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[QUOTE=skinsguy]I certainly did! Why shouldn't I have? The man knows how to win championships. Are you telling me that we shouldn't trust his judgement because of the Brunell situation? Because of Brunell, the rest of Gibbs' resume is bunk?[/QUOTE]

No! What I am saying is even Gibbs can make mistakes and that was a HUGE one. OUr year would have been completely different if Ramsey started from day one. His first two starts were against Philly and Pittsburgh on the road??? I am just saying that Gibbs puts a lot into character and Ramsey and McCants are definitely not on his good side, but both were better options last year than the players that Gibbs played. McCants at worst last year should have been the number 3 WR.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I don't disagree with what you say. And I really feel that McCants should be out there on the field, especially because he seems to have good chemistry with McCants. However, I think that Jacobs is well ahead of McCants on the depth chart going into this season and that's because the past season Jacobs put in the effort on special teams and in practice. Something that Darnerien allegedly didn't do.

If it were up to me they'd both be getting major minutes at WR. All I'm saying is that I have a feeling that Gibbs is seeing things another way[/QUOTE]

I agree with you BIG TIMe on that. Both WR should be in the game. Last year when finally Gibbs put McCants in the game they just flew down the field with him catching the majority of Ramseys passes. He must have done something in practice to upset Gibbs...

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]I certainly did! Why shouldn't I have? The man knows how to win championships. Are you telling me that we shouldn't trust his judgement because of the Brunell situation? Because of Brunell, the rest of Gibbs' resume is bunk?[/QUOTE]


He know's how to coach championship's, where does his creditabilty lie as far as building a championship? That honor until PROVEN otherwise belong's to Bobby Beathard. Gibbs has not proven he can evaluate championship calaber talent, in fact he has so far proven otherwise, and you can start in 92' with the drafting of 1 Desmond Howard! And I will say this, he went far, far, far, out on a very thin limb for Campbell.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

[quote]I have aquestion. Are we all asuming that McCants did not play special teams because he didn't want to, or did he just not fit the bill talent wise to play special teams? Facts and thoughts are welcome.[/quote]

I do believe Gibbs said that it was hard to carry 5 WRs and especially any that didn't want to play special teams. This was during a press conference where someone asked about McCants.

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[QUOTE=offiss]He know's how to coach championship's, where does his creditabilty lie as far as building a championship? That honor until PROVEN otherwise belong's to Bobby Beathard. Gibbs has not proven he can evaluate championship calaber talent, in fact he has so far proven otherwise, and you can start in 92' with the drafting of 1 Desmond Howard! And I will say this, he went far, far, far, out on a very thin limb for Campbell.[/QUOTE]


Well, Bobby Beathard is retiring as the Chargers' GM, so I say if what you say is true, then Snyder has an opportunity to gain a valuable GM.

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Beathard retired a long time ago (five years maybe) as GM of the Chargers. Lately he's been consulting with the Falcons I think.

I find it hard to believe that Gibbs just sat idly by while Beathard put the team together. He must have had some say. And everybody has misses. It's not like Desmond Howard was some major project that Gibs took a gamble on in the first round. I don't remember exactly but a lot of teams I'm sure wanted him.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Beathard retired a long time ago (five years maybe) as GM of the Chargers. Lately he's been consulting with the Falcons I think.

I find it hard to believe that Gibbs just sat idly by while Beathard put the team together. He must have had some say. And everybody has misses. It's not like Desmond Howard was some major project that Gibs took a gamble on in the first round. I don't remember exactly but a lot of teams I'm sure wanted him.[/QUOTE]


We traded 2 #1's to move up and take him, and I can say this I was yelling at that pick almost as much as I was yelling about Campbell, but we can see a trend here, overpaying for undervalued talent.

You are correct Tafkas he didn't sit idly by and that's why Beathard left, he was tired of Gibbs wanting vet's when he could bring in youth through the draft much cheaper, and probably as good or better, it's no coincidence that Gibbs left when he did, he used 2 #1's on a waste of a WR, and then jumped ship leaving us with an ageing team on it's way out.

