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[quote=JoeRedskin;1120517]Good: Line play both sides of the ball, Alfmo, general toughness shown by team, JG's commitment to the run.

Bad: DB's still getting burned, JG's commitment to the run.

Ugly: Special Teams, penalties.[/quote]

I have zero hopes in the special teams players. I can't figure out if it's coaching or personnel. All I know is, they've been terrible for years.

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[quote=sevier2;1120504]I don't think Scot is going anywhere anytime soon and, In all honesty, I think he has more power than we realize. Snyder has to notice by now that he doesn't know how to run an NFL team. He also HAS to have noticed the unanimous head-nod he got from the entire league on his hiring of McCloughan. If he were to can his "best signing to date" he'd ruin his reputation for life, if it hasn't been already. I fully believe Snyder has given up and turned the keys over to Scot.

[B]THANK GOD[/B]


I'm with Punch when he said the question now is how long will Jay be here. Which I think will be the full tenure of his contract.

The team showed improvement today and i'll be damned if i've seen a Redskins team play more physical than they have this year in a LONG time. It's a pleasant surprise to see this team playing with pride for once, sticking up for each other and even getting into fights for one another.

We're building, and so far it's working. But the process WILL take some time.[/quote]

This...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1120497]This is a good post and I agree with all points, but do you think Snyder gives Scot that long?[/quote]

He keeps making moves like he did this off-season, yes. This team will be better than last year's team. Their record may not be much better, but they punched Miami in the nose and hung in there on both sides of the ball.

As for the play calling, yeah, here and there I had some issues but mainly like JG's commitment to the run. We can hope that this continues as we, hopefully, cut down on penalties.

Dumb mistakes and bad ST plays. Hopefully, correctable.

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I thought it was a little heartbreaking the way it ended. I hadn't felt like that about a Redskins loss in a while; mainly because I've been checked out on this team for a while. I want Cousins to do well. I really do. I just hear a bunch of people on the Post game show bashing him.

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[quote=BAFGA;1120521]I thought it was a little heartbreaking the way it ended. I hadn't felt like that about a Redskins loss in a while; mainly because I've been checked out on this team for a while. I want Cousins to do well. I really do. I just hear a bunch of people on the Post game show bashing him.

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I cannot take anyone seriously who trashes Cousins for this one. He looked really good out there for someone who had only started a handful of games and who last season, when he did start, threw a bevy of interceptions.

The first interception sucked because Grimes read him all the way, but the second interception was 50/50 as Garcon did a pretty poor job of going up and catching/breaking up the pass. He didn't turn into a turnover machine. That by itself is a plus.

Roberts was invisible until the 3rd/4th quarter... Outside of Reed and Garcon, KC really had no one to throw to.

Give that guy more than one or two weapons to throw to (and a coach who knows how to call a competitive game) and the Fins would've been blown out.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1120495]I don't get the play calling criticism.



What should have been called differently when?



I thought Gruden (or McVay and/or Callahan however it was) and Kirk checking out of plays at the line, did a great job limiting their pass rush and putting us in manageable situations.



I don't know what you're supposed to call when you're looking at 1st and 20 almost all the way through the third.



Bottom line is that when our own mistakes through penalties didn't put us in a down and distance disadvantage we moved the ball.



Like some other posters in this thread have noted, conservative play calling wasn't unexpected and was warranted with Kirk's reaction to throwing picks last year. I don't have any problem with the way the game was called.



They started keying run int he second half and when we weren't in a hole, Kirk moved the ball through the air.



For the first time in a long time, we had a chance to win against a good team in the last 2 minutes of the game.



In the gameday thread somebody noted the clock could have been managed better at the end of the 2nd half to take our possession past the 2 minute warning. This is a legit criticism.



A lot of generalizations about bad play calling and Gruden not seeming like a head coach in this thread with no real specifics.[/QUOTE]


Well stated.

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In regards to the play calls, 2 stood out. The decision to not go for it on 4 and one b4 the missed field goal and the Kirk bad int where we ran 4 wide up against our end zone on 3rd and 18. I thought the back to back runs on third and longs was ok, but if ur gonna do that then take a shot down the field on like a 1st down when pass the 50 yard line...keep the defense a little more off balanced

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O line was great today
D line very good
Cousins average
Morris great
Reed good

Overall team I'd say C+

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1120497]This is a good post and I agree with all points, but do you think Snyder gives Scot that long?[/quote]

Why do you think he's on a short leash?

