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I'm a little more positive than some of you guys. Overall we competed well against a tough team on the road.

Positives:
Keenan Robinson! After being held back by injuries early in his career, he has proven to be worth keeping.

Entire D: our sucky secondary was badly depleted and still we held a decent offense to 17 points

Negatives:
Amerson, shame on you

Can't do epic things with a basic quarterback

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When you have to dumb down your passing game you got a QB problem.

Poor RG3, no one is chanting R G 3! R G 3! anymore.

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Are Ravens games televised in norther Virginia? Are they blacked out if the Skins are on?

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[quote=Chico23231;1095771]So ultimately if RG3 bust out, are the Skins FO and management going to hold anybody responsible for trading all the picks for him?

I know in my business there is accountability, Skins management seems to be very little.[/quote]

Good question! Everyone's talking about letting go Gruden or RGIII, but where is the fire under Bruce Allen? Although Shanny was in control, BA was part of the team that made it happen.

I ask this because of the recent report that RGIII's family's special privileges were revoked. While it is good that a positive change was made, who thought that giving RGIII and clan special privileges was a good idea in the first place?

I thought that Bruce was supposed to be the "professional" that kept such nonsense from happening. I thought that Bruce was supposed to be the "professional" who would realize his own limitations and hire a real GM.

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[quote=Lotus;1095826]Good question! Everyone's talking about letting go Gruden or RGIII, but where is the fire under Bruce Allen? Although Shanny was in control, BA was part of the team that made it happen.

I ask this because of the recent report that RGIII's family's special privileges were revoked. While it is good that a positive change was made, who thought that giving RGIII and clan special privileges was a good idea in the first place?

I thought that Bruce was supposed to be the "professional" that kept such nonsense from happening. I thought that Bruce was supposed to be the "professional" who would realize his own limitations and hire a real GM.[/quote]


As long as Snyder is in charge accountability can only be achieved through the fans. Don't buy Skins merchandise or tickets. It's that simple.

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[quote=Lotus;1095826]Good question! Everyone's talking about letting go Gruden or RGIII, but where is the fire under Bruce Allen? Although Shanny was in control, BA was part of the team that made it happen.

I ask this because of the recent report that RGIII's family's special privileges were revoked. While it is good that a positive change was made, who thought that giving RGIII and clan special privileges was a good idea in the first place?

I thought that Bruce was supposed to be the "professional" that kept such nonsense from happening. I thought that Bruce was supposed to be the "professional" who would realize his own limitations and hire a real GM.[/quote]

I doubt BA created seperate rules for Griffin, that could only have come from one person.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1095829]I doubt BA created seperate rules for Griffin, that could only have come from one person.[/quote]

Well, that could be. But my point remains. Bruce is supposed to be the "professional" who keeps the owner somewhat in line. He gets paid a lot of money to find solutions which keep Snyder happy but don't hurt team chemistry.

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[quote=saden1;1095828]As long as Snyder is in charge accountability can only be achieved through the fans. Don't buy Skins merchandise or tickets. It's that simple.[/quote]

Totes! I don't get why anyone would by Redskins stuff at this point but they need to stop until Snyder gets his franchise on the right track.

C'mon people

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[quote=over the mountain;1095817]i think the deciding factor will be what many are saying .... a QB switch will be made when sticking with RG3 will start causing Gruden to lose the locker room ... guys like d jax and garcon will, hopefully, be constructive protesters and not destructive ones.

but .. wasnt gruden's deciding factor with cousins = when another QB gives us a better chance to win.

i just want to play out the year without a locker room blow out. as a fan, i really like watching d jax and want to see him stay for the next few years.[/quote]

From what I heard on the radio, D Jax and Garcon are very very frustrated. Garcon's frustration was obviously evident when he was asked about him throwing yesterday's only deep ball. IMO, there is no chance D Jax returns to this mess next year.

It was but it looks like the only QB that seems to give the Skins the best chance of winning is Colt (yes, its a really small sample size) and that's sad.

