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both sides feel like they're locked in a death race to the bottom.

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[quote=Mattyk;1121074]I honestly don't think any repub candidate can win[/quote]
In all honesty....who the Hell can the Dems field? Hillary, Bernie the Red, Honest Joe Bidon....are a joke

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[quote=Hog1;1121082]In all honesty....who the Hell can the Dems field? Hillary, Bernie the Red, Honest Joe Bidon....are a joke[/quote]

All more qualified and will win easily. Especially if the Republicans are dumb enough to force another shutdown.

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WOW......
If that is true, our country is.....done.

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[quote=Mattyk;1121074]I honestly don't think any repub candidate can win[/quote]

against Hillary, c'mon man.

The Democrats haven't even put forward a real group of candidates yet. I'ld rather have a crowded race that includes a few clowns but be narrowed than a presumed front runner who could possibly tank in the general election.

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[quote=Mattyk;1121084]All more qualified and will win easily. Especially if the Republicans are dumb enough to force another shutdown.[/quote]

All are more qualified than say Kasich - I don't think so. And I doubt any candidate, democrat or republican, wins easily.

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Hillary is a strong candidate...Biden and Bernie not so much.

Rubio could beat Hillary.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1121091]against Hillary, c'mon man.

The Democrats haven't even put forward a real group of candidates yet. I'ld rather have a crowded race that includes a few clowns but be narrowed than a presumed front runner who could possibly tank in the general election.[/quote]

Just a few clowns eh? Trump is the ring leader, kinda says it all.

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[quote=Mattyk;1121095]Just a few clowns eh? Trump is the ring leader, kinda says it all.[/quote]

There are a few clowns, but several solid politicians and non politicians alike.

As for Trump he's riding a similar wave of public dissatisfaction with the politicos that Perot did in the 90's. His shtick won't last, but he is bringing a lot of viewers that can (if they try) look past him and see actual discussions of policy.

Or people can focus on the clowns. Choose what you will.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1121097]There are a few clowns, but several solid politicians and non politicians alike.

[B]As for Trump he's riding a similar wave of public dissatisfaction with the politicos[/B] that Perot did in the 90's. His shtick won't last, but he is bringing a lot of viewers that can (if they try) look past him and see actual discussions of policy.

Or people can focus on the clowns. Choose what you will.[/quote]

Whoomp......there it is!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1121097]There are a few clowns, but several solid politicians and non politicians alike.

As for Trump he's riding a similar wave of public dissatisfaction with the politicos that Perot did in the 90's. His shtick won't last, but he is bringing a lot of viewers that can (if they try) look past him and see actual discussions of policy.

Or people can focus on the clowns. Choose what you will.[/quote]

What policies exactly? I'm asking seriously. All I heard last night is repeal Obamacare, defund planned parenthood, build a wall, and the typical outright lies.

[url=http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/factchecking-the-cnn-republican-debate/]FactChecking the CNN Republican Debate[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1121107]What policies exactly? I'm asking seriously. All I heard last night is repeal Obamacare, defund planned parenthood, build a wall, and the typical outright lies.

[url=http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/factchecking-the-cnn-republican-debate/]FactChecking the CNN Republican Debate[/url][/quote]

You get 11/12 people on a stage and the announcer asking things like "how did you feel when x said blah blah about you", and you get alot of bunk, but underlying that (and alot of people just listen to the top ground blabber because that's our society now) was some discussions of republican basics.

Liberals, who aren't going to vote for any republican anyway, may not like it - but things like not paying for Planned Parenthood, or changing/repealing Obamacare is part of the broad conservative message.

This debate wasn't intended for people who think Hillary should be president, they won't vote for any of these candidates. It was for Republicans (and Trump) to weigh in, and express where they stand regarding a wall, or the affordable care act, and defense. From that perspective the debate let those people see how each carried themselves.

Some, likely Kasich and Rubio and Fiorina, will increase their support. Some, like Rand and Walker and Huckabee, probably will lose support. The field will whittle, and debates will become more focused.

Still would rather see that, than 1 person, who probably was the role model for House of Cards, and a few minor politicos. Hopefully the democrats will actually hold some debates, and if they did, and they opened their field to their full spectrum of ideas, then you would have some serious clownage there too. But that's not how they've chosen to go forward so far.