He's one of the best talent evaluators in the biz, it was a great move to get him here. Gruden has something to prove, McCloughan on the other hand has a resume that gives him serious clout.

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There was more than just a couple of plays that made no sense. We ran the ball down there throat in that first drive. Then he tries to pass on a first down and its an 8 yard sack. Then he just gives up on the drive in the next two plays for the FG. The next drive we move the ball, but on 3rd and 3, he tries a power run off tackle with Thompson. I dont criticize the run call, what I criticize is a power run with Thompson when we have Alfred and Jones. Get Thompson outside or run a draw with him. I dont really fault him for going for that second FG.

We get that crazy fumble that we gain possession of in Miami territory. We get a weird drop back pass to the FB where Young had to break a tackle just to get back to the line of scrimmage followed by a WR screen with no one blocking. Just throw it to the WR at the line of scrimmage while he is covered. There were others as well, just those are the ones that stick out to me. There were times we were moving the ball and he went away from what was working and it stalled drives.

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[quote=Chico23231;1120524]In regards to the play calls, 2 stood out. The decision to not go for it on 4 and one b4 the missed field goal and the Kirk bad int where we ran 4 wide up against our end zone on 3rd and 18. I thought the back to back runs on third and longs was ok, but if ur gonna do that then take a shot down the field on like a 1st down when pass the 50 yard line...keep the defense a little more off balanced[/quote]

Not to nitpick, but. . .

My heart always wants to go for it but my head says we can't pass up points against a stout defense.

I can see the argument either way, but it wasn't a bad coaching decision to go for what should have been 3 points.

Kirk should have never thrown the ball on the first interception. It was covered. He was out of the pocket so he could have sailed it out of bounds or thrown it at their feet.

I don't fault the play call, I fault Kirk's decision to throw that one. It's 3rd and 18. Hard to call a play to pick up the first without putting the ball at risk through an interception from pressure, or a sack fumble.

So on play called on the 1st interception, was it the actual play call or the execution you find fault with?

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[quote=Skinzman;1120530]There was more than just a couple of plays that made no sense. We ran the ball down there throat in that first drive. Then he tries to pass on a first down and its an 8 yard sack. Then he just gives up on the drive in the next two plays for the FG. The next drive we move the ball, but on 3rd and 3, he tries a power run off tackle with Thompson. I dont criticize the run call, what I criticize is a power run with Thompson when we have Alfred and Jones. Get Thompson outside or run a draw with him. I dont really fault him for going for that second FG.

We get that crazy fumble that we gain possession of in Miami territory. We get a weird drop back pass to the FB where Young had to break a tackle just to get back to the line of scrimmage followed by a WR screen with no one blocking. Just throw it to the WR at the line of scrimmage while he is covered. There were others as well, just those are the ones that stick out to me. There were times we were moving the ball and he went away from what was working and it stalled drives.[/quote]

When Kirk made the weird pass to Young, he was running backwards as fast as he could because two Miami players were chasing him. It looked as if they beat the protection quicker than anticipated.

They really started keying the run after the half by bringing another defender in the box.

When Kirk started connecting they seemed to play more honest.

A lot of the play calling was based on the defensive looks they were giving.

Their defensive strategy wasn't static throughout the game.

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"It's frustrating, because we did have some opportunities there, both sides of the ball," coach Jay Gruden said. "And we've got to punch it in."
My sentiments exactly.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1120531]Not to nitpick, but. . .

My heart always wants to go for it but my head says we can't pass up points against a stout defense.

I can see the argument either way, but it wasn't a bad coaching decision to go for what should have been 3 points.

Kirk should have never thrown the ball on the first interception. It was covered. He was out of the pocket so he could have sailed it out of bounds or thrown it at their feet.

I don't fault the play call, I fault Kirk's decision to throw that one. It's 3rd and 18. Hard to call a play to pick up the first without putting the ball at risk through an interception from pressure, or a sack fumble.

So on play called on the 1st interception, was it the actual play call or the execution you find fault with?[/quote]

It was an aggressive playcall in an area of the field u can't make a mistake in...and on the other hand we went way conservative on their side of the field where being aggressive against the defense is more the status quo.

