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[quote=over the mountain;1085310]i thought i heard chris russell say "hatcher is definitely out" this morning.

hope i heard wrong, i dont mean to start false rumors ... hatcher says he thinks it was more of a cramp than strain ...

lauvau's knee injury seems concerning

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/09/21/injuries-mount-for-redskins-in-loss-to-eagles/]Injuries mount for Redskins in loss to Eagles[/url]

above is a pretty good breakdown on injuries[/quote]

Gruden listed everyone as day to day, with the exception of hall and nacho being put on IR

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/11222/redskins-list-17-on-injury-report]Washington Redskins list 17 on injury report - ESPN[/url]

:doh:

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I think Thursday against the Giants with 11 days till Seattle is a great thing. Granted Thursday night will be a huge grind for the players but even with all the injuries we are home favorites (just 3 points, so basically not much) and I think we will win (28 -21).

The semi bye week comes at a good time.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1085256]I love the optimism, but aren't we playing the team that just beat Houston, the very team we lost to in the season opener a short 2 weeks ago?[/quote]

Arian Foster didn't play in that game.

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Redskins 31
Giants 14

Kirk Cousins 24/32 313 yards 2 TDs
Alfred Morris 24 carries 131 yards 2TDs
Pierre Garcon 7 catches 106 yards 1 TD
DeSean Jackson 6 catches 114 yards 1 TD

Defense gets 5 sacks and forces 3 turnovers

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1085411]Redskins 31
Giants 14

Kirk Cousins 24/32 313 yards 2 TDs
Alfred Morris 24 carries 131 yards 2TDs
Pierre Garcon 7 catches 106 yards 1 TD
DeSean Jackson 6 catches 114 yards 1 TD

Defense gets 5 sacks and forces 3 turnovers[/quote]

Don't bogart that joint, my friend. Pass it over to me.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1085456]Don't bogart that joint, my friend. Pass it over to me.[/quote]

No joint here, I don't think Rashard Jennings is going for 176 yards against us, and I think our offense can move the ball against the Giants but sorry if I dont pick a 3 point loss every week.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1085493]No joint here, I don't think Rashard Jennings is going for 176 yards against us, and I think our offense can move the ball against the Giants but sorry if I dont pick a 3 point loss every week.[/quote]

On the other hand, if you're anywhere near right on the numbers we'll all be celebrating - even the nattering nabobs of negativity.

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Gotta find a way to be 3-3 through 6 games. I said that going into last week; and maintain it. If we can be 3-3 through 6 games we'll have a shot. Schedule is much more manageable after Arizona, but at 2-4 or 1-5 it could get ugly quick.

MUST win vs Giants.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1085518]On the other hand, if you're anywhere near right on the numbers we'll all be celebrating - [B]even the nattering nabobs of negativity.[/B][/quote]

Nah, instead they'll be complaining about how it was one game and we shouldn't be taking them seriously until they do it consistently.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014092107/2014/REG3/texans@giants#menu=gamepass%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000398576&tab=recap]Watch Houston Texans vs. New York Giants [09/21/2014] - NFL.com[/url]

link to giants video highlights of their win against the Texans. all the highlighted runs by jennings are clear paths right up the middle. also looked like the game was kinda testy, hard hitting for the giants.

this game worries me - we are limping into it with injuries on defense and i could see the giants giving us a steady dose of run plays. jennings looks decent (on a highlight reel).

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[quote=over the mountain;1085525][url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014092107/2014/REG3/texans@giants#menu=gamepass%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000398576&tab=recap]Watch Houston Texans vs. New York Giants [09/21/2014] - NFL.com[/url]

link to giants video highlights of their win against the Texans. all the highlighted runs by jennings are clear paths right up the middle. also looked like the game was kinda testy, hard hitting for the giants.

this game worries me - we are limping into it with injuries on defense and i could see the giants giving us a steady dose of run plays. jennings looks decent (on a highlight reel).[/quote]

We've played well against the run and our secondary is depleted, so why would they feature more running plays against us? Although it doesn't seem likely to me, I hope they do run a lot so we can stuff them.

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Cortana picks the 'Skins this week....

