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Crowder's combine numbers are not indicative of his real playing speed. He's no DJax, but he'll easily be one of the fastest players on the field. His quickness and agility are unbelievable.

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I know people were talking about Kyshoen in another thread, not sure if these videos have been shared. Quality.

[YT]/watch?v=599H8GJ2Vt4[/YT]

[YT]/watch?v=JE8APataw2E[/YT]

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[quote=SirLK26;1112925]Crowder's combine numbers are not indicative of his real playing speed. He's no DJax, but he'll easily be one of the fastest players on the field. His quickness and agility are unbelievable.[/quote]I agree Crowder will probably be one of the quickest dudes on the field but easily one of the fastest? Nah, not even on our team.

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[YT]watch?v=IqawVi6-XcQ[/YT]

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[quote=SirLK26;1112904][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/nfl-draft-alabama-ol-arie-kouandjio-has-a-masters-degree-plan/2015/05/01/9f98804a-ef77-11e4-a55f-38924fca94f9_story.html"]NFL draft: Alabama OL Arie Kouandjio has a master’s degree plan - The Washington Post[/URL]



[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737195/arie-kouandjio"]Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL]



He may be fine now, but teams were probably worried about his long-range durability.[/quote]

OK thank you these are very helpful details.

Well either it didn't bother him the last two years, or he's tough as nails to fight through the pain. I guess we'll find out if it's a wear and tear issue going forward.

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[quote=30gut;1112937]I agree Crowder will probably be one of the quickest dudes on the field but easily one of the fastest? Nah, not even on our team.[/quote]

You don't need to be straight line fast from the slot, it's more important to be quick. The speed from Desean and Pierre on the outside opens up so much for Crowder. Teams will need to get up in Crowder's face to disrupt him or he'll tear them up on short slants.

And of course once they get up in his face then you have a mismatch with either Pierre or Deseaon, or Reed over the middle.

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[quote=Schneed10;1112944]You don't need to be straight line fast from the slot, it's more important to be quick. ...
[/quote]Of course, never said a receiver needed to be straight line fast. Just disagree with the statement you made that Crowder is easily one of the fastest on the team.

In my view the best thing Crowder had going from him is he didn't play in a spread so NFL routes and terminology won't be new to him.

But even more then that his quickness should be an asset in special teams punt/kick return.

If he can challenge Roberts for the slot? Awesome.

I like the kid, anyone with the last name Crowder is good with me.

[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_uLWaIpf14AkZ05jegFGv-PboFOC6mUZhqfUYzIV--U7KpdWnig[/IMG]

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/01/2015-draft-in-review-washington-redskins/[/url] Some of the good.....

[B]Round 4: Arie Kouandjio, OG, Alabama[/B]

Kouandjio is the anti-Brandon Scherff in that he doesn’t look like an athlete on the field, but he was extremely productive against the top level of college football. The Alabama left guard allowed six total pressures all season and finished behind only Laken Tomlinson in pass blocking efficiency. He has his limitations and looked labored when asked to move out into space, but he got the job done when called upon.

Depth Chart Fit: Could see him stealing a starting spot from either Shawn Lauvao or Chris Chester.

[B]Round 5: Martrell Spaight, LB, Arkansas[/B]

Came on strong as a run defender at the end of the year with four straight highly graded positively graded games to finish the season. His 11.6 run stop percentage was the 11th best at inside linebacker in the class. Spaight likely fell this far because he was a liability at times in coverage. The Arkansas linebacker’s .99 yards per coverage snap was 34th out of 41 starting inside linebackers in the draft.

Depth Chart Fit: Will push for a starting job, but likely a backup year one and a special teams player.

[B]Round 6: Kyshoen Jarrett, S, Virginia Tech[/B]

Graded out just around average against both the run and pass. More of a box safety at Virginia Tech where he spent 54% of his snaps within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage, 16% at corner, and 30% as a deep safety. Jarret’s 7.9 run stop percentage was the fourth best at the position in the draft.

