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I would mind it salary-cap wise.

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You know what I would like to see? Ramsey having a season where 1) defenders 2) Brunell or 3) a rookie quarterback are not breathing down his neck and see how he reacts.

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FRPLG:

Cooley needs to become twice as good as a blocker as he showed last year. He was marginal in that phase of the game at best. If I were being unkind, I'd say he was pretty miserable in his contributions to the running game.

For some reason - maybe it's Cooley not continuing to work on his routes or maybe it's Ramsey/Brunell not having a good rapport with Cooley - he was either the first option on a route or he never got the ball. A tight end has to be one of those "workers" who sometimes gets the ball - and often a first down - when a play designed for others breaks down. I didn't see Cooley in that role much - if at all - last year.

I suspect Cooley can improve in both areas, but IF he can't or won't, then the Redskins need another TE.

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It's good to know that the draft is only a couple days away. Can we get a timer countdown going on the homepage? Oh, I forgot Matty 'Jones' is on his honeymoon. :oink:

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I agree but Campbell is not liked around here i would rather see him go somewhere he would be liked wouldnt be fare to him god forbid he performs like PR has the last few years. can you name any other QB giving more of a chance i mean sheesh you cant win the starting job in camp? let's be realistic either you got it or you dont. the more i think about it the more Ramsey reminds me of Gus Ferrotte. sorry fellas but i am being real.

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Regarding Cooley. He doesn't seem to play as tall or as big as he's listed. He has a lot of finesse. :oink:

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These people are only human. I don't know how I WOULD react if I was granted the starting nod only to be replaced by Brunell (which we all knew was coming anyway) in camp. These people aren't made of stone psychologically and it can't be good for the confidence of Ramsey to basically have a figurative "one last shot" to get it done this year.

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No doubt. With our constant inconsistant line play maybe a qb that is mobile can help. I like P. Ramsey, his heart is unbelievable. But I do not feel he is the qb that can get us to a championship. Campbell would bring a weapon we haven't had in a very very long time.

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I think Ramsey is better than Campbell in every aspect of the game except for his mobility. AND we're forgetting the most important thing that Ramsey HAS played in the NFL. #25 pick on a QB when we really don't need one.

Jeez, this has really gotten out of hand.

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[QUOTE=skin4Life28]No doubt. ...maybe a qb that is mobile can help. I like P. Ramsey, his heart is unbelievable. But I do not feel he is the qb that can get us to a championship. Campbell would bring a weapon we haven't had in a very very long time.[/QUOTE]

Do I hear a violin playing? :oink:

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If Campbell were the player that some of us seems to think he is, wouldn't he be highly coveted by any team needing a QB?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]...Jeez, this has really gotten out of hand.[/QUOTE]

TMC. Hey I was about to raise the question if Doug Williams would allow Campbell to wear #17. :oink:

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In reference to Gibbs' visit to Auburn, it's possible he was visiting Rogers.

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You know what I would like to see? Ramsey having a season where 1) defenders 2) Brunell or 3) a rookie quarterback are not breathing down his neck and see how he reacts.
malcom connection

this is the nfl everyone has a qb who hs not proven himself will face competition.

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SC:
While I agree with most of your intial post the reponse about Cooley is puzzling. He doesn't play TE first off so we can throw away your pre-conceived notions there since they don't apply.
So based on what a HB is supposed to do I can aggree with you on his blocking. I don't remember him being much of a force at all. But as for his route running and receiving abilities he was clearly a productive receiver. On many of his receptions, including most of his TDs, he was the first option. I think that says something right there. The coaches considered him a matchup problem for opposing teams often. Secondly, as to his "worker" capabilities, I think it would be safe to say there very rarely was there much of a chance for a first option to "work" his way open last year. I think in general on most of the plays the first option either got the ball or the play was dead. As for his contribution on first down you have to go back to his blocking. He didn't play as much on 1st down as one would hope since 1st down was a running down for the Skins. I think he definitly needs work on his blocking and everyone can always improve in all facets of their game but I think you are giving him much less credit than he deserves.

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I'll say this...

I bet all this talk has SKINZ_DOMIN8 with the biggest erection ever.

LOL

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well as long as we get a good CB then the other pick i can live with. i think we are gonna trade down to the second round with number 25 maybe package gardner and 25 for a 3rd and 2nd round pick.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]well as long as we get a good CB then the other pick i can live with. i think we are gonna trade down to the second round with number 25 maybe package gardner and 25 for a 3rd and 2nd round pick.[/QUOTE]
That's an interesting thought...

