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I'd compare Smith to another smith, Antonio smith. Or someone like an aldon Smith just not as athletic. Just MO. I just hope he's a good player and I believe he is

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17604/joe-barry-dashon-goldson-exactly-what-you-want]Washington Redskins' Joe Barry: Dashon Goldson 'exactly what you want' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I wish we could sticky this for the next time someone gets their panties in a bunch over the 3-4 vs the 4-3...

[B]On running the 3-4:[/B] "I was a 4-3 guy for years and then the last four years in San Diego, being involved in the 3-4. That’s the thing people don’t realize: You’re in a base 3-4 about 15-18 snaps a game because the NFL has gotten to the point where it’s a sub league, meaning they’re in nickel personnel groups about 75 to 80 percent of the time. When you’re talking about a base 3-4 team or a base 4-3 team, that’s 20 percent of the game. The other 80 percent you’re in nickel, you’re in dime. So, no, I really don’t get hung up and caught up in base 4-3 or base 3-4. I learned it. I really enjoyed it the last four years and it’s a perfect fit here because we are built from a base defense to be a 3-4.”

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[quote=Mattyk;1113794][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17604/joe-barry-dashon-goldson-exactly-what-you-want]Washington Redskins' Joe Barry: Dashon Goldson 'exactly what you want' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I wish we could sticky this for the next time someone gets their panties in a bunch over the 3-4 vs the 4-3...

[B]On running the 3-4:[/B] "I was a 4-3 guy for years and then the last four years in San Diego, being involved in the 3-4. That’s the thing people don’t realize: You’re in a base 3-4 about 15-18 snaps a game because the NFL has gotten to the point where it’s a sub league, meaning they’re in nickel personnel groups about 75 to 80 percent of the time. When you’re talking about a base 3-4 team or a base 4-3 team, that’s 20 percent of the game. The other 80 percent you’re in nickel, you’re in dime. So, no, I really don’t get hung up and caught up in base 4-3 or base 3-4. I learned it. I really enjoyed it the last four years and it’s a perfect fit here because we are built from a base defense to be a 3-4.”[/quote]

Good read. I'm really hoping we hit with this Barry hire....coming from haz, he seems like a breath of fresh air, certainly a different energy who seems like he wants these guys work hard off the field and just come to play football on Sunday. Haz squad sometime seemed mentally unprepared and seemed like he his scheme was more complicated than most. I just want our d to come out, play loose and with energy.

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[quote=Chico23231;1113796]Good read. I'm really hoping we hit with this Barry hire....coming from haz, he seems like a breath of fresh air, certainly a different energy who seems like he wants these guys work hard off the field and just come to play football on Sunday. Haz squad sometime seemed mentally unprepared and seemed like he his scheme was more complicated than most. I [B]just want our d to come out, play loose and with energy[/B].[/quote]

........And pound the Shit out of every team they face
We need a guy who can't be stopped....like Manley...like Mann....like Butz
Maybe under the new regime, RK, or Smith....or PotRoast

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[quote=Mattyk;1113794][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17604/joe-barry-dashon-goldson-exactly-what-you-want]Washington Redskins' Joe Barry: Dashon Goldson 'exactly what you want' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

I wish we could sticky this for the next time someone gets their panties in a bunch over the 3-4 vs the 4-3...

[B]On running the 3-4:[/B] "I was a 4-3 guy for years and then the last four years in San Diego, being involved in the 3-4. That’s the thing people don’t realize: You’re in a base 3-4 about 15-18 snaps a game because the NFL has gotten to the point where it’s a sub league, meaning they’re in nickel personnel groups about 75 to 80 percent of the time. When you’re talking about a base 3-4 team or a base 4-3 team, that’s 20 percent of the game. The other 80 percent you’re in nickel, you’re in dime. So, no, I really don’t get hung up and caught up in base 4-3 or base 3-4. I learned it. I really enjoyed it the last four years and it’s a perfect fit here because we are built from a base defense to be a 3-4.”[/quote]

At this point who cares? Just stop someone on 3rd down and stop giving up so many big plays.

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Actually, I am aiming a bit higher, but stop someone on third would be a pleasant start.....
People get very hung up on the 3/4.....4/3 thing. He does a good job dispelling it.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/17635/redskins-ota-observations-part-2-surprises-with-the-starters]Washington Redskins OTA observations, Part 2: Surprises with starters - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

[quote=John Keim][B]One defensive surprise:[/B] Duke Ihenacho worked with the starters at strong safety ahead of free-agent signee Jeron Johnson. It seemed clear that Johnson would be the starter after he was signed. But Ihenacho has more starting experience. I’m curious to see how he plays when the pads are on; he reacted fast to the run Tuesday.

