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I would take McCloughan to replace Campbell. Not a full GM role, that article details his drinking problem. Sounds like he flamed out.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1102175]I say the Redskins bring back Morocco Brown and make him the GM, he is a hot candidate out there and knows this team well.[/quote]

Really like this idea.

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i know that a lot of FA decisions were made or influenced by the DS and not brown.....

but wasnt morocco brown the pro scout for us from 2008 to 2013 = had a big part in bringing in bust FAs.

fat Al was signed in 2009. that was on brown's watch.

he gets some blame either way from me. either he endorsed bad FA signings or he lacked the stones to tell the DS "no".

either way, how is making former lackey Brown going to change the croony culture we are trying to get away from?

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Whoever signed Jason Hatcher probably wants to resign Orakpo.

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[quote=over the mountain;1102274]i know that a lot of FA decisions were made or influenced by the DS and not brown.....

but wasnt morocco brown the pro scout for us from 2008 to 2013 = had a big part in bringing in bust FAs.

fat Al was signed in 2009. that was on brown's watch.

he gets some blame either way from me. either he endorsed bad FA signings or he lacked the stones to tell the DS "no".

either way, how is making former lackey Brown going to change the croony culture we are trying to get away from?[/quote]

I'm with you OTM. As much as I respect Morocco Brown, the way to change the front office culture is to gut it and bring in newcomers who insist on a different way of doing business.

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Morocco Brown didn't leave here with glowing results.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1102281]Morocco Brown didn't leave here with glowing results.[/quote]

agreed. admittedly i dont know much about Brown .. or farmer. not sure how he doesnt get some blame for our FA and roster failures.

i do know Farmer drafted Johnny Football, which could be his death kiss.


[url=http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Cleveland-Browns-%E2%80%98better%E2%80%99-with-addition-of-VP-of-player-personnel-Morocco-Brown/7149865f-ac50-4bed-9c75-7cf1965da7d0]Cleveland Browns ‘better’ with addition of VP of player personnel Morocco Brown[/url]

Ray Farmer always knew he wanted to work alongside of Morocco Brown, and now the Cleveland Browns’ general manager is doing just that.
In hiring Brown as the Browns’ vice president of player personnel, Farmer finally is able to join forces with a former adversary for whom he developed a healthy respect when it comes to evaluating football talent.

When Farmer was a pro personnel director with the Chiefs, Brown held the same title with the Washington Redskins. Often, when Farmer would reach out to a specific free agent he was interested in signing, that player’s agent would inform Farmer he was already working out with the Redskins.
“It’s like playing battleship,” Farmer said of the competition he and Brown waged during free agency. “He kept sinking my battleship, which means he understands the game the same way I do, of guys that can play and perform in the National Football League.”

Brown certainly does. He was influential in Washington’s signing of wide receiver Pierre Garcon, who set a Redskins franchise record in receptions during the 2013 season. Other notable pro player acquisitions the Redskins made under Brown’s guidance include cornerback DeAngelo Hall and defensive lineman Jason Hatcher.

“The Browns are better today because we’ve added an exceptional evaluator of talent,” Farmer said. “In Morocco, we’re getting a tireless worker who is clearly ready for this role, as he’s had multiple GM interviews.”
The Cleveland Browns’ ground-breaking offseason extends to every part of the building.

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I know I'm repeating myself, but seriously who wanted to sign Jason Hatcher. That person should be gone. He had a history of being hurt in Dallas. We signed him, and he is a decent player, but he is hurt all the time. That guy is probably talking them in to giving Orakpo a 4 year deal also.

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I'm sure if that's a good idea. I think A.J. Smith is by far better at evaluating talent and building a roster. But that doesn't say much for him as a GM. He did a lot of good things with the Chargers, but he's made some bad decisions as well. That is why he no longer works there. I think what we need to do is really focus on finding the very best personnel guy we can find. Get rid of this 2006 Tampa Bay front office and hire a more competent one. In my honest opinion, A.J. Smith, is not the answer.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFEvWM47GK4&feature=player_embedded[/url]

Bruce Allen Interview

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Another oldschool football guy for the gentlemen's club. I'm sure AJ Smith will be good company at the dinner table with Dan and Bruce.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/31/bruce-allen-struggles-to-explain-why-he-should-keep-his-job/]Bruce Allen struggles to explain why he should keep his job | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=dmek25;1102523][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/31/bruce-allen-struggles-to-explain-why-he-should-keep-his-job/]Bruce Allen struggles to explain why he should keep his job | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

mike florio and profootball talk can suck my f*cking dick

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I think AJ would be better than Allen, if for no other reason then taking the role of GM from Allen, because It'd help with accountability. I understand that many decisions are made organizationally, but how can anyone give their best to two jobs simultaneously, I don't think they can.