We are 5 months from even having a single vote cast for anyone, pretty sure by the time the election comes most the clowns will be gone a decent Republican field will be running in their primaries. Right now the Democratic primaries seem like the joke. Hopefully they will put up decent candidates.

for me, i'm tired of the hacks both parties have been fielding, and I think the large pool the republicans are fielding is refreshing even if some have no shot in this world to make a serious run. From Gore/ Bush/ HClinton/ Obama & Romney - it's been a sad state of political affairs.

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trump got in a vaccines cause autism line, and the two doctors sat there without calling him on it.

clown shoes.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1121110]You get 11/12 people on a stage and the announcer asking things like "how did you feel when x said blah blah about you", and you get alot of bunk, but underlying that (and alot of people just listen to the top ground blabber because that's our society now) was some discussions of republican basics.

Liberals, who aren't going to vote for any republican anyway, may not like it - but things like not paying for Planned Parenthood, or changing/repealing Obamacare is part of the broad conservative message.

This debate wasn't intended for people who think Hillary should be president, they won't vote for any of these candidates. It was for Republicans (and Trump) to weigh in, and express where they stand regarding a wall, or the affordable care act, and defense. From that perspective the debate let those people see how each carried themselves.

Some, likely Kasich and Rubio and Fiorina, will increase their support. Some, like Rand and Walker and Huckabee, probably will lose support. The field will whittle, and debates will become more focused.

Still would rather see that, than 1 person, who probably was the role model for House of Cards, and a few minor politicos. Hopefully the democrats will actually hold some debates, and if they did, and they opened their field to their full spectrum of ideas, then you would have some serious clownage there too. But that's not how they've chosen to go forward so far.

We are 5 months from even having a single vote cast for anyone, pretty sure by the time the election comes most the clowns will be gone a decent Republican field will be running in their primaries. Right now the Democratic primaries seem like the joke. Hopefully they will put up decent candidates.

[B]for me, i'm tired of the hacks both parties have been fielding[/B], and I think the large pool the republicans are fielding is refreshing even if some have no shot in this world to make a serious run. From Gore/ Bush/ HClinton/ Obama & Romney - [B]it's been a sad state of political affairs[/B].[/quote]

It's an embarrassment....and I don't think this country can sustain another Obama

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[quote=That Guy;1121114]trump got in a vaccines cause autism line, and the two doctors sat there without calling him on it.

clown shoes.[/quote]

Carson explained it correctly. If you wanted someone to jump in with an emotional response sounding like a clown, you were disappointed then.

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I thought the worst offense was Fiorina's outright lies about the PP video. The mods should have called her BS on that.

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[quote=Mattyk;1121192]I thought the worst offense was Fiorina's outright lies about the PP video. The mods should have called her BS on that.[/quote]
.....what lies?

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[quote=Hog1;1121194].....what lies?[/quote]

[url=http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9342165/carly-fiorina-planned-parenthood]Carly Fiorina is wrong about the Planned Parenthood tapes. I know because I watched them. - Vox[/url]

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[url=http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest-columns/20150917-sharon-grigsby-did-fiorina-flat-out-lie-about-abortion-video.ece]Sharon Grigsby: Did Fiorina flat-out lie about abortion video? | Dallas Morning News[/url]

It will be interesting to see where this goes......

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[url=http://www.federaljack.com/fetal-body-parts-used-for-reseach/comment-page-1/]Fetal body parts used for research : Federal Jack[/url]

MAN...This shit is straight up ghastly..........


"To make matters doubly embarrassing for authorities, the trafficking was taking place inside abortion clinics run by Planned Parenthood, the US affiliate of New Zealand’s Family Planning organization."

"In the United States, trafficking in baby parts for profit is a criminal offense. But to get around the problem, universities and researchers pay a fee – not for the parts themselves but for the “cost of extraction”. Thus, there are different fees depending on the amount of work involved. And shipping and handling is extra."


"They were coming out alive. The doctor would either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and basically beat the fetus until it was dead.”