And if you want to see a real pattern forming, when he traded up to get Desmond we needed defensive line help bad, primaraly tackles, WR wasen't a neccessity at the time, and he threw away 2#1's to upgrade his offense as we watched our D-line basically disapear the following year. Sound's a little like our draft this year doesn't it?

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

Can you post the interview where Beathard said this about Gibbs?

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[QUOTE=offiss]WR wasen't a neccessity at the time, and he threw away 2#1's to upgrade his offense as we watched our D-line basically disapear the following year. Sound's a little like our draft this year doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

Not when you consider the past two drafts we've used #1 picks for the defense, Taylor and now Rogers.

Our d-line isn't exactly in shambles right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Not when you consider the past two drafts we've used #1 picks for the defense, Taylor and now Rogers.

Our d-line isn't exactly in shambles right now.[/QUOTE]


The point was we gave up the farm for a position that we didn't have a real need at the time, to forgo a position that we did, I agree about our D-line now, but we had a different need this year and it was a WR, Although our need was also at CB which we did address with a quality pick in Rogers, we had a real chance to deal down a bit and still get a good CB and address some other need's, instead of a QB who's not NFL ready when we have a QB like Ramsey, obviously we have rehashed this and no sense getting back into at this point it's over, I just wanted to make that point about Gibbs and his willingness to overevaluate talent, I don't think theres a person here who doesn't believe we could have dealt down into the second rd and still got Campbell, but what is done is done, now we wait and hopefully Gibbs makes me look like a fool with this pick, but no matter, we still gave up to much.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

Actually Offiss, I think Campbell would have been gone within the first 5 picks of the 2nd round. CLE especially would have nabbed him I bet.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

[QUOTE=Daseal]Actually Offiss, I think Campbell would have been gone within the first 5 picks of the 2nd round. CLE especially would have nabbed him I bet.[/QUOTE]

I agree Campbell would have been gone in the second and early. Point is we did not need Campbell anyway and We certainly could have got a project that was more talented and pro ready in Adrian McPherson who went in the 5th round. I know, I know, Gibbs loves character players... BUt your teams needs should come first and if you use a 4th or 5th on McPherson it isn't like you are paying the farm for the guy and you can use a couple of years to develop him.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

With Campbell-a mobile QB of solid character-it's almost as if Gibbs was looking for a young Brunell isn't it?

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

[QUOTE=Daseal]Actually Offiss, I think Campbell would have been gone within the first 5 picks of the 2nd round. CLE especially would have nabbed him I bet.[/QUOTE]


Possibly, but my thought is no, I don't think he would have been in danger of being picked until he dropped to cincci. at 16, then possibly miami, and if cleveland didn't take him he would have fell at least into the middle rounds. But that's all speculation now.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

I agree we had other needs, but I think he would have been gone early 2nd. You're right -- it is speculation.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

[QUOTE=Daseal]I agree we had other needs, but I think he would have been gone early 2nd. You're right -- it is speculation.[/QUOTE]


Obviously Daseal my biggest gripe is in our situation we didn't need a project at QB in the first, I could have lived with it if we dealt down and grabbed him in the second knowing we could have filled our need's, I just have a bad feeling that Justin Miller and Vincent Jackson are going to be tremendous players in the NFL for a long time and we missed out.

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[QUOTE=RedskinsJunkie]No! What I am saying is even Gibbs can make mistakes and that was a HUGE one. OUr year would have been completely different if Ramsey started from day one. His first two starts were against Philly and Pittsburgh on the road??? I am just saying that Gibbs puts a lot into character and Ramsey and McCants are definitely not on his good side, but both were better options last year than the players that Gibbs played. McCants at worst last year should have been the number 3 WR.[/QUOTE]

That's very very very debatable Redskinsjunkie! The way Ramsey looked in preseason and in the games in which he came in in relief of Brunell, I cannot see any indication that things would have been better. With all of us arguing over execution, playcalling, receivers, quarterbacks,Gibbs' rust; it's plain to see that Ramsey would not have put a big enough band-Aid on our problems with offense.

