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Compton and Foster are just journeymen type of players. At some point over a 16 game season they are going to get exposed, especially trying to cover TE's and RB's. Daniels is kind of in the same mold as our starters. We badly need an athlete and a playmaker at ILB. Maybe Spaight turns into that guy. It will also be interesting to see where Cravens lines up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1145126]Compton and Foster are just journeymen type of players. At some point over a 16 game season they are going to get exposed, especially trying to cover TE's and RB's. Daniels is kind of in the same mold as our starters. We badly need an athlete and a playmaker at ILB. Maybe Spaight turns into that guy. It will also be interesting to see where Cravens lines up.[/quote]

You're saying it better than me! And I'm not saying Riley JR is THE guy, just that I would feel more comfortable with him healthy, more depth, more choice, more competition between the players etc...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1145126]Compton and Foster are just journeymen type of players. At some point over a 16 game season they are going to get exposed, especially trying to cover TE's and RB's. Daniels is kind of in the same mold as our starters. We badly need an athlete and a playmaker at ILB. Maybe Spaight turns into that guy. It will also be interesting to see where Cravens lines up.[/quote]I agree that we don't have any playmakers at ILB, and imo its a major part of struggles in run defense.
In my eyes a healthy Riley is better then Compton. Riley doesn't have the best instincts but is physical player that gets downhill. Compton is faster, but gets caught in the wash gets blocked/stays blocked more then I want. I like Foster for his run defense.
If I'm choosing from the batch we had last playing last year I would go for:
(healthy) Riley + Foster

I really like Stephen Daniels kid and it wouldn't surprise me if he really makes a name for himself in training camp and in preseason. Physical, downhill thumper with good instincts.

I was a big fan of Spaight too, don't remember what his injury was but if he's 100% i'll be excited to see what he can do.

I don't want Su'a playing ILB, we're weak in run defense playing a S at ILB isn't gonna help.

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[quote=Hog1;1145121]You live in.....F..n Richmond and you're Not at camp?????
....damn[/quote]


Too god damn hot to be at camp. :devil:

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How are things going at Redskins camp? So far it seems to be rainbows and unicorn farts. It feels like the only news is coming from the discussion board.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1145133]How are things going at Redskins camp? So far it seems to be rainbows and unicorn farts. It feels like the only news is coming from the discussion board.[/quote]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/07/30/observations-from-day-3-at-redskins-training-camp/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed&wprss=rss_redskins-page-shell[/url]

Well I'll take unicorn farts all day...another one: Trent Murphy is looking good

Your right, so far I've heard breeland and desean Jackson have been out-fucking-standing. I'll say it again, desean jax is gonna have a big year as long as he can stay healthy.

From the article, Greg toler and Matt ioannidis also been shining, which is the first I've heard bout that.

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[quote=30gut;1145129]In my eyes a healthy Riley is better then Compton. Riley doesn't have the best instincts but is physical player that gets downhill. Compton is faster, but gets caught in the wash gets blocked/stays blocked more then I want. I like Foster for his run defense.
If I'm choosing from the batch we had last playing last year I would go for:
(healthy) Riley + Foster

I don't want Su'a playing ILB, we're weak in run defense playing a S at ILB isn't gonna help.[/quote]

I've reached my views limit on the Washington Post article so please correct me if I'm wrong.

I've read, and I believe it is in the WP article linked above that Riley is splitting reps with Foster rather than Compton.

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[quote=Chico23231;1145134][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/07/30/observations-from-day-3-at-redskins-training-camp/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed&wprss=rss_redskins-page-shell[/url]

Well I'll take unicorn farts all day...another one: Trent Murphy is looking good[/quote]

I think Murphy is going to be better than expected. He isn't a fast twitch guy but has great reaction time.

With his hand in the dirt, he can get into the defender quicker and use his strength.