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]These people are only human. I don't know how I WOULD react if I was granted the starting nod only to be replaced by Brunell (which we all knew was coming anyway) in camp. These people aren't made of stone psychologically and it can't be good for the confidence of Ramsey to basically have a figurative "one last shot" to get it done this year.[/QUOTE]Yes I would have to agree that we all knew it was coming, but Ramsey did nothing in preseason last year to show he deserved the starting job. After preseason last year it was like pick who did not play the worst and not who played the best. Ramsey is getting somewhat of a second chance to prove he can play in the NFL and if he does not show improvement this year we have no choice but to look in another direction for a QB.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]well as long as we get a good CB then the other pick i can live with. i think we are gonna trade down to the second round with number 25 maybe package gardner and 25 for a 3rd and 2nd round pick.[/QUOTE]

NOW some sensible talk... :)

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malcolm what if we picked Campbell in teh second round would you agree with that?

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I would be OK with that. I just think it's a HUGE waste of a #1 pick on a position we don't need. Again, I'd be OK with that. I wouldn't like the strain (possible) it would put on Ramsey, but I also like the possibility of having a half-way decent backup.

Also, to whoever said Hasselbeck would be gone this year, he signed his deal, so he's back. Just an FYI.

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Well we could also get a good wideout in the 2nd round and the 3rd round get an o-lineman i want o-line dominance. our WR's we can live with with o-line dominance. but i wouldnt pick another linemen in the first round ever again. unless you just deperate at o-line like we were for a minute.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]...Ramsey did nothing in preseason last year to show he deserved the starting job. After preseason last year it was like pick who did not play the worst and not who played the best. Ramsey is getting somewhat of a second chance to prove he can play in the NFL and if he does not show improvement this year we have no choice but to look in another direction for a QB.[/QUOTE]

And given the chance to workout in the recent voluntary workout... :oink:

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have you guys heard the rumor that the skins want to trade the 25 pick to the bills (who do not own a first round pick ) for their cb nate clements ? use the 9 pick to get a wr. or trade out of 9 to a later pick but still use it on a wr.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]Well we could also get a good wideout in the 2nd round and the 3rd round get an o-lineman i want o-line dominance. our WR's we can live with with o-line dominance. but i wouldnt pick another linemen in the first round ever again. unless you just deperate at o-line like we were for a minute.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion, I don't think any second round prospects will make the team much better. If we draft a WR it has to be Mike Williams or Matt Jones unless we trade up to get Braylon Edwards. :oink:

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Matt Jones is going very early watch what happens on draft day.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]Matt Jones is going very early watch what happens on draft day.[/QUOTE]I don't know if he will go early first round but I think he will go late first or early second. I have a good feeling about this guy. Its not one of the I look at all his stats good feeling. Its one of he is a gifted athlete and will be a performer if you can just let him play his natural position which seems to be t. A team will take a risk with this guy and will receive a hudge dividen for.

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Are we to believe that Gibbs traded away next years #1 for a mediocre QB? especially when the QB pool next year is much more talented than this one. If Smith and Rogers were in last years draft they probably wouldn't have been drafted until the second rd. neither 1 of them are better than the top 5 last year, [Is it me or does A.Smith look like the second coming of Heath Shuler?] I will tell you this the QB situation in this draft is the same as when Shuler and Dilfer were coming out, and neither ever panned out, and these 2 will probably never do anything significant in the NFL, and Campbell is rated behind them, amazing! No one had Campbell going in the first rd and now that we make a trade for another 1st rd pick all of a sudden he's 1st rd material?

Everyone say's Gibbs doesn't like young QB's, so we pass up on franchise type QB's last season to draft a mediocre QB this year, and we give up a #1 next season when there will be better QB's avail. to overpay for Campbell this season, this kid is not a great college QB, he is not a phenomenal
athlete, and is probably 3 years away from seeing the field, and we are to believe that Gibbs is going to take on a project like Campbell when in all liklyhood he's done after his 5 year's are up.

It sounds like to me that the media is saying just about anything to create a story, every rumor started is because they saw a player at redskin park or a player we visited as if we haven't visited a multiple of players, my thought is their getting nothing from management and aren't to happy with that so they are needling management with falsehoods and rumor after rumor like they did a few day's ago with Vinny.

There are scouts who believe Campbell was a product of superior talent this season, and thats the reason his stats increased so much this year from his previous years.

If Gibbs draft's this kid with the #25 it will prove he knows nothing when it comes to judging unproven talent, which would explain why he's so in love with free agency, it's much easier to evaluate established talent you just have to pay more for it, I am probably getting ahead of myself here but I was saying the same thing last year when he was targeting Brunell and we all know how that worked out!

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anyone have espn insider they have an article about the redskins making a draft day deal i am not a mmember of their club i want to know what they are saying the link is on the homepage of espn.

