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[QUOTE=bedlamVR]Can we at least wait until some of these players take to the field before we judge them . Equally can we give Gibbs time to build a team before we rip him and his plans to bits .[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you...but if we don't judge them now what will we talk about? I'd hate to wait until September to read new posts here on the Warpath

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Let's not diss Joe Gibbs like that he is still the coach that got us 3 super bowls. I mean Campbell made alot of Patrick Ramsey fans mad but get over it. I am glad we drafted a QB better than going to the free agent market getting dinosaurs. I hope we draft a QB about every 2 years keep them young and fresh you never know when you find the next Tom Brady. The patriots have drafted like 10 QB's over their super bowl run you dont find Tom Brady's by research alone you take chances the draft is a gamble. Personally i think Braylon Edwards will be the next Michael Westbrook who knows? you have to think about the team first Ramsey second. Ramsey has yet to prove anything except he's tough but in the nfl if the redskins are gonna return to prominence you need a QB that dont give up all those sacks and throw all those interceptions. Plus Campbell went undefeated in the (SEC mind you) in an offense similar to ours. Why hasn't anyone posted any interviews from Campbell gee whiz. Dont treat the guy like that yet. Lord forbid he have a season like Ramsey's last year everyone here would be ready to cut him. I'm wit Coach Gibbs on this one so shoot me.

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To all the post that say Gibbs has not given Ramsey a chance to prove himself are totaly wrong. He had prseason last year and look terrible. He had seven games last year and showed some signs of improving but nothing great. To say that signing another QB hurts his convidence then he must not have alot of convidence in himself and his skills. This is a sport that you have to prove yourself every time on the field and Ramsey has on shown flashes of a starting QB and thats all. He will have the opportunity again this year and if he cannot show he can lead this team we are forced to look in another direction. With Brunell we know he cannot lead this team to the playoffs and we had to have a QB in position if this happens. I was surprised by the pick and I hope Ramsey can show he has the tallent to lead our team.

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I know we all talk about bringing along a QB slow, but I really would like to see Campbell beat out Brunell in camp to be the #2. I'd prefer him anyday as a backup (provided Brunell really HAS lost it).

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Let's put a couple of issues to bed here.

#1, the current group of Skins WRs are not Canton-bound nor are they one of the best corps in the league. Are they a group with some potential? Sure. Let's leave it at that.

#2, If a player isn't Canton-bound, does that mean they are complete scrubs? Definitely not. Show me any NFL roster and I'll show you a large majority of that roster that is NOT Canton-bound.

#3, I know we are all draft and NFL personnel gurus ;) , but can we at least give this current draft crop a year before they are ultimately judged? Let's at least give these guys a shot to get on the field. Last year we made some questionable acquisitions in a lot of people's eyes (Griffin, Springs) and they ended up playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Overall we made some nice personnel moves last year, let's give this current group a chance to at least hit the field. That's all I ask.

I know we all play alot of Madden and we know what to look for, but for now maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt to this staff who does this for a full-time job and have been studying these players hours upon hours a day for the last few months.

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Just like you were saying Matty, the Griffin and Springs signings were questionable, and even though I wasn't on the board at the time, my current circle of friends was like "WTF, I can't believe we are signing MORE has-beens." Gibbs helped make those signings happen and it seems as though the vast majority of them have panned out. No one could predict Barrow's knee would do what it did.

I too, questioned the QB move, but it has been brought up in many posts how Gibbs is building the franchise and not just trying to "win now". I definitely agree before we have complete flipouts (offiss, you are freaking out dude:)), we trust in judgement even if it IS questionable. I too, would have liked Williams, but it seems there is a rhyme and a reason to it all when all the highly intelligent minds here have posted good arguments for it.

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Matty, you are always the voice of reason! Kudos to you my friend! I agree 100% with you!
I like the Madden comment! :-P

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Here's the difference. When Gibbs had all those great QBs - who was picking in the draft. hint: It wasn't Gibbs.

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Correction: It wasn't ONLY Gibbs. Don't think Gibbs didn't have a say so in who he wanted on the team. Maybe not as much in the early years, but after he had a couple Super Bowl appearances under his belt, to assume he never had a say so would be naive.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Correction: It wasn't ONLY Gibbs. Don't think Gibbs didn't have a say so in who he wanted on the team. Maybe not as much in the early years, but after he had a couple Super Bowl appearances under his belt, to assume he never had a say so would be naive.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

I think there's this misconception that Beathard was 100% in charge of personnel, that's just not true. Gibbs has always had a say in personnel decisions.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Exactly.

I think there's this misconception that Beathard was 100% in charge of personnel, that's just not true. Gibbs has always had a say in personnel decisions.[/QUOTE]

Just add to that, I don't think Beathard had anything to do with developing the QBs after they were drafted. That was all Gibbs and the coaching staff. So if we trusted Gibbs to develop a guy like Mark Rypien to give us at least one season of glory then why not Campbell

but don't get me wrong, I get the argument that for what we gave up Campbell better give us more than one great season

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Just add to that, I don't think Beathard had anything to do with developing the QBs after they were drafted. That was all Gibbs and the coaching staff. So if we trusted Gibbs to develop a guy like Mark Rypien to give us at least one season of glory then why not Campbell

but don't get me wrong, I get the argument that for what we gave up Campbell better give us more than one great season[/QUOTE]

Good point, I don't think it was Beathard that was coaching the QBs :)

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Just like you were saying Matty, the Griffin and Springs signings were questionable, and even though I wasn't on the board at the time, my current circle of friends was like "WTF, I can't believe we are signing MORE has-beens." Gibbs helped make those signings happen and it seems as though the vast majority of them have panned out. No one could predict Barrow's knee would do what it did.

