Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1142772]Pierre done after this season...doctson and djax is ballerific IMO[/quote]

I think it would be the opposite. Gruden and GMSM prefer tough players who will fight and scrap. Pierre is one of those players.

DJax bailed on the TD vs. Green Bay and went out on the 1.

Doctson/Garcon/Crowder/Reed is the skill AND attitude they're looking for.

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[quote=sevier2;1142801]I think it would be the opposite. Gruden and GMSM prefer tough players who will fight and scrap. Pierre is one of those players.

DJax bailed on the TD vs. Green Bay and went out on the 1.

Doctson/Reed/Crowder/Reed is the skill AND attitude they're looking for.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more, plus Garçon is cheaper and not a showboat.

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And this is all talk for NEXT year.

THIS year we have Doctson/Garcon/Jackson/Crowder/Reed/Paul

The offense really is poised to succeed this year.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

[quote=sevier2;1142801]I think it would be the opposite. Gruden and GMSM prefer tough players who will fight and scrap. Pierre is one of those players.

DJax bailed on the TD vs. Green Bay and went out on the 1.

Doctson/Garcon/Crowder/Reed is the skill AND attitude they're looking for.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Doc grew up a Dallas fan.... well that will change soon lol

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Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

[quote=hutch17;1142788]How could you not like our OBJ or Dez when we will have a major need there after next year, this is the kind of pick good teams make, BPA thinking about the future.[/quote]

He will have to prove that he is that kind of player. I personally would have gotten one of the d-linemen. But that's why SM is paid the big bucks and why I'm on my couch. Lol. But really it's hard to argue with Doctson's production. Outstanding college player.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Maybe if we have receivers that can win 50/50 balls we'll stop throwing it 2 yards short of a 1st on 3rd down.

Doctson did not seem to be all that excited to be drafted. All the DTs are slipping due to the depth this draft. People are scooping up the other guys. Would have liked a 2nd tradeback, but like the pick overall. With the contracts we're up against I dont think we'll be able to retain DJax or Garcon.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

With Doctson and Crowder, I don't see Jackson or Garcon getting re-signed next year, and we will be picking another receiver in the top few rounds next year. Receiving core will look new and younger in 2017. Doctson, Crowder, 2017 draft choice will be our top 3 plus Jordan Reed. That'll work if Doctson is as good as advertised. I see both our picks (if we keep them) tomorrow being in the front 7 on defense. After that, I'd guess a RB/S will be areas of focus over the weekend.

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Guess we'll see how this plays out, the kids a big target for Cousins hope it pans out well and I'm excited for round 2 and to see what we will do next. Kind surprised we didnt go D tho.

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[quote=sevier2;1142805]And this is all talk for NEXT year.

THIS year we have Doctson/Garcon/Jackson/Crowder/Reed/Paul

The offense really is poised to succeed this year.[/quote]

it is much to early to say who will be on the team this year. And Garcon's 10.8 ypc is very mediocre. Jackson is soft and small.

The key [B]might[/B] be V Davis... 2 fast TEs, plus a running game = an explosive offense

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[quote=Irrefutable;1142821]it is much to early to say who will be on the team this year. And Garcon's 10.8 ypc is very mediocre. Jackson is soft and small.

The key [B]might[/B] be V Davis... 2 fast TEs, plus a running game = an explosive offense[/quote]

We need that running game fixed. That's for sure. Not sure how that will be accomplished

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1142823]We need that running game fixed. That's for sure. Not sure how that will be accomplished[/quote]

Honestly, I really don't care too much about the running game. Potentially we have one of the best passing offenses in the league. That's what we do best and I hope Gruden and Co realize that and start calling plays like New England does. I'm calling it now, KC should be near 5,000 yards this year if everyone can stay healthy.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Doctson was clearly BPA on the board and Scotty Mac always says you take BPA whether you need them or not. I believe that is what he did.

We have needed a taller receiver for years now, looks like we finally got one.

Also some of you are forgetting we also have a speed burner in Ross, he should be better after another year on the team. In case we lose both DJax ad Pierre

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Draft analyst quote about Doctson: "Unselfish, dependable and hungry worker - can't find anyone who will say a negative word about him." Scot strikes again!

