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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1082071]I'm not going to try to pick any games yet because anything could happen with this team. They have enough talent to beat just about anybody but they also can blow any game due to their propensity to make egregious mistakes.

In the Houston game, the Redskins looked sickeningly like the 2013 team. I'm hoping to see a new, improved 2014 Redskins team soon but I'm not counting on it.

I tend to be optimistic about the Skins but they are going to have prove themselves to me this time around. I'm just sick and tired of losing games we could have won because we committed multiple turnovers. Before you ask me how I can be so negative after just one game, let me explain that I view the Houston loss as simply an extension of the poor play that cost us dearly in 2013. To me, this team is no better than the 2013 team until they can fix the problems that killed us last season.[/quote]

The defense appears to be better than last year...when coverages aren't being blown.

BTW that blown coverage appears to have been from DHall. He was on the wrong side of the field and didn't cover anyone on the play.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082088]I really don't see how you compare last year's team with last week's game. ([/quote]

Last week's game is directly comparable to last season. Does any of the following sound familiar?

2013 Game 1 Phil - After a poor kick return, Washington found themselves backed up in their own end, and [U]Griffin and Morris exchanged a poor option pitch[/U], and Morris fumbled in the end zone, forced to fall on it and giving Philadelphia a safety.

2014 - Turnover on botched handoff vs Houston hurts us in Red Zone.

2013 Game 4 Oakland - [U]Sav Rocca's punt was blocked[/U] by Raiders unning back Rashad Jennings [U]and recovered[/U] by fellow Raiders running back Jeremy Stewart in the end zone [U]for a Raiders touchdown[/U] [U]and a 7–0 lead.[/U]

2014 - Houston scores on blocked punt return to take 7-0 lead over Skins.

It couldn't get much more comparable than these examples.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1082105]Last week's game is directly comparable to last season. Does any of the following sound familiar?



2013 Game 1 Phil - After a poor kick return, Washington found themselves backed up in their own end, and [U]Griffin and Morris exchanged a poor option pitch[/U], and Morris fumbled in the end zone, forced to fall on it and giving Philadelphia a safety.



2014 - Turnover on botched handoff vs Houston hurts us in Red Zone.



2013 Game 4 Oakland - [U]Sav Rocca's punt was blocked[/U] by Raiders unning back Rashad Jennings [U]and recovered[/U] by fellow Raiders running back Jeremy Stewart in the end zone [U]for a Raiders touchdown[/U] [U]and a 7–0 lead.[/U]



2014 - Houston scores on blocked punt return to take 7-0 lead over Skins.



It couldn't get much more comparable than these examples.[/QUOTE]


I completely agree. Was Bad News Bears stuff last week. You could make a highlight reel with circus music voice over from almost each and every game we played last year and this. Lets not forget the tackle we made on our own player (Roberts) on the punt return. Thank God it was week one and at the moment there is a relatively small sample of football follies footage provided by the Redskins. The season is very young- still plenty o time to turn it around.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1082105]Last week's game is directly comparable to last season. Does any of the following sound familiar?

2013 Game 1 Phil - After a poor kick return, Washington found themselves backed up in their own end, and [U]Griffin and Morris exchanged a poor option pitch[/U], and Morris fumbled in the end zone, forced to fall on it and giving Philadelphia a safety.

2014 - Turnover on botched handoff vs Houston hurts us in Red Zone.

2013 Game 4 Oakland - [U]Sav Rocca's punt was blocked[/U] by Raiders unning back Rashad Jennings [U]and recovered[/U] by fellow Raiders running back Jeremy Stewart in the end zone [U]for a Raiders touchdown[/U] [U]and a 7–0 lead.[/U]

2014 - Houston scores on blocked punt return to take 7-0 lead over Skins.

It couldn't get much more comparable than these examples.[/quote]

meh, I could go to multiple teams that had fumbles, or blocked punts. But to look at those two singular comparisons and say this team= 2013 team is to ignore 58 minutes of other plays. As I said, last year's team couldn't/wouldn't tackle for anything. In one outing this season, the team showed more tackling savvy then all last year (and yes they still blew it on the 71yd TD). It's something a new coach can build on, and hopefully change.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1082105]Last week's game is directly comparable to last season. Does any of the following sound familiar?

