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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1094299]You may be on to something!! ..its sad but I really don't believe that based on performance RGIII could even win that job.I believe 10000% that with Colt we would have won this game and the Vikings game..[/QUOTE]


He did go into Dallas and beat a better team than either of them. He shook off the nerves and played really effin well.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1094298]5 of the last 6 years the skins have started 3-6 lmao! What a POS joke

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/brian-mitchell-goes-redskins-postgame-rant]Brian Mitchell goes off on Redskins in postgame rant | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

Agree 100%[/quote]

Great stuff!! And telling it like it is, the truth!!

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1094298]5 of the last 6 years the skins have started 3-6 lmao! What a POS joke



[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/brian-mitchell-goes-redskins-postgame-rant]Brian Mitchell goes off on Redskins in postgame rant | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]



Agree 100%[/QUOTE]


Hah! That was great.
Edit: Okie did you graduate yet?

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[quote=punch it in;1094300]He did go into Dallas and beat a better team than either of them. He shook off the nerves and played really effin well.[/quote]

That might have the only game this season I saw any emotion out of this team. The Only game they looked fired up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1094211]Guys it's the same no Matter who the coach is, Gibbs and shanny couldn't even fix this bullshit. It's on Snyder whatever he does never works, Bruce allen is trash and hasn't made the team better at all. . Same shit different yr nothing changes no matter who is our hc.[/quote]

Snyder has been great and personally I miss Vinny. I mean who can forget the genius Zorn interview when Danny and Vinny identified whether or not Zorn could do it.
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Yeah punch I'm actually in Virginia now at Fort lee for my job training school. I like VA it's nice but shit is expensive here lol

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[quote=rocnrik;1094296]We could not get a third round pick for RGIII…He WILL NEVER be a good Starting QB..the strength of his game was what got him hurt..take that away and you got nothing…Colt McCoy at least understands the scheme…Its time to end the RGIII fiasco ..if I am wrong tell me this what other team in the NFL would RGIII start for??[/quote]

As much as I want Griffin III to have success, I think we have to look at 2012 as flash in the pan.....the way Griffin locks in on one receiver is the surest sign that he can't read coverages or understand defenses.....he hasn't developed hardly at all into a legitimate starting quarterback....the organization made a mistake in not only drafting him but throwing away the future for him....you don't take a quarterback 2nd overall in the draft if he didn't play in a pro style offense in college.....this is something that Shanahan knew which is why he wanted Ryan Tannehill instead.....not saying Griffin can't amount to something in the NFL, but he hasn't shown much since his rookie season......in 2012 the read option masked a great deal of his deficiencies that we didn't know that he had at the time......but the writing on the wall was there.....the Shanahan's used the read option because they knew that RG3 couldn't run a pro style offense.....and because his reading comprehension of defenses was poor...

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It starts with the OL and DL we need to dedicate a draft or two to getting the trenches together. Regardless who plays QB or who the DC is calling plays without good protection and good pressure we will be a losing franchise. There multiple problems beyond RG3 but he has to play better period. Losing Trent today played a huge part in him being comfortable, he is the best player on the OL. No excuses for RG3 but you could see it.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;1094310]It starts with the OL and DL we need to dedicate a draft or two to getting the trenches together. Regardless who plays QB or who the DC is calling plays without good protection and good pressure we will be a losing franchise. There multiple problems beyond RG3 but he has to play better period. Losing Trent today played a huge part in him being comfortable, he is the best player on the OL. No excuses for RG3 but you could see it.[/quote]

I have tried to make this point but it wont get through. QB and Safety are the only positions that matter to most on this board.

People here are saying that spread offense QB's dont develop in the NFL. Thats just flat out wrong. There are plenty that developed properly behind a good OL. There are none that developed properly behind a terrible one.

I have been an RG3 defender, and will still defend him. Having said that, RG3 is already starting to do the same things that Patrick Ramsey did when he was getting killed behind a weak offensive line (jumpy feet, patting the ball like it was a hot potato, locking in on one receiver and praying he would get open). RG3 could have been developed into a quality QB behind a good OL... And Tom Brady could have been ruined behind a bad one.