I'm going with her...she's 3 for 3 on 'Skins picks this year

edit: updated to the week #4 link

[U][url=http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-cortana-nfl-picks-week-4-2014-9]Microsoft Cortana NFL Picks, Week 4 - Business Insider[/url][/U]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1085554]We've played well against the run and our secondary is depleted, so why would they feature more running plays against us? Although it doesn't seem likely to me, I hope they do run a lot so we can stuff them.[/quote]

Yeah, although he had a good game last week IMO we should not be afraid of Jennings. Feed him all day long, please.

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[quote=mooby;1085524]Nah, instead they'll be complaining about how it was one game and we shouldn't be taking them seriously until they do it consistently.[/quote]

Sounds reasonable to me.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1085518]On the other hand, if you're anywhere near right on the numbers we'll all be celebrating - even the nattering nabobs of negativity.[/quote]

Wow, a Spiro Agnew flashback! Nice.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1085607]Wow, a Spiro Agnew flashback! Nice.[/quote]

It just popped into my effete, impudent, snobby little brain.

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If you look at the Giants' offensive productivity, it has steadily increased each game in terms of yards; roughly from 200 to 350 to over 400. And the last two games have been against strong defenses in Arizona and Houston. I'm worried they're starting to fall into a groove. And with our injuries on the defensive side of the ball... this game scares me.

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[quote=Coff;1085630]If you look at the Giants' offensive productivity, it has steadily increased each game in terms of yards; roughly from 200 to 350 to over 400. And the last two games have been against strong defenses in Arizona and Houston. I'm worried they're starting to fall into a groove. And with our injuries on the defensive side of the ball... [B]this game scares me[/B].[/quote]

It's true that our defense which wasn't good against the pass to begin with is beat to a pulp. So I expect that Haslett is going to be feverishly twisting the dials trying to create some turnovers.

On the bright side, if we need to outscore them we now have the offensive weapons to win a shootout.

Bottom line, the Giants are no better than we are. I think we can beat them tomorrow night.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/photo-gallery/Redskins-Giants-Through-The-Years/1c656311-a842-4499-a675-7cf3109c8e51#start]Redskins-Giants Through The Years[/url]

January of 87 still pisses me off.

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Redskins LG Shawn Lauvao (knee) is doubtful for Thursday's game against the Giants.

Lauvao has been dealing with right-knee issues for each of the past two weeks. Josh LeRibeus will fill in against the Giants if Lauvao can't go.

per rotoworld

Grimace making his first start, can he turn his career around?

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Actually thought he played well when he came in last game. Biggest thing is we cannot let Eli go off. For some reason I feel like he just absolutely owns us.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1085554]We've played well against the run and our secondary is depleted, so why would they feature more running plays against us? Although it doesn't seem likely to me, I hope they do run a lot so we can stuff them.[/quote]

thats a good point, a scary point but good point. i see our D being vulnerable tomorrow. hopefully hatcher plays, he could be a world of difference.

37-34 giants

unless cousins and the offense is lights out, i just dont see our D holding up their end of the bargain.

even though it is a short week, film is being generated on cousins and gruden's scheme and the giants corners are pretty good.

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[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0102/nfl_a_eli-manning_mb_600x600.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/11725975-large.jpg[/IMG]

wasnt it the giants game last year when the refs signaled 1st down on a last min drive for us but then after the next play (incomplete pass), change it back to 4th down?

still cant believe that happened and the head ref said he noticed it but didnt want to correct it bc it would be like a time out for the skins .. who the eff was that ref? eff him was that triplett?

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I said 28-21 earlier, but this is another game I think we come out and play like the Jax game. Giants have been diminishing the past years, and I would not be surprised if we make up for the Monday night debacle that sealed my son as a Giants fan :(

At least I hope we do.

44-10 NO special teams gaffes.

Thats my bold koolaid laden prediction.

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Got a feeling Fed Ex and Skins is gonna be in a no flex zone.

Skins 48 Giantones 3

*Eli out for the rest of the year which could only be described medically as "pussy hurt"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1085662]I said 28-21 earlier, but this is another game I think we come out and play like the Jax game. Giants have been diminishing the past years, and I would not be surprised if we make up for the Monday night debacle that sealed my son as a Giants fan :(

At least I hope we do.

44-10 NO special teams gaffes.

Thats my bold koolaid laden prediction.[/quote]

And people said I was crazy for my 31-14 prediction.

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I haven't been this nervous for a game in a while.
If we win, we have a chance of having a respectable season and making progress as a team to build on.
If we lose, we will have a season over analyzing every aspect of the team and why such a talented roster just can't win.

