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If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1126121]If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.[/quote]Can RG3 punt? Let's use him like Sammy Baugh for just one game. QB, safety, and punter. Get some entertainment out of this crappy team in this crappy season.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1126122]Can RG3 punt? Let's use him like Sammy Baugh for just one game. QB, safety, and punter. Get some entertainment out of this crappy team in this crappy season.[/quote]

I'm down for QB and safety lol, our punter, sadly is one of our best players. He should stay in.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1126121]If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.[/QUOTE]
At that point nearly any injury carries a 16million dollar cap hit. In my opinion he simply shouldn't see the field again for that reason alone

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1126121]If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.[/quote]

He is probably done here. It's over. I personally do not want to see him play because 1. He sucks. 2. He's fragile.

I'm hoping we get back some of our guys on offense the second half of the season. We've seen KC make a lot of big plays in the passing game. He just needs to do it. If he can't then I 'd rather see McCoy. Can't believe I'm saying I'd rather see McCoy over Griffin but it's true. Smh..

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1126121]If, say we are 3 - 7 and Cousins hasn't improved, no one can see RG3 starting last 6 games or so? I think he might, its a weak year for qbs in the draft.[/quote]Tricky question. Personally I can't see Griffin playing because J has said flat out that his intent is to start Cousins the whole season. It appears that Griffin isn't going to see the field regardless of how Cousins plays.

Now, I don't think its the right decision. I think Griffin deserves to play IF Kirk plays poorly and the team continues to lose. But then again I also think that J should be fired under those same circumstances (Kirk playing poorly and the team losing).

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[quote=skinsfan69;1126134]Can't believe I'm saying I'd rather see McCoy over Griffin but it's true. Smh..[/quote]2012 Griffin, with his speed and in the Shanahan's system, was at a different level than Cousins or McCoy.

Post-2012 Griffin, slowed by injuries, trying to be a pocket passer, might be as good as Cousins, if you figure neither of them are good enough to be a decent starting QB in the NFL.

I think we had to make the move to Cousins. Our receivers were getting sick of LOS passes because Griffin couldn't get the ball downfield enough. So was Gruden.

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Too much of a risk to start Rg3, could only see it if there wasn't that huge option for next year. I still think McLovin is waiting for the offseason to trade him.

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Apparently Djax has had yet another setback and is questionable for Sunday against tb. Lmao what a bum, dude spends more time on instagram than on the practice field

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1126141]Apparently Djax has had yet another setback and is questionable for Sunday against tb. Lmao what a bum, dude spends more time on instagram than on the practice field[/quote]

Just stick him on IR already. I've never seen a dude so fragile. Even though Reed's brain is about as shaken as a martini at least he played a handful of whole games this season.

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Yeah its sad it's like pay me Dan u are stupid anyway and I'll eat it all up and never play

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[quote=HailGreen28;1126138]2012 Griffin, with his speed and in the Shanahan's system, was at a different level than Cousins or McCoy.

Post-2012 Griffin, slowed by injuries, trying to be a pocket passer, [B]might be as good as Cousins,[/B] if you figure neither of them are good enough to be a decent starting QB in the NFL.

I think we had to make the move to Cousins. Our receivers were getting sick of LOS passes because Griffin couldn't get the ball downfield enough. So was Gruden.[/quote]

He is much worse, remember when Griffin was in (Last year, this preseason) a lot of people in here were complaining about how bad
the O-line was at pass blocking? Put the other guys in and that line doesn't look so bad, even last Sunday with all the injuries. A QB that holds the ball too long, can't feel the pressure and isn't good at side
stepping makes an O-line look worse than it is.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1126143]Just stick him on IR already. I've never seen a dude so fragile. Even though Reed's brain is about as shaken as a martini at least he played a handful of whole games this season.[/quote]

McC worked alot the defense and Oline this past offseason. Got a really big feeling the offense will get the same work this coming year.

Lets be honest, Cousins and Alfmo are not in the future plans. I believe Garcon, DJax, and Andre Roberts contracts allow them to be "more" cutable this coming football year and we have too much money wrapped up in that position with little to show. Reed isnt reliable and we need better blocking from the TE position.

The list goes like this on priorities:

1. QB
2. TE
3. WR
4. RB
5. Safety

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[quote=30gut;1126136]Tricky question. Personally I can't see Griffin playing because J has said flat out that his intent is to start Cousins the whole season. It appears that Griffin isn't going to see the field regardless of how Cousins plays.

Now, I don't think its the right decision. I think Griffin deserves to play IF Kirk plays poorly and the team continues to lose. But then again I also think that J should be fired under those same circumstances (Kirk playing poorly and the team losing).[/quote]

Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1126138]Post-2012 Griffin, slowed by injuries, trying to be a pocket passer, might be as good as Cousins, if you figure neither of them are good enough to be a decent starting QB in the NFL...[/quote]I really don't want to get into another Griff/Kirk sink hole.

