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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157026]To me it clearly was a penalty, QB sliding down, Whitner late and leading with his helmet... Overall, considering how bad refereeing is this season, I won't complain about the refs on this game, some missed calls but nothing game changing IMO. We made enough mistakes on our side to lose this one.

I may sound monomaniac, but I really don't see what Whitner is bringing to the table... Missed tackles, slow, gets beaten on coverage, doesn't ever break out from his blocks... I know you may say he's not the one costing us the game but I really don't see why you would play him over Ihenacho. I'm fine with Duke and Blackmon.[/quote]

He's the best stopgap available, you got someone in mind that would be better? Have to wait till next years draft to DL, DE/OLB, S, ILB. This team's defense is a player or 2 away from being excellent.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157028]He's the best stopgap available, you got someone in mind that would be better? Have to wait till next years draft to DL, DE/OLB, S, ILB. [B]This team's defense is a player or 2 away from being excellent.[/B][/quote]

Agreed on that bolded part 100% !

Still not sold on Whitner, did he make a play since we signed him? I have a hard time seeing him as our best stopgap available since he misses too many tackles for my taste

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157029]Agreed on that bolded part 100% !

Still not sold on Whitner, did he make a play since we signed him? I have a hard time seeing him as our best stopgap available since he misses too many tackles for my taste[/quote]

Like I said, who else is available? Whitner is slow but at least he can tackle (maybe so-so lately). That penalty if you see it in realtime, he couldn't stop and wasn't late. The hit on Reed in the endzone should have been a 15 yard penalty.

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Reed is a man!!

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18131168/jordan-reed-plays-shoulder-injury-sustained-early-loss-excels-cowboys]Jordan Reed plays through shoulder injury sustained early in loss, excels against Cowboys[/url]

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I tell you one thing. Ryan Grant has showed himself to be a useless fuck. He needs to go the moment the season ends.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/28693/redskins-missed-chances-haunt-them-again-in-loss-to-dallas]Redskins' missed chances haunt them again in loss to Dallas - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]


This pretty much sums it up for me. I think Cousins had a hell of a game but there were simply too many missed opportunities in the red zone early on that cost us big time in this game. What was it? Three trips to the red zone and no TDs early on? It's not all on Kirk either, but he's going to be the one that shoulders the blame when the offense sputters in the red zone. We know he can do it as noted in the second half so what's the problem? Play calling? Him being timid? Him audibling to a bad play? Who knows really, but we can't keep doing this and expect to go far. If you have 505 yards of offense, you should have way more points than 26. Hell, Dallas had 31 with 353. Skins were 2-5 in redzone while cowboys were 4-4.

Secondly, our defense is still bad and it's expected as much with the type of personnel. I do expect more out of Kerrigan because on that first drive, he whiffed at two tackles and let Dak get away from a sack. You got to make those plays making that kind of money. Our run defense is still bad, but they had their moments when they forced Dallas to 3 and outs. We still gave up 5.8yards per rush. Horrible.


I didn't have any issues with Jay's decisions to onside kick the ball even though many bitch about it. Listen, Jay knew (as did we all) good and well his defense wasn't going to stop the Cowboys so it was better to try for a onside, and let them score fast if you didn't get the recovery. If you kick it off, all you would have done is let them waste more time on the clock and STILL score.

Dustin Hopkins is irritating me. He's here for one thing and he can't seem to do that job consistently or when it counts. We need him to be better.

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I wonder how much a healthy JR and Hall would made today.

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Maybe I missed something but I was confused on a particular sequence. It appeared that Hopkins was lined up to kick the 43 yd field goal and right as they're ready to go, Gruden calls timeout. They snap the ball anyway and Hopkins puts it right through the uprights. Then after the timeout, they attempt the same exact thing but of course this time Hopkins misses. Was it the Redskins that called the timeout and if so, why? It would be like icing your own kicker.

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[quote=Counter-Tre;1157035]Maybe I missed something but I was confused on a particular sequence. It appeared that Hopkins was lined up to kick the 43 yd field goal and right as they're ready to go, Gruden calls timeout. They snap the ball anyway and Hopkins puts it right through the uprights. Then after the timeout, they attempt the same exact thing but of course this time Hopkins misses. Was it the Redskins that called the timeout and if so, why? It would be like icing your own kicker.[/quote]

The timeout was called by Gruden because the play clock was expiring, and the ball was never going to snapped on time. Had he not called it we'd be looking at a longer FG because of the delay of game.