Not to mention the fact that Ramsey himself said he was not ready to play at the beginning of the season - Gibbs had no choice but to put in someone he felt could run the offense better - but enough of that..we've stomped that argument into the ground here already!

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]That's very very very debatable Redskinsjunkie! The way Ramsey looked in preseason and in the games in which he came in in relief of Brunell, I cannot see any indication that things would have been better. With all of us arguing over execution, playcalling, receivers, quarterbacks,Gibbs' rust; it's plain to see that Ramsey would not have put a big enough band-Aid on our problems with offense.

Not to mention the fact that Ramsey himself said he was not ready to play at the beginning of the season - Gibbs had no choice but to put in someone he felt could run the offense better - but enough of that..we've stomped that argument into the ground here already![/QUOTE]

Really? What indication did you see in pre-season that Brunell would be any better than he was in the regular season?

Didn't Ramsey come into a game when we were in a hole against the Giant's and started moving the ball up and down the field? Something we hadn't seen from Brunell all year, and if it wasen't for an easy drop by Gardner he would have probably won that game for us, and he did all that without getting the rep's in practice because he was the #2 QB, and running Gibbs offense for the first time in meaningful action. Then guess what the following week he was back on the bench.

As for Ramsey stating he wasen't ready? At least he's honest I am still waiting for Brunells reasoning behind horrific performance, either he wasen't ready, or he's just plain bad, either way Gibbs obviously made the wrong choice at QB.

My problem with this whole issue is both Brunell and Ramsey are being scapegoated here for what I believe was Gibbs offensive problems, and playcalling, and now Gibbs is looking to another QB as if that's the problem, Sooner or later he has to look in the mirror. Ramsey deserves to be afforded the same opportunity and confidence that Gibbs showed for Brunell.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Really? What indication did you see in pre-season that Brunell would be any better than he was in the regular season?

Didn't Ramsey come into a game when we were in a hole against the Giant's and started moving the ball up and down the field? Something we hadn't seen from Brunell all year, and if it wasen't for an easy drop by Gardner he would have probably won that game for us, and he did all that without getting the rep's in practice because he was the #2 QB, and running Gibbs offense for the first time in meaningful action. Then guess what the following week he was back on the bench.

As for Ramsey stating he wasen't ready? At least he's honest I am still waiting for Brunells reasoning behind horrific performance, either he wasen't ready, or he's just plain bad, either way Gibbs obviously made the wrong choice at QB.

My problem with this whole issue is both Brunell and Ramsey are being scapegoated here for what I believe was Gibbs offensive problems, and playcalling, and now Gibbs is looking to another QB as if that's the problem, Sooner or later he has to look in the mirror. Ramsey deserves to be afforded the same opportunity and confidence that Gibbs showed for Brunell.[/QUOTE]


It's not a question of Ramsey being honest - if he said he wasn't ready to start, then he wasn't. Being able to lead a football team involves more than just physical ability...you've got to be mentally ready. Sure, Ramsey came in and moved the ball against the Giants in the first game - he also threw how many interceptions?

Before you jump to conclusions, I didn't say that Brunell looked that good in pre-season...actually I felt Hasselbeck probably should have had as much consideration to start as what Brunell and Ramsey had.

Let me put it this way: both Quarterbacks looked horrible in preseason to me. The decision probably came down to which one was more ready mentally. Performance wise, I don't believe either one of them should have started. That's the point my argument that putting Ramsey in more than likely would not have done us any favors.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy]It's not a question of Ramsey being honest - if he said he wasn't ready to start, then he wasn't. Being able to lead a football team involves more than just physical ability...you've got to be mentally ready. Sure, Ramsey came in and moved the ball against the Giants in the first game - he also threw how many interceptions?