U could have thrown the ball but with a safer call...WR/rb screen, maybe a wheel route with the rb (by the way I thought we wanted to throw more to the rb?), maybe a boot, Etc...

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[quote=Chico23231;1120535]It was an aggressive playcall in an area of the field u can't make a mistake in...and on the other hand we went way conservative on their side of the field where being aggressive against the defense is more the status quo.

U could have thrown the ball but with a safer call...WR/rb screen, maybe a wheel route with the rb (by the way I thought we wanted to throw more to the rb?), maybe a boot, Etc...[/quote]

You put the interception more on Jay or whoever called the play than Kirk?

He was rolling away from pressure, not sure if it was by design, and could survey the field, and threw it anyway.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1120532]When Kirk made the weird pass to Young, he was running backwards as fast as he could because two Miami players were chasing him. It looked as if they beat the protection quicker than anticipated.

They really started keying the run after the half by bringing another defender in the box.

When Kirk started connecting they seemed to play more honest.

A lot of the play calling was based on the defensive looks they were giving.

Their defensive strategy wasn't static throughout the game.[/quote]

Of course they started keying the run, we ran it down their throats. But thats what I talk about when I talk about no halftime adjustments. That has to be predicted. I knew that would happen and I dont have a job in football so someone making 5 mil a year as a career football guy has to anticipate that.

A lot of the play calling was not based on the defensive looks they were giving, they were based on the defensive looks that they gave earlier in the game. No anticipation on what the defense might do. Once the dolphins started adjusting, we were lost.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1120536]You put the interception more on Jay or whoever called the play than Kirk?[/quote]

clearly calling an agressive throw on 3rd and 18 backed up against your end zone makes zero sense when your running draws on 3 and 8 on your opponents' 30 yard line...its not consistent.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1120536]You put the interception more on Jay or whoever called the play than Kirk?

He was rolling away from pressure, not sure if it was by design, and could survey the field, and threw it anyway.[/quote]

He was rolling away from pressure because of the formation...I believe they had 3 WR and 1 TE...and the TE was split out. I think it was either pistol or shotgun. So that's aggressive out within your own red zone

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[quote=Chico23231;1120539]He was rolling away from pressure because of the formation...I believe they had 3 WR and 1 TE...and the TE was split out. I think it was either pistol or shotgun. So that's aggressive out within your own red zone[/quote]

If he is rolling away from pressure because of the formation and the play gives him a view of the defense unobstructed by rushers, isn't that a really safe pass to call on 3rd and 18?

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I'm a Michigan State alumnus so I know a bit about Cousins.

Cousins can take you where you need to go under the right circumstances. He's got very good character and just enough talent.

No, he's not going to be Tom Brady, but he can be Eli Manning or Joe Flacco with enough time and the right supporting cast. Of course with your team getting the right supports is going to take some time.

But, hey, they didn't blow a 21-3 lead today. Unlike [I]some[/I] teams.

*sits in a corner and cries*

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Kicked my teams ass for the entire first half in every phase of the game including coaching. Damn good RB. Excellent TE. Suh was not much of a factor. You did a lot of good things. KC is going to be good.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1120530]There was more than just a couple of plays that made no sense. We ran the ball down there throat in that first drive. Then he tries to pass on a first down and its an 8 yard sack. Then he just gives up on the drive in the next two plays for the FG. The next drive we move the ball, but on 3rd and 3, he tries a power run off tackle with Thompson. I dont criticize the run call, what I criticize is a power run with Thompson when we have Alfred and Jones. Get Thompson outside or run a draw with him. I dont really fault him for going for that second FG.

We get that crazy fumble that we gain possession of in Miami territory. We get a weird drop back pass to the FB where Young had to break a tackle just to get back to the line of scrimmage followed by a WR screen with no one blocking. Just throw it to the WR at the line of scrimmage while he is covered. There were others as well, just those are the ones that stick out to me. There were times we were moving the ball and he went away from what was working and it stalled drives.[/QUOTE]
Most of the drives that stalled seemed more due to penalties than play calling. There are not nearly as many plays to call for 3rd and 29 as there are for 3rd and 4

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[QUOTE=sevier2;1120453]People need to realize this is our head coach's SECOND YEAR of EVER being a head coach. We hired a General Manager within THIS CALENDAR YEAR.





