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[quote=FrenchSkin;1155459]I feel like we forget about that fumble... That was also a killer in the first half. It's not all on the D. They only gave up 2 drives.[/quote]

Its all about momentum and sometimes when you feel pressure and over exert you can make a mistake. I think this stuff plays into fumble play.

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[quote=Chico23231;1155455]Per Profootball Focus yesterday:


"Kelley added seven missed tackles and 73 yards after contact"

basically he needs more work...73 yard after contact has to be close to the top this week for a RB[/quote]

Thanks !

I also think he had a great vision and good patience.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1155384]Well next week we play arguably the worst defense we've seen (not counting cle) so let's hope we run it more and more[/quote]

i thought we played GB next week? Maybe their pass defense is suspect, by after week 10 (minus tonight's game) they are still 5th in rushing defense. Game plan will include more passing this time i thing. [URL="http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/position/defense"]Source (ESPN)[/URL]

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[quote=Chico23231;1155455]Per Profootball Focus yesterday:


"Kelley added seven missed tackles and 73 yards after contact"

basically he needs more work...73 yard after contact has to be close to the top this week for a RB[/quote]

I think we need to get Fat Rob going early and often. The 2nd quarter scoring run that the Vikings had, started when for some reason we threw the ball 3 times and went 3 and out. I don't know why we did that, given the Kelley was running well.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1155450]Garzon had a hell of a great game. That guy was making catches all over the field.[/quote]

Remember against Cinci we went to him the first play after Dalton fumbled at the 50, we had the ball with one minute to go. They threw to Garcon on the slant where they flagged him for the phantom push off on Pacman Jones. It would have taken the Skins within field goal range.

Yesterday while 23-20 we're driving with 3 minutes left, trying to get into FG range, and we hit Garcon a couple times on that drive.

You can tell the coaching staff and Cousins treat him as the clutch, big-moment, we-have-to-get-a-first-down receiver.

Looking more and more like it makes sense to let Jackson go and keep Pierre. I love the guy.

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I know the Red Zone scoring is an issue and coming away with four FG's is never a good plan. BUT ...

This was (and still is) the number one scoring defense in the league. The 26 points we scored against them was the most scored against them all year. (In their first five games no team broke 20 pts.; in their three prior losses Philly got 21; Bears got 20; Detroit got 22).

Also, we only started with a "short field" once the entire game - after P. Smith's Int. Even then, we took over at our own 42. We did not start a drive in their territory all game.

Here are our possessions:

Starting Field Position: Wash. 32 -- TD
SFP: W8 (TD)
SFP - W21 (Punt); Three Plays; 0 yards.
SFP - W22 (Punt); 4 / 12
SFP - W25 (Fumble); 1 / 7
HALF
SFP - W33 (FG); 12 / 55
SFP - W32 (FG); 11 / 49
SFP - W8 (FG); 7 / 60
SFP - W42 (FG); 8 / 32
Last Possession - Kneel down.

Sure - we need to punch in TD's. BUT ... getting four solid, point-producing, second half drives against this D is nothing to entirely disparage.

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"ewwwwwWeeeee" ??

No. ... Just. No.

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Minnesota's leading rusher (McKinnon) had 16 yards on six carries. As a team, they had 47 rushing yards. Eleven of those yards were by a WR on an end around - so 36 yards from your RB's.

I know their running game sucked going in to the game, but those are ridiculously bad numbers.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1155474]Minnesota's leading rusher (McKinnon) had 16 yards on six carries. As a team, they had 47 rushing yards. Eleven of those yards were by a WR on an end around - so 36 yards from your RB's.

I know their running game sucked going in to the game, but those are ridiculously bad numbers.[/quote]

Im so impressed with the defense...Say what you will, but Ive been way more impressed with the defense than the offense this year. Less talent on that side of the ball...The offense seems so erratic, turnovers in the red zone, lack of scoring touchdowns the in red zone, the lack of offense balance, etc.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1155472]I know the Red Zone scoring is an issue and coming away with four FG's is never a good plan. BUT ...

This was (and still is) the number one scoring defense in the league. The 26 points we scored against them was the most scored against them all year. (In their first five games no team broke 20 pts.; in their three prior losses Philly got 21; Bears got 20; Detroit got 22).

Also, we only started with a "short field" once the entire game - after P. Smith's Int. Even then, we took over at our own 42. We did not start a drive in their territory all game.

Here are our possessions:

Starting Field Position: Wash. 32 -- TD
SFP: W8 (TD)
SFP - W21 (Punt); Three Plays; 0 yards.
SFP - W22 (Punt); 4 / 12
SFP - W25 (Fumble); 1 / 7
HALF
SFP - W33 (FG); 12 / 55
SFP - W32 (FG); 11 / 49
SFP - W8 (FG); 7 / 60
SFP - W42 (FG); 8 / 32
Last Possession - Kneel down.

Sure - we need to punch in TD's. BUT ... getting four solid, point-producing, second half drives against this D is nothing to entirely disparage.[/quote]

I remember many years where we dreamed of getting field goals on the majority of our drives, it amuses me how far we have gotten that now we are mad we don't score touchdowns.