But I see it differently. Obviously 2012 was without exaggeration phenomenal. The 1st year post 2012 was 2013 and in that year Griffin was a better QB [I][B]and[/B][/I] pocket passer then Kirk.

People forget but Kirk was [I][B]actually[/B][/I] terrible in 2013 and whereas Griffin was merely perceived as terrible despite actually being average or just a touch below. I could post the stats but people should remember.

[quote]I think we had to make the move to Cousins. Our receivers were getting sick of LOS passes because Griffin couldn't get the ball downfield enough. So was Gruden.[/quote]I think J made the decision to move on from Griffin as soon as he was hired and it wasn't forced by anything other then his on volition. People say Kirk deserves more time and maybe he does, he's already received more time in J's system then Griffin. And I'll admit that right now the team lacks weapons but the 2012 had about the same or less talent then this team right now.

But if Kirk/J get more time and still don't produce then it would make sense to move to Griffin but everyone knows that J isn't about that life.

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[quote=calia;1126087]BTW, what the hell is up with our Dline. No starters injured there, but they've been horrible. Hatcher -- 9 tackles and 1 sack total over 6 games -- that isn't getting it done. Knighton (14 tackles no sacks) and Paea (7 tackles, 1 sack) -- same for you.

The only one who is playing well is Chris Baker (20 tackles, 3.5 sacks). He has only 10 fewer tackles than the other 3 combined, and more sacks! I wonder whether they get Kearse to play some more. It's been a major disappointment. And no help from the LBs yesterday either. Man, it's been awful the last few weeks.[/quote]

Yeah, so much for "Capital Punishment".

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1126146]McC worked alot the defense and Oline this past offseason. Got a really big feeling the offense will get the same work this coming year.

Lets be honest, Cousins and Alfmo are not in the future plans. I believe Garcon, DJax, and Andre Roberts contracts allow them to be "more" cutable this coming football year and we have too much money wrapped up in that position with little to show. Reed isnt reliable and we need better blocking from the TE position.

The list goes like this on priorities:

1. QB
2. TE
3. WR
4. RB
5. Safety[/QUOTE]
Matt jones and Thompson are the future backs. Alf won't be back next yr. we still need a pass rusher that is consistent

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Good-
Special teams
Penalties (or lack thereof)

Bad-
Everything that has already been mentioned

Worst-
When fans blame poor team performance on injuries. Every team has a ton of injuries; this is the NFL. We just stink.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1126150]Matt jones and Thompson are the future backs. Alf won't be back next yr. we still need a pass rusher that is consistent[/quote]

oh junior gallette is coming back. He's been missed.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1126147]Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.[/quote]

Who thought Kirk was this bad, not Gruden, not the coaches, not the players if you listen to the media, not the media, not most fans on here. All we heard was Kirk gets the ball out faster and he makes the offense runs smoother. I heard no one say Kirk needs time when he got the job. The depth is better than 2012 by a mile. Now everyone wants Jay to adapt to Kirk and make things easier! To be fair run the west coast offense and make Kirk run ur offense. SM on the other hand he gave Jay better players but Jay plays who he wants and this is on him not SM, not Dan, not Bruce! So we just the Kirk the man guys to keep believing his the next John Elway!! Lol

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[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1126147]Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

[B]And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.[[/B]/QUOTE]

You could be right. Maybe KC is the kind of guy that is better as a back up. Meaning, he's perfect to come in and hold things down for a game or two. Or come off the bench if needed. Basically when he has no pressure on him to perform he may be better in that role. But we're still only 6 games in. I would like to see him get 16 games over playing McCoy.

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There are some NFL coaches/execs that believe KC is nothing more and never will be anything more than a career backup; and then there are some that think he has the ability to be a franchise QB. We won't know which one it is unless he is given a chance...to fail or succeed.

Six games as the starter with a team fairly decimated with injuries does not = a chance. IMHO he needs the full season. Then if he is making "progress" - the full off season, and then into next season before he should be labeled as a career backup.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1126156]There are some NFL coaches/execs that believe KC is nothing more and never will be anything more than a career backup; and then there are some that think he has the ability to be a franchise QB. We won't know which one it is unless he is given a chance...to fail or succeed.

[B][I]Six games as the starter with a team fairly decimated with injuries does not = a chance. IMHO he needs the full season. Then if he is making "progress" - the full off season, and then into next season before he should be labeled as a career backup[/I][/B].[/quote]

No shit,people are too anxious to pull the plug or jump on the bandwagon.The media has been crucifying the skins for sticking with Cousins,well they dont know wtf they are talking about and have very short memories because apparently they forgot Vince Young Jr sucked balls too and couldnt read defenses.These same people that thought M Mariotta was going to be the greatest qb ever after the first game.
Playing qb for this team and its injury situation is like playing with one arm tied behind your back

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It's not just the progress it's his inaccuracy which is content and then u throw on top of that his horrific decisions during games and it's like a double negative.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1126147]Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him. [/quote]Hmmmnn, thanks for the update on what me and my'all? lol need to stop talking about.

