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Listen, I'm not defending Winslow. His mouth is too damn big. However, the guy had a motorcycle accident. IT HAPPENS! You can be just as seriously injured in a car, but we don't make them walk to work.

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True...however I believe riding on a motorcycle has a much higher risk factor than riding in a car.

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Didn't Matt Turk get into trouble his last year here because he lied to the team about his broken finger? I think he broke it playing bball and said that he did it weight lifting or something bogus like that.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]True...however I believe riding on a motorcycle has a much higher risk factor than riding in a car.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, especially for someone who doesn't know how to ride properly or use the strap on the helmet.

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[QUOTE=offiss]All this talk about his injuries and I have yet to see anywhere the extent of his injuries, does anyone know? Will they keep him out of the lineup this season?[/QUOTE]

Everyone has been tight lipped about his injuries. Part of the reason little has come out is that there are interal injuries. Tests are needed to find out the extent of the injuries. There was swelling that the doctors wanted to wait on before they did further tests. My guess is that the public will hear something in 2-3 days but that it may be a few months before he can play or practice.

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What's he doing on a bike anyway, and with no license??

He had a helmet on but it wasn't strapped on.

Really smart kid.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx]Everyone has been tight lipped about his injuries. Part of the reason little has come out is that there are interal injuries. Tests are needed to find out the extent of the injuries. There was swelling that the doctors wanted to wait on before they did further tests. My guess is that the public will hear something in 2-3 days but that it may be a few months before he can play or practice.[/QUOTE]

Being thrown off a bike at 35 mph could cause some significant injuries. He'll be lucky to walk away with nothing but bumps and bruises.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Listen, I'm not defending Winslow. His mouth is too damn big. However, the guy had a motorcycle accident. IT HAPPENS! You can be just as seriously injured in a car, but we don't make them walk to work.[/QUOTE]

Daseal, you're struggling with the laws of probability. On which type of motor vehicle are you more likely to die or be seriously hurt:

A) Car
B) Motorcycle

The point is, why drive a motorcycle when you can just drive a car? They both get you places. He wanted to ride the motorbike because he thought it would be fun, and that's just plain stupid, because everybody knows it's not safe. This stuff doesn't "HAPPEN", it's the result of a risky decision. It's especially stupid when you have millions of dollars on the line.

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Schneed - I said earlier something like 60% of people Winslow's age have an accident on a bike. Obviously a bike has a much higher danger rate. However, you can get hurt so many ways.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What's he doing on a bike anyway, and with no helmet??

Dumb decision.[/QUOTE]


Over the last few years bikes have become another one of the must have toys for the rich boys, even the ones who know nothing about them. The model of bike he had was a pretty powerful sports bike, especially for a first time rider. My guess is he missed the brake, accelerated, hit the curb, and went a&$ over teakettle. Big guys like him are a lot less nimble on a small bike.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Schneed - I said earlier something like 60% of people Winslow's age have an accident on a bike. Obviously a bike has a much higher danger rate. However, you can get hurt so many ways.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. So why do something to increase your chances at getting hurt?

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Of course you can get hurt doing almost anything. You could trip on a flight of stairs, slam your hand in a car door, etc. But getting on a motorcycle is taking an unnecessary risk, especially when you're a professional athlete.

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I personally never thought of being on a motorcycle as that risky. I think that its that type of people and what they do on them that makes it more dangerous. One of the reasons air travel is statisticly safer than cars or bikes is that most pilots are professionals who don't take chances. In short bikes don't kill people, stupid people on bikes kill people.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx]I personally never thought of being on a motorcycle as that risky. I think that its that type of people and what they do on them that makes it more dangerous. One of the reasons air travel is statisticly safer than cars or bikes is that most pilots are professionals who don't take chances. In short bikes don't kill people, stupid people on bikes kill people.[/QUOTE]

I think the key word here is [i]stupid.[/i]

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I agree that stupid people are more likely to crash a bike... but the physics and lack of protection make bikes inherently dangerous.

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yep but what are you gonna do. lets just wait and see the extent of his injuries before we think his career is over. k2 just made a bad decision, everyone has made one at one point of their life.