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Murphy played with his hand in the dirt at Stanford. To me it's his more natural position.
Remember when we all pined for Rak to convert back to DE? Not even saying Murphy is going to be what I thought Rak could be at end, but I still think he's going to be our Justin Smith type guy.

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And as far as Compton keeping the starters job, well there really isn't anyone who is going to take it from him. Riley was always going to replace Mason not Will. He has become the defenses QB, I could see him making a big leap in that role this year as well.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1145140]Murphy played with his hand in the dirt at Stanford. To me it's his more natural position.
Remember when we all pined for Rak to convert back to DE? Not even saying Murphy is going to be what I thought Rak could be at end, but I still think he's going to be our Justin Smith type guy.[/quote]

Murphy was a very good player at Stanford, I think this move will greatly benefit him.

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Agree with what is being said about Trent...he is more a strength, leverage guy.

Another unicorn fart to cup: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/one-training-camp-later-cornerback-goes-from-redskins-weakness-to-strength/2016/07/31/c43de31a-572a-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html?tid=ss_tw[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1145145]Agree with what is being said about Trent...he is more a strength, leverage guy.

Another unicorn fart to cup: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/one-training-camp-later-cornerback-goes-from-redskins-weakness-to-strength/2016/07/31/c43de31a-572a-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html?tid=ss_tw[/url][/quote]

Great read. The top picture though in the article is a shot of Dunbar falling down at the line with his pads off as #13 slides the other way. Good article and I agree that our secondary could be very strong

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Looking for other than unicorn farts, I fell upon this:

[url=http://dailysnark.com/josh-norman-gets-burned-redskins-wrs-first-day-camp/]Josh Norman Gets Burned Over & Over By Redskins WRs On First Day Of Camp | Daily Snark[/url]

Obviously this is not a serious article, I'm excited to have him on our D and I'm confident Josh Norman will keep being an excellent player, every corner gets beaten on some plays, so there's nothing here... But with everybody talking trash, I'm asking the question: how confident are we that he'll be worth the 8M he'll get this year?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1145147]Looking for other than unicorn farts, I fell upon this:

[url=http://dailysnark.com/josh-norman-gets-burned-redskins-wrs-first-day-camp/]Josh Norman Gets Burned Over & Over By Redskins WRs On First Day Of Camp | Daily Snark[/url]

Obviously this is not a serious article, I'm excited to have him on our D and I'm confident Josh Norman will keep being an excellent player, every corner gets beaten on some plays, so there's nothing here... But with everybody talking trash, I'm asking the question: how confident are we that he'll be worth the 8M he'll get this year?[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/25889/josh-normans-work-habits-impress-redskins-teammates]Josh Norman's work habits impress Redskins teammates - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

take a whiff of this...

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I'm glad we have some football news but I just can't get excited over this camp stuff. I mean one of the lead stories on Yahoo was how Norman got burned by Garcon and Jackson. Sigh.... It's like a 12 year old is writing this shit. It's camp, Qb's are going to throw int's, corners are going to get burned and so on. Who's the next Marco Mitchell this year???????

I'm debating whether or not to go to Richmond on Friday. Not sure I want to drive 2 hours to sit out in the heat to watch a camp practice. Wish they still had it over in Ashburn.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1145149]I'm glad we have some football news but I just can't get excited over this camp stuff.[B] I mean one of the lead stories on Yahoo was how Norman got burned by Garcon and Jackson. Sigh.... It's like a 12 year old is writing this shit. It's camp, Qb's are going to throw int's, corners are going to get burned and so on.[/B] Who's the next Marco Mitchell this year???????

I'm debating whether or not to go to Richmond on Friday. Not sure I want to drive 2 hours to sit out in the heat to watch a camp practice. Wish they still had it over in Ashburn.[/quote]

First Take is talking about this apparently..someone was talkin about it on twitter

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Norman didn't seem like he was being a paper chaser when we signed him. I think he'll be playing inspired to prove A) he's not a system player and B) Carolina messed up not locking him down. I'm not really worried about camp matchups; most receivers in the NFL can beat most of the corners in the NFL 1 on 1 or they wouldn't be in the league. Corners are generally smaller with worse hands.... or they'd be receivers.....