I know we all want to win and the losing starts to piss you off but jesus fucking christ what did you expect to see out there today???????





All we've talked about all off season is "It's okay to lose some games as long as we look improved." DID WE NOT LOOK IMPROVED??





Yes, there were still blown plays and things to fix but thats expected when you're REBUILDING. We knew we couldn't fix the entire team in one off season but I saw DEFINITE improvement.





It's disgusting to see some of the "fans" on here throwing in the towel when it's week 1. Have some faith and support your fucking team for once and maybe they'll reward you with some harder play.[/QUOTE]



This!!!!!!! Some of you guys need to chill the f out..

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[quote=Chico23231;1120538]clearly calling an agressive throw on 3rd and 18 backed up against your end zone makes zero sense when your running draws on 3 and 8 on your opponents' 30 yard line...its not consistent.[/quote]

I didn't like that play call either. Should have just called a screen or a draw and then punted. But that was no excuse. KC has to just toss that one in the stands. Other than that one play he took care of the ball.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1120547]Most of the drives that stalled seemed more due to penalties than play calling. There are not nearly as many plays to call for 3rd and 29 as there are for 3rd and 4

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I dont recall saying every drive that stalled was due to that. I listed ones that I thought were though. Which is why I said "There were times..."

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Five of our first six draft picks played today. That's a good draft class.

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Really continually disappointed with Andre Roberts. All he does is drop passes. Yeah he made a couple of plays but he is so unreliable.

I'm ready to see him take a back seat to some of the young bucks.

Wasn't terribly disappointed with the overall game. Tons of missed opportunities though.

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[quote=RobH4413;1120563]Really continually disappointed with Andre Roberts. All he does is drop passes. Yeah he made a couple of plays but he is so unreliable.

I'm ready to see him take a back seat to some of the young bucks.

Wasn't terribly disappointed with the overall game. Tons of missed opportunities though.[/quote]

He seems to make some difficult catches (had a real nice one today that was behind him and low), then drops his share of easy ones. With both Grant and Crowder, he does become an option to get cut next offseason. This year it would have cost us money to cut him but this is the last year of that.

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I bet Ross is our No. 3 next week. I like Grant but he just doesn't stretch the field.

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[quote=Skinzman;1120564]He seems to make some difficult catches (had a real nice one today that was behind him and low), then drops his share of easy ones. With both Grant and Crowder, he does become an option to get cut next offseason. This year it would have cost us money to cut him but this is the last year of that.[/quote]

No I get why he is on the roster, just not why he gets on the field. Would rather see a Grant or Crowder get their touches.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1120566]I bet Ross is our No. 3 next week. I like Grant but he just doesn't stretch the field.

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Why isn't Crowder playing in the slot? God knows he can't do any worse than Roberts and I'm pretty sure he's faster.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1120566]I bet Ross is our No. 3 next week. I like Grant but he just doesn't stretch the field.

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I think Grant is going to end up being more of a possession receiver. He wont stretch the field but he can get himself open for shorter stuff. He runs the best routes on the team. I think Grant will be his best when there is D Jax or Ross to stretch the field to let him work the shorter stuff and/or the over the middle stuff.

I think he can compliment them like Monk complimented Clark and Sanders. Certainly not saying he will remotely touch Monk in terms of talent and what he did on the field, just that type of player.

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[quote=RobH4413;1120567]No I get why he is on the roster, just not why he gets on the field. Would rather see a Grant or Crowder get their touches.[/quote]

I think as the year goes on, it will probably happen. Let the young ones get their feet under them first and gain some confidence, then see what happens.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1120569]I think Grant is going to end up being more of a possession receiver. He wont stretch the field but he can get himself open for shorter stuff. He runs the best routes on the team. I think Grant will be his best when there is D Jax or Ross to stretch the field to let him work the shorter stuff and/or the over the middle stuff.

I think he can compliment them like Monk complimented Clark and Sanders. Certainly not saying he will remotely touch Monk in terms of talent and what he did on the field, just that type of player.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. That's the role I see for him too.
If DJax is out, then bring Ross up to stretch the field with PG, have Crowder in the slot and bring Grant in on 4 wide sets.

