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Shanny sure loves to point the finger. Has he ever taken any blame at all for his time here??

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He wasn't pointing the finger at anyone. He was just giving more insight about what happened between he, Griffin and the organization. He came off as very truthful.

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Pretty clear he's pointing the finger in a big way at Snyder

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/02/18/mike-shanahan-blames-daniel-snyder-for-rgiiis-infatuation-with-being-an-aaron-rodgers-type-guy/]Mike Shanahan blames Daniel Snyder for RGIII’s infatuation with being an Aaron Rodgers-type guy - The Washington Post[/url]

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Shanahan can go suck a meat sack

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[quote=Mattyk;1107594]Shanny sure loves to point the finger. Has he ever taken any blame at all for his time here??[/quote]Where did rumors like "Haslett isn't to blame for past seasons because Shanahan kept overruling him", come from?

The culture in Redskins Park seems to have been toxic ever since Snyder bought the team. Firing Casserly and then later Schottenheimer for Cerrato early on. Reports that Gibbs did a great job "managing" Snyder when he came back. I don't blame Shanny one bit for throwing some mud back at the Redskins franchise.

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[quote=Mattyk;1107597]Pretty clear he's pointing the finger in a big way at Snyder

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/02/18/mike-shanahan-blames-daniel-snyder-for-rgiiis-infatuation-with-being-an-aaron-rodgers-type-guy/]Mike Shanahan blames Daniel Snyder for RGIII’s infatuation with being an Aaron Rodgers-type guy - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Pretty terrible if this is true. Snyder is such a f$cking piece of shit.

People say it's the curse of the name which is epic bullshit. The curse of this franchise is Dan Snyder

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I'm no fan of either Shanahan or Snyder, but it sure seems like we're all taking Shanahan's word as gospel suddenly. If Snyder sat down and did a "tell all" would we believe him?

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[quote=Mattyk;1107597]Pretty clear he's pointing the finger in a big way at Snyder

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/02/18/mike-shanahan-blames-daniel-snyder-for-rgiiis-infatuation-with-being-an-aaron-rodgers-type-guy/]Mike Shanahan blames Daniel Snyder for RGIII’s infatuation with being an Aaron Rodgers-type guy - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I think the headline there is off. He wasn't laying blame IMO. Obviously Griffin wanted to be a drop back passer. Obviously the owner wanted the same. The main problem was/is he's just not good enough to do it. You think MS was wrong in stating that? He knew Grffin couldn't do it and that's been confirmed with his play. That's why Griffin had one offense and KC had another. The truth hurts for Griffin and the pro Griffin crowd.

I've always said this about Griffin. He's a track athlete playing football. He just doesn't have QB instincts. You either have that or you don't. They can coach him up all they want, but he'll never be great at the drop back game.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1107609]I'm no fan of either Shanahan or Snyder, but it sure seems like we're all taking Shanahan's word as gospel suddenly. If Snyder sat down and did a "tell all" would we believe him?[/quote]

The stuff about Griffin was truthful. I believe him on that. Griffin even mentioned himself about wanting to be like Rodgers.

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So one part of what he said about Griffin? Again, I'm not a fan of either, but we're all suddenly so sure he's just letting it all hang out now or just trying to save a little face?

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He essentially said he was against every single bad decision the team made, under his command. If that is true, then what the heck was he doing?

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[quote=Evilgrin;1107617]He essentially said he was against every single bad decision the team made, under his command. If that is true, then what the heck was he doing?[/quote]Some of it, like Griffin not being all in, seemed true, but it's hard to imagine a head coach helplessly wringing his hands on the sideline while Dr. Andrews and his franchise QB insist on destroying himself.

Still looks like Snyder is a turd.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1107611]I think the headline there is off. He wasn't laying blame IMO. Obviously Griffin wanted to be a drop back passer. Obviously the owner wanted the same. The main problem was/is he's just not good enough to do it. You think MS was wrong in stating that? He knew Grffin couldn't do it and that's been confirmed with his play. That's why Griffin had one offense and KC had another. The truth hurts for Griffin and the pro Griffin crowd.

I've always said this about Griffin. He's a track athlete playing football. He just doesn't have QB instincts. You either have that or you don't. They can coach him up all they want, but he'll never be great at the drop back game.[/quote]

I think he said it would take five years.

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All this said, weather griffin is this, or that, we were a 3-6 team .... That won 7 straight some in dramatic or defensive fashion, the fireworks of 2012 rested on rgs legs and a two read offense that was dual threat and custom to griffin, without wat they designed for him... We may not even have this thread

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My question is why now? It has been over a year since he left Washington and now he does a tell all interview.

To me, he comes across as a person that can't take responsibility for his actions.

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[quote=Meks;1107623]All this said, weather griffin is this, or that, we were a 3-6 team .... That won 7 straight some in dramatic or defensive fashion, the fireworks of 2012 rested on rgs legs and a two read offense that was dual threat and custom to griffin, without wat they designed for him... We may not even have this thread[/quote]gotta give alfmo and garcon credit too. and our ol was good at run blocking then.