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[quote=Chico23231;1145148][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/25889/josh-normans-work-habits-impress-redskins-teammates]Josh Norman's work habits impress Redskins teammates - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

take a whiff of this...[/quote]

"During one-on-one drills Saturday, Norman only received one repetition. That didn't sit well with him: Nearly 10 minutes later he was overheard on the sidelines complaining about that fact. He wanted the work. After one practice, as safety DeAngelo Hall spoke to reporters about Norman, he pointed to him working out off to the side, performing backpedal drills among other aspects."

Good to read this!
Personally I'm not worried, I was asking the question because as said above people are trying to make a big thing of this.

I played corner so I know no matter how good you are you're gonna get beaten on some plays, even by some not so good receivers (mainly because you don't know where the receiver's going, while he does, obviously...). A corner can be evaluated on a whole game, or season, based on how many times he got beaten and how many times he didn't, not on one play.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1145138]I've reached my views limit on the Washington Post article so please correct me if I'm wrong.

I've read, and I believe it is in the WP article linked above that Riley is splitting reps with Foster rather than Compton.[/quote]Yup, the article says that Riley is splitting with Mason.

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1145141]And as far as Compton keeping the starters job, well there really isn't anyone who is going to take it from him. Riley was always going to replace Mason not Will. He has become the defenses QB, I could see him making a big leap in that role this year as well.[/quote]Iirc Compton was inserted into the line-up when Riley got banged up?

I am worried about stopping the run and for me Mason must play because he's the best against the run. So the other spot is between Riley and Compton.

When its all said and done I expect Stephen Daniels to challenge for a starting spot. If they are serious about being stout against the run he's the man.

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Good stuff from Trent Williams on 980. Talked about how the whole oline came out to Texas to his house to practice during the off-season. He's a hog thru and thru!

Sent from my S6 Edge

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I'm getting very concerned with JDoc.
He went from day to day to week to week and now today Gruden stated there is no timetable for his return. Yea yea not a pressing need to get him on the field right away but a rook needs Training Camp reps. Pissed off

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;1145163]I'm getting very concerned with JDoc.
He went from day to day to week to week and now today Gruden stated there is no timetable for his return. Yea yea not a pressing need to get him on the field right away but a rook needs Training Camp reps. Pissed off[/quote]

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Makes me want to punch through a wall.

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Sounds like the rookie Ravens WR who has yet to really touch the field. Annoying.

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While images of Malcolm Kelly linger in my mind, I have to ask if Doctson had any history of injuries. If not, then hopefully this all is just a sign of caution.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1145149]

I'm debating whether or not to go to Richmond on Friday. Not sure I want to drive 2 hours to sit out in the heat to watch a camp practice. Wish they still had it over in Ashburn.[/quote]

i spent about 25 years of my life 30 minutes from the new camp, and when i moved to AZ for good is when they they moved to Richmond. :rant: Get your butt over there.

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[quote=30gut;1145158]Yup, the article says that Riley is splitting with Mason.

Iirc Compton was inserted into the line-up when Riley got banged up?

I am worried about stopping the run and for me Mason must play because he's the best against the run. So the other spot is between Riley and Compton.

When its all said and done I expect Stephen Daniels to challenge for a starting spot. If they are serious about being stout against the run he's the man.[/quote]

Compton took over after the other guy was ineffective. The Redskins we're excited to see Riley and Compton work together till Riley got hurt. He took over for Keenan Robinson

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Double post. Kinda drunk.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;1145163]I'm getting very concerned with JDoc.
He went from day to day to week to week and now today Gruden stated there is no timetable for his return. Yea yea not a pressing need to get him on the field right away but a rook needs Training Camp reps. Pissed off[/quote]

We're extremely deep at WR. The Redskins have a tendency to push injured players back to the field quickly. He's a rookie. Let him get healthy and learn. I'd rather he not play/play sparingly this year than to rush back into action and aggravate the injury.