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[quote=punch it in;1156958]Hopkins. But all kickers suck except Bailey. He is not the worst and far from the best.
D just lacks talent in a big big way.
McVay is a moron inside the 20 and a genius outside of it.
Kirk and Reed and Crowder have the potential to do big things here. Hopefully we get some playmakers on the other side of the ball for next year. This team will make a deep run this year I guarantee it. If we had a normal week we beat these guys. They aint much better. Just more rested. Fuck u Dallas.[/quote]

Well said sir . We need some maulers and thumpers in the front 7 , an edge rusher ( speed guy ) , and a safety .

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[quote=Swarley;1157036]The timeout was called by Gruden because the play clock was expiring, and the ball was never going to snapped on time. Had he not called it we'd be looking at a longer FG because of the delay of game.[/quote]

Also, the reason for the timeout was a tackle was late getting on the field for the kick....I believe it was nsekhe. Completely inexcusable

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[quote=Chico23231;1157040]Also, the reason for the timeout was a tackle was late getting on the field for the kick....I believe it was nsekhe. Completely inexcusable[/quote]

Pretty sure it was Moses.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1157028]He's the best stopgap available, you got someone in mind that would be better? Have to wait till next years draft to DL, DE/OLB, S, ILB. This team's defense is a player or 2 away from being excellent.[/QUOTE]



They are a player or three away from being good enough that we will win because our offense rocks.....

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[quote=Chico23231;1157040]Also, the reason for the timeout was a tackle was late getting on the field for the kick....I believe it was nsekhe. Completely inexcusable[/quote]

Just listened to the podcast of the post game.

Scherff went out with an injury and was on the Special Teams unit. Moses was his back up, and was late getting out.

Still inexcusable but seems more like a fog of war issue than pure incompetence.

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The home team wins 62% of Thursday games. We played Sunday night and then Thursday afternoon. I am not discounting their team, but the odds were against us.

We are a good team playing a good team and the results are what they should have been.

If we go out and play to our ability, we should go 10-5-1. This puts us in the wild card spot. It will be the first back to back playoff appearance in many years. This is in year 2 of rebuilding.

I know Dallas has a good group of young players, but this is the nfl. It won't last for long. Look at neck beard, he was next great QB. He hasn't done crap lately. Look at Cam, he hasn't done crap this year.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1157046]Just listened to the podcast of the post game.

Scherff went out with an injury and was on the Special Teams unit. Moses was his back up, and was late getting out.

Still inexcusable but seems more like a fog of war issue than pure incompetence.[/quote]

Type of mistakes that shouts "this team isn't ready". Fairly terrible mistake

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To add to my earlier post. Last year, people were screaming how great Blake Bortles and Ryan Tannehill are, and how they would take them over KC. This year, they are in the bottom 1/3 of the league.

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[quote=mredskins;1157034]I wonder how much a healthy JR and Hall would made today.[/quote]

hall prob not much, he was toast the first 2 games

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We have to get stronger up the middle of the defense. Strong safety, ILB and DT/de....I said it in the offseason and we sat on our hands. It's killing this team.

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How did they sit on their hands last year? Are we not better this year than last year? You can only fill so many holes. As long as Scot M and team are still here, we will be better next year. We have two rookies playing significant minutes on defense. We have two people on pace for double digit sacks. When was the last time we had that?

The Kyshoen Jarrett injury really hurt the depth at CB and Safety.

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dallas has been good for a few years now, 2 yrs ago they went like 12-4.. last yr was all bcuz of romo. We are starting to head in that same direction.

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I personally do not like to watch Thursday Night Football. The quality of the product the NFL outs on the field on Thursday night is just awful. Players bodies do not recover enough from the pounding the previous Sunday. The road team has a travel day, and there is not enough time to prepare. And it shows in every TNF game. Have not seen one yet I would call 'a classic'. But there are 32 teams in the league and all 32 have to play a Thursday game. Some, like Dallas, have to play two Thursday games in a season.

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I just cannot get over the difference in our offense inside and outside the RZ. I am more comfortable at 3-16 around midfield than at 1st and goal at the goal line.
No team has ever put up those kind of numbers on offense and lost I think I heard???? No turnovers and over 500 yards total offense and we lost?????

