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[quote=Gary84Clark;1093184]On quick timing plays yeah. But if you noticed even when Cousins was playing he threw picks when he had too much time. ON play action there are no quick releases. On deep routes there are no quick releases. I think Gruden calls different plays when RG3 is in the game. Sooner or later the o-line has to block. Even when Cousins was QB, Polumbus is what really ruined his career.[/quote]

Cousins threw picks because of erratic accuracy and poor decisions, not because of timing.

BTW on play action and deep routes there still typically are quick release opportunities to safety valves. And you can still throw the ball away, much of the time anyway, even if no safety valve is available.

Think what you want. But my guess is that Gruden is constantly talking to RGIII about timing. This is not a new concept - Jerry Rice is a HoFer in part because of the YAC he got from a timing based offense.

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[quote=Lotus;1093183]No one is calling for RGIII to do stupid things. But he has plenty of room to speed up getting the ball out. And quickly and safely throwing the ball away beats a sack every time.

Gruden's offense is based on timing which leaves receivers getting lots of YAC. A slow delivery from the QB gums up the works pretty badly.[/quote]

On quick timing plays yeah. But if you noticed even when Cousins was playing he threw picks when he had too much time. ON play action there are no quick releases. On deep routes there are no quick releases. I think Gruden calls different plays when RG3 is in the game. Sooner or later the o-line has to block. Even when Cousins was QB, Polumbus is what really ruined his career.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1093187]On quick timing plays yeah. But if you noticed even when Cousins was playing he threw picks when he had too much time. ON play action there are no quick releases. On deep routes there are no quick releases. [B]I think Gruden calls different plays when RG3 is in the game.[/B] Sooner or later the o-line has to block. Even when Cousins was QB, Polumbus is what really ruined his career.[/quote]

Clearly, a conspiracy is afoot.

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Of course he calls a different game - Griffin can do things KC can't. At the same time, if you don't think timing is a large part of Gruden's offense, well, we have been watching different teams.

and, sorry, several of Kirk's INT's had nothing to do with how much or how little time he had in the pocket. Many were quick but errant throws.

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Easy to see why Luck is so much farther ahead than RG3, growing up in a pro style offense at Stanford vs an Art Briles college gimmick offense.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1093191]Of course he calls a different game - [B]Griffin can do things RGIII can't.[/B] At the same time, if you don't think timing is a large part of Gruden's offense, well, we have been watching different teams.

and, sorry, several of Kirk's INT's had nothing to do with how much or how little time he had in the pocket. Many were quick but errant throws.[/quote]

Huh?

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[quote=skinsguy;1093219]Huh?[/quote]

lol ... cut me some slack. It was 4:00 a.m. and I was in an insomnia induced haze.

Corrected.

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[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/steelers-call-out--dirty-player--terrell-suggs-for-diving-at-legarrette-blount-s-knees-163908126.html[/url]

i missed this and i dont know if im late, but damn that looks dirty. No way Suggs can justify that

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[quote=Chico23231;1093227][url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/steelers-call-out--dirty-player--terrell-suggs-for-diving-at-legarrette-blount-s-knees-163908126.html[/url]

i missed this and i dont know if im late, but damn that looks dirty. No way Suggs can justify that[/quote]

I really don't care for the Ravens or Suggs for that matter, but to me that doesn't seem dirty. Suggs is a tall guy and in today's NFL you have to aim at the mid section; Blount I would imagine is a short guy. At least in the angle shown here, Suggs ends up hitting him around the hip area; also the ref blows the whistle just as Suggs is making his tackle, so the play was still live.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1093230]I really don't care for the Ravens or Suggs for that matter, but to me that doesn't seem dirty. Suggs is a tall guy and in today's NFL you have to aim at the mid section; Blount I would imagine is a short guy. At least in the angle shown here, Suggs ends up hitting him around the hip area; also the ref blows the whistle just as Suggs is making his tackle, so the play was still live.[/quote]

I think since his progress looks pretty much stopped and Suggs goes from standing still to throwing his shoulder at the thigh/knee area its dirty. If Blount knee got slightly turned while the hit was in progress, Suggs ends his season. I think its dirty

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[quote=Chico23231;1093231]I think since his progress looks pretty much stopped and Suggs goes from standing still to throwing his shoulder at the thigh/knee area its dirty. If Blount knee got slightly turned while the hit was in progress, Suggs ends his season. I think its dirty[/quote]

The play was still live up until Suggs makes his tackle. If anything, the refs should've blown the whistle earlier. Suggs probably should have tried to wrap him up, but defensive players don't seem to do that anymore.