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Over 90% of Planned Parenthood's services focus on women's health and prevention. Why the GOP is so obsessed with telling women what they can't do with their bodies amazes me.

[url=http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money]Fact Check: How Does Planned Parenthood Spend That Government Money? : It's All Politics : NPR[/url]

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long article.....but well worth
This is ....shocking to say the......very least, Damn


The US National Institutes of Health, which funded the grisly harvesting and experiment, has refused to provide any written proof that ABR holds informed consent forms, nor has the NIH confirmed that mothers were told by ABR that organs from their dead babies would be transplanted into genetically-engineered mice.
ABR has also supplied baby hearts for transplantation into pigs, and fetal stem cells.



We asked O’Brien whether she felt modern scientists were stepping into a dark pedigree.

“Do you see a correlation between the boundaries of science and experimentation on humans in this area, and the dreams of Nazi Josef Mengele and others back in World War 2 and the kind of experiments they were conducting?”

“No.”

Mengele had taken particular interest in dissecting live infants for medical experiments.

“You see no correlation?”

There was a pause as O’Brien drew in her breath. “What you’re trying to get me to say is that research on human fetal tissue is morally and ethically wrong, and I’m not going to say that. Because obviously I’m working on the tissue. I think the information to be gained is extremely valuable and it’s not something taken in lightly. I don’t think the information I use can be interpreted and used for eugenics. The reason that we have ethics committees is so we don’t have a scientific free for all.”


It is a modern, relativistic idea that you can sacrifice the few for the good of the many. Indeed, this was one of the justifications Hitler used in whipping up hatred against Jewish, Gypsy and gay minorities. In 21st century form, the argument is more subtle: that if a cure for crippling diseases can be found by harvesting fetal organs from abortions, or growing human embryos in the laboratory for stem cell harvesting, then the deaths of those infants are justifiable because of the perceived greater good to the community at large.



At the Nuremberg War Crimes trials, evidence was presented of horrific scientific experiments being performed on cap-tives in the concentration camps. The Nazi medics on trial attempted to justify it by saying the test subjects were due to die anyway and the knowledge gained would benefit the rest of humanity.




At the Mayfair Women’s Clinic in Aurora, Colorado, staff admitted under cross examination in court that they had so many aborted babies to get rid of that clinician Dr James Parks used to put the bodies of larger babies (up to week 22) into meat grinders so the remains could be reduced to the consistency of toothpaste and flushed down sinks.

Leaked documents from inside abortion clinics have hit the headlines across the US, and they make dark reading. They’re order forms from scientists to agencies like Advanced Bio-science Resources, instructing what parts they need and how to get them.

“Dissect fetal liver and thymus and occasional lymph node from fetal cadaver within 10 (minutes of death).” “Arms and legs need not be intact.” “Intact brains preferred, but large pieces of brain may be usable.”

Or this, from a scientist studying the “Biochemical Characterization of human type X Collagen,” who requests “Whole intact leg, include entire hip joint, 22-24 weeks gest.”

The harvesting technician is asked to “dissect by cutting through symphasis pubis and include whole Illium [hip joint]. To be removed from fetal cadaver within 10 minutes.”




A division of Missouri and Illinois-based Consultative and Diagnostic Pathology Inc, Opening Lines made no bones about the fact it was in business to make money. A 20/20 producer, posing as a potential investor in the 11 year old company, visited its founder, pathologist Dr Miles Jones.

Jones, unaware he was being recorded on a hidden video camera, explained how his company obtained fetal parts from clinics across America for shipment to research labs.

“It’s market force,” Dr. Jones told the producer about how he sets his prices. “It’s what you can sell it for.” He said he was looking to set up an abortion clinic in Mexico in order to get more fetal tissue by luring women in with cut-price abortions.

“If you control the flow — it’s probably the equivalent of the invention of the assembly line.”

As to the financial benefits of his business, Jones was brutal about the demand from researchers: “If you have a guy that’s desperate for, let’s say, a heart, then he’ll pay you whatever you ask,” he said.

“That’s trading in body parts. There’s no doubt about it,” Arthur Caplan, director of the University of Pennsylvania’s Center for Bioethics, told the Alberta Report newspaper after reviewing Jones’ statements.