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Looking at his tape, I see a lot of DeAndre Hopkins in him, if he can give us that, beautiful

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1142821]it is much to early to say who will be on the team this year. And Garcon's 10.8 ypc is very mediocre. Jackson is soft and small.

The key [B]might[/B] be V Davis... 2 fast TEs, plus a running game = an explosive offense[/quote]

After the pick, I text my friends who aren't Skins fans..."Redskins offense is fu**Ing loaded". We're not done yet either, we will be picking a RB at some point as well I'm sure.

I like the pick. There will be good defensive players at our next pick.

A lot of weapons. An extra one for the red zone. Defenses won't know what to do with him and Reed.

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[quote=sevier2;1142801]I think it would be the opposite. Gruden and GMSM prefer tough players who will fight and scrap. Pierre is one of those players.

DJax bailed on the TD vs. Green Bay and went out on the 1.

Doctson/Garcon/Crowder/Reed is the skill AND attitude they're looking for.[/quote]

I get your thinking, but disagree.

DJax was out last year, we got zero from Ryan Grant...he's was terrible. He got back and the Offense took off...why? He's the best shooter on the team and he spreads the floor unlike any other WR in the game. He takes the top of defenses...Ill take that all day long over Garcon.

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[url=http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/reception-perception-2016-nfl-draft-prospects-results.html]Reception Perception: 2016 NFL draft prospects results - Backyard Banter[/url]

Wanted to bump this link from 30gut...I thought this was pretty good stuff before. Doctson kinda shines in these scouting reports

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If it comes down to DJax and Garcon after next season it will be DJax, Pierre is a tough possession receiver and so is Doctson, every really good offense needs a receiver like Djax to take the top off the defense. Think Gary Clark to Art Monk.

That being said I would put it at under 50/50 that either of them is on the team after this season, and Pierre might not make it this year, especially if they need cap space for some reason or another (like another Norman becomes available).

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Garçon fits the McCloughan mold much more than Jackson. Once Jackson starts to lose a step, which could happen very soon, there goes his game.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

I, for one, welcome our new WR overlord.

[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8lcUHQYhPTE/hqdefault.jpg[/IMG]

Love the pick.

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I'm thinking the Norman signing gave us the luxury of taking the BPA/WR.
I wanted Eli Apple all along anyways....
So now we have two young WRs (Doctson/Crowder) *Check*
As others have stated I gotta believe our next pick or picks is a DT.
This didnt go how I thought but I feel a lot better about our offense right now.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1142835]Garçon fits the McCloughan mold much more than Jackson. Once Jackson starts to lose a step, which could happen very soon, there goes his game.[/QUOTE]



Basically one of them is gone for the start of 2017. Possibly both. Of course if DJax has durability concerns than he will be gone. If he stays relatively healthy though he is the keeper of the two. He isnt going to slow down that much that quick. Hell he could actually lose a step and still be faster than most of the guys on the field.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Apple might turn out to be great for the Giants, but damn, I think it was so stupid to pass on Hargreaves.

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With the Norman signing we got the D jump started. I really like this pick. Think about it ..how many of you are tired of D Jax drama? think he will skip mini camp now ? folks were calling for his head last year with the selfish punt return drama. I believe that Scott will get the Dline help we need in the next few days..Signing Josh Norman was like having 2 number one picks. there is not a college CB coming into this draft who would be better than him next year. PLUS we got a top WR ..whats not to like!!

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[quote=MTK;1142835]Garçon fits the McCloughan mold much more than Jackson. Once Jackson starts to lose a step, which could happen very soon, there goes his game.[/quote]

Out of the two, Jackson is also the one most likely to be worth a round pick in a trade (if there is market).

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Its so funny with D Jax. Ive never seen a guy go from hero to zero and back so frequently. Lol. Im totally guilty of it myself.

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[quote=rocnrik;1142840]With the Norman signing we got the D jump started. I really like this pick. Think about it ..how many of you are tired of D Jax drama? think he will skip mini camp now ? folks were calling for his head last year with the selfish punt return drama. I believe that Scott will get the Dline help we need in the next few days..Signing Josh Norman was like having 2 number one picks. there is not a college CB coming into this draft who would be better than him next year. PLUS we got a top WR ..whats not to like!![/quote]

I'm more concern about DJax durability than any so called "drama." His trademark is speed, and as Matty said, he'll likely lose a step pretty soon.