But hey... Who needs an OL when all it takes is a QB and a safety or two to win the SB.

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This is what I think of Griffin's issues:

He hasn't been the same since he got injured:

He's playing scared and lacks confidence/swagger

He could hide his flaws with his speed before, he's slowed down due to injury and doesn't have that option now

Shitty protection from OL

Lack of experience in a pro style offense

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1094306]Yeah punch I'm actually in Virginia now at Fort lee for my job training school. I like VA it's nice but shit is expensive here lol[/QUOTE]


Ahh sweet. Congrats!

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1094313]I have tried to make this point but it wont get through. QB and Safety are the only positions that matter to most on this board.



People here are saying that spread offense QB's dont develop in the NFL. Thats just flat out wrong. There are plenty that developed properly behind a good OL. There are none that developed properly behind a terrible one.



I have been an RG3 defender, and will still defend him. Having said that, RG3 is already starting to do the same things that Patrick Ramsey did when he was getting killed behind a weak offensive line (jumpy feet, patting the ball like it was a hot potato, locking in on one receiver and praying he would get open). RG3 could have been developed into a quality QB behind a good OL... And Tom Brady could have been ruined behind a bad one.



But hey... Who needs an OL when all it takes is a QB and a safety or two to win the SB.[/QUOTE]


How do you explain the fact that Griff completely misses (not with his arm, but his effin eyes), wide open wr's alot? The dude doesnt read the field properly whether he has time or not.
Im not going to sit here and say our OL isnt shit because it is. However Im certainly not going to sit here and talk about how Griff is just a guard and a tackle away from being Tom Brady.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1094298]5 of the last 6 years the skins have started 3-6 lmao! What a POS joke

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/brian-mitchell-goes-redskins-postgame-rant]Brian Mitchell goes off on Redskins in postgame rant | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

Agree 100%[/quote]

Preach it B Mitch!! Two weeks to prepare for a 1-8 Shitty Bucs team and get blown out. wtf losers lose thats what they do.

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[quote=punch it in;1094316]How do you explain the fact that Griff completely misses (not with his arm, but his effin eyes), wide open wr's alot? The dude doesnt read the field properly whether he has time or not.
Im not going to sit here and say our OL isnt shit because it is. However Im certainly not going to sit here and talk about how Griff is just a guard and a tackle away from being Tom Brady.[/quote]

No one is a guard or tackle away from being Tom Brady. It still does not change the fact that new QB's develop better with a better OL. Everyone wants a new QB but why will that matter? It will be the same song and dance that we have dealt with for 20 years.

You cannot develop a good QB with a crappy OL. Why get a new QB only to ruin him as well? We can spend 5 draft picks a year on QB's and still wont find one with the OL that we keep putting out there.

To your opening question. Its very simple.

WE... NEVER... DEVELOPED... HIM... AS... AN... NFL... QB...

Seriously, you guys should go back and look at the great QB's first few years in the league. They missed a crap ton of throws as well, both with their arms and their eyes. The main difference... While they missed them, they had the ability to see the play develop and actually learn something because they had an OL that was competent. Its called developing a QB. We have yet to try it in several decades.

No I dont want a new QB because that QB will fail as well. Only a Brady or Rodgers will have any success on our team, even then, it wont be a SB or deep playoff run. But those guys have already been developed. Luck would flat out suck on our team. Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick wouldnt even be called QB's if they played on our team. None of those three would ever be anything in this league without a team that helped to develop them (and lets face it, Wilson and Kaepernick both suck as anything other than a running QB).

Until we choose to develop a QB properly, the whole get a new QB conversation that we have had for two decades will continue for two more decades. Its a pointless conversation to have. Why people, who claim to know the sport, cant see that is beyond me. Aaron Rodgers wont be a free agent any time soon so developing a QB (You know like GB did, or NE did, or the Colts have done multiple times) is our only option. And that wont happen with Trent Williams being our only good OL.

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[quote=Skinzman;1094324]No one is a guard or tackle away from being Tom Brady. It still does not change the fact that new QB's develop better with a better OL. Everyone wants a new QB but why will that matter? It will be the same song and dance that we have dealt with for 20 years.