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[quote=Lotus;1095831]Well, that could be. But my point remains. Bruce is supposed to be the "professional" who keeps the owner somewhat in line. He gets paid a lot of money to find solutions which keep Snyder happy but don't hurt team chemistry.[/quote]

Where does it say that part of his job description is to control his boss. That is more like wishful thinking by all of us.

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[quote=davy;1095809]It must be obvious by now even to his staunchest supporters that RGIII just can't play QB in this league.

He shouldn't even suit up next week. :Flush:[/quote]

This is not correct.
RG3 was rookie of the year and an all pro.

Let RG3 be RG3 and he is a good player but probably won't last long.

The problem we have is we are trying to make him Peyton Manning or Brady.
He is not a pocket QB.

I do agree that he should sit at this point. he clearly isn't Grudens guy.

I feel JG is running him out of town so he can go with his own guy and that is disappointing.

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[quote=irish;1095835]From what I heard on the radio, D Jax and Garcon are very very frustrated. Garcon's frustration was obviously evident when he was asked about him throwing yesterday's only deep ball. IMO, there is no chance D Jax returns to this mess next year.

It was but it looks like the only QB that seems to give the Skins the best chance of winning is Colt (yes, its a really small sample size) and that's sad.[/quote]

D-Jax is on a two year contract. Has there ever been a QB who was shell shocked to making a comeback

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[quote=jamf;1095842]This is not correct.
RG3 was rookie of the year and an all pro.

Let RG3 be RG3 and he is a good player but probably won't last long.

The problem we have is we are trying to make him Peyton Manning or Brady.
He is not a pocket QB.

I do agree that he should sit at this point. he clearly isn't Grudens guy.

I feel JG is running him out of town so he can go with his own guy and that is disappointing.[/quote]

You are correct, he isnt a pocket passer but unfortunately RG3 thinks he needs to be one.

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[quote=jamf;1095842]This is not correct.
RG3 was rookie of the year and an all pro.

Let RG3 be RG3 and he is a good player but probably won't last long.

The problem we have is we are trying to make him Peyton Manning or Brady.
He is not a pocket QB.

I do agree that he should sit at this point. he clearly isn't Grudens guy.

[B]I feel JG is running him out of town so he can go with his own guy and that is disappointing[/B].[/quote]

I wonder if this is his management style or his way of dealing with the FO. If it is the latter I am okay with it. The coach should be able to decide who plays, the GM make the personnel decisions.

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My thinking is you give RGIII two more starts--Indy and the Rams. If he shows nothing by half 1 of the rams, he's pulled for Colt.

I don't see the great point of getting rid of Allen or Gruden now. Allen drafted RGIII, but that wasn't a crazy move, even with the trade, IMO. And Shanny certainly signed off on it, no doubt. Lots throughout the league certainly thought RGIII could make the transition, though the thought was it might take some time. He's not the first high pick QB to fail in the NFL! Shitty that we had to trade all that for him, no doubt. But at the time, were you really against it? Think back.

RGIII looks like he can't do it. But that does not mean we therefore have an o-line! Our tackles couldn't even slow the niners down at times. It's not that RGIII would be good with an o-line. It's worse: we don't have a qb AND we don't have an o-line, at least when it comes to passing. Which is kinda important in this league.

Let Allen try to pick up the pieces--bring in better player assessment folks, sure, but I don't see a better GM available for us in the near future. Stick with Gruden: the offense is sound, conceptually and I think he's got the right attitude and drive. And, again, who's out there to save the day right now? I don't see anyone better wanting to step in here.

Being a fan of this team is like getting kicked in the balls over and over again. I mean, our special teams captain hurt himself DOWNING A PUNT. WTF??? Oy.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/6929/donald-penn-has-been-a-raiders-bright-spot]Donald Penn has been a Raiders bright spot - Oakland Raiders Blog - ESPN[/url]

looks like donald penn is panning out for the raiders at LT (at least as of october). team friendly, no guaranteed money next year to boot.