Doctson has a ton of talent. Being a rookie is really tough, especially at WR. It's typical for WRs to take 3 years to develop. Be patient and let him develop. We don't need to push him into the spotlight until he's fully ready!

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Let the guy heal up. Yeah he needs reps but he needs to be healthy to get those reps. We can afford to take it slow with him. There's absolutely no need to rush him back.

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[quote=MTK;1145186]Let the guy heal up. Yeah he needs reps but he needs to be healthy to get those reps. We can afford to take it slow with him. There's absolutely no need to rush him back.[/quote]

yup...just disappointing.

Hey in better injury news:

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/1/shawn-lauvao-returns-practice-redskins-begins-batt/]Shawn Lauvao returns to practice for Redskins, begins to battle for left guard spot - Washington Times[/url]

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Greg-Toler-One-Of-The-Bigger-Surprises-At-Training-Camp-/dbceb636-dad2-4d05-ac6f-3929ce83bbac]Greg Toler 'One Of The Bigger Surprises' At Training Camp[/url]

With a log jam caused by Fuller and Josh Norman addition, Greg Toler is now flashing big time as well at CB. We will probably only keep 5 CB and still have Blackmon and D Hall at Safety...

If we stay healthy at CB, could Toler be someone we could offer as trade? We all know CB position seems to be one where a lot of injuries occur. And what Ive heard early from practice is our depth now that Gallette is out isn't blowing anybody away...Its almost a guarantee that McC will be adding someone at OLB. Toler...while I always kinda liked the guy...could be someone who could fill in right away if a starting CB went down. I wouldn't mind if we could find a OLB depth

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trading a CB for a RB after the depth chart is determined makes sense

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[quote=Irrefutable;1145197]trading a CB for a RB after the depth chart is determined makes sense[/quote]

Id be very open to that. In regards to the RB situation, im watching the RBs in Kansas City...they got a lot depth.

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who do you want from KC ?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1145200]who do you want from KC ?[/quote]

34 Knile Davis RB 24 5-10 227 4 Arkansas
1 Darrin Reaves RB 23 5-10 215 2 UAB
13 De'Anthony Thomas RB 23 5-8 176 3 Oregon
32 Spencer Ware RB 24 5-10 229 3 LSU
35 Charcandrick West RB 25 5-10 205 3 Abilene Christian

These are the listed RB behind starter Jamal Charles. I think West is clearly the #2.

Spencer Ware or Knile Davis could be available....especially if either Reaves and De'Anthony play especially well.

Ware and Davis are both #2 style backs. Great size, cut-back, bruising style ability

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reportedly Derek Carrier could return in a few weeks. It would make the TE position even more crowded

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The DHALL Int on Reed today was stupid good

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Craven Injured too:

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Sua-Cravens-sits-out-Tuesday-maybe-more-46549801]Su'a Cravens sits out Tuesday, maybe more[/url]

[quote]Jay Gruden said that Tuesday may not be the only day that the rookie out of USC will miss due to the injury.


"We're going to hold him out today, maybe tomorrow," said Gruden ahead of practice. "He just has a little, sprained tendon in the back of his leg."[/quote]

tendon in back of leg . . . Achilles ? ? ? . . . sure hope not . . . what is the training staff doing to hurt so many tendons?

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/08/03/observations-from-day-7-and-the-first-week-of-redskins-training-camp/?postshare=1871470263606670&tid=ss_tw[/url]

Great, informative article by Mike jones who talks about special teams and a good wrap up of the first week.

He gives his surprises and what/who he needs to see more of...the biggest issue he sees is the d-line needs to play better...and they need someone to emerge. Stephen paea is playing with the second units...this dude needs to step the fuck up