Its actually too bad because later you actually made some points worth discussing; even though I obviously disagree with them. But that opening...nah.

-Cheers!

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I feel that RGIII lost his job due to his own flaws as a pocket QB. Yet he has his strengths as a QB, as well. So, I don't think it's time to write him off. He needs to do what other young NFL QB's who have lost their jobs have done; i.e, continue to work hard, support his teammates, and don't stir up any controversy. I think has has done those things. Sooner or later, he will get another chance either here or elsewhere.

Right now, Kirk is getting a chance to claim the job. He has his strengths and weaknesses, as well, and they are currently on display. I don't know whether he'll make it or not.

I feel there is a contractual and salary cap reality that may be casting a shadow on this competition. We know about the injury provision in the CBA and how it could affect RGIII's future with the Redskins. Nevertheless, the Skins [U]can[/U] keep him next season, if they want to. Kirk's situation is different. He can be a FA at the end of this season. Looking at those facts alone, it is more urgent to find out if Kirk can be the man by playing him now, before he becomes a FA, than it is to find out about RGIII. Nevertheless, the Skins need to find out if one of them can be their QB of the future.

The Skins certainly don't want give both players lucrative contracts. That would blow up the salary cap entirely. They may even decide to not sign either player for 2016. But if they eventually decide to not keep either one, then they will probably need to see more of RGIII this season. So, the question is: How long does Kirk have to prove he is the man for the job? I think it is probably only about the first twelve games of this season. If Kirk fails to claim the job after twelve games, I think they may well decide to not sign him and to go back to starting RGIII to see if they want to pick up his option for 2016. At that point, they'll take the risk of RGIII getting injured. But I think it is unlikely that they'll put RGIII on the field again, other than in a dire emergency, before they make their determination about Kirk.

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[quote=30gut;1126148]I really don't want to get into another Griff/Kirk sink hole. [/quote]

too late :(

[quote=30gut;1126148]But I see it differently. Obviously 2012 was without exaggeration phenomenal. The 1st year post 2012 was 2013 and in that year Griffin was a better QB [I][B]and[/B][/I] pocket passer then Kirk.

People forget but Kirk was [I][B]actually[/B][/I] terrible in 2013 and whereas Griffin was merely perceived as terrible despite actually being average or just a touch below. I could post the stats but people should remember.

I think J made the decision to move on from Griffin as soon as he was hired and it wasn't forced by anything other then his on volition. People say Kirk deserves more time and maybe he does, he's already received more time in J's system then Griffin. And I'll admit that right now the team lacks weapons but the 2012 had about the same or less talent then this team right now.

But if Kirk/J get more time and still don't produce then it would make sense to move to Griffin but everyone knows that J isn't about that life.[/quote]

Just using your logic, IF KC was worse in JG's system at first, and now is better and RG3 was better at first and now is worse, then why would it make any sense to put RG3 in at any point this season.

in other words if KC has been able to improve, and RG3 has shown regression, why would you change back to RG3?

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I cant even stomach the posts here sometimes after losses lol... im not sold on pulling the plug on cousins.... i am however ready to give up on gruden and mcvay... i cant give barry a pass until we try ONE STUNT, TWIST, DELAYED BLUTZ SOMETHING OTHER THAN RUSHING 4 STRAIGHT AHEAD PLAY AFTER PLAY AFTER PLAY, NO WONDER WE GET SHREDDED. SMFH

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[quote=Meks;1126163]I cant even stomach the posts here sometimes after losses lol... im not sold on pulling the plug on cousins.... i am however ready to give up on gruden and mcvay... i cant give barry a pass until we try ONE STUNT, TWIST, DELAYED BLUTZ SOMETHING OTHER THAN RUSHING 4 STRAIGHT AHEAD PLAY AFTER PLAY AFTER PLAY, NO WONDER WE GET SHREDDED. SMFH[/quote]

I think up until the Jets game, Barry was doing a pretty damn good job. Yeah we got gashed by Freeman and the Falcons too, but who hasn't been this year? You can only do so much, the players need to show some sort of output on the field.

Not ready to jump off his bandwagon quite yet.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1126164]I think up until the Jets game, Barry was doing a pretty damn good job. Yeah we got gashed by Freeman and the Falcons too, but who hasn't been this year? You can only do so much, the players need to show some sort of output on the field.