Before you jump to conclusions, I didn't say that Brunell looked that good in pre-season...actually I felt Hasselbeck probably should have had as much consideration to start as what Brunell and Ramsey had.

Let me put it this way: both Quarterbacks looked horrible in preseason to me. The decision probably came down to which one was more ready mentally. Performance wise, I don't believe either one of them should have started. That's the point my argument that putting Ramsey in more than likely would not have done us any favors.[/QUOTE]


I agree! My point was how mentaly ready was Brunell compared to Ramsey?
As for the INT's let's face it 1 should have never happened it came after the Gardner drop and he threw 1 up for grabs late in the game, persoanlly I think the cause of those INT's was Ramsey's willingness to try to make something happen in an offense with recievers who were running easily covered routes, where as Brunell just threw the ball away.

Obviously my thought on the capability of our QB's lies with gibbs and his offense last season, and not the QB's themselves, let's face it I am not, nor ever been a big Brunell fan, but even I have to admit that Brunell is a much better QB than what we saw last season, and I believe that falls on Gibbs.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

[QUOTE=offiss]I agree! My point was how mentaly ready was Brunell compared to Ramsey?
As for the INT's let's face it 1 should have never happened it came after the Gardner drop and he threw 1 up for grabs late in the game, persoanlly I think the cause of those INT's was Ramsey's willingness to try to make something happen in an offense with recievers who were running easily covered routes, where as Brunell just threw the ball away.

Obviously my thought on the capability of our QB's lies with gibbs and his offense last season, and not the QB's themselves, let's face it I am not, nor ever been a big Brunell fan, but even I have to admit that Brunell is a much better QB than what we saw last season, and I believe that falls on Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

I think both quarterbacks suffered from mental flaws this past year. Ramsey wasn't mentally ready because he probably still had a certain amount of shell shock from the previous year, coupled with having to learn a new system. In preseason, Ramsey to me just did not look ready.

Brunell, I think he lacked the mental toughness in different way. Brunell had been out for what, a year or two with an injury? I believe overall, he knew how to manage the offense and he knew how the offense should have been ran. The problem was, I think Brunell tried to play too safe and conservative. That could be Gibbs fault, then again, it could have been Brunell wanting to make the least amount of mistakes as possible in addition to realizing he didn't have the arm he once had. In my opinion, it just looked like a quarterback who couldn't realize that his career probably ended a couple years ago.

In regards to the playcalling, yes, Gibbs wasn't the mastermind like I have known him to be in his previous stint. At times, he played it rather conservative; maybe putting too much emphasis on getting the most out of the least(running on 3rd and 4.) However, I give him the benefit of the doubt, because I haven't known any coach that can come back to a sport he has been away from for over a decade and pick up from where he left off 11 or 12 years ago. However, to ignore the fact that the execution was poor would not be wise. Even with Brunell in the game, he made some high percentage throws to our receivers only to see them drop a football that was heading between the numbers. So, it wasn't all on Joe Gibbs and it wasn't all on the players.

For the most part, I felt by season's end everything had improved. Playcalling was better, execution was better. I feel execution and playcalling go hand in hand. The reason is that when players continue to execute successfully on a consistant bases, it opens your playbook more. If your players can't execute the high percentage plays, I can't see adding a lower percentage play to be very logical or helpful. By that point, if you do, then you're gambling and guessing...which can put you in more trouble in games than keeping things simple. So, in that respect, certainly it would be on Joe Gibbs' playcalling..what choice did he have?

