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[quote=Gary84Clark;1088563]When the team plays better RG3 wont have to sacrifice his body. The Redskins always start off dead until RG3 starts his athleticism.[/quote]

Actually on the play when he got hurt, all he had to do was throw the ball early when Jackson broke open. If he had done that then there was no reason be a hero.

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I think the argument about the Seattle team being well rounded and highly competitive as a reason for Wilson being elite is valid. Wilson's development was aided not hindered and thus helping him develop the confidence and leadership skills that have vaulted him into his position. If he was here he wouldn't have had the success he has had in Seattle but I also have no doubt that if we had the Wilson of last year and this year we are a middle of the road team instead of on pace for the same 3-13 record as last year.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1088592]I think the argument about the Seattle team being well rounded and highly competitive as a reason for Wilson being elite is valid. Wilson's development was aided not hindered and thus helping him develop the confidence and leadership skills that have vaulted him into his position. If he was here he wouldn't have had the success he has had in Seattle but I also have no doubt that if we had the Wilson of last year and this year we are a middle of the road team instead of on pace for the same 3-13 record as last year.[/quote]

Yeah dont know about that, if anything the Seattle offense is the one that benefited from Wilson's confidence and leadership. Go back to Wilson college career, his leadership and confidence been there-it was defining factor of why he went as high as he did in the draft.

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With Russell Wilson, [I]a star is born[/I], though he won't stay [I]young forever[/I]. If Griffin could stay healthy, he could [I]run this town[/I]. People may [I]hate[/I], but what both RG3 and RW have in common is that they are [I]so ambitious[/I]. I mean, you probably don't need the [I]reminder[/I], but back in 2012 we were saying [I]a star is born[/I]. But now we're [I]off that[/I] and [I]onto the next one[/I]

[I]What we talkin' about[/I] We talking about Russell Wilson The Blueprint (jersey #) 3

[I]thank you[/I]

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Nas > Jay Z

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[quote=NC_Skins;1088559]Not sure anybody is arguing against that. There biggest issues they face are with the salary cap in the next couple of years. They have to pay Russell and Okung big time money so it'll be interesting to see. If they draft well, they'll continue the dominance, if not, they'll taper off.

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/yearly/]Seattle Seahawks Salary Caps by Year[/url][/quote]Thanks for the great link, NCSkins, like looking at our team. [url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/]Washington Redskins Player Contracts, Salaries, & Transactions[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1088595]Yeah dont know about that, if anything the Seattle offense is the one that benefited from Wilson's confidence and leadership. Go back to Wilson college career, his leadership and confidence been there-it was defining factor of why he went as high as he did in the draft.[/quote]

Seattle's offense has benefited from Wilson's good decision making and his ability to take care of the ball. However, up until last year I would say, he wasn't asked to do a lot, which helped in these aspects. This year, I see Wilson doing more, especially in games when Lynch has been taken out of the equation. Still, it helps him tremendously to have that defense that gives Seattle the luxury of rarely playing from behind.

Wilson is a very good QB and there have been examples in the past of young QBs who have not taken advantages of having an elite defense and good running game. The Jets were successful with Sanchez in his first year or so, because that Jets didn't ask him to do much. But when it came for him to do something, he wasn't able to. As we can clearly see, this is not the case with Wilson. He still has the advantage of an elite defense and running game, but he's showing that when needed, he can take matters into his own hands with his running and passing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088591]Actually on the play when he got hurt, all he had to do was throw the ball early when Jackson broke open. If he had done that then there was no reason be a hero.[/quote]This is the big difference between the relative development of Cousins and Griffin. Cousins anticipates a receiver breaking open, and throws to a spot. Griffin often holds the ball too long, even when a receiver is running free. Had he thrown the ball when Jackson first broke free, Griffin is probably still in the lineup today. He must improve his recognition and anticipation if he is to ever be an effective pocket passer. There's a reason that great pocket passers with limited mobility like Manning rarely get sacked - the ball is out of his hand before the defense has a chance to reach him. Wilson is becoming the best of both worlds - excellent recognition of what the defense is doing, with the wheels to extend plays when necessary, or to run for big yardage when the defensive seas part. This is the type of playmaker that I still hold hope for Griffin becoming.