I too, questioned the QB move, but it has been brought up in many posts how Gibbs is building the franchise and not just trying to "win now". I definitely agree before we have complete flipouts (offiss, you are freaking out dude:)), we trust in judgement even if it IS questionable. I too, would have liked Williams, but it seems there is a rhyme and a reason to it all when all the highly intelligent minds here have posted good arguments for it.[/QUOTE]


I Know! :)

But theres a reason, I am ususally, USUALLY, right on the money with my talent evaluation.

Now here's something you should know, Ramsey is a borderline genious, Brunell is a long time vet and pro bowler, and neither could run Gibbs offense. Now that is going to mean 1 of 2 things, either Gibbs offense was horrible regardless of who was behind center, or Brunell and Ramsey are just to dumb to grasp it, and may need another year of work to understand and execute it.

With that being said how long do you think it will take the wonderlik wonder to learn this system from the bench? Remember this is the day of salary cap and you can't keep a #1 on the bench for 3 to 4 years, and as I said in another post before we drafted him, he will be a long term waste of time and money, I hope everyone now understands that Brunell is our primary backup, PERIOD! There is no way this kid is getting on the field [legitamitly] for at least 2 years, at least!

Sorry if I am flipping out, but I get worked up when a team I have rooted for my whole life does something this stupid that I know will hold us back. Just like last year when I said no Brunell, he's the last QB I want in Gibbs pocket passing offense, and flipped when we gave up a pick and 43 mil, guess who was right? OFFISS, not Gibbs!

Has anyone heard 1 annalist, just 1, say what a great pick this was? Or we recieved great or even decent value for what we gave up? ANYONE?

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[QUOTE=offiss]I Know! :)

But theres a reason, I am ususally, USUALLY, right on the money with my talent evaluation.[/QUOTE]


Mel Kiper Jr, is that you?

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[QUOTE=offiss]
Has anyone heard 1 annalist, just 1, say what a great pick this was? Or we recieved great or even decent value for what we gave up? ANYONE?[/QUOTE]

[quote=Peter King from MMQB]
I think, when history judges this draft, one of the best five players in it will be Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, who went to Washington at No. 24. That isn't to say Washington did a smart thing, paying a ransom for the pick -- particularly when it already has another quarterback there who's good enough to win with and considering Joe Gibbs will be at some racetrack by the time Campbell is an experienced starter. I'm just commenting on the quality of the player. He's good.[/quote]

Kind of a backhanded compliment, but you asked..

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Actually I have heard a few analysts saying this was a great move. Not that I agree with it, but I'm OK with it.

Also, I am trusting the Skins to win the Super Bowl so the #1 pick for the Broncos next year won't mean shit. :)

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Gil Brandt likes Campbell:

[url]http://www.whnt19.com/Global/story.asp?S=3221092[/url]

As does Terry Bradshaw

CZAR'S FRONT OFFICE TAKE (from Foxsports.com): Campbell was Terry Bradshaw's favorite QB in the draft, loving the kid's big-play arm and toughness.

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The more I see reviews of Campbell. The more I think of them as "The Ramsey who can run."

"kid's big-play arm and toughness"

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Campbell is a great player, I think he's good. However, when you invest in a young talented QB, it's not a need. I remember how everyone told me how good a QB controversey would be for the team last year. Let's just learn our lesson and let Ramsey try to play without someone riding his ass.

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Like Gibbs said, if a quarterback lets stuff like this [drafting another QB] bother them, then they should not be your quarterback in the first place. So, if Ramsey is our guy, then the Campbell thing should have no effect on him.

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Yeah he said that Campbell was a player they felt was too good to pass up on and felt he can be a long term Redskin for us. Gibbs spoke highly of Campbell's size and ability to use his legs to get out of trouble. Gibbs emphasized, however, that Ramsey is the guy now to lead us to championships.

This also reminds me of when the Skins drafted Rypien back around 1987 I believe. Doug Williams was our guy, but Rypien was being groomed for our future. Once Rypien became our guy, Gibbs went out and drafted Stan Humphries to be groomed as Rypien's replacement if something happened to Mark.

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Sorry about the redundancy of the last post, I accidently quoted from Skinsfan without adding my own two cents.

I meant to say that I find the argument that Campbell was a "value pick" more than a bit disingenuous. It is not as if the Redskins were just sitting their at #25 and Campbell happened to slip to them. They traded up - and gave up quite a bit - to move into position and did so with the goal of nabbing Campbell. If they want to say that he is their guy and they just had to have him that is fine, but don't insult us all by calling it a "value pick." Also, before we go comparing the move to the aquisitions of Rypien and Humphries during Gibbs' first tenure, I would remind everyone that each of those quarterbacks were taken in the 6th Round and hardly constituted the kind of commitment that the Skins have just made to Jason Campbell.

I do think, though, that Skinsfan makes a good point by mentioning Taylor Jacobs. When he came out a few years ago many mock drafts had the Skins taking him at #13 before they dealt the pick for Coles. Obviously those predictions had something to do with Spurriers penchant for picking former Gators and other NFL teams did not think highly enough of him to snatch him up before the Redskins took him at #42, but he at least showed enough talent in college for some to think about him being a #1 pick. If he could have some sort of breakout season that would be terrific, and I would even settle for a half decent effort. I think I remember hearing someone, maybe Joe Bugel, praising his talent last season, so maybe something is there - though he certainly has not shown it on the field thus far in his career.