2013 Game 1 Phil - After a poor kick return, Washington found themselves backed up in their own end, and [U]Griffin and Morris exchanged a poor option pitch[/U], and Morris fumbled in the end zone, forced to fall on it and giving Philadelphia a safety.

2014 - Turnover on botched handoff vs Houston hurts us in Red Zone.

2013 Game 4 Oakland - [U]Sav Rocca's punt was blocked[/U] by Raiders unning back Rashad Jennings [U]and recovered[/U] by fellow Raiders running back Jeremy Stewart in the end zone [U]for a Raiders touchdown[/U] [U]and a 7–0 lead.[/U]

2014 - [B]Houston scores on blocked punt return to take 7-0 lead over Skins.[/B]

It couldn't get much more comparable than these examples.[/quote]

It was 14-6 when that happened.

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Okay.. I'm sure the Jags will try to adapt what the Texans did on defense this week and I'm hoping they do. One thing we didn't do enough of against the Texans was run 7-9 yard hitches and comebacks. With PG and DJ, those routes should totally destroy defenses who want to play cushion against us because they are so effective after the catch.

I really feel like our offense is going to start coming together. Especially when RG3 takes off the training wheels for being a pocket QB and just starts balling again.

Also, the Jags run a 4-3? The stretch should be very effective, and bootlegs this week.

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It was 7-6 Texans when the punt was blocked. The TD made it 14-6.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082110]meh, I could go to multiple teams that had fumbles, or blocked punts. But to look at those two singular comparisons and say this team= 2013 team is to ignore 58 minutes of other plays. As I said, last year's team couldn't/wouldn't tackle for anything. In one outing this season, the team showed more tackling savvy then all last year (and yes they still blew it on the 71yd TD). It's something a new coach can build on, and hopefully change.[/quote]

The point is: Turnovers killed us. They always do. We are not good enough to overcome them. The number of turnovers must be reduced. The worst type of turnovers (punt blocks, Red Zone fumbles, etc.) must be virtually eliminated.

Turnovers don't just happen randomly to all teams. The Redskins can greatly reduce them. For example, as Niles Paul broke free, he could have wrapped both arms around the ball to ensure that we kept possession. His catch was at a critical point in the game when he needed to protect the ball. Fate didn't intervene; he just had a brain fart and ****ed up.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1082135]The point is: [B]Turnovers killed us. They always do. We are not good enough to overcome them. The number of turnovers must be reduced. The worst type of turnovers (punt blocks, Red Zone fumbles, etc.) must be virtually eliminated.
[/B]
Turnovers don't just happen randomly to all teams. The Redskins can greatly reduce them. For example, as Niles Paul broke free, he could have wrapped both arms around the ball to ensure that we kept possession. His catch was at a critical point in the game when he needed to protect the ball. Fate didn't intervene; he just had a brain fart and ****ed up.[/quote]

Preach bro. I hope Gruden is screaming the same thing this week.

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[quote=Lotus;1082134]It was 7-6 Texans when the punt was blocked. The TD made it 14-6.[/quote]

OK, you guys caught me on that detail. My point is don't have a brain fart and let your man block a punt - [B]ever[/B]. If a player who is making a good effort gets beat, I can accept that. It happens sometimes. But when a player gets beat because he is "out to lunch", as Gruden put it, that is unacceptable. That looked a lot like 2013 revisited to me.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1082137]OK, you guys caught me on that detail. My point is don't have a brain fart and let your man block a punt - [B]ever[/B]. If a player who is making a good effort gets beat, I can accept that. It happens sometimes. But when a player gets beat because he is "out to lunch", as Gruden put it, that is unacceptable. That looked a lot like 2013 revisited to me.[/quote]

Gruden said it may have been in some part attributable to Helu being a little winded since he was in some plays before the punt and said he is going to look into not having that happen.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1082135]The point is: Turnovers killed us. They always do. We are not good enough to overcome them. The number of turnovers must be reduced. The worst type of turnovers (punt blocks, Red Zone fumbles, etc.) must be virtually eliminated.