I like the talent the Chargers had from AJ's tenure, but I'm not completely advocating AJ either. The Redskins need to reform the decision making structure, because it's clearly not effective as is. If he's the guy, I'm onboard.

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[quote=dmek25;1102523][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/31/bruce-allen-struggles-to-explain-why-he-should-keep-his-job/]Bruce Allen struggles to explain why he should keep his job | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

He did struggle.....it was BRUTAL!!
Available on the Skins site that cannot be named

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[quote=IrMitchell;1102515]Another oldschool football guy for the gentlemen's club. I'm sure AJ Smith will be good company at the dinner table with Dan and Bruce.[/quote]

Exactly. We never pursue the next big thing we always chase after the last big thing.

Never gonna make it trying to duplicate success other teams have had after their talent has already had their moment in the sun instead of developing our own.

It's a copy cat league. By the time the teams lagging behind catch up, the innovators are already on to something else.

Smith is rich, fat, and happy. What does he have left to prove that is worth 18 hour days?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1102633]Exactly. We never pursue the next big thing we always chase after the last big thing.

Never gonna make it trying to duplicate success other teams have had after their talent has already had their moment in the sun instead of developing our own.

It's a copy cat league. By the time the teams lagging behind catch up, the innovators are already on to something else.

Smith is rich, fat, and happy. What does he have left to prove that is worth 18 hour days?[/quote]

Don't know where you stand on Gruden? But a lot of skins fans will complain either way...when we hired Shanny we all loved it, then he started to wear on us, but in 2012 when we won division we thought we had finally found something...then 2013 happened and we all wanted a fresh up and coming coordinator, now after one season a lot of fans want to dump him. We as Skins fans are just as bad as the FO of this organization.

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[quote=redskins5044;1102635]Don't know where you stand on Gruden? But a lot of skins fans will complain either way...when we hired Shanny we all loved it, then he started to wear on us, but in 2012 when we won division we thought we had finally found something...then 2013 happened and we all wanted a fresh up and coming coordinator, now after one season a lot of fans want to dump him. We as Skins fans are just as bad as the FO of this organization.[/quote] I strongly disagree with you. The fans job is the support the team, which many of us have been doing for decades. We invest our money, time, and emotions in this team year after year. We have more than done our part. The FO on the other hand have not since Snyder brought the team. It's been one disaster after another. We're one of the most loyal and committed fanbases in football. The Redskins front office is one of the worse in the league.

People want Gruden gone because he shouldn't have been hired in the first place. He's only got three years of experience as an OC. Out of those three years his offense ranked in the top ten only once. As we can see Andy Dalton is nothing more than an average qb just like he was under Gruden. If people want Gruden gone, it's because he hasn't done a good job. More than likely Gruden will be gone by mid season.

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Bring back Charley Casserly as GM.

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[quote=skins89moss;1102637]Bring back Charley Casserly as GM.[/quote]

He would certainly be an upgrade over what we have now.

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[quote=redskins5044;1102635]Don't know where you stand on Gruden? But a lot of skins fans will complain either way...when we hired Shanny we all loved it, then he started to wear on us, but in 2012 when we won division we thought we had finally found something...then 2013 happened and we all wanted a fresh up and coming coordinator, now after one season a lot of fans want to dump him. We as Skins fans are just as bad as the FO of this organization.[/quote]

Yeah I agree. We were also "ahead of the curve" when drafting Robert. In 2012 we looked like the future and several teams have implemented parts of our 2012 offense into theirs. I am not and have not been sold on Gruden just yet but think the man deserves his opportunity.

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Shouldn't we be contacting Tom gamble today about a position within the organization? Mistake by the Eagles

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[quote=Chico23231;1102669]Shouldn't we be contacting Tom gamble today about a position within the organization? Mistake by the Eagles[/quote]

I think that would be a good idea.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102669]Shouldn't we be contacting Tom gamble today about a position within the organization? Mistake by the Eagles[/quote]

I'd love to see that happen. Sadly it probably won't.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102669]Shouldn't we be contacting Tom gamble today about a position within the organization? Mistake by the Eagles[/quote]



Things not going well up there ...........