The Opening Lines corporate brochure reads more like a supermarket advertisement than an ethical, dignified approach to the death of a baby.

“The freshest tissue prepared to your specifications and delivered in the quantities you need it.”




Based on Linda Tracy’s interview with Investigate, it now appears certain that no donating mother gave informed consent for her baby’s body parts to be transplanted into human/mouse hybrids, or injected into the veins of rats. Little wonder the US Government National Institutes of Health refused to release informed consent forms from ABR regarding those projects.

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[quote=Mattyk;1121202]Over 90% of Planned Parenthood's services focus on women's health and prevention. Why the GOP is so obsessed with telling women what they can't do with their bodies amazes me.

[URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money"]Fact Check: How Does Planned Parenthood Spend That Government Money? : It's All Politics : NPR[/URL][/quote]



I think they are concerned about killing babies?? are you?
like a million a year in this county for convenience sake....nice

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Well, it's not as bad as I thought. PP....only does about 300k abortions a year. THAT would only fill FedEx Field about 4 times.....
Good news there

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[quote=Hog1;1121205]I think they are concerned about killing babies?? are you?
like a million a year in this county for convenience sake....nice[/quote]

Sorry I'm pro choice.

I find it funny they don't want to "kill babies", but they don't want to support them either. Can't have it both ways. Similar to the wage issue, they don't want to pay livable wages, yet they don't want to expand welfare.

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[quote=Mattyk;1121207]Sorry I'm pro choice.

I find it funny they don't want to "kill babies", but they don't want to support them either. Can't have it both ways. Similar to the wage issue, they don't want to pay livable wages, yet they don't want to expand welfare.[/quote]
I think you mean Pro Convenience.
Let's call it what is in simplest form. We are killing a million babies a year for no better reason than the failure to wear a dollar condom......solid reasoning. Not quite as....clean as "Pro Choice"
Oh.....I forgot, hacking them to pieces and selling their body parts to the highest bidder as well.
Oh BTW, I'm on the fence with Pro life/choice, but something has to change

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Enough with the theatrics. "Babies" aren't being killed and they certainly aren't being sold off for profit. And that condom you want people to wear isn't something the anti contraceptive right agrees with.

[url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/colorado-gop-blocks-successful-birth-control-program]Colorado GOP blocks successful birth-control program | MSNBC[/url]

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plenty on the right want abstinence only education too, which doesn't work, especially if the aim is preventing unwanted births.

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....Really? To theatrical?

BTW, I do not need the Fed or anybody else to tell me what is right or not. I wear a $100 pair of kicks, I can afford a condom...maybe 2...personal responsibility


A couple of excerpts from the article I posted earlier:

"To make matters doubly embarrassing for authorities, the trafficking was taking place inside abortion clinics run by Planned Parenthood, the US affiliate of New Zealand’s Family Planning organization."

"In the United States, trafficking in baby parts for profit is a criminal offense. But to get around the problem, universities and researchers pay a fee – not for the parts themselves but for the “cost of extraction”. Thus, there are different fees depending on the amount of work involved. And shipping and handling is extra."


"They were coming out alive. The doctor would either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and basically beat the fetus until it was dead.”


[B]A division[/B] of Missouri and Illinois-based Consultative and Diagnostic Pathology Inc, Opening Lines made no bones about the fact it was in business to make money. A 20/20 producer, posing as a potential investor in the 11 year old company, visited its founder, pathologist Dr Miles Jones.

Jones, unaware he was being recorded on a hidden video camera, explained how his company obtained fetal parts from clinics across America for shipment to research labs.

“It’s market force,” Dr. Jones told the producer about how he sets his prices. “It’s what you can sell it for.” He said he was looking to set up an abortion clinic in Mexico in order to get more fetal tissue by luring women in with cut-price abortions.

“If you control the flow — it’s probably the equivalent of the invention of the assembly line.”

As to the financial benefits of his business, Jones was brutal about the demand from researchers: “If you have a guy that’s desperate for, let’s say, a heart, then he’ll pay you whatever you ask,” he said.