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[QUOTE=offiss]...There are scouts who believe Campbell was a product of superior talent this season, and thats the reason his stats increased so much this year from his previous years. If Gibbs draft's this kid with the #25 it will prove he knows nothing when it comes to judging unproven talent...[/QUOTE]

Aren't most QBs drafted high in the first round products of teams with superior talent around them? That's like Carson Palmer quarterbacking for the University of the District of Columbia. Go firebirds! :oink:

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]anyone have espn insider they have an article about the redskins making a draft day deal i am not a mmember of their club i want to know what they are saying the link is on the homepage of espn.[/QUOTE]

I've posted the draft rumors from the past few days on the ESPN Insider Draft Rumor thread. It's not as earth-shattering as it seems from the title. They just basically said that the skins have contacted the top 4 teams about moving up to, presumably, draft Braylon.

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ohh okay cool

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[QUOTE=BossHog]Aren't most QBs drafted high in the first round products of teams with superior talent around them? That's like Carson Palmer quarterbacking for the University of the District of Columbia. Go firebirds! :oink:[/QUOTE]


Troy Aikmen, John Elway, and plenty of others who weren't surrounded by great talent.

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Just a few thoughts in response to some of the posts on here, and then I have to stop talking about the rediculous "possibility" that we are going to draft Campbell with #25 because it's giving me headache.
I agree that Campbell could be a good backup QB to Ramsey in case of injury, but I don't think the skins are in a position to spend a first rounder on a backup QB. Too many other needs.
I agree that Campbell offers nothing over Ramsey except his mobility.
I'd bet money that Gibbs was at Auburn for Rogers and is simply using the visit now to make a nice big Campbell smokescreen.
The Skins signed Brunell long before Gibbs had a chance to see what Ramsey could do in person. After giving Brunell that contract, they had to make him the starter last year. It's not like Gibbs worked with Ramsey, had him as his QB for a little while, and THEN decided to go out and sign Brunell.
The Skins would be foolish to pass up the talent available at WR and CB in this draft on a second-rate QB.
I agree that this year's QB class is weak at best, and there is no way the skins blew their 2006 draft just to take someone who is only the caliber of Campbell. They're either packaging to move up, making a play for a veteran, or going WR/CB or CB/WR in round 1.

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well whats wrong with ramsey? everyone says he doesnt produce cause he hasnt had the right talent around him, if those qbs did it without great talent around them then maybe we do need antoher qb?

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I disagree that this a weak QB class. It is not strong, but it is not weak either.
I think Jason Campbell and Adrian McPherson will have more upside than Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers, who will be drafted in the top 5.
Campbell and McPherson are legit athletes...I hear McPhereson can throw a 75 yard ball flat footed,has great speed, size and light up theArena League.
I think some of you guys are short changing what Campbell did in college. He played in the SEC, was on a champions hip contender and had a different offensive coordinator and system all of his four years at Auburn.

Just like Roethlisberger outplayed Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers last year, I think McPherson and Cambell will do better than the Qb's drafted ahead of them.

Regarding Ramsey, if he can not take the pressure of having a rookie QB on the roster in his fourth year, there is no way he will stand up to the pressure of being an NFL QB.
It looks bad when I hear folks saying it would put too much pressure on him. Is he man or a mouse?

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Let's assume that the Campbell thing IS a smokescreen (I do assume this, BTW). What follows? WHy do this?

This has the effect of raising Campbell's stock, and of distracting people from what we really want, viz., CBs, WRs, DEs. It also makes Pastabelly look bad. All this seems a-ok with me. If it convinces someone in front of us to jump at Campbell, great. That's one less team taking a CB, WR, etc. in front of us. But this seems a rather elaborate smokescreen, plus it rattles Ramsey's cage. Reports from the Post and ESPN (neither friends of the skins at present) both had Gibbs at Auburn working out Campbell. Gibbs didn't deny this. So maybe it's just a deal of rating players and considering what might be there at 25. We'll see.

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I have no doubt that Campbell and McPherson will be good. They are the two best athlets at the qb position. Finally someone brought up the SEC, hands down the best football conference in the past years. Feel free to argue all you want bout that, but its true. Campbell has handled himself so well this year that he should be a first rounder. McPherson is carrying some very heavy baggage, but I was a gm I think I would take a shot on him. Saturday will answer all of our rants and questions. But if we do draft Campbell it would be completly unfair to him to not want him here. Aka Philly when they got McNabb. Now he is one the most beloved qbs.

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I say let's worry about it after the Redskins make their selections this weekend. Too many people are getting their panties in a wad before we have even made a move.