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[quote=mredskins;1149947]Totally agree!!! Scott M is showing some rust right now.[/quote]

3 games in.

:doh:

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[QUOTE=MTK;1149951]3 games in.



:doh:[/QUOTE]



But to have one guy contributing after 3 games is still not good. Especially on a team that is rebuilding.

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[quote=punch it in;1149948]I really hope this is a facade because he is the savior imo. He is going to turn this franchise around and build it from the inside out etc.
not hitting the panic button but if we re-graded our draft right now it would get a big fat turd.[/quote]

You're 100% right.

Looking at the draft classes from the teams he was part of before he came here, there were really bad bust years.

It's what happens over the long term that matters.

There is inherent value in FO continuity if the philosophy is good. Tough Defense, run the ball (coaches need to get on board), smart, high character, tough guys.

If we don't spend like Denver, Arizona and NYG in free agency then it is going to be a slower rebuild and continuity is even more important.

We have an awesome cap situation and a lot of younger players on the rise.

We just need to stay the course with the FO philosophy and make small changes if necessary (scouts, talent evaluators, etc. . .).

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[quote=punch it in;1149946]Couldn't agree more. Our fifth rounder got cut. Is Fuller hurt? I still think that was a reach and a half
Really early on looks Vinny'ish except for Cravens.[/quote]


[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/09/26/rookie-cornerback-kendall-fuller-more-than-ready-for-debut-jay-gruden-says/[/url]

You guys need to calm the hell down lol

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[quote=punch it in;1149952]But to have one guy contributing after 3 games is still not good. Especially on a team that is rebuilding.[/quote]

Might as well cut em all now. The class is clearly a bust.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1149954][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2016/09/26/rookie-cornerback-kendall-fuller-more-than-ready-for-debut-jay-gruden-says/[/url]



You guys need to calm the hell down lol[/QUOTE]



Ok maybe vinny'ish was out of line. Lol.
Yeah I mentioned Fuller. We really need him to show us something.

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Honestly, this is a game that for many years now I would just expect them to lose, and who knows...they might. It's a game they should win though, especially at home. To start the season 0-3 at home is unacceptable, and that should be the narrative in the locker room. There should be no doubt about whether they'll be up for it, or whether they'll game plan & play to win --or-- not to lose. They need to go out and impose their will for four quarters, period.

I'll almost forget all about losing to Dallas (not really) if they can take care of business this week.

At the start of the season, I would have probably taken a 2-2 record after four games (hoping for 3-1)...

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Every draft class should be given 3 ye... oops ... games until final grades are confirmed.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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Doc - wasn't expected to play a big role this year anyway - more of a pick for the future

Cravens - stud

Fuller - jury is still out - I think most thought it was a great value pick

Ioannidis - gone. Worst pick ever <----- that's a bit of a stretch given the fairly recent history of bad picks prior to Scotty showing up

Sudfeld - never hurts to pick a project QB that you think may turn into something or at least be a serviceable backup. At least he's still here...

Daniels - gone...unfortunate, but not a huge surprise a 6th round pick doesn't crack the 53

Marshall - who knows yet...remember he was a 7th round pick...

Hope Fuller shows some potential this weekend.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1149959]Doc - wasn't expected to play a big role this year anyway - more of a pick for the future

Cravens - stud

Fuller - jury is still out - I think most thought it was a great value pick

Ioannidis - gone. Worst pick ever <----- that's a bit of a stretch given the fairly recent history of bad picks prior to Scotty showing up

Sudfeld - never hurts to pick a project QB that you think may turn into something or at least be a serviceable backup. At least he's still here...

Daniels - gone...unfortunate, but not a huge surprise a 6th round pick doesn't crack the 53

Marshall - who knows yet...remember he was a 7th round pick...

Hope Fuller shows some potential this weekend.[/quote][/QUOTE]

Not that I liked the pick (it should have been used on C), but Ioanndis is still on the roster

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[quote=Chico23231;1149939]Redskins coach Jay Gruden said he's "very concerned" about rookie receiver Josh Doctson. He will take it easy again this week because of his Achilles. Gruden said tests haven't shown any further damage. Gruden said it's about dealing with pain management.

what a disappointment...I thought this shit was clearing up? jeez...[/quote]

starting to think he may be an injury prone kind of guy... only time will tell of course but geez

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[quote=punch it in;1149952]But to have one guy contributing after 3 games is still not good. Especially on a team that is rebuilding.[/quote]

There really is no more rebuilding anymore.... Plus not every draft class will be good, it happens