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[quote=hutch17;1155476]I remember many years where we dreamed of getting field goals on the majority of our drives, it amuses me how far we have gotten that now we are mad we don't score touchdowns.[/quote]

Welcome to stability at the QB position. We can move the ball, congratulations.

Who the fuck celebrates a Field Goal score? eff that

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[quote=Schneed10;1155468]Remember against Cinci we went to him the first play after Dalton fumbled at the 50, we had the ball with one minute to go. They threw to Garcon on the slant where they flagged him for the phantom push off on Pacman Jones. It would have taken the Skins within field goal range.

Yesterday while 23-20 we're driving with 3 minutes left, trying to get into FG range, and we hit Garcon a couple times on that drive.

You can tell the coaching staff and Cousins treat him as the clutch, big-moment, we-have-to-get-a-first-down receiver.

Looking more and more like it makes sense to let Jackson go and keep Pierre. I love the guy.[/quote]

I also wonder if there was a lot of tension in the huddle when Jackson was in the game. It felt like Cousins was more instinctual this game without feeling the need to force a few to Jackson.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/28436/sua-cravens-increased-reps-help-d-second-half-success]Su'a Cravens' increased reps help D; second-half success - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Redskins defensive coordinator Joe Barry said they were going to increase Su’a Cravens’ reps and that’s what happened Sunday. Cravens played a season-high 35 snaps – and even saw time at outside linebacker. That’s where he was aligned when he shot through and recorded a tackle for a loss in the first half. The Redskins had three down linemen, but one of them was Trent Murphy on the right side (with Ryan Kerrigan behind him). Another time when Cravens was aligned here, he shot up and took on the pulling guard three yards deep, helping hold a run to one yard. You can’t use this alignment vs. every team, but Cravens’ quickness provides a different look from this spot. Give the coaches credit for tapping into Cravens’ versatility (though this is why he was drafted in the first place). They’ve expanded his role and he keeps playing well. By the way, Mason Foster has been rather steady of late, and that's been a positive development.

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Isn't Honolulu Blue in this forum sometimes?

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Lions-fan-cheers-Redskins-win-over-Vikings-48978075]Lions fan cheers Redskins win over Vikings[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1155474]Minnesota's leading rusher (McKinnon) had 16 yards on six carries. As a team, they had 47 rushing yards. Eleven of those yards were by a WR on an end around - so 36 yards from your RB's.

I know their running game sucked going in to the game, but those are ridiculously bad numbers.[/quote]

I have him on my fantasy team. The guy sucks period. AP is basically it for their running game. He needs to leave Minn if he wants a ring.

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[quote=Chico23231;1155478]Welcome to stability at the QB position. We can move the ball, congratulations.

Who the fuck celebrates a Field Goal score? eff that[/quote]

We all want td's. But also the Vikings do have one of the top defenses in the NFL. To get 26 against them when no one else has done that this year is pretty damn good.

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our def has went from 31st to 20th .. not bad

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[quote=skinsfan69;1155494]We all want td's. But also the Vikings do have one of the top defenses in the NFL. To get 26 against them when no one else has done that this year is pretty damn good.[/quote]

It's just continuing frustration watching the same mistakes over and over. Minny is a solid defense...I'll take the win.

Watching cincy and Giants...how in the fuck did we lose to cincy? These guys are fairly terrible.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1155473]"ewwwwwWeeeee" ??

No. ... Just. No.[/quote]

Counterpoint: Yeah. ... Just. Yeah.

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Watching this Giants game, another observation...this new Giants stadium just doesn't have the life the meadowlands had. It's quiet...and not a lot of energy. And whenever the camera pans to the crowd it's just filled with the ugliest fans in the league. It's a troll fest drinking the shitest beers in the country. It's Like a monument to a pile of shit.

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[quote=Chico23231;1155496]It's just continuing frustration watching the same mistakes over and over. Minny is a solid defense...I'll take the win.

Watching cincy and Giants...how in the fuck did we lose to cincy? These guys are fairly terrible.[/quote]

I have to agree..the biggest mistake I see is not holding a lead however the NFL is so even that can be hard to do..just about every team can win or lose a game with a couple of plays..the difference between 6-10 and 10-6 could be only a few missed FG's or a couple turnovers. I hate to say this but Dallas looks like the best team in the league..with a rookie QB and RB ! I keep waiting for them to stumble and make mistakes.. We are playing for Wildcard which may not be so bad.

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I've watched every MNF game, at halftime they have not shown any of our highlights in any game this season!! What a joke and its so obvious

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1155413]Nice win,you just take it one game at a time.[/QUOTE]



Im hoping to not be able to say the same thing to you after this game......[emoji6]

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[QUOTE=mooby;1155498]Counterpoint: Yeah. ... Just. Yeah.[/QUOTE]
... and that, ladies and gentlemen, is mooby's and my summary of the state of political debate in America.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1155490]Isn't Honolulu Blue in this forum sometimes?



[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Lions-fan-cheers-Redskins-win-over-Vikings-48978075]Lions fan cheers Redskins win over Vikings[/url][/QUOTE]



Yup. Was wondering about him during Detroit week. I think it is probably a pretty common name for Detroit fans though,....

