Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1100601]I thought Peat announced he was returning to school

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[B]It looks like they now have a top 4 pick.....maybe they will trade up and get a QB[/B][/quote]

If we are in the top 5 pick and in to our QB situation...a QB draft pick should be in the discussion. And in my opinion there is only worth 1 QB talking about.

Wouldnt Saden be thrilled

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

On the S front, here are some encouraging news and I like what I've seen:

2. One young player who will get some more playing time is Phillip Thomas. Brandon Meriweather did not practice yesterday and the word is that he will be out the last two games. Both Gruden and Jim Haslett have been impressed with him. Haslett said that Thomas really cut down on the mistakes a lot last week in his second start. Certainly nobody is willing to say that he’s the 2015 starter but it seems that he’s earning himself a shot.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1100638]If we are in the top 5 pick and in to our QB situation...a QB draft pick should be in the discussion. And in my opinion there is only worth 1 QB talking about.

Wouldnt Saden be thrilled[/quote]

Do you think that Mariota's game translates sufficiently into Gruden's offense to be worth a top pick? I don't.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

O line has to be addressed first. I dont care if put Rogers, Brady, Luck, or Wilson back there..they would all get killed

[quote=Chico23231;1100638]If we are in the top 5 pick and in to our QB situation...a QB draft pick should be in the discussion. And in my opinion there is only worth 1 QB talking about.

Wouldnt Saden be thrilled[/quote]

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1100601]I thought Peat announced he was returning to school

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[B]It looks like they now have a top 4 pick.....maybe they will trade up and get a QB[/B][/quote]

Nope. Since we beat Jax, they likely have to win more to influence our pick.

Edit:
I was wrong since strength of schedule determines things. We stand right now #5.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=VTSkins1961;1100643]O line has to be addressed first. I dont care if put Rogers, Brady, Luck, or Wilson back there..they would all get killed[/quote]

I think you easily take any one of those 4 over the best tackle in the league. without question.

If the BPA is in an area of need then you take him...Id say trenches first in need, but you need to at least do your due dillegence with the QB spot. Thats all im saying

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Lotus;1100642]Do you think that Mariota's game translates sufficiently into Gruden's offense to be worth a top pick? I don't.[/quote]

Not sure, actually didnt see alot of Mariota game this year. I think Jay will do his homework on him...like he should.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

If Phillip Thomas is starting to develop and if we can count on him, we can draft Derron Smith in the second. They have experience playing with each other. That will allow us to use the first rounder elsewhere.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Lotus;1100644]Nope. Since we beat Jax, they likely have to win more to influence our pick.[/quote]

That's not how it works tiebreaker for draft is Stength of schedule..before the game we won that with Jax..once season is over will be more clear since we have two games left with teams with winning records.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=skinsguy;1100636]nnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

it is a joke ..... I have no confidence in the staff making the right moves in the draft, or free agency

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=redskins5044;1100654]That's not how it works tiebreaker for draft is Stength of schedule..before the game we won that with Jax..once season is over will be more clear since we have two games left with teams with winning records.[/quote]

Yup, you are right.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Lotus;1100581]We likely will have a top 6 pick. You don't use such a pick on the OL except for LT, and we already have one of those. Paying two LT salaries is a cap buster. So IMO we don't draft a tackle right away.[/quote]

So what's the plan? Move down in the first round and then pick an OL?

Dallas has three young 1st Round picks playing on their OL - and they are good. We need to pick OL in the first round, too.

I don't want any more shitty Redskins third round OL picks. Hell, we should give away our third round pick for what good it does us from year to year.

I don't trust this FO to pick an OL in any round other than the first. I want a bonafide consensus stud so our FO doesn't have to think too much.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

A 1st round pick doesn't guarantee anything, many busts out there.

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If Leonard Williams is still there at say 5 then that must be a consideration surely? We will probably have a new DC and so it might be a case of "okay which young player do you want to build your future defence around?"

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1100659]So what's the plan? Move down in the first round and then pick an OL?

Dallas has three young 1st Round picks playing on their OL - and they are good. We need to pick OL in the first round, too.

I don't want any more shitty Redskins third round OL picks. Hell, we should give away our third round pick for what good it does us from year to year.

I don't trust this FO to pick an OL in any round other than the first. I want a bonafide consensus stud so our FO doesn't have to think too much.[/quote]

How about this? Leave the draft with a first round tackle and the first guard off the board:

trade back into the later first, picking up a second rounder, then:
late first: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
early second: AJ Cann, guard, South Carolina
late second (from trade): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno St.

40% of the OL overhauled before even the 40th pick

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=British Andy;1100662]If Leonard Williams is still there at say 5 then that must be a consideration surely? We will probably have a new DC and so it might be a case of "okay which young player do you want to build your future defence around?"[/quote]

I think he will be a top 3 pick, but yes I'd take him at 5 over everyone

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Lotus;1100665]How about this? Leave the draft with a first round tackle and the first guard off the board:

trade back into the later first, picking up a second rounder, then:
late first: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
early second: AJ Cann, guard, South Carolina
late second (from trade): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno St.

40% of the OL overhauled before even the 40th pick[/quote]

Like that idea but I think we could get more for trading down from #5 pick most likely than a late 2nd round pick.

[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php]Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart[/url]

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=redskins5044;1100668]Like that idea but think we could get more for trading down from #5 pick most likely than a late 2nd.[/quote]

Oh yeah, we'd better get more than just a #2. But the focus of the discussion here was on round one so I let that go for now, especially since compensation likely would include a pick or two from 2016.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Lotus;1100669]Oh yeah, we'd better get more than just a #2. But the focus of the discussion here was on round one so I let that go for now, especially since compensation likely would include a pick or two from 2016.[/quote]

Ok sorry about but that...depending on far back in 1st round it could include the other teams 1st rounder in 2016...but with our FO I don't think we would get it.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Lotus;1100665][B]How about this? Leave the draft with a first round tackle and the first guard off the board[/B]:

trade back into the later first, picking up a second rounder, then:
late first: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
early second: AJ Cann, guard, South Carolina
late second (from trade): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno St.