Depth Chart Fit: With little talent at safety I could see him getting snaps with Dashon Goldson, Duke Ihenacho, and Jeron Johnson his competition at the position.

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[quote=30gut;1112975]Of course, never said a receiver needed to be straight line fast. Just disagree with the statement you made that Crowder is easily one of the fastest on the team.[/quote]

I didn't say that, someone else did. I was just pointing out that it's irrelevant to the discussion.

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Scott M on the Kevin and Thom show right now......
"We got Bigger and...Tougher. Win, Lose or Draw You Will [B]know[/B] you played the Redskins next year".
We have waited SOoooo long to get that kind of attitude on this team!
Wow...

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[quote=Hog1;1113027]Scott M on the Kevin and Thom show right now......
"We got Bigger and...Tougher. Win, Lose or Draw You Will [B]know[/B] you played the Redskins next year".
We have waited SOoooo long to get that kind of attitude on this team!
Wow...[/quote]

Yes. This is the biggest reason I love McCloughan. You can't judge his draft yet, but the one thing he's doing is actually LEADING. He has a vision, the coaches share it, and everything he does fits with that vision.

He says in the media we're going to be tough, physical, nasty. He and Gruden come to agreement that they need to run power running schemes, so they hire Callahan. He drafts based on attributes: tough, physical, nasty. And he keeps repeating that mantra in every meeting with the media.

His vision is fierce, intense, hard hitting. But most importantly it's not all talk, every move he makes is in that vein.

Finally we see an identity forming. An identity the team can rally around and take pride in. Finally they can say the words "I'm a Redskin" and have it actually mean something. "I'm a Redskin and I will fight you for every last inch." "I'm a Redskin and if you want to win this game, you'll have to go THROUGH me." "I'm a Redskin and I'M the hammer." "I... am... a... Redskin."

Sports are so mental. There are Xs and Os and salary cap strategies and everything else. But if you form a sense of belonging around a few guiding principles, you engender a team atmosphere and you engender camaraderie. That's the vision here, build a culture around toughness, around strength, around intimidation.

With a vision like that this team will run through an absolute fucking wall for Gruden. And we can thank McCloughan for setting us on the path.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113030]Yes. This is the biggest reason I love McCloughan. You can't judge his draft yet, but the one thing he's doing is actually LEADING. He has a vision, the coaches share it, and everything he does fits with that vision.

He says in the media we're going to be tough, physical, nasty. He and Gruden come to agreement that they need to run power running schemes, so they hire Callahan. He drafts based on attributes: tough, physical, nasty. And he keeps repeating that mantra in every meeting with the media.

His vision is fierce, intense, hard hitting. But most importantly it's not all talk, every move he makes is in that vein.

Finally we see an identity forming. An identity the team can rally around and take pride in. Finally they can say the words "I'm a Redskin" and have it actually mean something. "I'm a Redskin and I will fight you for every last inch." "I'm a Redskin and if you want to win this game, you'll have to go THROUGH me." "I'm a Redskin and I'M the hammer." "I... am... a... Redskin."

Sports are so mental. There are Xs and Os and salary cap strategies and everything else. But if you form a sense of belonging around a few guiding principles, you engender a team atmosphere and you engender camaraderie. That's the vision here, build a culture around toughness, around strength, around intimidation.

With a vision like that this team will run through an absolute fucking wall for Gruden. And we can thank McCloughan for setting us on the path.[/quote]

Great post. Totally agree.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113030]Yes. This is the biggest reason I love McCloughan. You can't judge his draft yet, but the one thing he's doing is actually LEADING. He has a vision, the coaches share it, and everything he does fits with that vision.

He says in the media we're going to be tough, physical, nasty. He and Gruden come to agreement that they need to run power running schemes, so they hire Callahan. He drafts based on attributes: tough, physical, nasty. And he keeps repeating that mantra in every meeting with the media.