It seems like the Redskins play to not make mistakes while the good teams play to make big plays.

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[quote=Chico23231;1085664]Got a feeling Fed Ex and Skins is gonna be in a no flex zone.

Skins 48 Giantones 3

*Eli out for the rest of the year which could only be described medically as "pussy hurt"[/quote]

Man. And I thought that I was drinking koolaid. :)

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Here is my prediction/prayer to the football gods:

Cousins' stellar performance continues, and he frustrates the Giants, who just can't get to him in time.

The Giants are forced to abandon their game plan of repeating last weeks success on the ground, Jennings hits a wall early, and the redskins early lead forces Manning to try to win it through the air.

Giants start to come back early, but the Redskins refuse a repeat of the Eagles game. Hatcher get's to Manning forcing a fumble or tipping the ball up, Kerrigan grabs the loose ball. D scores a TD to widen the gap.

Morris finishes out strong, breaks 100 yards rushing.

Redskins: 34
Giants: 20

HTTR, Amen

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EAST RUTHERFORD -- This week's look at the defense examines some of the good and bad that has been put on the field by the Giants early this season.

After three weeks, the numbers aren't that impressive. The Giants are ranked 22nd in total defense, 22nd in pass defense and 14th against the run.

Some of the problems (including big plays) are addressed in this week's observations. Some of the strengths (cornerbacks), too.

It's a long season though, and we haven't even reached the quarter pole. The numbers should even out and, when all is said and done, it wouldn't at all be surprising to see the Giants with a Top 10 defense for the second straight year.

Some of the main reasons are discussed in the first and second of this week's observations.

1. Man Up
The last time Redskins coach Jay Gruden went against the Giants was 2012 when he was offensive coordinator in Cincinnati. His Bengals offense torched the Big Blue defense that day in a 31-13 victory where second-year quarterback Andy Dalton threw four touchdown passes and no interceptions.

A lot has changed for the Giants since, including a good chunk of the names. Most notable for Gruden is the approach defensive coordinator Perry Fewell is taking with his secondary. In Gruden's eyes, they are playing a lot more man coverage than they did in the past.

"I think so," Gruden said Tuesday morning during a conference call with Giants reporters. "That is just my impression of just watching them for the last 23 hours. I would say my impression coming in playing the Giants from playing them a couple years ago and studying them now, I think it is totally different."

It's an interesting comment considering Fewell and the Giants were criticized after the opener for playing too much zone. It could have been that Detroit just exploited the zone in the handful of opportunities they had. Or maybe a lot more man coverage is all relative.

Fewell insists the Giants still play plenty of zone coverage, although he wasn't very willing to put an accurate number on it.

'"I won't comment on that. We are doing a little bit of both. I think it is 50/50. I'll give you a 50/50 answer on that one," he said with a smile and laugh. "I won't answer that for an exact number because I will be helping [Gruden] out. I think we have man-cover guys and we try to take advantage of that. We also can play zones because it gives you vision. We like to do a little bit of both."

The reason Fewell gave for still playing a good chunk of zone was that if they went exclusively to man-coverage, it would make life too easy for opposing coaches. They would be able to call pick plays and rubs to free up receivers on a regular basis if the Giants still didn't mix it up like they are currently doing.

2. Dominant Corners
The reason the Giants have gone to more man coverage is the strength of their cornerbacks. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Prince Amukamara have both played well, aside from Rodgers-Cromartie excusable struggles with Detroit's Calvin Johnson in the opener.

Their play changes the game, and makes life especially difficult for opposing coaches.

"Their corners are so good they can play a lot of man and bring safeties down in the box and get an extra guy down there," Gruden said. "If you want to throw the ball, they have two very good corners that are playing extremely well."

How well? Pro Football Focus has Rodgers-Cromartie ranked as their fourth-best cornerback through four games and Amukamara 17th. Atlanta, Denver and San Diego are the only other teams with a pair of cornerbacks among the Top 20.

[url=http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/09/giants_weekly_defensive_observations_include_jay_gruden_noticing_more_man_instead_of_zone_coverage.html]Giants: Weekly defensive observations include Jay Gruden noticing more man instead of zone coverage | NJ.com[/url]

above is a solid write up from the Giants perspective. I only posted half the article bc i didnt want to take up a whole page but i recommend the read.

Apparently they give up big passing plays and are pulling starting FS Brown but havent said who they are replacing him with.