[quote=punch it in;1142844]Its so funny with D Jax. Ive never seen a guy go from hero to zero and back so frequently. Lol. Im totally guilty of it myself.[/quote]

Yeah I don't get it either.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Alot of need picks pushed alot of the DL to the second round, and I think the skins are taking advantage of that. I'm guessing we cut someone this year tho.

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[QUOTE=Evilgrin;1142848]Alot of need picks pushed alot of the DL to the second round, and I think the skins are taking advantage of that. I'm guessing we cut someone this year tho.[/QUOTE]



Yeah Grant and Roberts.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Roberts will be gone as soon as he's cleared, Grant should be back.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1142847]I'm more concern about DJax durability than any so called "drama." His trademark is speed, and as Matty said, he'll likely lose a step pretty soon.



Yeah I don't get it either.[/quote]

DJax first year with the Skins had 13 receptions of 40+ yards. 13. Doubled up the next guy. Was injured last year, but I think experience and scheme can make up for a lost step. Usually naturally fast dudes don't just stop being fast. You cant just go out and find another Desean.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1142851]Roberts will be gone as soon as he's cleared, Grant should be back.[/QUOTE]



Yeah I guess he is the fifth guy. Ross is gone too than.

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Even if he loses a step, DJax still has the speed to be the needed deep threat that Garcon just isn't. Unless DJax just completely drops off in ability (i.e. speed), safeties will not be crowding the line like they will with Garcon.

Love Garcon's toughness. He and DJax are a solid 1A/1B WR pairing b/c they bring different things to the table. However, as the old adage says, you can't teach speed.

I am betting DJax has a couple more speedy years in him and, unless they find that same speed elsewhere, he's sticking. Scot will find more solid, tough guys like Garcon. They can be gotten through UFA's or drafting. Speed, however, comes at a premium.

Doctson looks great and, hopefully, he works out. However, he is not a speed demon (4.5 40) and is unlikely to take the top off a D. Crowder is the definition of a slot receiver - small & quick but without top-end speed. So until we pay or draft a speed guy, DJax is going to be the guy we rely on to attack the back end of a D.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1142854]Even if he loses a step, DJax still has the speed to be the needed deep threat that Garcon just isn't. Unless DJax just completely drops off in ability (i.e. speed), safeties will not be crowding the line like they will with Garcon.

Love Garcon's toughness. He and DJax are a solid 1A/1B WR pairing b/c they bring different things to the table. However, as the old adage says, you can't teach speed.

I am betting DJax has a couple more speedy years in him and, unless they find that same speed elsewhere, he's sticking. Scot will find more solid, tough guys like Garcon. They can be gotten through UFA's or drafting. Speed, however, comes at a premium.

Doctson looks great and, hopefully, he works out. However, he is not a speed demon (4.5 40) and is unlikely to take the top off a D. Crowder is the definition of a slot receiver - small & quick but without top-end speed. So until we pay or draft a speed guy, DJax is going to be the guy we rely on to attack the back end of a D.[/quote]


Will the Doctor is not a speed demon, but he does seem to play faster than he times.

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

Ross v. Grant will be a battle in camp this year - and it may be that the loser is fighting the rest of the roster to keep six WR's instead of five.

DJax, Garcon, Crowder, Doctson, Ross/Grant.

On the roster, only Ross provides the speed that DJax provides.

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Both Ross and Roberts play teams. Grant does not. Grant isn't a good enough wr to JUST be a back up and not play teams. Seems like Grant has been here for a while and can never seems to take that next step. He seems like the one that will be gone.

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[quote=MTK;1142835]Garçon fits the McCloughan mold much more than Jackson. Once Jackson starts to lose a step, which could happen very soon, there goes his game.[/quote]

What about Garcon's lack of production?

Re: Redskins 1st Round Pick: WR Josh Doctson (TCU)
 

I cant wait to see Doctson line up in red zone packages, get one on one matchups and out jump fools for Corner fades routes

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[quote=punch it in;1142844]Its so funny with D Jax. Ive never seen a guy go from hero to zero and back so frequently. Lol. Im totally guilty of it myself.[/quote]

And I think this is exactly how the coaches feel about him. It's love and hate. He does just enough to justify keeping him and then pisses you the fuck off 5 minutes later. Personally I'll be glad when we can afford to move on from him but right now we need him. lol.