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^ excellent post -- agreed

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[quote=SouperMeister;1088634]This is the big difference between the relative development of Cousins and Griffin. Cousins anticipates a receiver breaking open, and throws to a spot. Griffin often holds the ball too long, even when a receiver is running free. Had he thrown the ball when Jackson first broke free, Griffin is probably still in the lineup today. He must improve his recognition and anticipation if he is to ever be an effective pocket passer. There's a reason that great pocket passers with limited mobility like Manning rarely get sacked - the ball is out of his hand before the defense has a chance to reach him. Wilson is becoming the best of both worlds - excellent recognition of what the defense is doing, with the wheels to extend plays when necessary, or to run for big yardage when the defensive seas part. This is the type of playmaker that I still hold hope for Griffin becoming.[/quote]

Cousins is better at anticipating the receivers getting open. I definitely agree with that. I think he's also shown the ability to anticipate the coverages and take the shots down field when it looks like there can be some success. But I still believe that Griffin gives you a better chance at success overall, IF he can stay healthy. Honestly, we haven't seen enough of RGIII this year to really know if he was about to take that next step or not. One and one quarter games is just not enough time. After four games, we see that Cousins can play well but can also play horribly, but when it comes down to it, wins is what matters. And Cousins just has not given us the wins. RGIII has proven to get us wins when he's perfectly healthy, so I'm not ready to turn my back on RGIII unless Cousins never loses a game from this weekend on.

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[quote=Coff;1088486]What they didn't really mention in the Wilson Blueprint is a dominant defense that creates turnovers and a functional special teams.
I just find the whole RGIII discussion tiring, as if there's something wrong with how he plays. He has two seasons under his belt. In the first, he had a MVP caliber season. In the 2nd, he had pedestrian stats, forgivable since he had a knee he shouldn't have been playing on and one of the worst defenses in the history of the organization. My point is, had the Seahawks drafted Griffin and the Skins drafter Wilson, right now we'd be talking about the Griffin Blueprint and how Wilson should be more like that.[/quote]

Bingo.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1088634]This is the big difference between the relative development of Cousins and Griffin. Cousins anticipates a receiver breaking open, and throws to a spot. Griffin often holds the ball too long, even when a receiver is running free. Had he thrown the ball when Jackson first broke free, Griffin is probably still in the lineup today. He must improve his recognition and anticipation if he is to ever be an effective pocket passer. There's a reason that great pocket passers with limited mobility like Manning rarely get sacked - the ball is out of his hand before the defense has a chance to reach him. Wilson is becoming the best of both worlds - excellent recognition of what the defense is doing, with the wheels to extend plays when necessary, or to run for big yardage when the defensive seas part. This is the type of playmaker that I still hold hope for Griffin becoming.[/quote]

I think for Griffin that all comes with staying in the same offense for a few years, running the same plays over and over, getting comfortable with his wr's and not getting hurt. That was suppose to happen this year. I find it laughable that after 9 plays against a terrible team, everyone was thinking he had arrived. Maybe he gets back in there at some point this season.

I also sort of get the feeling ( based by Jay's and Jon's comments) that Gruden prefers a guy that is more pro ready, a more traditional type of QB to run his offense. It will be interesting to see how it plays out the remainder of the year, and next year.

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[quote=skinsguy;1088723]Cousins is better at anticipating the receivers getting open. I definitely agree with that. I think he's also shown the ability to anticipate the coverages and take the shots down field when it looks like there can be some success. But I still believe that Griffin gives you a better chance at success overall, IF he can stay healthy. Honestly, we haven't seen enough of RGIII this year to really know if he was about to take that next step or not. One and one quarter games is just not enough time. After four games, we see that Cousins can play well but can also play horribly, but when it comes down to it, wins is what matters. And Cousins just has not given us the wins. RGIII has proven to get us wins when he's perfectly healthy, so I'm not ready to turn my back on RGIII unless Cousins never loses a game from this weekend on.[/quote]

We're still a one win team if Griffin played all 5 games. The overall team has to improve if either guy is ever going to be successful.

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There is no blueprint..