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Another thing to consider here is that Ramsey had to look over his shoulder for Brunell and now again this pick shows Gibbs overall distrust that Patrick can run the offense. He can do it and Gibbs needs to make his Quarterback, the field general of the football team, feel as comfortable as possible and get him to perform on the field. If Gibb's is such the magician of developing QBs then he should do it. It isn't as if Ramsey doesn't have all of the tools.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I agree! My point was how mentaly ready was Brunell compared to Ramsey?
As for the INT's let's face it 1 should have never happened it came after the Gardner drop and he threw 1 up for grabs late in the game, persoanlly I think the cause of those INT's was Ramsey's willingness to try to make something happen in an offense with recievers who were running easily covered routes, where as Brunell just threw the ball away.[/QUOTE]
Ramsey also inherited a deficit (sounds like a defense of a politician). When he made it into the game we were down 20-7, so the Giants knew we were throwing, and adjusted their defense accordingly. Brunell left in the middle of the third quarter with a hamstring strain (dance! dance!) and ramsey had 18 attempts in the remainder of the game. To compare, Brunell had (I believe) three [u]full games[/u] with fewer attempts, so that's a pretty big number for the team at that time.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Ramsey also inherited a deficit (sounds like a defense of a politician). When he made it into the game we were down 20-7, so the Giants knew we were throwing, and adjusted their defense accordingly. Brunell left in the middle of the third quarter with a hamstring strain (dance! dance!) and ramsey had 18 attempts in the remainder of the game. To compare, Brunell had (I believe) three [u]full games[/u] with fewer attempts, so that's a pretty big number for the team at that time.[/QUOTE]

HUH? Which makes it even more impressive that Ramsey was moving the ball on them when they knew he was going to throw...

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[QUOTE=RedskinsJunkie]Another thing to consider here is that Ramsey had to look over his shoulder for Brunell and now again this pick shows Gibbs overall distrust that Patrick can run the offense. He can do it and Gibbs needs to make his Quarterback, the field general of the football team, feel as comfortable as possible and get him to perform on the field. If Gibb's is such the magician of developing QBs then he should do it. It isn't as if Ramsey doesn't have all of the tools.[/QUOTE]


Gibbs named Ramsey the starter for 2005 before the 2004 season was even completed from what I remember or at least shortly after. At that point, I don't believe Ramsey was having to look over his shoulder.

Hey, Gibbs can only do so much...it's up to Ramsey to prove himself a field general and if he can't do the job, we obviously have to go to someone else who can.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

Gibbs also said Ramsey was the quarterback of the future. This pick will further shatter Ramsey's confidence.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Gibbs named Ramsey the starter for 2005 before the 2004 season was even completed from what I remember or at least shortly after. At that point, I don't believe Ramsey was having to look over his shoulder.

Hey, Gibbs can only do so much...it's up to Ramsey to prove himself a field general and if he can't do the job, we obviously have to go to someone else who can.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, but don't you think that bringing in 2 quarterbacks in 2 years with an incumbant starter could kind of screw with his head a bit??? I really think confidence is a HUGE factor in a QB. Everyone wants to compare our team lately with NE because of WR, what if every year Belichek (sp?) brought in guys to compete for Brady's job??? Again, I don't consider these guys in the same ball park right now, but Ramsey has a lot of upside and if he had some continuity in the team and coaches he would be a lot farther along than he is right now. I mean the guy when in two polar opposite directions in Offense from Spurrier to Gibbs... I think we need to give this guy a full season in Gibbs system.

Oh, and Gibbs said that Brunell was the starter for 2004 and he didn't finish the season that way ( Thank God!!!)

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I'm glad everyone is finally starting to remember what I stated when Campbell was first brought in. I know Gibbs wants people with nerves of steel, but a person can only take so much. Ramsey has officially been shafted these past couple of years.

Even so, he can put a lot of that blame on himself for not winning the job in training camp. If I were Ramsey, this is how I would think about the situation in his obviously college-educated brain:

"If they are going to pay Brunell so many millions of dollars, why WOULDN'T they start him, regardless of how he does in training camp or not?"

I mean, you don't bring someone in with that much money and not start them.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

Do you mean Ramsey's confidence is so weak that we can not have another good QB on the roster or it will 'mess with his head?
If so, get rid of him. We can not have a QB we have hold his hand and have to reassure all time for him to play well. This the NFL and you will always have competition/back ups on your team.