You cannot develop a good QB with a crappy OL. Why get a new QB only to ruin him as well? We can spend 5 draft picks a year on QB's and still wont find one with the OL that we keep putting out there.

To your opening question. Its very simple.

WE... NEVER... DEVELOPED... HIM... AS... AN... NFL... QB...

Seriously, you guys should go back and look at the great QB's first few years in the league. They missed a crap ton of throws as well, both with their arms and their eyes. The main difference... While they missed them, they had the ability to see the play develop and actually learn something because they had an OL that was competent. Its called developing a QB. We have yet to try it in several decades.

No I dont want a new QB because that QB will fail as well. Only a Brady or Rodgers will have any success on our team, even then, it wont be a SB or deep playoff run. But those guys have already been developed. Luck would flat out suck on our team. Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick wouldnt even be called QB's if they played on our team. None of those three would ever be anything in this league without a team that helped to develop them (and lets face it, Wilson and Kaepernick both suck as anything other than a running QB).

Until we choose to develop a QB properly, the whole get a new QB conversation that we have had for two decades will continue for two more decades. Its a pointless conversation to have. Why people, who claim to know the sport, cant see that is beyond me. Aaron Rodgers wont be a free agent any time soon so developing a QB (You know like GB did, or NE did, or the Colts have done multiple times) is our only option. And that wont happen with Trent Williams being our only good OL.[/quote]

Looks like what I wanted to say has been said. People will never get it man.

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I can't believe the overall tone of this thread is supportive of Jay Gruden. He's been terrible.

Griffin has not lived up to his reputation and I'm starting to wonder if he ever will.

But I have not seen Jay Gruden do anything offensively to give us a strategic advantage other than launch it deep to DeSean Jackson. His version of the zone blocking scheme has resulted in sub-par running from Alfred Morris despite running behind mostly the same line as the Shanahans had. If anything this line should be better.

Pierre Garcon has turned from one of the most reliable receivers in the league into a complete afterthought.

Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't make any rash moves. I'd keep Jay and Robert together through Robert's rookie contract. But if they don't both get it in gear then I'd completely clean house.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.

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[quote=Schneed10;1094353]I can't believe the overall tone of this thread is supportive of Jay Gruden. He's been terrible.

Griffin has not lived up to his reputation and I'm starting to wonder if he ever will.

But I have not seen Jay Gruden do anything offensively to give us a strategic advantage other than launch it deep to DeSean Jackson. His version of the zone blocking scheme has resulted in sub-par running from Alfred Morris despite running behind mostly the same line as the Shanahans had. If anything this line should be better.

Pierre Garcon has turned from one of the most reliable receivers in the league into a complete afterthought.

Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't make any rash moves. I'd keep Jay and Robert together through Robert's rookie contract. But if they don't both get it in gear then I'd completely clean house.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.[/quote]

I agree with you to an extent, but the FO and management hasnt let Gruden do the things he's wanted. THE MOST IMPORTANT IS CHOSE HIS OWN COACHING STAFF. What dumb fucking FO doesnt let a head coach chose his own staff.

Im done with Bruce as a GM. Im done with both O and D coordinators and our Oline coach.

Some people need to be fired in the FO as well.

Jay needs more time, but its far far from his fault.

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J is an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill. Sorry but that scene from Apocalypse Now came to mind.
I totally agree with you btw.
Edit:meant to quote chicos post above.

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[quote=Chico23231;1094356]I agree with you to an extent, but the FO and management hasnt let Gruden do the things he's wanted. THE MOST IMPORTANT IS CHOSE HIS OWN COACHING STAFF. What dumb fucking FO doesnt let a head coach chose his own staff.

Im done with Bruce as a GM. Im done with both O and D coordinators and our Oline coach.

Some people need to be fired in the FO as well.

Jay needs more time, but its far far from his fault.[/quote]

There is only one reason a player or coach would ever come to a dysfunctional organization like the Redskins and that's for a payday. Any player or coach with an ounce of desire to win a championship would never sign on to this loser organization.

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[quote=Schneed10;1094353]I can't believe the overall tone of this thread is supportive of Jay Gruden. He's been terrible.

Griffin has not lived up to his reputation and I'm starting to wonder if he ever will.