[B]Another surprise:[/B] Trevardo Williams worked with the starting unit in place of Ryan Kerrigan (out after arthroscopic knee surgery last week). Rookie Preston Smith worked with the second string. I like that he wasn’t automatically added. Also, Smith and Trent Murphy worked on the right side while Williams worked mostly on the left (there are times when they switch sides based on the offensive formation).

Third-year corner David Amerson worked with the second-team defense Tuesday. When DeAngelo Hall is healthy, I’d imagine he’ll return to the starting lineup (assuming he hasn’t lost anything because of the Achilles’ injury). Hall said in the first four weeks of the offseason, he worked with the starters whenever they were on the field. Bashaud Breeland is the No. 3 corner, it appears -- his ability to cover in the slot helps.[/quote]I think he meant Amerson worked with the first-team defense.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1112978]Our D-Line this year just looks like some nasty MFers.

[IMG]http://prod.images.redskins.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/REDSKINS/assets/images/imported/WAS/photos/clubimages/2015/05-May/temp050615_phase2_58--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.JPG?width=960&height=720[/IMG][/quote]

Who's the white guy with moobs?

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DL coach?

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[quote=SkinzWin;1113927]Who's the white guy with moobs?[/quote]

Strength and conditioning coach.

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Maybe he was confused between Steroids and Progesterone?

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Thing I'm worried about for our defense: LB's in pass coverage

Besides Keenan Robinson, all of our remaining LB's are below average in pass coverage.

Trent Murphy in coverage = no thanks
Preston Smith = haven't seen him yet, but seems to be a little too big to be any more than average in coverage
Perry Riley = we all watched last season
Ryan Kerrigan = decent in coverage, definitely not his strong point
Martrell Spaight = Everything I've read about him says he is a work in progress in pass coverage, and that was at the college level.
Jackson Jeffcoat = don't really know much about him, but seem more like a rushing specialist.

Don't really see us playing a lot of Base 3-4 that doesn't involve the OLB's not rushing the passer. I would imagine the base 3-4 will involve a lot of 5 man pass rushes, with both OLB's getting after the QB. Which leaves 1 less in coverage, but more pressure on QB.

I think we will see a good balance of 4-3, 3-4, and nickel packages.

HTTR!!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1113997]Thing I'm worried about for our defense: LB's in pass coverage

Besides Keenan Robinson, all of our remaining LB's are below average in pass coverage.

Trent Murphy in coverage = no thanks
Preston Smith = haven't seen him yet, but seems to be a little too big to be any more than average in coverage
Perry Riley = we all watched last season
Ryan Kerrigan = decent in coverage, definitely not his strong point
Martrell Spaight = Everything I've read about him says he is a work in progress in pass coverage, and that was at the college level.
Jackson Jeffcoat = don't really know much about him, but seem more like a rushing specialist.

Don't really see us playing a lot of Base 3-4 that doesn't involve the OLB's not rushing the passer. I would imagine the base 3-4 will involve a lot of 5 man pass rushes, with both OLB's getting after the QB. Which leaves 1 less in coverage, but more pressure on QB.

I think we will see a good balance of 4-3, 3-4, and nickel packages.

HTTR!![/quote]

I think our LB's will not be tasked with as much pass coverage as they did in the past Hassslett defense. With the additions in Free Agency at safety and corner our secondary's level of play and depth is improved. We in turn will be able to play more Nickel and Dime and not suffer a loss in level of play like we did in the past when we had no talent and depth in the secondary.
Our defensive line scheme change to a more attacking style combined with a greatly improved DL personnel will generate more pass rush.
LB's being hung out to dry for a long time in coverage will hopefully be a thing of the Hasslett past.

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Another lineman added to the mix

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/02/washington-signs-jerrell-powe/]Washington signs Jerrell Powe | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1113997]Thing I'm worried about for our defense: LB's in pass coverage

Besides Keenan Robinson, all of our remaining LB's are below average in pass coverage.

Trent Murphy in coverage = no thanks
Preston Smith = haven't seen him yet, but seems to be a little too big to be any more than average in coverage
Perry Riley = we all watched last season
Ryan Kerrigan = decent in coverage, definitely not his strong point
Martrell Spaight = Everything I've read about him says he is a work in progress in pass coverage, and that was at the college level.
Jackson Jeffcoat = don't really know much about him, but seem more like a rushing specialist.

Don't really see us playing a lot of Base 3-4 that doesn't involve the OLB's not rushing the passer. I would imagine the base 3-4 will involve a lot of 5 man pass rushes, with both OLB's getting after the QB. Which leaves 1 less in coverage, but more pressure on QB.