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If they're playing man, let them try to cover Garcon and DJax one-on-one. They will get open, and if not, Roberts can torch them. I think our receivers (and I'd have to include Paul here too now) have become a real strength, and you cannot assumg that man coverage will work with them.

But I imagine that Fewell will realize this. I expect a lot of zone with man on occasion. Especially if they think that Gruden is expecting man coverage.

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We're going to give up 28 minimum. H/e offense does just enough.

31-28 skins

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EAST RUTHERFORD -- When free safety Stevie Brown allowed Texans speedster Damaris Johnson to slip behind him in Sunday's Giants victory, he also may have lost his grip on the starting job. It was the final defensive snap Brown saw in the contest, and may be the last time he's viewed as the starter at that position this year.

Quintin Demps appears set to start for the Giants opposite Antrel Rolle on Thursday night in Washington after taking snaps with the first team during practice. Rookie Nat Berhe finished the game against Houston at free safety and is the Giants' other option, even if coach Tom Coughlin said Brown remains in the safety mix.

..........

The veteran is stepping into a difficult spot. He'll have to keep a close eye on speedy Redskins wide receiver DeSean Jackson. It's a player Demps knows well. Jackson was his road roommate during his first two years in the league with Philadelphia.

"It's obvious. You have to keep the deep ball off you," Demps said. "Everybody in the league knows DeSean is going deep. Everybody knows that."

For that reason, Demps might be playing in Virginia when the ball is snapped from Maryland. His No. 1 job on Thursday night will be making sure none of the Redskins receivers -- particularly Jackson -- get behind him.

"Absolutely. Keep everything in front of you," Demps said. "Deep is the deepest. ... You have to play a little bit deeper with that dude. Four [steps back]. Four. It's DeSean Jackson now. All he does is run. Fast."

Even though Jackson is banged up, the Giants have made sure to plan for him on Thursday night.

"We make a special adjustment [for Jackson]," Fewell said. "You can announce that one. We'll keep our safeties a little bit deeper for that guy."

One of those safeties is expected to be Demps.


[url=http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/09/giants_quintin_demps_appears_set_to_start_at_free_safety.html#incart_story_package]Giants: Quintin Demps appears set to start at free safety | NJ.com[/url]

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the redskins beat the jags 41 - 10 which is a 31 point victory . . . ny beat the jags 34 -17 (without arian foster) for a 17 point victory . . . so the Skins win by at least 14 . . . my prediction:

Skins 34
Gints 19

lol . . . its all about the math

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1085712]the redskins beat the jags 41 - 10 which is a 31 point victory . . . ny beat the jags 34 -17 (without arian foster) for a 17 point victory . . . so the Skins win by at least 14 . . . my prediction:

Skins 34
Gints 19

lol . . . its all about the math[/quote]

Unless you've time traveled forward to Nov. 30, the Giants haven't played the Jags yet. They beat Houston, the team that beat us in week 1.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1085712]the redskins beat the jags 41 - 10 which is a 31 point victory . . . ny beat the jags 34 -17 (without arian foster) for a 17 point victory . . . so the Skins win by at least 14 . . . my prediction:

Skins 34
Gints 19

lol . . . its all about the math[/quote]


LOL , knowing the schedule might help .

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The defense should have every Redskins fan worried. Can only hope that short week and home field advantage leads to communication problems which allows front seven to get to Eli, otherwise it is going to be a long night. I am diehard Skins fan, and like the other poster, who mentioned the Jan 1987 playoff lose against the G-men, still remember those games. It is a huge game, if I were a betting man, I'd bet on the Giants, typically the Redskins have not won these 'must win games' the only exception being that glorious 7 game stretch in 2012.

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Break the curse: Skins 35, Giants 10.
Keep on truckin' with absolute shit play in prime-time: Giants 27, Redskins 24. Skins tie the game with 1:00 minute left, give up big return on kickoff, defense stands tough at 50 yard line, 4th and 13, Eli RUNS for the first down, time out, FG as time expires (which will be longest of their kicker's career). Andre Ellington career high rushing yards (since he's a rookie who hasn't done much yet).

That's the cynical me.

Optimistic me says and believes we crush them tomorrow night. We remind them they're the new doormat of the NFCE. :D

[IMG]http://memecrunch.com/meme/SXK1/prediction-for-tonight-s-game/image.png[/IMG]

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Did the 'skins announce the last addition to the roster today?


Thanks.