Turnovers don't just happen randomly to all teams. The Redskins can greatly reduce them. For example, as Niles Paul broke free, he could have wrapped both arms around the ball to ensure that we kept possession. His catch was at a critical point in the game when he needed to protect the ball. Fate didn't intervene; he just had a brain fart and ****ed up.[/quote]

Point is, it's the first game with a new head coach. The team as a whole did look better, but a lot of brain farts. So now we see what type of coach Gruden can be. How he handles them. Let's remember two facts:

A) Joe Gibbs 1 went 0-5 (thanks JR for reminding me of that)
B) Jim Zorn 1 (and only) went 6-2.

There will be growing pains, but right now, I put Gruden closer to Joe Gibbs then Jim Zorn.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082142]Point is, it's the first game with a new head coach. The team as a whole did look better, but a lot of brain farts. So now we see what type of coach Gruden can be. How he handles them. Let's remember two facts:

[B]A) Joe Gibbs 1 went 0-5[/B] (thanks JR for reminding me of that)
B) Jim Zorn 1 (and only) went 6-2.

There will be growing pains, but right now, I put Gruden closer to Joe Gibbs then Jim Zorn.[/quote]

Sunday's game reminded me of that a lot. In Gibbs' first five games, we beat people on the field but not on the scoreboard. The reason was stupid errors. It all was just like the Texans game, where we won the game on the field but not on the scoreboard.

Once Gibbs got the errors cleaned up, the rest was glorious history.

Let's see if Gruden can clean things up.

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I'd like us to go ahead and start Long at rg this weekend. I think it could be an improvement.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000392849/article/around-the-nfls-power-picks-week-2]Around The NFL's power picks: Week 2 - NFL.com[/url]

5 of 5 pick us over Jacksonville. I'm gonna say Washington, Dallas, and Philadelphia win this week. NY loses to Arizona.

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Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 42s
Gruden: TE J. Reed, DL K. Golston are doubtful for Sunday's game vs. Jaguars; CB T. Porter is out.

Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 6s
Gruden on home opener Sunday: "We need to try to strike fast and strike early, and try to get the home fans in it early."

Would you prefer a fast strike, or a long run based drive as the first possession?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082149]Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 42s
Gruden: TE J. Reed, DL K. Golston are doubtful for Sunday's game vs. Jaguars; CB T. Porter is out.

Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 6s
Gruden on home opener Sunday: "We need to try to strike fast and strike early, and try to get the home fans in it early."

Would you prefer a fast strike, or a long run based drive as the first possession?[/quote]

first kickoff or Punt to us, return for a Touchdown. symbolic special team score would get me off the couch

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Quick strike. A long return by Roberts, a long run by Morris, then a long TD pass off playaction to DeSean.

By the way, did you all hear Jason Hatcher's Houston sack was rescinded? I think it was Zac Boyer on Twitter who reported it first. I guess I don't know the rules for that kind of thing, but it's bullsh*t for Hatcher. So anyway, technically at least, our supposedly improved pass rush didn't get to the QB even once.

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I would prefer a long sustained drive.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082149]Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 42s
Gruden: TE J. Reed, DL K. Golston are doubtful for Sunday's game vs. Jaguars; CB T. Porter is out.

Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 6s
Gruden on home opener Sunday: "We need to try to strike fast and strike early, and try to get the home fans in it early."

Would you prefer a fast strike, or a long run based drive as the first possession?[/quote]

In my world, scoring on your first possession, no matter how it happens, is "to strike fast."

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I don't care how the first drive goes as long as it ends in 6.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1082144]I'd like us to go ahead and start Long at rg this weekend. I think it could be an improvement.[/QUOTE]


So would starting me, you, any of the six brady kids or the easter bunny.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1082155]I don't care how the first drive goes as long as it ends in 6.[/QUOTE]


Lets hope for 7 after last week actually.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1082149]Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 42s
Gruden: TE J. Reed, DL K. Golston are doubtful for Sunday's game vs. Jaguars; CB T. Porter is out.