But I have not seen Jay Gruden do anything offensively to give us a strategic advantage other than launch it deep to DeSean Jackson. His version of the zone blocking scheme has resulted in sub-par running from Alfred Morris despite running behind mostly the same line as the Shanahans had. If anything this line should be better.

Pierre Garcon has turned from one of the most reliable receivers in the league into a complete afterthought.

Gruden's team was completely unprepared yesterday. [B]And as for the matter of Griffin, his poor development falls at the feet of the head coach, like it or not. He was brought in to get Robert going in the right direction. He's going in the wrong direction.
[/B]
I wouldn't make any rash moves. I'd keep Jay and Robert together through Robert's rookie contract. But if they don't both get it in gear then I'd completely clean house.

I'm completely unimpressed by Jay Gruden.[/quote]

When do we get to the point and realize that Griffin probably isn't good enough? I don't care if you bring back Bill Walsh from the grave, if a guy just isn't good enough then it may be time to go in another direction.

If McCoy or Cousins played yesterday, we don't take all those sacks, we hit some of the open wr's in the intermediate game. Yeah there may have been a couple of picks and what not, but at least we'd have a functional offense where the wr's and TE's can have a chance to make plays. Griffin left so many plays out on the field yesterday simply because he has no idea how to run a pro offense.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1094360]When do we get to the point and realize that Griffin probably isn't good enough? I don't care if you bring back Bill Walsh from the grave, if a guy just isn't good enough then it may be time to go in another direction.

If McCoy or Cousins played yesterday, we don't take all those sacks, we hit some of the open wr's in the intermediate game. Yeah there may have been a couple of picks and what not, but at least we'd have a functional offense where the wr's and TE's can have a chance to make plays. Griffin left so many plays out on the field yesterday simply because he has no idea how to run a pro offense.[/QUOTE]


Yup doesnt see the field at all. Anybody who doesnt see that is as blind as he is.

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I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.

Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;1094362]I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.



Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.[/QUOTE]


You bring in someone who runs a pro style offense. Like Colt did once he shook off the rust against Dallas. No reason we cant bolster the oline thru free agency and the draft. Oh and by bringing in an oline coach who has a clue.
Instead though Snyder will stubbornly let this ship sink while he tries desperately to make Rg-3 the qb of the future. Typical DS crap thats been plaguing us for years. We need to bring in a real GM and give him absolute control over everything football.

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Everyone says upgrade the OL yet we have 3 3rd rounders sitting on the bench. How about we use them and find out if they can play.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=Gmanc711;1094362]I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.

Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.[/quote]

They were talking about RG's contract on ESPN 980 MMQB show. They way I understand it he doesn't have 2 years left. He has one year left (next season) and then the Skins can exercise the option on the 2nd year (2016) or not. If they do the extension the Skins will be on the hook for $18Mil. I think they said this option has to exercised by May 2015 so the remaining games IMO are very important to decide on that option. If the option isnt exercised then at the end of next season RG will be an unrestricted free agent.

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[quote=punch it in;1094361]Yup doesnt see the field at all. Anybody who doesnt see that is as blind as he is.[/quote]

The problem is that you assume we think RG3 is the next Joe Montana. Thats not it at all. What we are calling the problem is developing the QB. It doesnt matter who you draft at this point. We wont develop them. You want to draft a few QB's a year and watch them falter for 20 or 30 more years. I want to fix the development problem so we dont have 20 or 30 more years of this. Whether that is with or without RG3, I dont really care. I just want a functional team.

RG3 could have been developed properly and still can. But until we decide that actually developing a QB is more than signing DJ, it wont matter.

And will people stop talking about Colt McCoy's performance against Dallas as anything spectacular. We scored 19 against the Titans and 20 points against Dallas, a worse defense than we scored 26 on the very next week with RG3. Colt loses the minny game as well. The defense showed up against both the titans and cowboys. Surprise.... Defense matters.

RG3 had a bad game against the Bucs, but if we cut everyone that had a bad game against the bucs, then the only members of the Redskins organization that is left is Alfred and the cheerleaders.

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Cant give up on RG3, got to continue to develop him. I would bring in a vet to push him though.