His vision is fierce, intense, hard hitting. But most importantly it's not all talk, every move he makes is in that vein.

Finally we see an identity forming. An identity the team can rally around and take pride in. Finally they can say the words "I'm a Redskin" and have it actually mean something. "I'm a Redskin and I will fight you for every last inch." "I'm a Redskin and if you want to win this game, you'll have to go THROUGH me." "I'm a Redskin and I'M the hammer." "I... am... a... Redskin."

Sports are so mental. There are Xs and Os and salary cap strategies and everything else. But if you form a sense of belonging around a few guiding principles, you engender a team atmosphere and you engender camaraderie. That's the vision here, build a culture around toughness, around strength, around intimidation.

With a vision like that this team will run through an absolute fucking wall for Gruden. And we can thank McCloughan for setting us on the path.[/quote]

We are going back to our Gibbs I roots, which have been lost for 20+ years.

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REALLY fun time to be a Skins Fan........!

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I'm very happy with this draft. Been waiting for this attitude for years. I think we've improved quite a bit from last year. Scot is setting the kind of tone for this team that I've been waiting for. Tough, hard hitting football players. The O-Line should be better than we've seen in a very, very long time. The defense was improved in both FA and the draft. Love P. Smith! We have a bruiser at RB that can move the chains and be a factor in the red zone, and a slot receiver who can potentially be a gamechanger. Our ST's should be much improved and we have some mean, nasty MF's on our team. Scot M. was a fantastic choice for GM and all in all its been one hell of an off season. I feel good about the new coaches, the new players, and the new attitude. The Redskins have turned a HUGE corner IMO and I feel great about the future of this team. LOVE IT! HTTR!!!

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[B][SIZE="4"]@Russellmania980

#Redskins GM Scot McCloughan on @ESPNRadio980 "I'm not making any changes," on the scouting staff. Says they were very impressive.[/SIZE][/B]


No changes? SO wait....you mean this whole time the scouting department was top notch yet only our GM/HCs were fucktards?


Does anybody swallow this whole? Didn't Bruce Allen say he had say so on personnel so who's to say Bruce behind this? I don't trust that fucker one bit, and it's only a matter of time before that jackass messes up a good thing. I really want to believe our scouting staff is top notch, but it's hard to when it comes to this organization.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113064][B][SIZE="4"]@Russellmania980

#Redskins GM Scot McCloughan on @ESPNRadio980 "I'm not making any changes," on the scouting staff. Says they were very impressive.[/SIZE][/B]


No changes? SO wait....you mean this whole time the scouting department was top notch yet only our GM/HCs were fucktards?


Does anybody swallow this whole? Didn't Bruce Allen say he had say so on personnel so who's to say Bruce behind this? I don't trust that fucker one bit, and it's only a matter of time before that jackass messes up a good thing. I really want to believe our scouting staff is top notch, but it's hard to when it comes to this organization.[/quote]

You can have the greatest scouting staff in the world and it wont matter when the one pulling the trigger on the pick overvalues some positions and undervalues others. With Vinny, we had a guy that didnt think the OL mattered one bit, nor wanted young players. It seemed the draft was more of a nuisance to him, he liked free agency. Shanahan seemed to think that defense didnt really matter. Allen isnt a player evaluator or team builder and needs to stick with shaking hands, getting former players involved, and dealing with things like that. McC seems to know how to build a team and what to look for in a college player.

Tickets that wont even sell for $5 can and should make the ones step back that dont need to be at the forefront of team building. If Allen wants to turn fans against him and/or the franchise, all he has to do is make sure McC cant do it his way.

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Which leaves us with this great prediction.


[B][SIZE="4"] @Russellmania980 ·

According to [url=http://FootballOutsiders.com]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis[/url] , #Redskins are projected to have the # 1 overall pick in 2016. Apparently a three-way (5-11) tiebreaker[/SIZE][/B]



:frustrated:

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......Are these the same people that predict the Cowboys will win the SB every year?