[B]A few more from another article:[/B]
"Kelly" (a pseudonym) was a medical technician working for a firm that trafficked in baby body parts. This is not a bad joke. Nor is it the hysterical propaganda of an interest group. It was reported in The American Enterprise magazine -- the intelligent, thought-provoking and utterly trustworthy publication of the American Enterprise Institute.

The firm Kelly worked for collected fetuses from clinics that performed late-term abortions. She would dissect the aborted fetuses in order to obtain "high-quality" parts for sale. They were interested in blood, eyes, livers, brains and thymuses, among other things.

"What we did was to have a contract with an abortion clinic that would allow us to go there on certain days. We would get a generated list each day to tell us what tissue researchers, pharmaceutical companies and universities were looking for. Then we would examine the patient charts.

We only wanted the most perfect specimens." That didn't turn out to be difficult. Of the hundreds of late-term fetuses Kelly saw on a weekly basis, only about 2 percent had abnormalities. About 30 to 40 babies per week were around 30 weeks old -- well past the point of viability.

Is this legal? Federal law makes it illegal to buy and sell human body parts. But there are loopholes in the law. Here's how one body parts company -- Opening Lines Inc. -- disguised the trade in a brochure for abortionists: "Turn your patient's decision into something wonderful."

For its buyers, Opening Lines offers "the highest quality, most affordable, freshest tissue prepared to your specifications and delivered in the quantities you need, when you need it."

Eyes and ears go for $75, and brains for $999. An "intact trunk" fetches $500, a whole liver $150. To evade the law's prohibition, body-parts dealers like Opening Lines offer to lease space in the abortion clinic to "perform the harvesting," as well as to "offset [the] clinic's overhead."

Opening Lines further boasted, "Our daily average case volume exceeds 1500 and we serve clinics across the United States."

Kelly kept at her grisly task until something made her reconsider. One day, "a set of twins at 24 weeks gestation was brought to us in a pan. They were both alive. The doctor came back and said, 'Got you some good specimens -- twins.'

I looked at him and said: 'There's something wrong here. They are moving. I can't do this. This is not in my contract.' I told him I would not be part of taking their lives. So he took a bottle of sterile water and poured it in the pan until the fluid came up over their mouths and noses, letting them drown. I left the room because I could not watch this."

If you need any more[B] theatrics[/B], the info string is....endless
This shit is totally Nazi..esc. I had no idea

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[quote=That Guy;1121253][B]plenty on the right want abstinence only [/B]education too, which doesn't work, [B]especially if the aim is preventing unwanted births.[/B][/quote]
Plenty in this country want...socialism, it seems as well. Who gives a shit? wrong is wrong.......
[B]especially if the aim is preventing unwanted births.
[/B]....totally agree

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[url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/caught-fib-fiorina-refuses-acknowledge-misstep]Caught in a fib, Fiorina refuses to acknowledge misstep | MSNBC[/url]

You know it's bad when Fox News is calling her out

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Whoops.............

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She's just keeping following the presumed Democratic nominee's footsteps:
[url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/scarborough-stunning-that-hillary-clinton-still-lying-about-server/]Scarborough: 'Stunning' That Hillary Still Lying About Email | Mediaite[/url]

What's the old joke?
How do you know a politician's lying?
They have a pulse.

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Stunning that anybody cares.

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Same ol' same ol', right. After all, the Clintons have pretty much had a looong career of lying to America....
Nothing new here.

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When about half the voters find a candidate not trustworthy or honest,[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/politics/poll-2016-elections-hillary-clinton-trustworthy/]Poll; Clinton honest trustworthy problem extends to swing states - CNNPolitics.com[/url], and yet that candidate is the party's bell cow, it's kind of laughable to throw rocks at the the other party's primary candidates that haven't even been given the nod.

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"I think that anybody who is still really close to their best friend from grade schools is by definition trustworthy," Bill Clinton told CNN this month
.....Good enough for me

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Just curious, would you guys rather have another Bush in the White House or another Clinton?

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[quote=Mattyk;1122285]Just curious, would you guys rather have another Bush in the White House or another Clinton?[/quote]

I would rather have neither if that's an option.

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That's not an option. Humor me and play along. I'm no big Hilary fan but to me the choice is obvious.