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keep doing it until they make you stop.

works for me

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1093220]lol ... cut me some slack. It was 4:00 a.m. and I was in an insomnia induced haze.

Corrected.[/quote]

lol! Hey, been there, done it!

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Harrison strong like bull.
[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/yahoo-sports-minute/james-harrison-does-push-ups-with-maurkice-pouncey-on-his-back-043913713.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1093230]I really don't care for the Ravens or Suggs for that matter, but to me that doesn't seem dirty. Suggs is a tall guy and in today's NFL you have to aim at the mid section; Blount I would imagine is a short guy. At least in the angle shown here, Suggs ends up hitting him around the hip area; also the ref blows the whistle just as Suggs is making his tackle, so the play was still live.[/QUOTE]


He should have just waited till the game was over and sucker punched Blount rite in his face...

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Chicago dumping Cutler? Hide yo secondary coach.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1093418]Chicago dumping Cutler? Hide yo secondary coach.[/quote]

Wait ... What? Where did you here that?

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JJ should stick to his day job as team physician, rather than wading in to international relations: [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cowboys-owner-see-team-london-170810485--nfl.html[/url]

Honestly, I imagine the British media (known to be rather persistent) will tire of this clown by week's end. How sweet would it be for the Jags to beat the Cowboys. After all, the CowboysUK, as we all know.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1093418]Chicago dumping Cutler? Hide yo secondary coach.[/quote]

What are you talking about? With Cutler's contract, the Bears are married to that guy until at least 2017.

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Dear goodness Andy Dalton is shitting it up.


10/30......2 INTs with a 14.6 rating in the 4th.



EDIT: make that 10/33 ..........3 INTs with a 2.0 rating. God damn that's horrible.

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[quote=Hijinx;1093469]What are you talking about? With Cutler's contract, the Bears are married to that guy until at least 2017.[/quote]

Trade rumors Tressman sux

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[quote=NC_Skins;1093475]Dear goodness Andy Dalton is shitting it up.


10/30......2 INTs with a 14.6 rating in the 4th.



EDIT: make that 10/33 ..........3 INTs with a 2.0 rating. God damn that's horrible.[/quote]

Looks like the Red Rifle is firing blanks tonight.

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Griffin has never played this poorly, ever. Not even close.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1093475]Dear goodness Andy Dalton is shitting it up.


10/30......2 INTs with a 14.6 rating in the 4th.



EDIT: make that 10/33 ..........3 INTs with a 2.0 rating. God damn that's horrible.[/quote]

I didn't watch the game. Was it the Browns pass rush?

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Dalton was so bad last night. Jason Campbell came in to relieve him.

AFC North is a crazy division. Love Cleveland being tied for first.

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I called Cleveland being a surprise team but with manziel as QB. Gotta give it to them and hoyer without gordon they are 6-3. Idk y we can't do shit like that ever. O well

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1093479]I didn't watch the game. Was it the Browns pass rush?[/quote]

Nope. Dalton was just turrible. Granted, his OL and WRs didn't help much at times either. When AJ Green has 2 drops, you know it's a bad night for everybody. The Browns secondary (Haden/Skrine) played lights out.

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/6/7172169/andy-dalton-incompletions-bengals-quarterback-worst-game]Here's every awful Andy Dalton incompletion from 'Thursday Night Football' - SBNation.com[/url]

See for yourself.