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088821]We're still a one win team if Griffin played all 5 games. The overall team has to improve if either guy is ever going to be successful.[/quote]

I am not so sure about that. It's hard to say what Griffin might have done in the Eagles game, for example, which came down to the wire. Would he have wilted on the last drive? The 2012 RGIII wouldn't have, and we haven't seen enough 2014 RGIII to know, in my view. Also, there's no way the Giants game is a blowout with RGIII -- he's not had games with mutliple turnovers like Kirk had, and 31 points (the margin of the loss) were on turnovers. RGIII's mobility would likely have altered the approach the Giants would have taken to rushing the QB, which could have opened up the running game as well, not to mention might have enabled us to avoid sacks and rushed passes. Given the importance of the position, and the differences between RGIII and Cousins, I just don't know how one can conclude that every game leads to the same result, irresepctive of our QB.

Having said all of that, I also don't see how anyone could quibble that every element of our game needs to step it up (except perhaps our punter -- the guy is pretty dawn good). At the moment, with the potential exception of Way and Kerrigan, it's hard to single out anyone on the team and say, "Yeah, he's slaying it this season."

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Griff better have been watching 5 hours of game film everyday since his injury.

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Dude. He's a diva. He never watches film or works on his game. He spends all his time tweeting and making commercials.

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[quote=SirLK26;1088867]Dude. He's a diva. He never watches film or works on his game. He spends all his time tweeting and making commercials.[/quote]Wow. Glad to hear that someone on this board spends so much time at Redskins Park that he knows how much time Griffin studies film and works on his game. Duly noted.

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Looks like the Wilson Blueprint doesn't work so well when the running game and the defense don't play well.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1089371]Wow. Glad to hear that someone on this board spends so much time at Redskins Park that he knows how much time Griffin studies film and works on his game. Duly noted.[/quote]

LOL. It was a joke bruh. Generally I add a :D or a :Smoker: to these posts, but I figured this one was obvious enough. My bad.

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Wilson is older than most of the young QBs and he has experience as a professional athlete. All this makes his transition easier.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088820]I think for Griffin that all comes with staying in the same offense for a few years, running the same plays over and over, getting comfortable with his wr's and not getting hurt. That was suppose to happen this year. I find it laughable that after 9 plays against a terrible team, everyone was thinking he had arrived. Maybe he gets back in there at some point this season.

I also sort of get the feeling ( based by Jay's and Jon's comments) that Gruden prefers a guy that is more pro ready, a more traditional type of QB to run his offense.[B] It will be interesting to see how it plays out the remainder of the year, and next year[/B].[/quote] I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.

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[quote=Paintrain;1089547]I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

[B]Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.[/B][/quote]

Hopefully we will see the same Griffin that we saw in those few couple of plays in the Jacksonville game.

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[quote=Paintrain;1089547]I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.[/quote]

Outstanding post.

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Wilson is looking a lot like we thought Griffin would look like by year three. Keep in mind they have a much better infrastructure and Wilson seems to be a lot more durable. I think RGIII had a lot more potential than Wilson but with all of the other factors working against RG, it just isn't panning out. Not to say it can't, but the waiting and wondering is killing us all.

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[quote=R-words.com;1089584]Wilson is looking a lot like we thought Griffin would look like by year three. Keep in mind they have a much better infrastructure and Wilson seems to be a lot more durable. I think RGIII had a lot more potential than Wilson but with all of the other factors working against RG, it just isn't panning out. Not to say it can't, but the waiting and wondering is killing us all.[/quote]

Giving up those picks for RG3 was a gamble......the read option off the play action pass masked a lot of Griffin's deficiencies as a rookie....we learned in year II that he couldn't read coverages well....he's back to what we saw during the start of the 2012 preseason.....you don't give up what the Redskins gave up to draft a guy that didn't even play in a pro style offense in college.....this is one of the main reasons why RG3 is not a pocket passer, and can't read defenses etc....this is why the read option was implemented in his rookie season.........so his true draft value wasn't really a second overall pick.....not even close.......Griffin should have been drafted in the same round as Russell Wilson.....maybe RG3 will amount to something in the NFL.....or perhaps he won't..

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Give RG3 his chance and I mean a Sam Bradford chance. One thing RG3 has is courage and he leaves it all on the field. Let's start with those qualities and build on them.