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1113035]REALLY fun time to be a Skins Fan........![/QUOTE]
It is the offseason after all.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1113030]Yes. This is the biggest reason I love McCloughan. You can't judge his draft yet, but the one thing he's doing is actually LEADING. He has a vision, the coaches share it, and everything he does fits with that vision.

He says in the media we're going to be tough, physical, nasty. He and Gruden come to agreement that they need to run power running schemes, so they hire Callahan. He drafts based on attributes: tough, physical, nasty. And he keeps repeating that mantra in every meeting with the media.

His vision is fierce, intense, hard hitting. But most importantly it's not all talk, every move he makes is in that vein.

Finally we see an identity forming. An identity the team can rally around and take pride in. Finally they can say the words "I'm a Redskin" and have it actually mean something. "I'm a Redskin and I will fight you for every last inch." "I'm a Redskin and if you want to win this game, you'll have to go THROUGH me." "I'm a Redskin and I'M the hammer." "I... am... a... Redskin."

Sports are so mental. There are Xs and Os and salary cap strategies and everything else. But if you form a sense of belonging around a few guiding principles, you engender a team atmosphere and you engender camaraderie. That's the vision here, build a culture around toughness, around strength, around intimidation.

With a vision like that this team will run through an absolute fucking wall for Gruden. And we can thank McCloughan for setting us on the path.[/QUOTE]
Shanahan brought a team vision too. Zorn wore the black and maroon proudly. Gibbs had pride in the Skins and what it meant.

Get hyped, buy into the clinches, expect 7th Rounders to be studs because a real GM drafted them.

Until they take to the field and the qb dances into sacks, or throws 4 picks in 4 minutes. Or our RBs decide to fumble in the end zone cuz hey that's what skins do.

I loved the draft, I get what's being said, but at the same token we've seen year after year of new plans and this is it.

Trust but verify. Show me something new Skins.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[quote=NC_Skins;1113067]Which leaves us with this great prediction.


[B][SIZE="4"] @Russellmania980 ·

According to [url=http://FootballOutsiders.com]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis[/url] , #Redskins are projected to have the # 1 overall pick in 2016. Apparently a three-way (5-11) tiebreaker[/SIZE][/B]



:frustrated:[/quote]


Since when does 5 wins get you the top pick in the draft? They seem pretty stupid.

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yeah, i'm not all rainbows and unicorns either, but it was a decent draft and i think our top 2 picks should be starting pretty quickly, which is either good (dat talent) or bad (team stinks) or a mix of both.

i'm not ready to sell the farm to place bets on the skins, but if joe barry can't make this a top 16 defense with the help he's gotten, i'd definitely be concerned, first year or not. we bypassed some good coaches for him, so yeah, prove it. I also expect much better OL play (picks spent, good coach hired) and both of those things (average D, top 10 running game) should lessen the impact of our shaky QB play, which is still a very real issue.

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[quote=30gut;1112975]I like the kid, anyone with the last name Crowder is good with me.

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No doubt...

[img]http://images.starpulse.com/news/bloggers/684225/blog_images/justified-13.jpg[/img]

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[quote=That Guy;1113081]yeah, i'm not all rainbows and unicorns either, but it was a decent draft and i think our top 2 picks should be starting pretty quickly, which is either good (dat talent) or bad (team stinks) or a mix of both.

i'm not ready to sell the farm to place bets on the skins, but if joe barry can't make this a top 16 defense with the help he's gotten, i'd definitely be concerned, first year or not. we bypassed some good coaches for him, so yeah, prove it. I also expect much better OL play (picks spent, good coach hired) and both of those things (average D, top 10 running game) should lessen the impact of our [B]shaky QB play[/B], which is still a very real issue.[/quote]

We should be better this season but, as you suggested, taking the next step hinges on QB play. I'm trying to stay optimistic that either RGIII finally gets the hang of the position in this offense and shines or that Kirk shows that he's overcome his turnover problems and runs the offense like clockwork. If either QB steps up, we should be competitive.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1113079]Shanahan brought a team vision too. Zorn wore the black and maroon proudly. Gibbs had pride in the Skins and what it meant.