Not ready to jump off his bandwagon quite yet.[/quote]

Yea im not giving up on him, just do SOMETHING lol, we got zero pressure on fitpatrick and he himself gashed us... we hardly ever blitz we never stunt or do anything inventive.... i dunno, it needs some switching up to get pressure imo

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Defense will be fine

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If anything is likely to doom Gruden and his coordinators, it is the putrid 3rd Quarter performances of this team. The Jets game was the worst of all. It's enough to make one think that they are unable to make halftime adjustments and fire up the team.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1126168]If anything is likely to doom Gruden and his coordinators, it is the putrid 3rd Quarter performances of this team. The Jets game was the worst of all. It's enough to make one think that they are unable to make halftime adjustments and fire up the team.[/quote]

I can't help but think Gruden is an awful tactician and motivator. There's no excuse for being outscored 46-3. Dude needs to hand off playcalling and tactical offensive adjustments to McVay and let the dude do his job.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1126162]too late :(



Just using your logic, IF KC was worse in JG's system at first, and now is better and RG3 was better at first and now is worse, then why would it make any sense to put RG3 in at any point this season.

in other words if KC has been able to improve, and RG3 has shown regression, why would you change back to RG3?[/quote]

Just to point out, you have the years wrong. 2013 was Shanahans last year, not Grudens first year. Grudens first year was 2014. RG3 cant run Jays system and Jay wont change, so I dont see RG3 going back in there. Jay made it pretty clear from day 1 that he wanted nothing to do with RG3 so thats not even an option now. Even if we moved on from Jay at the end of the year, you cant bring RG3 back at his option year salary. He would have to be cut and resigned much cheaper, which I doubt either the Redskins or RG3 would be interested in.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1126169]I can't help but think Gruden is an awful tactician and motivator. There's no excuse for being outscored 46-3. Dude needs to hand off playcalling and tactical offensive adjustments to McVay and let the dude do his job.[/quote]

I agree on the tactical part and the handing play calling off part, not so sure on the motivating part. The team seems to play hard under him. The team is just handicapped with the fact that Jay makes adjustments worse than your below average pop warner coach.

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[quote=30gut;1126159]Hmmmnn, thanks for the update on what me and my'all? lol need to stop talking about.

Its actually too bad because later you actually made some points worth discussing; even though I obviously disagree with them. But that opening...nah.

-Cheers![/quote]

You've got to be kidding.

After the endless tedious and repetitive crap you've put the Warpath audience through for months now you have the nerve to be put off by a "y'all"? You're a joke. And a bad joke at that...

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[quote=Skinzman;1126170]...Even if we moved on from Jay at the end of the year, you cant bring RG3 back at his option year salary. He would have to be cut and resigned much cheaper, which I doubt either the Redskins or RG3 would be interested in.[/quote]I admit we are getting waaayyy ahead of ourselves here. Straight out we are exploring a scenario that [B][I][U]only[/U][/I][/B] happens [SIZE="5"]IF[/SIZE] Kirk/Jay continue to play poorly and lose games. So depending on your view of the team/current staff the scenario being discussed is anywhere from highly unlikey to highly likely.

Let say there is some crazy scenario where Kirk plays poorly enough and the team continues to lose as a result. [SIZE="6"]IF[/SIZE]Kirk by all objectives measures should be benched then I believe [U]the decision that lead to Kirk being the starter in the first place should be called into question[/U]. And IF that is the case then we're essentially back where we were in the offseason except without Kirk as an option. At the beginning of the offseason we had 2 unknown quantities at QB in this system. Except in the above scenario 1 would have played themselves out of contention.

Now the question becomes the Griffin's 16 mil option.
Unless I understand it wrong Griffin-Bruce/brass can re-work the salary/contract.
And I would bet dollars to doughnuts that Griffin would be willing to restucture that contract for a chance to stay in Washington and compete for the starting job next year.
The only way Griffin would get 16 mil would be IF he was hurt with an injury severe enough to prevent him from playing in the 2016 season.

So while I agree the 16mil is an obstacle I don't think its an obstacle that should prevent them from finding out whether Griffin can be a potential franchise QB with a coach other then Jay Gruden.

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SO if we beat Tampa we are going to super bowl!! Cousins will be the answer and Gruden coach of year!! if we lose to New england lets fire everybody!! I just summed up a lot of fans thought pattern ….

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[quote=rocnrik;1126191]SO if we beat Tampa we are going to super bowl!! Cousins will be the answer and Gruden coach of year!! if we lose to New england lets fire everybody!! I just summed up a lot of fans thought pattern ….[/quote]

LOL! Yep, that sounds about right! Sad but true

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Why do people come in here and post about the Redskins when they haven't watched any of their games since 2012? Not watching is the only way to explain the single person who thinks RG3 deserves another shot with this current team. Unless of course you bulk him up where he really is at his listed weight of 220, make a safety out of him, and renegotiate his 2016 contract to 10% of it's value.