[url=http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-front-office-discord-howie-roseman-tom-gamble-creates-concern-about-chip-kellys-future]Eagles' front-office discord creates concern about Chip Kelly's future | Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia[/url]

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Trouble in birdville?
....what a shame

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Well, let's not worry about Gamble. It's not like we need help in the front Office, or would want to grab a division rival's disgruntled employee.

Though grabbing DJax worked out well for us.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1102657]Yeah I agree. We were also "ahead of the curve" when drafting Robert. In 2012 we looked like the future and several teams have implemented parts of our 2012 offense into theirs. I am not and have not been sold on Gruden just yet but think the man deserves his opportunity.[/quote]

I pretty much echo your thoughts on Gruden. He had a terrible year this year but at times, on isolated drives, displayed flashes of brilliance.

There were a handful of drives this year where every play showed a different formation and the defense didn't have any answers and our offense looked like the Pats or Broncos.

There were a few drives this year when you watch the play calling and your screaming at the tv to hand the ball off to Alfmo because the other team hadn't stopped him yet.

Overall, I am happy we stuck with him. He is bright but his lack of experience showed at the worst of times (before the half at SF is a glaring mistake solely on the HC).

We desperately need an identity that is impossible to build while switching HC every other year. You can look at the Cincy offense and see they know what kind of Olineman they want because they all have the same look. Tall, long athletic and strong. Their TE's and receivers follow suit, tall, long, and strong. They know what they are and they build their identity over years. We on the other hand are talking about turning the ship around with this year's draft and FA.

There is inherent value in continuity. Look at Cincy and Pittsburg. They have had high highs and low lows but have stayed the course and are both in a better situation than we are.

I'm not sure if Gruden is the right guy or not but this season with this roster and this defense shouldn't be the test.

I loved the innovation 2012 brought. I was buying into Griffin's comments that he and Alfmo were gonna be another Elway/ Davis. It's a problem I have. I can't stop myself from buying into the hype with this team.

The problem, as it turned out, with our offense in 2012 is that our running/option QB didn't have the inherent slickness and common sense that Wilson or even Kapernick has.

You see those guys run out of bounds on most of their runs holding the ball in front of them to get the first down. They can hold the ball in front of them because the nearest defender is 5 yards away. Our running QB doesn't have the knack to be slippery and elusive, he was just fast and got hammered and hurt.

Since 2012, a knee surgery and dislocated ankle later, it seems like every other team, running quarterback or 6'5" stork, runs the read option better than we do.

The read option/ running qb is still a huge part of the league. All it takes to gain an advantage is to make a defender pause. One or two 6 or 7 yard untouched runs and the defense has to play honest. Even the 6'5" storks are pulling it off right now.

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Gruden has to choose what type of team he wants to the Redskins to be. Like Kyle, Jay wants to pass more than throw. Kyle matured as a play caller in DC. He changed his play calling to fit player strengths.

If I was Gruden and the plan is to keep RG3 as the Quarterback then I would double down in the running game. Trade down in the first round to pick up an additional second rounder. In the first take an OT like Ronnie Stanley or Cedric Ogbuehi. In the 2nd take FS Gerod Holliman or Derron Smith followed by RB Todd Gurley with the additional pick.

Make a free agent pickup of Iupati and Helu to be the third down back. Then I'd run that 2headed monster of Morris and Gurley, use helu in the screen game. Keep the defense honest with DJax spreading the field on the long ball play action. I'd also draft Jeff Heuerman TE from Ohio State in the 4th (soft hands and good blocker).

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[quote=skins89moss;1102637]Bring back Charley Casserly as GM.[/quote]

No thanks we don't need any more busts like Bobby Wilson,Tracy Rocker Kennard Lang and Andre Johnson either.We need someone who knows what they are doing.

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[quote=Skins1570;1102808]No thanks we don't need any more busts like Bobby Wilson,Tracy Rocker Kennard Lang and Andre Johnson either.We need someone who knows what they are doing.[/quote]
I think we had a guy here who knew what he was doing, but we let him go.

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[quote=Skins1570;1102808]No thanks we don't need any more busts like Bobby Wilson,Tracy Rocker Kennard Lang and Andre Johnson either.We need someone who knows what they are doing.[/quote]The 90's were a long miserable decade with Casserly and Norv, but in the end they built a good team. Year 1 after Casserly's dismissal, playoffs and the Skins had accumulated 3 first round picks that draft from previous transactions.