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I am hopeful the when he returns RGIII will show us that he is "The Guy." He certainly has the intangibles for it and the physical skills to match. Given his injuries, his history with the spread offense and then the Shanny R/O, however, he is still very raw when it comes to the pro game.

I think he comes back, plays okay the first few weeks (not great but better than KC - certainly, minus KC's turnovers). The questions are, however, - does he get the rythym of a pro passing game? is he able to keep eyes downfield? Can he take what's given, live within the system rather than hold out in hopes a bigger play comes along?

If he can (and I think he will), all will be well and the Kool-Aid will be restocked.

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I just dont think RG3 will ever be able to stay healthy,dude is just too skinny.Can you name 1 other player in the NFL regardless of position who's as lean or skinny,whatever you want to call it,as RG3?

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[quote=htownskinfan;1089607]I just dont think RG3 will ever be able to stay healthy,dude is just too skinny.Can you name 1 other player in the NFL regardless of position who's as lean or skinny,whatever you want to call it,as RG3?[/quote]

Dude is 6'2", 222. Is that really skinny.

My hope is that RGIII turns out like Matt Stafford: a couple of freak injuries stall his career early, then the goodness comes.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1089609]Dude is 6'2", 222. Is that really skinny.



My hope is that RGIII turns out like Matt Stafford: a couple of freak injuries stall his career early, then the goodness comes.[/QUOTE]


He dont look it.Does he not look skinny to you? I cant think of another qb that looks as lean as Griffin

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[quote=Paintrain;1089547]I'm pretty sure the ship has sailed on this one. Cousins has shown, repeatedly, who he is. Yes he's decisive. Yes the ball comes out quickly. Yes he anticipates where to throw the ball. And yes, he gives the ball away at a highly unacceptable rate because of all of those factors as well. He's slightly above being just a guy because he can accumulate yards and stats but he doesn't put the team in the position to win games because of his negatives. Just like some people were convinced that being turnover prone could be 'coached out' of Rex, it's the same thing here, just a younger version. It's who he was in college and so far, who he is as a pro. Unless we have a top 3 defense who can offset the turnovers, you can't win with a QB like Cousins.

Once Griffin is healthy, he will be the unquestioned starter, growing pains and all because he gives the team the best chance to win.[/quote]

I have 0 confidence in Griffin's body holding up and it has to be a concern moving forward. That's now three major injuries in 6 years. On top of that he still has to perform. I'd like to see him back on the field as he needs game reps badly. The jury is still out on him.

Regarding KC, I think we see most QB's with few starts under their belts have their growing pains, in one way or another. KC is no different. Is this who's he's going to be forever? There is no way you can say that after 9 starts. Like Griffin he needs playing time. He most likely won't get that here unless Griffin keeps getting hurt.

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Put me on the list of guys that think we will draft a QB in the first round or make a deal to get a starter within the next three years.

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[quote=Lotus;1089609]Dude is 6'2", 222. Is that really skinny.

My hope is that RGIII turns out like Matt Stafford: a couple of freak injuries stall his career early, then the goodness comes.[/quote]

It's not that he's skinny. He's built more like a track athlete. His body doesn't seem like it can take the pounding. Look at Cam Newton? They ran him 17 times last week and many of them were off tackle runs. He's built like a TE, Wilson looks like a RB. RG3 looks like a wideout with skinny legs.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1089613]Put me on the list of guys that think we will draft a QB in the first round or make a deal to get a starter within the next three years.[/quote]

I've been saying this here and there, if Jameis Winston is there when we draft, the Redskins are going to have a tough decision to make.

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I will b a pissed off sob if we draft his stupid ass.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1089617]I've been saying this here and there, if Jameis Winston is there when we draft, the Redskins are going to have a tough decision to make.[/QUOTE]

No. We won't.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1089617]I've been saying this here and there, if Jameis Winston is there when we draft, the Redskins are going to have a tough decision to make.[/quote]

I agree. Which OL or CB do we take?

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[quote=htownskinfan;1089610]He dont look it.Does he not look skinny to you? I cant think of another qb that looks as lean as Griffin[/quote]

Brady is a tall skinny rail.

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[quote=Chico23231;1089625]Brady is a tall skinny rail.[/quote]

Yea but Brady can read a defense like I can read a beer bottle label.