JW - good good solid post. Unlike years past when the skins have had a dispute, it seemed the fan base would be divided in half with "haters" or "homers" (ramsey, campbell, portis)

it seems like the fan base is together in their perception of this issue (i.e. wanting vinny fired)

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1095847]I wonder if this is his management style or his way of dealing with the FO. If it is the latter I am okay with it. The coach should be able to decide who plays, the GM make the personnel decisions.[/quote]

Thats a good point. I don't think a franchise QB has been bashed harder than what JG is doing to RG3.

It will be interesting to see if Kyle and RG3 show up in Oakland or Tennessee two years as a packaged deal.
RG3 will be fully healed and rested. probably humbled too.
Kyle is in line for a HC job with what he has helped accomplish in Cleveland.

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I agree that Gruden should have kept a tight end of running back in to help Moses. That small adjustment alone might have given us a couple more completions and maybe another score.

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[quote=JWsleep;1095849]Being a fan of this team is like getting kicked in the balls over and over again.[/quote]

I don't know about you, but I'm starting to kinda like it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095856]I don't know about you, but I'm starting to kinda like it.[/quote]

you like getting kick in the balls over and over or/and watching your team get dominanted on Sunday?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095856]I don't know about you, but I'm starting to kinda like it.[/quote]

You like that JWSleep is getting repeatedly kicked in the balls? Man, tough crowd.

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Gruden can't coach, RG3 can't throw, Offensive line can't block and Defensive line can't stop.

Did I miss anything?

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Frank Gore runs for only 36 yards (2.8 avg.) and the defense can't stop anyone?

This week at least the defense is not the problem and deserves props, not putdowns. To be so depleted in the secondary and give up only 17 points is impressive.

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1095861]Gruden can't coach, RG3 can't throw, Offensive line can't block and Defensive line can't stop.

Did I miss anything?[/quote]

Yes, you missed the part about Avinash_Tyagi making ill-considered posts. :)

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[quote=Lotus;1095865]Frank Gore runs for only 36 yards (2.8 avg.) and the defense can't stop anyone?

This week at least the defense is not the problem and deserves props, not putdowns. To be so depleted in the secondary and give up only 17 points is impressive.[/quote]

Clark said that if there had been another injury in the secondary, Santana would have played corner. LOL.

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1095861]Gruden can't coach, RG3 can't throw, Offensive line can't block and Defensive line can't stop.

Did I miss anything?[/quote]


......evidently ,the game .

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Griff knows he's done here u can tell by his attitude on the field. He isn't the normal all in rg3 anymore

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1095873]Griff knows he's done here u can tell by his attitude on the field. He isn't the normal all in rg3 anymore[/quote]

And all those arguments as who would be better during the draft, RGIII or Luck.

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Yeah I knew luck was going to be good I thought griffin was as well but guess not. O well

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1095875]Yeah I knew luck was going to be good I thought griffin was as well but guess not. O well[/quote]

Very disappointing, I hope he turns it around somehow. I don't want him to be the next Akili Smith or Kordell Stewart.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1095781]You cant give up on Gruden and RG3 this early. Both need to stick around.[/QUOTE]


Griff has the rest of the season. If he continues to play the way he is playing he needs to be gone. He is showing no sign of getting it or being capable of eventually getting it. It is alarming. Losing more games because of his ineptitude at QB is not going to bring our picks back. Need to cut our losses if he does not show the ability to catch on.


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[quote=calia;1095860]You like that JWSleep is getting repeatedly kicked in the balls? Man, tough crowd.[/quote]

Of course not. I just tried to make a joke about being a Redskins fan. If you're going to get kicked in the balls each week then you might as well learn to like it. Bad attempt on my part.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1095879]Of course not. I just tried to make a perverted joke about being a Redskins fan. If you're going to get kicked in the balls each week then you might as well learn to like it. Bad attempt on my part.[/QUOTE]


I knew where you were going with that....i guess im equally as perverted.


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[quote=punch it in;1095880]I knew where you were going with that....i guess im equally as perverted.