I think we will see a good balance of 4-3, 3-4, and nickel packages.

HTTR!![/quote]

This is why I'm not a fan of the 3-4. Yeah I know we're not in it all the time. But it requires your OLB's, your best pass rushers to be in space. It asks them to cover guys like McCoy or Witten.

Kerrigan should have his hand in the dirt all the time, as should Preston Smith at 270lbs. Murphy has 0 skills in coverage. I don 't think I ever saw Manley and Mann trying to cover cause it made no sense. Best rushers = hand in the dirt and get after the qb. Leave the coverage smaller athletic LB's like Monte Coleman.

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[quote=Defensewins;1114002]I think our LB's will not be tasked with as much pass coverage as they did in the past Hassslett defense. With the additions in Free Agency at safety and corner our secondary's level of play and depth is improved. We in turn will be able to play more Nickel and Dime and not suffer a loss in level of play like we did in the past when we had no talent and depth in the secondary.
Our defensive line scheme change to a more attacking style combined with a greatly improved DL personnel will generate more pass rush.
LB's being hung out to dry for a long time in coverage will hopefully be a thing of the Hasslett past.[/quote]In the past Haslett didn't use a lot of sub packages in response to certain offense personnel groupings. This often left our LBs matched up against TE/RBs. League wide the LB vs TE/RB match-up is not favorable there are a few teams with great coverage LBs but that is the expection.

Barry and Fewell both use more sub-packages with special personnel. Under Blache we did something similar with the 'cobra' package that put 3 LBs on the field and removed a LB. Under Barry I could think we will see more sub-packages in the secondary. It could be Dashon, Duke and Jeron.

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[IMG]https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-06-01_15-01-52.jpg[/IMG]^^From PFF

I think Paea or Hatcher moves to LE don't see the point in starting an inferior player in Ricky Jean.

I would put Duke at SS to start the season and let Jeron works as back-up FS just in case Dashon is really done.

I'm really rooting for Amerson to bounce back, if he plays up to his physical gifts together with Cully they can be a huge boost for the D.

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[quote=30gut;1114286][IMG]https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-06-01_15-01-52.jpg[/IMG]^^From PFF

I think Paea or Hatcher moves to LE don't see the point in starting an inferior player in Ricky Jean.

I would put Duke at SS to start the season and let Jeron works as back-up FS just in case Dashon is really done.

I'm really rooting for Amerson to bounce back, if he plays up to his physical gifts together with Cully they can be a huge boost for the D.[/quote]

Some problems with this. I definitely disagree with the shading of Keenan Robinson as orange for below average but I guess this is dependent on PFF's stat-driven stuff. Which I think is bunk.

I agree with you on Ricky Jean and in fact I don't think this at all reflects the team's intended starting defensive line. It will definitely be Hatcher, Knighton, Paea starting.

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There is zero chance that Francois starts over Hatcher.

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I also don't agree with Breeland as orange. I'd put him yellow with upside.

And Goldson rating as red/poor based on his Bucs play last year is totally fair, but also completely irrelevant. This will be a totally different scheme and he'll be utilized totally differently.

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Last year:
[IMG]https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014-depth-update-WAS.png[/IMG]

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I don't know about all this depth chart coloring book stuff...

There hasn't been much talk about Keenan this off-season but I really think he's going to have a borderline pro-bowl year. With the bolstered d-line he should find himself running around unblocked a lot.

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they rated ryan clark as a good starter? I'm not sure i'm all in on their rating system.

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[quote=That Guy;1114311]they rated ryan clark as a good starter?[/quote]Yes based off the 2013 season.

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[quote=Kindoy;1114309]I don't know about all this depth chart coloring book stuff...

There hasn't been much talk about Keenan this off-season but I really think he's going to have a borderline pro-bowl year. With the bolstered d-line he should find himself running around unblocked a lot.[/quote]
I agree about Keenan.
As long as he stays healthy I expect him to be Pro Bowl caliber every year. Very underrated player IMO.

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I think its fair to say the personnel on defense has taken huge steps forward from last year.

Up front going from: Jenkins-Cofield/Baker-Hatcher to: Paea-Knighton-Hatcher is a huge upgrade.

Corners going from: Breeland-Amerson-Biggers to: Cully-Hall-Breeland is an upgrade

ILBs: Status Quo

OLB/Edge rush: Preston Smith should add something to the pass rush

Now Safety going from: Clark-Meriweather to: Dash-Duke appears at a minimum to be an upgrade at SS with Dash at least being a push with Clark but there are reasons to believe he could be better

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In terms of projected talent levels alone, the defense clearly improved on the DL and in CB's. The LB's are a bit of a wash but may improve with Murphy and Robinson continuing there growth and with the addition of Smith.