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[B][SIZE="3"][B][U]Good: [/U][/B][/SIZE][/B]
[LIST][*]Offensive line manhandled the Phins DL on run and pass support.[*]Kirk Cousin played well minus the one bad INT[*]Alfred Morris was amazing[*]Defensive line dominated for the most part[/LIST]


[B][U][SIZE="3"]Bad:
[/SIZE][/U][/B][LIST][*]Special teams coverage is still horrible.[*]Kai is shaky. Not sure why we got rid of that FG kicker we drafted last year.[*]Penalties. A huge sign of lack of discipline. This is primarily why we lost.[*]David Amerson is still garbage.[*]Roberts needs to be cut. Drops too many passes.[/LIST]

We absolutely dominated the Dolphins in this game in yards and time of possession.


Skins offense: 349 total yards
Phins offense: 256 total yards

Skins passing yards: 188
Phins passing yards: 182

Skins rushing yards: 161
Phins rushing yards: 74

Skins time of possession: 37:54
Phins time of possession: 22:06


[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400791544]Dolphins vs. Redskins - Team Statistics - September 13, 2015 - ESPN[/url]


We had 20 first downs for the entire game and we moved the ball easily. Fucking penalties killed us. You aren't going to win any games with 11 penalties unless you have supreme talent to overcome it, which we aren't anywhere close to that.

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Great job by these 2, hopefully they keep the momentum against the rams.

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/13/brandon-scherff-morgan-moses-pass-test-against-dol/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS]Brandon Scherff, Morgan Moses pass test against Dolphins' tough defensive line - Washington Times[/url]

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[B][U]UPs[/U][/B]

[B][U]D[/U][/B]

Riley&Keenan ++ loved Riley hit on Tannehill near the sideline

Dashon + solid tackling, a couple of stops

Trenton ++ flies around active solid tackler, brings some pop

Hatcher+++ picking up where he left off last year but now OL can't focus on him

Preston++got Hatch free on a stunt, had a forced fumble + recovery

[B][U]Offense[/U][/B]

Love the commitment to the ground game

Alf++++freaking stud, you can't bring that dude down on first contact

Reed++ please, please stay healthy

Garcon++ doesn't all separate but he's such a tough dude, gotta find more ways to feature him and scheme him open by design

OL++ very solid outing from the run blocking unit

[B][U]Downs[/U][/B]

Penalties

Amerson-inconsistent

Roberts--c'mon man, how long can we continue to throw to him? Its frustrating watching him win and get open but then drop the ball...its the opposite of Garcon

TE blocking--yuk. they made as many holding penalties as blocks. we cannot count on them in the run game right now

Unimaginative playcalling--

Kirk--gotta cut down those turnovers and make more clutch plays

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I thin Kirk did his.job today. There are a few things he can do better. Overall he managed the game well.

The offensive line handled the Fins defensive line. They open up holes and pass protected well. If they play like that all year well have a chance to win a lot games.

Morris was excellent. Enough said...

The defensive front looked good for the part. But they didn't get enough pressure. We were good against the run. Not so good against the pass.


Jay Gruden is a below average head coach. I think our first two drives got halted because of his conservative play calling. We had third and short. The Fins were obviously playing the run and moron played right into their hands. He is not the man for this job.

Our secondary sucks. They stop anybody. They catch easy interceptions. They can't tackle to save.their lives.

Andre Roberts is 100% pure garbage. After watching him today I have to ask myself why is he on the team? What does he contributed? How many passes does he have to drop before we drop him?

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[QUOTE=redskinsfan1980;1120594]I thin Kirk did his.job today. There are a few things he can do better. Overall he managed the game well.



The offensive line handled the Fins defensive line. They open up holes and pass protected well. If they play like that all year well have a chance to win a lot games.



Morris was excellent. Enough said...



The defensive front looked good for the part. But they didn't get enough pressure. We were good against the run. Not so good against the pass.





Jay Gruden is a below average head coach. I think our first two drives got halted because of his conservative play calling. We had third and short. The Fins were obviously playing the run and moron played right into their hands. He is not the man for this job.



Our secondary sucks. They stop anybody. They catch easy interceptions. They can't tackle to save.their lives.



Andre Roberts is 100% pure garbage. After watching him today I have to ask myself why is he on the team? What does he contributed? How many passes does he have to drop before we drop him?[/QUOTE]


Totally forgot to add pass rush to the Bad list. It was just not good for too many plays. I pretty much agree with all of this.