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11835083/jeremy-hill-cincinnati-bengals-says-browns-worse-thought-being-routed-cleveland]Jeremy Hill of Cincinnati Bengals says Browns 'worse than I thought' after being routed by Cleveland - ESPN[/url]

You get your ass blown out at home on a primetime game and have the nerve to say some stupid shit like this after the game? This is one of the morons that just decided to hand the ball over to the Browns. :doh:

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1093479]I didn't watch the game. Was it the Browns pass rush?[/QUOTE]


The 85 Bears couldnt rush a qb into numbers like that. Lol. That takes some serious shitting of the bed by a qb.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1093496]I called Cleveland being a surprise team but with manziel as QB. Gotta give it to them and hoyer without gordon they are 6-3. Idk y we can't do shit like that ever. O well[/QUOTE]


Seriously on paper it seems they have no business being so much better than us.

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Cincy keeps being Cincy and doesnt make the playoffs or is 1 and done, looks like we could be getting Jay's D Cordinator of choice.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1093497]Nope. Dalton was just turrible. Granted, his OL and WRs didn't help much at times either. When AJ Green has 2 drops, you know it's a bad night for everybody. The Browns secondary (Haden/Skrine) played lights out.

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/6/7172169/andy-dalton-incompletions-bengals-quarterback-worst-game]Here's every awful Andy Dalton incompletion from 'Thursday Night Football' - SBNation.com[/url]

See for yourself.



[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11835083/jeremy-hill-cincinnati-bengals-says-browns-worse-thought-being-routed-cleveland]Jeremy Hill of Cincinnati Bengals says Browns 'worse than I thought' after being routed by Cleveland - ESPN[/url]

[B]You get your ass blown out at home on a primetime game and have the nerve to say some stupid shit like this after the game? This is one of the morons that just decided to hand the ball over to the Browns. [/B]:doh:[/quote]

Is he basically saying we got are ass beat less than it should have been?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1093500]Cincy keeps being Cincy and doesnt make the playoffs or is 1 and done, looks like we could be getting Jay's D Cordinator of choice.[/QUOTE]


Who is the new DC in cincy? I dont even know. He is no mike zimmer though.

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[quote=punch it in;1093502]Who is the new DC in cincy? I dont even know. He is no mike zimmer though.[/quote]

Paul Guenther

[url=http://www.bengals.com/team/coaches/Guenther_Paul/69f939c0-b7ca-4d99-9eac-5ac7c1652bc8]Cincinnati Bengals: Paul Guenther[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1093503]Paul Guenther



[url=http://www.bengals.com/team/coaches/Guenther_Paul/69f939c0-b7ca-4d99-9eac-5ac7c1652bc8]Cincinnati Bengals: Paul Guenther[/url][/QUOTE]


I hope that he is not Grudens guy. Might as well keep effin Haslett if thats the case.

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[quote=punch it in;1093504]I hope that he is not Grudens guy. Might as well keep effin Haslett if thats the case.[/quote]

Long time assistant, learned under Mike Zimmer. I wouldnt have a problem with it.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1093505]Long time assistant, learned under Mike Zimmer. I wouldnt have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]


Being there under Zimmer and learning under Zimmer are two different things. Based on the Bengals D this year he didnt learn much. They are giving out yards like halloween candy.

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[quote=punch it in;1093504]I hope that he is not Grudens guy. Might as well keep effin Haslett if thats the case.[/quote]

That's the guy Jay wanted to hire. He was a coach here back when in the Spurrier years.

I think the Bengals have been hit by a lot of injuries on defense

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1093514]That's the guy Jay wanted to hire. He was a coach here back when in the Spurrier years.



I think the Bengals have been hit by a lot of injuries on defense[/QUOTE]


Maybe they have but they are stinking up the joint something terrible on D.

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Seems like we all agree that Haslett does not have alot of talent to work with but he doesnt get the most from what he has. So now we are going to go after a guy whose squad has allowed 500 more yards in offense than our putrid D? The Bengals are certainly not the least talented defense in the league injuries or not. Ill pass.

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[quote=punch it in;1093517]Seems like we all agree that Haslett does not have alot of talent to work with but he doesnt get the most from what he has. So now we are going to go after a guy whose squad has allowed 500 more yards in offense than our putrid D? The Bengals are certainly not the least talented defense in the league injuries or not. Ill pass.[/quote]

This again is a problem of bringing in a new head coach and then the Owner/FO telling him the DC stays.

HC needs to have a strong say in who he works with...again this is a failure of the Owner/FO. And we are left with doing the samething we should have done last year, bringing in a new DC when the season ends.