Upgrading the Oline is priority #1 this offseason.

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[quote=Gmanc711;1094362]I guess I don't see the point in "moving past" Rg3 at this point with the 2 years left on his contract. There isn't (as far as I know) a can't miss guy in the draft, so if they just bring someone else in, it's going to be the same exact problem that every QB we've had for the last 20+ years has had. Until they build the Oline up, we'll continue to suck.

Not saying RG3 isn't a problem right now; but until they invest in the line it will be the same story.[/quote]

Cousins and McCoy have played way more games, thrown more passes and have been sacked less. Yes, we need some upgrades, but a lot of this is on Griffin. He's over 30 starts in and still can't recognize a blitz, can't stop holding on the ball and still back peddles when he's pressured.

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Who gives a crap about QB, we have 3 "guys" on the roster. RG3 isn't the guy, the other 2 are just backups...

We stink because we have no talent, not just at QB. They don't pay attention to the lines enough. We have a bunch of guys on the DL, but no one is an elite player. They signed a bunch of free agents, and no one except for Djax is doing anything. Reality is the FO still sucks, and the owner still sucks. Until they start deciding to draft and build a team the right way, we are gonna suck.

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[quote=Chico23231;1094356]I agree with you to an extent, but the FO and management hasnt let Gruden do the things he's wanted. THE MOST IMPORTANT IS CHOSE HIS OWN COACHING STAFF. What dumb fucking FO doesnt let a head coach chose his own staff.

Im done with Bruce as a GM. Im done with both O and D coordinators and our Oline coach.

Some people need to be fired in the FO as well.

Jay needs more time, but its far far from his fault.[/quote]

I would say that I am equally concerned that Jay took this job knowing how his hands where going to be tied. (I am assuming he brought up his desires as a head coach during the interviewing process). We should be concerned about the FO that does this but we should also be concerned about the HC who thinks this is acceptable to work under.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094371]Cousins and McCoy have played way more games, thrown more passes and have been sacked less. Yes, we need some upgrades, but a lot of this is on Griffin. He's over 30 starts in and still can't recognize a blitz, can't stop holding on the ball and still back peddles when he's pressured.[/quote]

The guy is playing scared, doesn't want to get injured again. Lack of confidence. OL doesn't help either

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1094373]I would say that I am equally concerned that Jay took this job knowing how his hands where going to be tied. (I am assuming he brought up his desires as a head coach during the interviewing process). We should be concerned about the FO that does this but we should also be concerned about the HC who thinks this is acceptable to work under.[/quote]

The one constant is the mismanagement within the offices of the Redskins during the Snyder era. Not only by Dan, there are a gang of others.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1094374]The guy is playing scared, doesn't want to get injured again. Lack of confidence. OL doesn't help either[/quote]

RG3 pocket awareness is terrible, he gets happy feet and starts to feel pressure that isnt there as the game goes on. So even when he has time, he feels he doesnt. Has a hard time pre snap and has a hard time seeing the field. Jay needs to move the pocket more for him, but he doesnt for some reason.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1094374]The guy is playing scared, doesn't want to get injured again. Lack of confidence. OL doesn't help either[/quote]

Well then sit his ass down. If he comes out like this against SF then put in McCoy or KC. Guys were running wide open yesterday and he just didn't pull the trigger.

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The reason I titled the thread "Jay Gruden you are our only hope" is because I think Gruden has what it takes to win long term, if and only if, he has the balls to make hard decisions (Griffin, Haz, etc). I hope he does, if not, it will be the same thing year after year. Haz is a huge issue with me, he has never had a top defense, by any stat (not just yards)

As for Allen – I have no idea if he or Shanahan is responsible for the roster; I am not sure anyone not in the room really does. I do know we started to address the Oline the last 2 years, so I am willing to wait on another year or two to see if we keep our own drafts or not (Riley, Robinson, Kerrigan, Amerson) and see if any of the O line drafts replace vets in the next year or two. I guess I am saying I am willing to give Allen three years of him running the show to see how it plays out. I am not saying I am optimistic, I am not saying I am not; I just want to see what happens.