Get hyped, buy into the clinches, expect 7th Rounders to be studs because a real GM drafted them.

Until they take to the field and the qb dances into sacks, or throws 4 picks in 4 minutes. Or our RBs decide to fumble in the end zone cuz hey that's what skins do.

I loved the draft, I get what's being said, but at the same token we've seen year after year of new plans and this is it.

Trust but verify. Show me something new Skins.

Sent from my S6 Edge[/quote]

Gibbs did bring a vision, under G Williams the defense was a hard hitting monster most years. I think it was 2004 when our D was #3 overall. And he made the playoffs two years with bums at QB.

Zorn had no vision. Shanahan had one but it was not one the players could really take pride in like this. Yay, we're the finesse offensive line. Woohoo. Go us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hopeful for a good performance this year. I just finally feel like there's hope in the intermediate future. This team can get to the fringe of playoff competition (9-7, 10-6) sometime in 2016 or 2017. And if a QB finally takes off, then I really like where we're going.

I think we'll have a losing record this season. But all I can ask for given how badly we've sucked, is for us to have a bad ass nasty fighting attitude. I just want to see that nasty brawler identity develop. That will be a sign of progress, even if it comes with a 6-10 or 7-9 record.

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In the first two years of McC's tenure in Seattle, the team went 7-9. While QB appeared to be an issue for that team (QBs for Seattle 2010: an aging Hasselbeck with Clipboard Jesus as backup; 2011: Tavaris Jackson), the team focused on drafting in other areas.

In 2010 and 2011, three of their four top picks were in the offensive line: Tackles taken in each year's first round (Okung, Carpenter), and a Guard (Moffitt) taken in the 3rd round in 2011. They also drafted heavily on the defense with Thomas and Chancellor in 2010, a whole bunch of DBs (including Sherman) in 2011, and
their 2012 draft was almost all defense draft.

I really believe McC is building up our team the way that he built Seattle, by focusing on all the other areas before turning his attention to QB. I think/hope the ownership and fans are patient with the rebuilding process; and stop obsessing over the QB position. If we win next year fine, if not, we get to pick a bunch of new good players in next year draft and have the team that McC is envisioning.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1113080]Since when does 5 wins get you the top pick in the draft? They seem pretty stupid.[/quote]

It's been close. The worst teams in the 2010,2009 and 2003 seasons were 4-12, and second worst were 5-11. It could happen, but highly unlikely.

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Who are the top QB's in 2016? Christian Hackenburg? Connor Cook? None of them seem to be better than what's already here. There's no Winston or Luck in next years draft. Cardale Jones, as physically gifted as he is seems way too raw. 2016 seems to be a weak QB class. None of them to me look like 1st rounders.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1113108]Who are the top QB's in 2016? Christian Hackenburg? Connor Cook? None of them seem to be better than what's already here. There's no Winston or Luck in next years draft. Cardale Jones, as physically gifted as he is seems way too raw. 2016 seems to be a weak QB class. None of them to me look like 1st rounders.[/quote]

Hackenburg and Cook are both great prospects

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Too early to bother to even talk about it. At this point in his college career Matt Barkley looked like a sure bet for the 1st overall pick.

Have to let this season play itself out.

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[quote=Schneed10;1113110]Too early to bother to even talk about it. At this point in his college career Matt Barkley looked like a sure bet for the 1st overall pick.

Have to let this season play itself out.[/quote]

Meh on Barkley, but that does remind me, Cody Kessler at Southern Cal is another great QB prospect coming out next year. Thanks Schneed!

You should get a good look at Hackenburg this coming season at PSU, he is a great pro style QB.