40% of the OL overhauled before even the 40th pick[/quote]

I would love to see that!

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Lotus;1100665]How about this? Leave the draft with a first round tackle and the first guard off the board:

trade back into the later first, picking up a second rounder, then:
late first: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
early second: AJ Cann, guard, South Carolina
late second (from trade): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno St.

40% of the OL overhauled before even the 40th pick[/quote]

What are going to do about not having a decent safety or pass rush?


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Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Hijinx;1100714]What are going to do about not having a decent safety or pass rush?


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I only posted through two rounds. Safety was one of my picks. Please look again.

As for pass rush, I would use our 3rd round pick on Trey Flowers, DE from Arkansas.

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switch to a 4-3 defense, with Kerrigan, and Hatcher as the Defensive Ends..... OLB Murphy and Riley MLB Robinson

add a great player or two to the front 7, get a good veteran FS, and draft another SS

trading down is a must, there are several great player in the top 10 worth trading up for, however it is going to take more than one or two good draft picks to turn things around.... they need 5 draft picks to contribute, and at least 5 good free agents

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1101044]switch to a 4-3 defense, with Kerrigan, and Hatcher as the Defensive Ends..... OLB Murphy and Riley MLB Robinson

add a great player or two to the front 7, get a good veteran FS, and draft another SS

trading down is a must, there are several great player in the top 10 worth trading up for, however it is going to take more than one or two good draft picks to turn things around.... they need 5 draft picks to contribute, and at least 5 good free agents[/quote]

If we switched to a 4-3 Hatcher would be a DT, not a DE

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

In 2011, didn't we trade out of the 10th pick and move down? How'd that work out? I think JJ Watt was sitting there at that spot and we lost out on that pick. Not a fan of trading back in the first round. Get the best player. Hopefully that's a dominant player. Landon Collins reminds me of Landry, great hitter, great player in the box, but can he cover Zac Ertz? Shit, that dude had like 15 catches yesterday. Not sure Collins is that guy.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1101091]In 2011, didn't we trade out of the 10th pick and move down? How'd that work out? I think JJ Watt was sitting there at that spot and we lost out on that pick. Not a fan of trading back in the first round. Get the best player. Hopefully that's a dominant player. Landon Collins reminds me of Landry, great hitter, great player in the box, but can he cover Zac Ertz? Shit, that dude had like 15 catches yesterday. Not sure Collins is that guy.[/quote]

The problem with taking the best player available is the Redskins cannot tell who he is.....New England has built their team by trading back

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[quote=Irrefutable;1101114]The problem with taking the best player available is the Redskins cannot tell who he is.....New England has built their team by trading back[/quote]

So did Bobby Beathard.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

I want a dominant lineman. Don't care which side.

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[quote=Mattyk;1101126]I want a dominant lineman. Don't care which side.[/quote]

I would much rather see us get a DT or DE rather offensive lineman in the first pick. We are alarmingly aging on the defense side of the ball and a young powerful defensive lineman would be a great installment to our young linebackers and secondary

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Bucket;1101132]I would much rather see us get a DT or DE rather offensive lineman in the first pick. We are alarmingly aging on the defense side of the ball and a young powerful defensive lineman would be a great installment to our young linebackers and secondary[/quote]

I feel like a stud RT would go a long way too. But like I said I wouldn't hate a pick from either side. We definitely need to beef up both lines.

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Skins need a Khalil Mack clone to complement Kerrigan.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Bucket;1101132]I would much rather see us get a DT or DE rather offensive lineman in the first pick. We are alarmingly aging on the defense side of the ball and a young powerful defensive lineman would be a great installment to our young linebackers and secondary[/quote]

Agree about DT or OT, and DO think we need a DE, but this franchise can't afford a bust at DE since that position is alarmingly high with them:

[URL="http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftoffensivetackles.php"]WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft - How Often Do Offensive Tackles Bust?[/URL]
[URL="http://www.footballperspective.com/which-positions-are-the-safest-to-draft-in-the-first-round/"]Which positions are the safest to draft in the first round?[/URL]

I 100% agree that we need better pass rushers, but that's a position we need to take a chance on after we've rebuilt the offensive line and defensive line.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Mattyk;1101133]I feel like a stud RT would go a long way too. But like I said I wouldn't hate a pick from either side. We definitely need to beef up both lines.[/quote]

I don't think I want to use a top 10 pick on a RT when I can get someone that can just be a wrecking ball in the backfield and allow Kerrigan to get close to 20 sacks a season.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

OL, DL, or S best player available

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=Bucket;1101139]I don't think I want to use a top 10 pick on a RT when I can get someone that can just be a wrecking ball in the backfield and allow Kerrigan to get close to 20 sacks a season.[/quote]

Kerrigan is a good player and has proven a lot to me this year... But I highly doubt he will ever be close to 20 sacks in one year.

He still is doing a great job this year and has definitely proved his worth this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;1101133]I feel like a stud RT would go a long way too. But like I said I wouldn't hate a pick from either side. We definitely need to beef up both lines.[/quote]

Top D Lineman = Leonard Williams DT/DE US reminds me of Gerald McCoy

Top O Lineman = Andrus Peat OT, Stanford

Either would make me happy.

Re: Your First round pick for the skins?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1101135]Skins need a Khalil Mack clone to complement Kerrigan.[/quote]

That would be Shane Ray from Missouri or Randy Gregory from Nebraska