Washington Redskins ‏@Redskins 6s
Gruden on home opener Sunday: "We need to try to strike fast and strike early, and try to get the home fans in it early."

Would you prefer a fast strike, or a long run based drive as the first possession?[/quote]

I would prefer Tracy Porter beaten with a stick.

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:rofl:[quote=punch it in;1082158]Lets hope for 7 after last week actually.[/quote]

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I just hope I don't wind up looking like Oscar the Grouch by the end of this game!

Oh my word...baby on the way and I'm already thinking about Sesame Street, lol!

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;1082204]I just hope I don't wind up looking like Oscar the Grouch by the end of this game!

Oh my word...baby on the way and I'm already thinking about Sesame Street, lol![/QUOTE]


Awesome. Congrats!

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[quote=Lotus;1082143]Sunday's game reminded me of that a lot. In Gibbs' first five games, we beat people on the field but not on the scoreboard. The reason was stupid errors. It all was just like the Texans game, where we won the game on the field but not on the scoreboard.

Once Gibbs got the errors cleaned up, the rest was glorious history.

Let's see if Gruden can clean things up.[/quote]

Gibbs was also trying to go with an "Air Coryell" type of offense at first. Once he discovered that The Redskins could dominate by using the run game with Riggo and The Hogs, things turned around.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1082206]Gibbs was also trying to go with an "Air Coryell" type of offense at first. Once he discovered that The Redskins could dominate by using the run game with Riggo and The Hogs, things turned around.[/quote]

I remember I went to the SF game in 1981, Gibbs first year. Theismann was throwing the ball like every play and the fans were just relentlessly booing the hell out of everyone. Several fans had bags over their heads. lol.

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I think we are going to lose pretty handily. The Jags are better on offense with competent qb play, and their D is up and coming. We are still a work in progress. Will be so happy to be wrong if that's not the case.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1082226]I remember I went to the SF game in 1981, Gibbs first year. Theismann was throwing the ball like every play and the fans were just relentlessly booing the hell out of everyone. Several fans had bags over their heads. lol.[/quote]

That's the kind of offense JKC wanted, to put fans in the seats and make the game exciting. Snyder says now he wants a certain type of offense, and he'd get blasted for it. But I digress...

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1082228]That's the kind of offense JKC wanted, to put fans in the seats and make the game exciting. Snyder says now he wants a certain type of offense, and he'd get blasted for it. But I digress...[/QUOTE]


True, but Snyder has bought that on himself

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[quote=punch it in;1082265]True, but Snyder has bought that on himself[/quote]

Wish he'd buy something on me...

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[QUOTE=Meks;1082271]Wish he'd buy something on me...[/QUOTE]


Lol. Brought. I was just teaching my 7 year old the difference the other day too. In reference to DS bought might be a better choice though.

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Ok, now what was the point of us signing Tracy Porter again???

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1082289]Ok, now what was the point of us signing Tracy Porter again???[/quote]

I know a lot of people were skeptical about that signing in the first place. Looks like they were right.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1082294]I know a lot of people were skeptical about that signing in the first place. Looks like they were right.[/quote]

Yeah, F&*k that guy man. Breeland already passed him, Biggers is past him. That was a waste of 3 million that could have gone elsewhere.

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Ok with Cofield out we are gonna see some Baker at NT, is it just me or is he not better suited for that anyways??? I always thought that

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1082296]Ok with Cofield out we are gonna see some Baker at NT, is it just me or is he not better suited for that anyways??? I always thought that[/quote]

I agree...Baker always looked like a good NT....stocky, low center of gravity, good quickness.

That news also means we see more Jenkins & Geathers as well at DE.

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[quote=punch it in;1082157]So would starting me, you, any of the six brady kids or the easter bunny.[/quote]

It doesn't matter who starts at RT as long as 10 keeps reacting late, keeps back pedaling and keeps rolling right. Polumbus may not be all world, but his QB doesn't do him any favors.