At least Special Teams continues to get better (minus Forbath)

As to the Apocalypse Now quoter.....yes this thread is a Star Wars quote.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094378]Well then sit his ass down. If he comes out like this against SF then put in McCoy or KC. Guys were running wide open yesterday and he just didn't pull the trigger.[/quote]

Next week RGII will be like a human pinata, Aaron Lynch on one side and Aldon Smith on the other. Lynch is a 5th round rookie playing like an all-pro (steal of the draft).

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094378]Well then sit his ass down. If he comes out like this against SF then put in McCoy or KC. Guys were running wide open yesterday and he just didn't pull the trigger.[/quote]

cant sit him, we have to coach him and play him to see results. makes zero sense to play colt. cant play, wont learn

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094371]Cousins and McCoy have played way more games, thrown more passes and have been sacked less. Yes, we need some upgrades, but a lot of this is on Griffin. He's over 30 starts in and still can't recognize a blitz, can't stop holding on the ball and still back peddles when he's pressured.[/quote]

This is what's frustrating. This blind belief that no matter who is on the bench, he's better than the QB on the field. So we cherry pick statistics to find something to justify our belief. But this is just ridiculous. Okay, RGIII gets sacked more than Colt and Kirk. But he throws more touchdowns, throws fewer interceptions, completes more first downs, completes a higher percentage of his passes, averages more yards per reception, and has a much higher QB rating. But he gets sacked more, so yeah, let's make that the only statistic that matters.

Let's compare McCoy to Griffin. McCoy has thrown nearly 25% fewer passes but has managed to throw more interceptions. McCoy averages a TD every 34 passes, RGIII averages one every 25. McCoy has completed less than 60% of his passes, RGIII has completed 64% of his. McCoy averages 6.5 yards per attempt, RGIII 7.5. It's not a comparison; RGIII is a superior QB; he's a superior pocket passer. It's enough to just recognize that RGIII is not a great QB and that we will probably have to move on, but to get delusional about it and add to the cacophony of nonsense that surrounds this organization just simply isn't helpful.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1094368]The problem is that you assume we think RG3 is the next Joe Montana. Thats not it at all. What we are calling the problem is developing the QB. It doesnt matter who you draft at this point. We wont develop them. You want to draft a few QB's a year and watch them falter for 20 or 30 more years. I want to fix the development problem so we dont have 20 or 30 more years of this. Whether that is with or without RG3, I dont really care. I just want a functional team.



RG3 could have been developed properly and still can. But until we decide that actually developing a QB is more than signing DJ, it wont matter.



And will people stop talking about Colt McCoy's performance against Dallas as anything spectacular. We scored 19 against the Titans and 20 points against Dallas, a worse defense than we scored 26 on the very next week with RG3. Colt loses the minny game as well. The defense showed up against both the titans and cowboys. Surprise.... Defense matters.



RG3 had a bad game against the Bucs, but if we cut everyone that had a bad game against the bucs, then the only members of the Redskins organization that is left is Alfred and the cheerleaders.[/QUOTE]


Alfred and the cheerleaders sounds excellent to me! Lol
I completely hear what you are saying. I know that you think he isnt being developed.
What I am saying is that regardless of his athleticism I dont think he has it in him to ever be anything even remotely resembling Joe Montana. What I am saying is that no matter who we bring in to develop him he is what he is. A supreme athlete that will never be a great or even really good passing qb. Maybe one day he will shock me whether it is as a Redskin or not. Who knows? My only point about Colt was that he seemed to have a feel for the offense once he got rolling. I dont think he is the long term answer by any means. If he had Roberts arm strength well than....
I disagree about our inability to develop a qb. It just has to be the rite one. Ramsey, JC - it isnt like they left the Skins and excelled. Who else are we talking about? Brunell - dudes best years were behind him. Jon Beck? Lol. With Robert we finally had a top pick and used it on a qb. He simply isnt what we hoped imo. Huge blunder but one we had to take a shot on. It isnt working. Its that simple. Sucks, but it is what it is. Im wanting to eat crow man. Im starving for a big ole crow sandwich!

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

Put Colt in or Cousins in, then we will back again trying to develop Griffin after the season. Have to ride it out, there isn't alot of talent on this team anyways.