RedskinsJunkie said, "Everyone wants to compare our team lately with NE because of WR, what if every year Belichek (sp?) brought in guys to compete for Brady's job??? Again, I don't consider these guys in the same ball park right now, but Ramsey has a lot of upside and if he had some continuity in the team and coaches he would be a lot farther along than he is right now."

In the first SB season Brady was the backup that came in after Bledsoe got hurt, and when Bledsoe got healthy there was a huge QB controversy. Imagine having a probowl Qb (Bledsoe) on our bench that had previously led his team to the superbowl? Brady played great, the pressure did not effect him. Under your logic Ramsey would have folded like a cheap suit if he had Beldsee on his team.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Do you mean Ramsey's confidence is so weak that we can not have another good QB on the roster or it will 'mess with his head?
If so, get rid of him. We can not have a QB we have hold his hand and have to reassure all time for him to play well. This the NFL and you will always have competition/back ups on your team.

RedskinsJunkie said, "Everyone wants to compare our team lately with NE because of WR, what if every year Belichek (sp?) brought in guys to compete for Brady's job??? Again, I don't consider these guys in the same ball park right now, but Ramsey has a lot of upside and if he had some continuity in the team and coaches he would be a lot farther along than he is right now."

In the first SB season Brady was the backup that came in after Bledsoe got hurt, and when Bledsoe got healthy there was a huge QB controversy. Imagine having a probowl Qb (Bledsoe) on our bench that had previously led his team to the superbowl? Brady played great, the pressure did not effect him. Under your logic Ramsey would have folded like a cheap suit if he had Beldsee on his team.[/QUOTE]

2 different situations. Brady came in because a guy was hurt. It was a much easier decision to make when the incumbant is a) hurt b) old and c) going into a contract year. Belichek obviously didn't see that much difference in the 2 QBs to pay out the money to keep Bledsoe and he knew that he could get good value from him by trading him for picks. Ramsey/Brunell/Campbell is a completely different scenerio.

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If Ramsey's confidence is broken by some healthy competition then we don't need a player like him on the team.

I'm sure this example is going to be brought up alot in the coming months and it already has, but look at how Brees responded in San Diego. The Chargers basically left him for dead and were all set to rebuild with Rivers, but Brees responded by working his tail off in the offseason and went out and had a Pro Bowl season.

Once Ramsey stopped pouting last year he seemed to respond pretty well to the presence of Brunell, and look where it got him, instead of continuing to pout all year he was ready when called upon late in the season and he is now the starter for 2005.

Going through last year should enable him to handle the presence of Campbell just fine.

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Healthy competition is one thing, but it really seems like Gibb's doesn't want Patrick period.

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[QUOTE=RedskinsJunkie]2 different situations. Brady came in because a guy was hurt. It was a much easier decision to make when the incumbant is a) hurt b) old and c) going into a contract year. Belichek obviously didn't see that much difference in the 2 QBs to pay out the money to keep Bledsoe and he knew that he could get good value from him by trading him for picks. Ramsey/Brunell/Campbell is a completely different scenerio.[/QUOTE]

Wait you changed the subject:
You brought it up in the context of a young QB not having to look over his shoulder and not feeling confidant. Not about which QB the coach should choose or what trade value that QB has.

Regarding your points that it was easier for coach Bellichek because:
a) the incumbant is hurt
b) the incumbant is old
c) going into contract year

The old and hurt incumbant (Bledsoe) was healthy and on the sidelines and ready to go before the playoffs strated in 2001 season. Brady got hurt in the in a very close AFC Champioship game against the Steelers and Bledsoe led them to the victiory. It was a day before the SB that Bellichek decided to go with Brady after Bledsoe played so well in the Steeler game the week prior.

I was living in Boston from 2000-2004; I was there and there was a huge QB controversy leading into that first SB win in 2001. It was not an easy decision for Bellichek, the city was leaning more towards going with the vet Bledsoe. It was a very unpopular decision in Boston that he went with Brady. Despite all of this pressure, the very young 6th round draft pick (Brady) did just fine.
That is real pressure, getting picked to start the SB over a multi-probowl player and having that probowl player HEALTHY on the side line ready to go.
With Ramsey's weak confidance with Brunnell on his team, he would not have handled this situation since it is more tense.