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1155501]I've watched every MNF game, at halftime they have not shown any of our highlights in any game this season!! What a joke and its so obvious[/QUOTE]



The less that anything I like (redskins), has to do with anything i don't like (berman), the better.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1155503]... and that, ladies and gentlemen, is mooby's and my summary of the state of political debate in America.[/quote]

I'll drink to that!

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[quote=Chico23231;1155496]It's just continuing frustration watching the same mistakes over and over. Minny is a solid defense...I'll take the win.

Watching cincy and Giants...[B]how in the fuck did we lose to cincy?[/B] These guys are fairly terrible.[/quote]

Well, to be fair we didn't ^^

I also think the Giants are far from being a bad team, beating them on the road was a pretty good accomplishment.

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The Giants have their strengths. The short passing game and a solid pass rush. However, they are much further from being a complete team than us and the Cowboys.

The loss to Dallas and the non-win against Cinci will likely really come back to haunt us. Change those outcomes and we are playing for the division lead on Thanksgiving.

I am going out on a limb and saying I think we hit another win streak over the next five games. At the end of the year, we still end up in 2nd because, as much as I hate to admit it, I just don't know where the Cowboys lose three games. They have us, the Ravens, Detroit & T. Bay at home and Minnesota, Giants and Eagles away.

I say we beat them, that's one. I suspect they will lose to two others on the list - just cause. However, we would need to run the table and have them go 4-3 to close out the season to win the division. Just don't see those two things happening. We are going to lose at least one more game, probably two. Depending on how things break down, I think we make the play-offs, but the Cowboys (blecchh) take the division & probably the number one seed.

Oh, and I hate that I was soooo wrong about Elliot.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1155512]The Giants have their strengths. The short passing game and a solid pass rush. However, they are much further from being a complete team than us and the Cowboys.

The loss to Dallas and the non-win against Cinci will likely really come back to haunt us. Change those outcomes and we are playing for the division lead on Thanksgiving.

I am going out on a limb and saying I think we hit another win streak over the next five games. At the end of the year, we still end up in 2nd because, as much as I hate to admit it, I just don't know where the Cowboys lose three games. They have us, the Ravens, Detroit & T. Bay at home and Minnesota, Giants and Eagles away.

I say we beat them, that's one. I suspect they will lose to two others on the list - just cause. However, we would need to run the table and have them go 4-3 to close out the season to win the division. Just don't see those two things happening. We are going to lose at least one more game, probably two. Depending on how things break down, I think we make the play-offs, but the Cowboys (blecchh) take the division & probably the number one seed.

Oh, and I hate that I was soooo wrong about Elliot.[/quote]

I hate:
I was wrong about Elliot
Philly spends multiple picks on Wentz, gets them back and Wentz plays good (I hope he flubs long term)
Dallas uses a 4th round pick and appears to have a long term starter
KC's pick in the redzone in the first game
NYG spends lavishly in FA and at least sees production from several starters.
Hopkins miss
That I have to root for Baltimore this weekend.

that, even I think we have a very potent offense and defense, we still may be 3rd in the division, because our coach lacks, imo, the go for the throat mentality.

But here's looking at a path to the SB that includes defeating NYG, Seattle, Dallas!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1155453]Well that approach has not worked this year. The other game escapes me right now but we did the exact samething (big first quarter, terrible second quarter). As an offense, you have to see adjustments...the Vikings adjusted after the first 2 drives. Also, Im not advocating for joe gibbs conservative, but you go up 2 scores...you start grinding and controlling that line of scrimmage and keep that defense on the sideline. Because when you start aggressively throwing...man, the turnover probability goes way up and you stop the clock. Folks I like Cousins...he is not Aaron Rogers, tom Brady, etc.

The Vikings did the predictable...they went hurry up and more aggressive playcalling. So the defense feels more pressure, get worn out, and gives up scores.

That second quarter was a momentum killer and effective allowed the Vikings to win the first half of that game.

Fat Rob showed his worth in the second half...and first quarter. Don't get away from running the ball, we are a much much better team and offense.[/quote]

I don't know man. If they go run, run, pass and it's still a three and out, there would be just as many Monday morning QBs saying they went too conservative. My guess is they thought the Vikings would be expecting the run so they didn't...maybe they were overthinking it...who knows. All I'm saying is I appreciate aggressive, and I think we need more of that...at least show the willingness to be aggressive like that so teams can't sit on one thing.

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The old days of salting a game away are over with. A 14-0 lead might as well be 3-0 especially when it's so early in the game. The Vikings caught some breaks and got back into it, that's how shit goes. It's not like we're the 85 Bears who should be blowing teams out.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1155558]I don't know man. If they go run, run, pass and it's still a three and out, there would be just as many Monday morning QBs saying they went too conservative. My guess is they thought the Vikings would be expecting the run so they didn't...maybe they were overthinking it...who knows. All I'm saying is I appreciate aggressive, and I think we need more of that...at least show the willingness to be aggressive like that so teams can't sit on one thing.[/quote]

Word, I'd get it.