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Apparently. We should blame Dan Snyder and initiate a class action suit.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1095881]Apparently. We should blame Dan Snyder and initiate a class action suit.[/QUOTE]


Its worth a shot. Whats the worst thing that can happen - we go on being poor, perverted Redskins fans?


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So this is a post from NC after the preseason game against the Ravens. This was so alarming to me that It was than that I started to doubt what was going on in Griffs head.

[url]http://m.imgur.com/a/yqNvK[/url]


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What happened to the good old days when a young QB that is not ready mentally to run a pro system sat on the bench and took the time to learn? Mentored by his coaches and other Qb's on the roster. It worked for Aaron Rodgers, it worked for Steve Young, it worked for our Joe Theismann and Mark Rypien and countless others.

For an NFL that profits $9 billion a year and for our team that is (what?) the second most profitable team team in the NFL; we can not wait? Why?
I guess Snyder has his panty's is a bunch?
I feel if RGIII had been given the time to sit after his ACL injury and allowed to start when he good physically and mentally ready we would most likely not be in the predicament. When I say mentally ready that means breaking him of all of his old bad habits and teaching him to run a pro system. Instead he was rushed back in.
Even now when it is clear RGIII is not mentally ready to run a Pro offense, we can not sit him because DS feels we have to WIN THE FUCKING RAMS TRADE!
Impatient little minds made this problem. Impatient little minds make it continue to happen.
RGIII is not going to play his way out to this. It takes coaching and breaking a ton of old bad habits he has had since his early playing days where he was always by far the best player on the field. Now that he is not the best player on the field and he can not win with just his athleticism he has hit a wall. NFL defenses will eat him up and spit him out until he learns to be a pro QB. .

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1095886]What happened to the good old days when a young QB that is not ready mentally to run a pro system sat on the bench and took the time to learn? Mentored by his coaches and other Qb's on the roster. It worked for Aaron Rodgers, it worked for Steve Young, it worked for our Joe Theismann and Mark Rypien and countless others.



For an NFL that profits $9 billion a year and for our team that is (what?) the second most profitable team team in the NFL, we can not wait? Why?

I guess Snyder has his panty's is a bunch?

I feel if RGIII had been given the time to sit after his ACL injury and allowed to start when he good and ready, we would most likely not be in the predicament. Instead he was rushed back in.

Even now when it is clear RGIII is not mentally ready to run a Pro offense, we can not sit him because DS feels we have to WIN THE FUCKING RAMS TRADE!

Impatient little minds made this problem. Impatient little minds make it continue to happen.

RGIII is not going to play his way out to this. It takes coaching and breaking a ton of old bad habits he has had since his early playing days where he was always by far the best player on the field. Now that he is not the best player on the field and he can not win with just his athleticism he has hit a wall. NFL defenses will eat him up and spit him out.[/QUOTE]


We dont have Favre, or Montana to mentor anyone. We have Colt Mccoy. Rypien was a success because he had a boat load of hall of famers all around him. Otherwise he was a nobody. Also Steve Young, and Rodgers are just better than Griff. Mentor or no mentor. Sad but true


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[quote=punch it in;1095887]We dont have Favre, or Montana to mentor anyone. We have Colt Mccoy. Rypien was a success because he had a boat load of hall of famers all around him. Otherwise he was a nobody. Also Steve Young, and Rodgers are just better than Griff. Mentor or no mentor. Sad but true


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You are missing the point....Give him time to learn. Don't throw him to the wolves.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1095888]You are missing the point....Give him time to learn. Don't throw him to the wolves.[/QUOTE]


Im not saying that Griff wouldnt or wont benefit from being benched. Im saying that it worked for Rodgers and Young because they were mentored by hall of famers and not Colt Mccoy. Im really just picking on the first paragraph of your post because .... Well... We arent in that situation. At all.
The rest of your post I totally agree with. I didnt want Griff playing until after the Bucs game and that was only if we were out of the playoff hunt at that point. I was never in the "gotta let him play to learn camp". I think that was and is a stupid way of going about things.


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