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[QUOTE=RedskinsJunkie]Healthy competition is one thing, but it really seems like Gibb's doesn't want Patrick period.[/QUOTE]

No, he just wants to have back up incase Ramsey gets hurt or cannot handle the pressure.
Gibbs would have traded Ramsey when teams were offering high 2nd round - low 1st round picks for him last year. What did Gibbs say at that time? No, Ramsey is our future QB.

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Last season Ramsey IMO didn't have muck of a chance to see the field at the start of the season, this season he's the incombent, he will start, I agree with others if Ramseys play is hurt because we drafted a backup then he's not the QB for us. Drew Brees situation was far worse than Ramseys and he stepped up and took the bull by the horn's and so should Ramsey.

I will say this, I don't think Gibbs drafted Campbell with the intention of him being a 3 year project, I do believe Gibbs will be chopping at the bit to get Campbell some field time this season, I do believe Campbell has to see some field time this season as well, he need's to be showcased for a trade after Ramsey proves his metal this season. The one thing I will say about Gibbs great strengths of the past is to make a QB look better than he is, and in so doing extracting nice trade value out of him down the road ALA Jay Schroeder, who knows if both players step up Campbell may bring back a couple of #1's, that would help to make this draft day trade a little more palatable.

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Matty, it was pretty obvious that Brunnel wasn't taking anyones job (though he took it for too long.) Also, not all players respond the way Brees did with someone breathing down their throat. Honestly, some players aren't good at blocking that whole "Im going to lose my job" aspect. Think of it in your work place, do they have a guy sitting at the desk right behind you, just waiting for you to screw up so he can take your job? Do you get nervous when people closely inspect what you do constantly? It happens.

Why can't we give Ramsey a year where he's the starter hands down, no one to take his spot, no drama.

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

Gibbs has repeatedly said Ramsey is the starter for 2005 and beyond, the only drama is coming from the media and fans.

Besides, if Ramsey can't handle the pressure, I don't want him here, who wants a QB who can't handle pressure??

If Ramsey was one of the top QBs in the league it would be different. Problem is he hasn't earned the right to not have his job challenged.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]......Why can't we give Ramsey a year where he's the starter hands down, no one to take his spot, no drama.[/QUOTE]

I thought we already had that, is was 2003. Or does that not count for whatever reason...?

2003 QB Stats:


Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sack/Lost Rating
Patrick Ramsey 337 179 2166 53.1 6.4 14 4.2 9 2.7 64 30/206 75.8
Tim Hasselbeck 177 95 1012 53.7 5.7 5 2.8 7 4.0 40 9/44 63.6
Rod Gardner 3 2 46 66.7 15.3 2 66.7 0 0.0 36 0/0 149.3
Rob Johnson 7 5 39 71.4 5.6 0 0.0 0 0.0 14 3/15 84.8
Gibran Hamdan 2 1 7 50.0 3.5 0 0.0 0 0.0 7 1/2 58.3
Bryan Barker 1 1 3 100.0 3.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 3 0/0 79

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Forgive me for joining this discussion late, but about McCants and special teams, I have one question.

Does anyone remember Rod Gardner ever playing special teams?

I sure as hell don't. If not, why did Gardner get a free pass all last year to the starting squad while he had one good performance every 6 or 7 games, all while not playing a single time on special teams?

Re: McCants: Your thoughts?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Gibbs has repeatedly said Ramsey is the starter for 2005 and beyond, the only drama is coming from the media and fans.

Besides, if Ramsey can't handle the pressure, I don't want him here, who wants a QB who can't handle pressure??

If Ramsey was one of the top QBs in the league it would be different. Problem is he hasn't earned the right to not have his job challenged.[/QUOTE]


As much as I like Ramsey and want to see him as our starter I have to agree with Matty on this one.