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Of course a lot of ppl balled that year, I'm being more Robert specific though

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1107624]My question is why now? It has been over a year since he left Washington and now he does a tell all interview.

[B]To me, he comes across as a person that can't take responsibility for his actions.[/B][/quote]

Bingo.

Mike Shanahan did his share in continuing to f*ck this franchise over. Can't believe some people here believe everything he says or act like he's a f*cking victim. He can go to hell for all I care.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1107611]I think the headline there is off. He wasn't laying blame IMO. Obviously Griffin wanted to be a drop back passer. Obviously the owner wanted the same. The main problem was/is he's just not good enough to do it. You think MS was wrong in stating that? He knew Grffin couldn't do it and that's been confirmed with his play. That's why Griffin had one offense and KC had another. The truth hurts for Griffin and the pro Griffin crowd.

I've always said this about Griffin. He's a track athlete playing football. He just doesn't have QB instincts. You either have that or you don't. They can coach him up all they want, but he'll never be great at the drop back game.[/quote]

When I listened to the interview I heard MS say that RG could become a pocket QB but it would take awhile so RG had to trust that the coaches were creating an offense that would give the Skins the best chance to win while slowly increasing what RG does as a drop back QB.

Unfortunately for everyone RG didnt trust his coaches to slowly develop him into a pocket QB and we know the rest of the sad story.

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Despite the fact that Jay Gruden said that RGIII is the No.1 QB going into next season, I don't think that things will work out for Robert here.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1107653]Despite the fact that Jay Gruden said that RGIII is the No.1 QB going into next season, I don't think that things will work out for Robert here.[/quote]

I think RG going into the season as the starter definitely came down from DS. I also think JG will move forward with this so that in the likely event it doesnt work out JG will be able to go back to DS and say "we tried it twice with your guy so now we are going to try my guy".

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People in general.......always want to envision that DS is behind all provocative decisions regarding the team. As heard on m&m this morning, I'd be more inclined to believe it is more an issue of reducing offseason drama And BS speculation

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[quote=Mattyk;1107597]Pretty clear he's pointing the finger in a big way at Snyder

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/02/18/mike-shanahan-blames-daniel-snyder-for-rgiiis-infatuation-with-being-an-aaron-rodgers-type-guy/]Mike Shanahan blames Daniel Snyder for RGIII’s infatuation with being an Aaron Rodgers-type guy - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I believe about 3/4ths of that interview. I do believe the part about Snyder enabling Griffin and having him go into the coaches office about plays that are unacceptable. That isn't some shit a coach makes up for no reason. In fact, he was very respectable about Robert in the interview.

The McNabb trade? Not sure I buy that, but SS has said that often times Bruce would come up to somebody and say that "you can do what you like, but Mr. Snyder strongly feels that..." statements. Could it have happened? Probably so, but more likely a piss poor move that blew up in Mike's face. The one thing that makes me believe Mike more than Dan is Mike's history with trading. When you look back, he didn't give up a bunch of picks for players. It wasn't his thing, and for it all of a sudden to start at the Skins? I do believe Dan was so enamored with Griff that he and Bruce talked Mike into that disaster of a trade.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1107656]I believe about 3/4ths of that interview. I do believe the part about Snyder enabling Griffin and having him go into the coaches office about plays that are unacceptable. That isn't some shit a coach makes up for no reason. In fact, he was very respectable about Robert in the interview.

The McNabb trade? Not sure I buy that, but SS has said that often times Bruce would come up to somebody and say that "you can do what you like, but Mr. Snyder strongly feels that..." statements. Could it have happened? Probably so, but more likely a piss poor move that blew up in Mike's face. The one thing that makes me believe Mike more than Dan is Mike's history with trading. When you look back, he didn't give up a bunch of picks for players. It wasn't his thing, and for it all of a sudden to start at the Skins? I do believe Dan was so enamored with Griff that he and Bruce talked Mike into that disaster of a trade.[/quote]

Good points, Id probably believe half of it. I think Shanny did want McNabb and was good with it. I do believe the Shanny part where he accused of Snyder of meddling because Snyder clearly has a history of that.

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How about all four sucked/suck.

Shanahan was/is obviously a big reason why this team was terrible. Allen was/is a big reason why this team sucks. Snyder was/is a big reason why this team sucks. Griffin has shown more bad than good, so he sucks.

Everyone that has run this franchise for the past 15 years has sucked and still sucks. That is why this franchise is one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1107628]Bingo.

Mike Shanahan did his share in continuing to f*ck this franchise over. Can't believe some people here believe everything he says or act like he's a f*cking victim. He can go to hell for all I care.[/quote]

I don't believe everything he says. But the stuff about Griffin I believe 100%. What part of his interview do you think he lied about?

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[quote=donofriose;1107658]How about all four sucked/suck.