Later, with the Texans #1 overall pick, Casserly had a choice between Reggie Bush, Vince Young, and Mario Williams. He was widely criticized for choosing Williams and fired sometime soon after that. Looks to me like he made the right call, there.

If he's not too far removed from the game, Casserly might be a good choice for GM. A young hungry guy who's currently in someone else's front office may be best.

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[quote=redskins5044;1102635]Don't know where you stand on Gruden? But a lot of skins fans will complain either way...when we hired Shanny we all loved it, then he started to wear on us, but in 2012 when we won division we thought we had finally found something...then 2013 happened and we all wanted a fresh up and coming coordinator, now after one season a lot of fans want to dump him.[B] We as Skins fans are just as bad as the FO of this organization.[/B][/quote]

Once again, please stop blaming the fans. Blaming the fans is like blaming concentration camp inmates for poor conditions in the camp.

We fans don't make any decisions, so we can be as fickle and stupid as we want to be and it doesn't change a thing. We are simply the emotionally abused victims of an NFL franchise that has failed on the field.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1102826]Once again, please stop blaming the fans. [B]Blaming the fans is like blaming concentration camp inmates for poor conditions in the camp[/B].

We fans don't make any decisions, so we can be as fickle and stupid as we want to be and it doesn't change a thing. We are simply the emotionally abused victims of an NFL franchise that has failed on the field.[/quote]

that is a really good analogy. some will find it in poor taste but the message resonates with me as a reader. i may have to use that myself.

im guessing AJ Smith doesnt want to be any more involved than he already is.

faxing us report cards on players he watchs on TV as he sits in lovely Del Mar hitting golf balls along the coast at Torrey Pines ....

i lived around del mar, the most beautiful area ever. there is actually a redskins bar a block off the beach.

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Fans often act on impulse and that impulse is usually ignorant, idiotic, whatever. Redskins fans in general I find to be dumber than many other NFL fans. Maybe it's a product of just being a poor organization for so many years. And I don't mean they're dumb people. They're just dumb when it comes to the Redskins.

All that said, that's a lot of what being a fan is all about. Fans have the freedom, even the right, to be complete morons with almost zero repercussions. Ownership and the front office doesn't get that privilege

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someone woke up on the wrong side of 2015 ....

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[quote=over the mountain;1102848]someone woke up on the wrong side of 2015 ....[/quote]

LOL. I've felt this way for years and said so in the past

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102846]Fans often act on impulse and that impulse is usually ignorant, idiotic, whatever. Redskins fans in general I find to be dumber than many other NFL fans. Maybe it's a product of just being a poor organization for so many years. And I don't mean they're dumb people. They're just dumb when it comes to the Redskins.

All that said, that's a lot of what being a fan is all about. Fans have the freedom, even the right, to be complete morons with almost zero repercussions. Ownership and the front office doesn't get that privilege[/quote]

I think the Redskins Organization gives the fans a license to act ignorant, idiotic, etc.

When you speak of impulse, you can easily look at the Redskins FO decision in Snyder tenure and truely see the definition of impulse, knee jerk decisions.

The sports radio and print journalist of DC fans the flames as well. Certainly not innocent in this culture of Redskins fandom.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102854]I think the Redskins Organization gives the fans a license to act ignorant, idiotic, etc.

When you speak of impulse, you can easily look at the Redskins FO decision in Snyder tenure and truely see the definition of impulse, knee jerk decisions.

The sports radio and print journalist of DC fans the flames as well. Certainly not innocent in this culture of Redskins fandom.[/quote]

And I've said many, many times the Redskins FO too often acts like idiot fans. And as I said above, they don't have that privilege.

Your insistence of finding fault with the media at every turn baffles me. But I guess it's your opinion and you're entitled to it

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102846]Fans often act on impulse and that impulse is usually ignorant, idiotic, whatever. Redskins fans in general I find to be dumber than many other NFL fans. Maybe it's a product of just being a poor organization for so many years. And I don't mean they're dumb people. They're just dumb when it comes to the Redskins.

All that said, that's a lot of what being a fan is all about. Fans have the freedom, even the right, to be complete morons with almost zero repercussions. Ownership and the front office doesn't get that privilege[/quote]

Personally I am most dumb as a Skins fan when I desperately hope that there is some light at the end of the tunnel, and so I cling to a person that we've hired/drafted/signed as a savior. I get my hopes up and think positive thoughts which are both foolish and irrational.