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For those folks who think Sherff was a bad pick at #5 read this:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/blog/article-1/Brandon-Scherff-Receives-PFFs-Top-Grade-At-Right-Guard/a5a05d5c-0980-4248-811b-86e548fd869e]Brandon Scherff Receives PFF's Top Grade At Right Guard[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1149959]Doc - wasn't expected to play a big role this year anyway - more of a pick for the future

Cravens - stud

Fuller - jury is still out - I think most thought it was a great value pick

Ioannidis - gone. Worst pick ever <----- that's a bit of a stretch given the fairly recent history of bad picks prior to Scotty showing up

Sudfeld - never hurts to pick a project QB that you think may turn into something or at least be a serviceable backup. At least he's still here...

Daniels - gone...unfortunate, but not a huge surprise a 6th round pick doesn't crack the 53

Marshall - who knows yet...remember he was a 7th round pick...

Hope Fuller shows some potential this weekend.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]



Yes "worst pick ever" sounds like a stretch. Let me elaborate though - the fact that it was an SM pick has a lot to do with my calling it that. Before he showed up I hoped to God that at least one player would pan out. Lol. I expected the worst pick ever. I guess I expect more in the fourth round from the current regime. I feel like there were just a lot of better choices there. Also forgot he was on the PS like Bangee mentioned. My bad.

Hey like Matty said and C Red its week three. Lol. If we did keep going back and re-grading the draft it is not a good grade very early on. Personally I don't think it will look any better in the years to come. Hope i am dead wrong. Im not going to let it bother me though because its Browns week. A time when all other fans, of all other teams rejoice and look forward to a happy Sunday. [emoji482][emoji482][emoji482][emoji322][emoji322][emoji322][emoji458][emoji458][emoji458][emoji898][emoji898][emoji898]

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Wait. Loannidis is gone? I never saw that. Or we just assuming he sucks?

Do we need to list the number of DT/DE picked in later rounds? Dude hasn't even played very much. Let's not throw him out.

Unless I missed something then carry on lol

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Ioannidis was cut during final cuts, then signed to the practice squad. The Skins brought him up to the 53 after Golston injury

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[quote=SirLK26;1149968]Ioannidis was cut during final cuts, then signed to the practice squad. The Skins brought him up to the 53 after Golston injury[/quote]

That's what I thought too. He was activated last game on the 53 man. Not starting...but he's there. Remember when we drafted Morgan Moses and they said he wasn't someone that was going to contribute immediately.......now he's balling on the line. Just saying.

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Has there been word about approximately how much time Breeland will miss?

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[quote=J. Falcon;1149971]Has there been word about approximately how much time Breeland will miss?[/quote]

Gruden said it's a week to week decision on when he returns.

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Lets hope Fuller brings something to the table. Because I think we could have snagged a damn run stuffer in the third round.

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Was on the Browns message board last night. They all seem to think that they are going to roll up some points on us and win.

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Docston could be a bust..anybody remember M westbrook? WHY WHY with all the other needs did we use that pick on WR?? MAJOR BLUNDER that will hurt this team. Wr's can be had in the later rounds just like RB's . WE needed DL and OL bad.

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[quote=rocnrik;1149975]Docston could be a bust..anybody remember M westbrook? WHY WHY with all the other needs did we use that pick on WR?? MAJOR BLUNDER that will hurt this team. Wr's can be had in the later rounds just like RB's . WE needed DL and OL bad.[/quote]

3 games in and doctson is a bust. come on, dawg.

if he does turn out to be malcolm kelly and devin thomas rolled into one, yes, that would blow.

it'll be doctson and crowder for years to come.

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[quote=punch it in;1149974]Was on the Browns message board last night. They all seem to think that they are going to roll up some points on us and win.[/quote]

The Browns have a message board?

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[quote=rocnrik;1149975]Docston could be a bust..anybody remember M westbrook? WHY WHY with all the other needs did we use that pick on WR?? MAJOR BLUNDER that will hurt this team. Wr's can be had in the later rounds just like RB's . WE needed DL and OL bad.[/quote]

The draft is a gamble, this guy was rated the #1 receiver by some experts. Injuries happen, shit happens. Doesn't mean he's a bust, remember Art Monk?

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[QUOTE=J. Falcon;1149978]The Browns have a message board?[/QUOTE]



Die hard fans man. You gotta be to live through what they have. Not only all the bad years, but the whole move. The team may suck, but their fans are hard core.

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Read this, OL future lineup. That's exactly why I want long at C and Kouandijo at LG. The future is now!!!