Shanahan was/is obviously a big reason why this team was terrible. Allen was/is a big reason why this team sucks. Snyder was/is a big reason why this team sucks. Griffin has shown more bad than good, so he sucks.

Everyone that has run this franchise for the past 15 years has sucked and still sucks. That is why this franchise is one of the worst franchises in the NFL.[/quote]

All starts at the top, we easily have one of the worst owner in all of sports. He is the one constant.

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I'm not debating there is some truth to what Mike is saying, but my problem with him has always been he doesn't take any blame on himself.

And what's his motivation at this point to keep talking about the past? He's obviously trying to remove some of the tarnish on his name. There isn't a more convenient person to point the finger at than Snyder.

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[quote=Chico23231;1107660]All starts at the top, we easily have one of the worst owner in all of sports. He is the one constant.[/quote]

I agree.

Shanahan still deserves a lot of the blame. Just like everyone else.

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Shanahan was happy to get along when he was getting 7 million a year...

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[quote=Evilgrin;1107663]Shanahan was happy to get along when he was getting 7 million a year...[/quote]

i always wondered how much truth the rumor had that shanny wanted to quit before the seahawks playoff game.

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[quote=Mattyk;1107661]I'm not debating there is some truth to what Mike is saying, but my problem with him has always been he doesn't take any blame on himself.

And what's his motivation at this point to keep talking about the past? He's obviously trying to remove some of the tarnish on his name. There isn't a more convenient person to point the finger at than Snyder.[/quote]

And the morons in the local media are always willing to stir things up.

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I find it interesting that no one is mentioning the fact that Scot McC said in his initial presser that the team should not give up on RG3. It is very likely that his opinion on this matter has led to RG3 being named the starter by J. Gruden.

As I said, I personally don't have a problem with this, as long as the team starts to rebuild other areas of the offense, special teams, and defense. You give RG3 his final shot, and if it doesn't work you at least have the infrastructure to bring in a new QB next season.

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One thing nobody's mentioning and that's the casual way that Jay Gruden tends to answer questions. When he says we're going with Robert as the number one guy, I don't think that's intended as a firm commitment to RG3. I think it simply means that he will get the starter's reps in OTAs and minicamps, and then probably leading into training camp. But I don't think it means that Cousins is ruled out from having the opportunity to unseat Robert.

If Jay finds in training camp that Robert is still behind as a pocket passer and that Cousins looks better, I think he'll make the switch.

I think it's a very non committal thing at this point, based on the fact that he hates Cousins's woe-is-me approach when he gets intercepted, so much that Robert is the best of a bunch of very shitty options.

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I think the reason RG3 has been placed at the top of the depth chart going into next season is because of how much we invested to get him. We gave up two first rounders and a second. I don't think it's just about Snyder calling all of the shots. I think the organization as a whole want things to work out with Griffin. Keep in mind, RG3 is only 24 years old, he has time to improve as a pocket passer. I believe with time he can develop into a great qb. The problem with him is all the comes with him. He's always going to be a distraction no matter what he says or does. If he goes on facebook as says, "God loves everyone." Someone is going to have a problem it and bash him as humanly possible. Whether it's fair or not, this is the reality, RG3 comes with a lot of unwanted baggage.

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I know all of you RGIII fams will say no, but I wonder if this starting QB proclamation is more about the draft and the possibility that QB Mariota might slip to #5 and we are sending out the obvious smoke signals that we would want to trade the #5 (QB Mariota) for multiple picks? So by saying we have our QB we do not want Mariota.?.?.
I think the timing of this announcement and it being screamed loud from all media is very draft related.
Now all of you RGIII fans can tell me how wrong I am and RGIII is Gruden's (Snyder's) favorite.

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We're not drafting MM. I think Gruden is trying to make the most of a bad situation. He's stuck with Griffin for at least one more year and really can't do much about it.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1107665]i always wondered how much truth the rumor had that shanny wanted to quit before the seahawks playoff game.[/QUOTE]


He says it's BS for what it's worth.

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I think he was named the starter because you are better off having one named and getting the reps to develop. Plus this removes the media circus that would surround a competition. Trust me KC can still earn the job in the training camp and preseason

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[quote=Defensewins;1107670]I know all of you RGIII fams will say no, but I wonder if this starting QB proclamation is more about the draft and the possibility that QB Mariota might slip to #5 and we are sending out the obvious smoke signals that we would want to trade the #5 (QB Mariota) for multiple picks? So by saying we have our QB we do not want Mariota.?.?.
I think the timing of this announcement and it being screamed loud from all media is very draft related.
Now all of you RGIII fans can tell me how wrong I am and RGIII is Gruden's (Snyder's) favorite.[/quote] I don't think someone disagreeing with you has anything to do with them being a fan of RG3. The reason I disagrees with you is because RG3 status as a starter has been a hot button issue since 2013 season. I believe if we wanted someone to pay the king's ransom for Mariota. I think it would make more sense for us to give the impression that might draft him. That's just the way I see it.