S seems improved but it's pretty speculative at this point. Duke's coming back from an injury, Goldon's coming off a horrible couple of years, and Johnson hasn't been a regular starter. While I [I]think[/I] they are an improvement, they could end up being just a continuation of the sorry state of the D's back-end. To me, this is both the biggest question mark and the area most likely to end up sabotaging the otherwise improved defensive talent. If the safeties can't get turnovers and can't stop the big plays, one or two big plays will undo a game's worth of solid play in the trenches and force the offense to make long scoring marches.

Crossing my fingers.

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DL:We've gotten more stout against the run with proven trench guys.

LB:More of the same. I wont believe Smith's addition will add anything special to the pass rush until i see it.

CB:Going from a D to a C, IMO.

S:A Wash

So if you held a gun to my head, id say our run defense is stout in '15, but we will continue to struggle to pressure the qb, and due to our weak center field, we will get blown up down the middle 1-2 a game.

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[quote=30gut;1114340]I think its fair to say the personnel on defense has taken huge steps forward from last year.

Up front going from: Jenkins-Cofield/Baker-Hatcher to: Paea-Knighton-Hatcher is a huge upgrade.

Corners going from: Breeland-Amerson-Biggers to: Cully-Hall-Breeland is an upgrade

ILBs: Status Quo

OLB/Edge rush: Preston Smith should add something to the pass rush

Now Safety going from: Clark-Meriweather to: Dash-Duke appears at a minimum to be an upgrade at SS with Dash at least being a push with Clark but there are reasons to believe he could be better[/quote]

Not sure that ILB will stay the same. Will Compton looked really good at times last year and a new staff may be the opportunity for him to see more snaps.

I havent seen much coverage on that group during OTA's

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1114347]Not sure that ILB will stay the same. Will Compton looked really good at times last year and a new staff may be the opportunity for him to see more snaps.

I havent seen much coverage on that group during OTA's[/quote]

Like you, I sense that we'll improve at ILB this season.

Keenan Robinson could have a breakout season. He has the talent but his progress was slowed by injuries. He is only 25 years old.

Will Compton is at least a solid backup IMO.

I also have hopes that Martrell Spaight will turn out to be a good depth player at some point this season. He'll probably stick because he's a good ST player. He is a very hard worker and watches a lot of film, so I think he might be able to make himself a good player in time.

Perry Riley is a better player than most of us give him credit for being. He is weak in coverage but perhaps he won't need to cover as much in our new defense.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1114347]Not sure that ILB will stay the same.[/quote]Status Quo in as much as they didn't add new personnel that is slated to start.

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[quote=Monksdown;1114346]...So if you held a gun to my head, id say our run defense is stout in '15, but we will continue to struggle to pressure the qb, and due to our weak center field, we will get blown up down the middle 1-2 a game.[/quote]I agree with a lot of what you said. But I disagree about the lack of pressure. Stephen Paea alone adds a lot of pressure and Knighton provides interior pass rush pressure. And interior pressure or lack thereof was a major weakness in the pass rush from my view.

Not sure if you're a metrics guy (I am) but where do you think the D will rank this year say as far as rush or sacks or pressures go?

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[quote=30gut;1114377]Status Quo in as much as they didn't add new personnel that is slated to start.[/quote]

Yea, but what do you think about not drafting a QB?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1114382]Yea, but what do you think about not drafting a QB?[/quote]The discussion about the defense is dried up already? Lol

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...

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[quote=30gut;1114383]The discussion about the defense is dried up already? Lol[/quote]

Nah, I couldn't help it.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1114386]Nah, I couldn't help it.[/quote]
it....lol'd me

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Here are some defensive stats from last year:
[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2014 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

Football Outsiders Defensive Efficiency Stats:

Overall Defense: 30th

Pass Defense: 32nd Dead Dog Last

Rush Defense: 9th

I like the above FBO defensive stats because raw yards and even points doesn't completely isolate the defense from special teams and offense.

Other stats I like to judge the defense:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2014&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_SACKED]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

QB rating against: 108.3 or Dead Dog Last

YPA against: 8.2 tied w/ ATL for Dead Dog Last

Total Interceptions: 7 tied for 4th least

Sacks: 36 tied for 21st

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Hopefully, the "New Look" includes better tackling:

[quote]Zac Boyer
‏@ZacBoyer Phillip Thomas said Joe Barry told the defensive players that he's never had to work on players' tackling as much as he has this year.[/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1114441]Hopefully, the "New Look" includes better tackling:[/quote]

Tackling wasn't a focus within the haslett scheme