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/27493/redskins-revamped-offensive-line-ready-for-action]Revamped Washington Redskins offensive line ready for action - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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Vegas has us favored by 7.5.

Could you all please calm the fuck down. Please and fuck you.

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Our matchups are good for this game. The strength of the Browns defense is against the run, but they don't rush the passer and their secondary is thin. What do we do well? Protect the passer and get open.

Meanwhile they have a very mediocre runner in Crowell and Terrelle Pryor has shown a little something, but he hasn't had to face a CB as talented as Norman.

We're in pretty good shape. Like any NFL game it still comes down to turnovers, we have to take care of the ball. If we do, we'll be fine.

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Regarding Doctson it's pretty simple, he was the best player on SM's board at that pick. We're a whole 3 games into his career, simmer down.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1149983]Vegas has us favored by 7.5.



Could you all please calm the fuck down. Please and fuck you.[/QUOTE]



You should really consider a job with Hallmark. Or maybe making those motivational posters? You know like the salmon swimming up a waterfall. But instead of it reading "determination is key" or shit like that it could read "you are a stupid asshole"?

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[quote=MTK;1149955]Might as well cut em all now. The class is clearly a bust.[/quote]

Like I said, it's still very early. Really we won't know much about this draft class until next year. But so far it's been disappointing. Especially Doc. His injury has lingered since rookie minicamp. Don't see how you can not agree with that so far.

If next year this time we have Fuller and Doc playing and playing well, along with Cravens then that would be a success. Still very possible.

Long way to go on the 16 draft class...

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[quote=punch it in;1149986]You should really consider a job with Hallmark. Or maybe making those motivational posters? You know like the salmon swimming up a waterfall. But instead of it reading "determination is key" or shit like that it could read "you are a stupid asshole"?[/quote]

I like that. Or, you could put a salmon jumping and a bear about to eat him, and it could say sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes you're a stupid asshole.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1149988]I like that. Or, you could put a salmon jumping and a bear about to eat him, and it could say sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes you're a stupid asshole.[/QUOTE]



The possibilities are endless....
(Or you're a stupid asshole)
Lol

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I can't say the draft class has been disappointing yet. My impression is Fuller is a player, but he's competing with Dashaun Phillips who simply beat him out. And you're not going to deactivate key special teams guys like Dunbar in favor of Fuller.

Now we'll get a chance to see Fuller with the injuries. I think he'll show he can play just fine.

Doctson, that's just unlucky with the injury. Ionnidis, they like the way he moves but they knew he needed to put on a little bit of weight.

I'll say the RB from Georgia, David Marshall? I was hoping for more out of him. Losing out to Rob Kelley was pretty lame.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1149981]Read this, OL future lineup. That's exactly why I want long at C and Kouandijo at LG. The future is now!!!

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/27493/redskins-revamped-offensive-line-ready-for-action]Revamped Washington Redskins offensive line ready for action - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

I think this is ideally what the Skins coaches had in mind coming into this year...Im interested to see if Kujo and Long sticks. I don't know much about Sullivan but from what Ive read he could be better than Long at Center.


Im concerned with Kujo...we should be able to tell in the first half if this is a disaster...if so, his ass should go to the bench and kick Silverback inside and Nsekhe out at LT.

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always good to have options on the line, we'll be fine.

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How about Trent Murphy leading us with 3 sacks??

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1149995]How about Trent Murphy leading us with 3 sacks??[/quote]

at least 1 ff, he's looking good. how often do we have him, kerrigan, and smith on the field at the same time?

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[quote=Chico23231;1149991]I think this is ideally what the Skins coaches had in mind coming into this year...Im interested to see if Kujo and Long sticks. I don't know much about Sullivan but from what Ive read he could be better than Long at Center.


Im concerned with Kujo...we should be able to tell in the first half if this is a disaster...if so, his ass should go to the bench and kick Silverback inside and Nsekhe out at LT.[/quote]

I'm not sold on Kujo, mainly because the coaches don't seem to be. He got all of 1 snap last year- that didn't scream starter this year to me.

I'm also not sold on Long at C yet, simply because he hasn't played it long enough and he wasn't exactly tearing it up at LG last year.

But, all that said, when you think what it takes to show improvement on the o-line.....
Long cannot be any worse than Licht
As you said, if Kujo struggles, we could go to plan B (TW at LG & Ty at LT)

The other obvious improvement that can prolong drives is to limit the penalties the o-line has been getting. That alone could be a huge step forward.