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In 1985 in Manchester, CT, I saw a horrible accident.
I watched a motorcycle speed up to make a changing light at a I-84 offramp.
The light changed to red and the oncoming traffic had already started.
He hit a IROC Camaro head on and was launched at least 100 ft before landing on his head and neck.
He wasn't wearling a helmet... not that it would have helped.
It was so terrible I couldn't go to work the next day.

If he was driving a car, it would have just been a bad accident.

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EE: I know someone that saw something similar. Only a Van pulled out in front of a bike and the bike was going so fast he split right through the middle of the van, and came out the other side. Well.. Parts of him. They said they can never shake those images.

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[QUOTE=EEich]I agree that stupid people are more likely to crash a bike... but the physics and lack of protection make bikes inherently dangerous.[/QUOTE]

exactly, and that's why insurance companies only offer bare bones coverage for motorcycles.

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For some reason this story interests me. Rumor around on the Brown's forum is its a cracked rib and colasped lung behind the chest pains he complained about. Plus he had knee and shoulder injury. Both his agent and team arn't saying anything right now. This guy acted really dumb, but it would be a shame to see a career to end over this. On this page is a video of him riding the bike and of the crash scene.

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[QUOTE=davy]Can't argue with that.


Some interesting stats...

Winslow - 13 games, 60 catches, 605 yards, 10.1 yard average, 1 TD
Cooley - 10 games, 62 catches, 732 yards, 11.8 yard average, 6 TDs

Just numbers of course.[/QUOTE]


Winslow definitly runs his mouth and acts like an idiot. But the guy dominated in college. Cooley wasnt making one handed catches in triple coverage to convert 4th and 26th... Hes a TE and was drafted 6th, and that says a lot. It really is a shame this happened becuase he could have been a great TE. Running your mouth doesnt make you a bad player, just an asshole. Its a shame when this happens to people, like Jason Williams for the Bulls. I would have rather had Winslow play and start this year, and then see if Cooley could put up better numbers. Becuase then we can say we got the stud safety, and just as productive of a TE in the 3rd round

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:laughing2 :laughing2 :laughing2 Sucks to be a BROWN!! :laughing2

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i am fine and content with cooley. why waste a lot of money on k2 if cooley can get the same kind of production. cooley did a great job catching passes, if my memory serves me correct, he had six touchdown catches to lead the team. k2 isn't worth it because we got cooley a hell of a lot cheaper with the same productivity. riggo44 is absolutly right it sucks to be a brown right now because k2 could miss part of the season.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Winslow definitly runs his mouth and acts like an idiot. But the guy dominated in college. Cooley wasnt making one handed catches in triple coverage to convert 4th and 26th... Hes a TE and was drafted 6th, and that says a lot. It really is a shame this happened becuase he could have been a great TE. Running your mouth doesnt make you a bad player, just an asshole. Its a shame when this happens to people, like Jason Williams for the Bulls. I would have rather had Winslow play and start this year, and then see if Cooley could put up better numbers. Becuase then we can say we got the stud safety, and just as productive of a TE in the 3rd round[/QUOTE]


Keep in mind, you did say dominated in college. This is why our team is trying to look for character players and not just players with physical abilities. Professionalism demands both.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Keep in mind, you did say dominated in college. This is why our team is trying to look for character players and not just players with physical abilities. Professionalism demands both.[/QUOTE]


It never ceases to amaze me that teams don't learn this leason in the NFL. For example is anyone surprised about T.O.'s actions this year? How many Ricky Williams, Lawrence Phillips and Ryan Leafs does the NFL have to draft before they start looking as hard into character as they do 40 yard dash times. I say dump the wonderlic test and add some good psych tests and background checks.

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Sounds like he could possibly miss the season and he may have to pay back part of his signing bonus.

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In my mind, I had actually given him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he was actually practicing/ learning how to drive his bike, as he was in a parking lot. This story makes me realize that he's just an idiot.

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If you watch the video from the surveillance camera, you can see he was acting really wild on it for a guy with little experience. There are skid marks all over the parking lot. The camera doesn't see the wreck itself just the moments before it. This kinda backs up the point it is not the motorcycle itself that is dangerous as much as a dangerous person on a motorcycle.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]In my mind, I had actually given him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he was actually practicing/ learning how to drive his bike, as he was in a parking lot. This story makes me realize that he's just an idiot.

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No doubt, and the kind of bike he was on was definitely too much for a beginner to handle.