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1157057]I personally do not like to watch Thursday Night Football. The quality of the product the NFL outs on the field on Thursday night is just awful. Players bodies do not recover enough from the pounding the previous Sunday. The road team has a travel day, and there is not enough time to prepare. And it shows in every TNF game. Have not seen one yet I would call 'a classic'. But there are 32 teams in the league and all 32 have to play a Thursday game. Some, like Dallas, have to play two Thursday games in a season.[/quote]

yeah I dont see it staying around next yr

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[quote=Chico23231;1157052]We have to get stronger up the middle of the defense. Strong safety, ILB and DT/de....I said it in the offseason and we sat on our hands. It's killing this team.[/quote]

Is the consensus that Dallas D has more talent than we do?

Lee the LB is very good but other than him, I don't believe they have much.

They are extremely well coached and stop the run first.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1157060]Is the consensus that Dallas D has more talent than we do?



Lee the LB is very good but other than him, I don't believe they have much.



They are extremely well coached and stop the run first.[/QUOTE]



I agree. Marinelli is a much better DC than Barry.

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The Cowboys played a good game and didn't make many mistakes. Really none on offense.

We could have played a lot better and left a lot of points on the board.

Dallas is a really good team. And we only lost by 5.

We're right there. A few pieces away on defense and some serious red zone issues to work out. They really need to scrap the whole RZ playbook and create a brand new one. And it better not include any direct snaps to the RB.

Sandtrap, please beat the Giants and Eagles! We would be much obliged.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1157053]How did they sit on their hands last year? Are we not better this year than last year? You can only fill so many holes. As long as Scot M and team are still here, we will be better next year. We have two rookies playing significant minutes on defense. We have two people on pace for double digit sacks. When was the last time we had that?

The Kyshoen Jarrett injury really hurt the depth at CB and Safety.[/quote]

Clearly we didn't do enough on the dline. Wil Compton is a nice player, but that shit yesterday convinced me we need to upgrade. Strong safety, better than last year, but still not there. Cravens is great. Preston smith was fairly bad yesterday.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1157060]Is the consensus that Dallas D has more talent than we do?

Lee the LB is very good but other than him, I don't believe they have much.

They are extremely well coached and stop the run first.[/quote]

Not at all, they just have a top 3 d coordinator in league. Coaching matters. Fact

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Really, really bummed today. The first three drives sunk us by simply not converting drives into TD'S.

It was the worst our RZ offense has looked in a while. Once we got inside the 10 we just simply self destructed. "oh know! we're near the goal line what the f*** do we do now??? Better call a timeout!" "No ... I know! Let's try a direct snap!!"

On defense, just a general lack of team speed and no real every down playmakers in the center of the field.

Still ... we have a good team and a solid shot at the playoffs this year.

Gotta get back up and play two tough road games. I still believe this is a solid team and better times are on there way.

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DAK is Alex smith , ive said it all yr long. Not hating on the guy he does a great job at managing the game.

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Preston Smith and Kerrigan are very similar players (big guys that really only have 1 move), obviously Kerrigan is better, but their style is the same. You could say the same about Murphy. We need a speed rusher. I believe they will draft an OLB.

Based on watching our defense next year, there aren't many guys that I think should be starting on a playoff caliber team.

CB - Norman
CB - Breeland
FS - Draft or Free Agent
SS - Draft or Free Agent
OLB - Draft or Free Agent
MLB - Cravens
MLB - Draft or Free Agent
OLB - Kerrigan
DE - Draft or Free Agent
NT - Draft or Free Agent
DE - Baker

Now, I'm not saying all of these will actually happen, but I could see a lot of guys being replaced. Depending on how Fuller plays the last 5 games, we might also need a new slot CB.

Basically need a lot of help right down the middle.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1157066]DAK is Alex smith , ive said it all yr long. Not hating on the guy he does a great job at managing the game.

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C'mon, he's better in his rookie year than Smith is now. He looks like a great QB so far.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1157068]Preston Smith and Kerrigan are very similar players (big guys that really only have 1 move), obviously Kerrigan is better, but their style is the same. You could say the same about Murphy. We need a speed rusher. I believe they will draft an OLB.

Based on watching our defense next year, there aren't many guys that I think should be starting on a playoff caliber team.

CB - Norman
CB - Breeland
FS - Draft or Free Agent
SS - Draft or Free Agent
OLB - Draft or Free Agent
MLB - Cravens
MLB - Draft or Free Agent
OLB - Kerrigan
DE - Draft or Free Agent
NT - Draft or Free Agent
DE - Baker

Now, I'm not saying all of these will actually happen, but I could see a lot of guys being replaced. Depending on how Fuller plays the last 5 games, we might also need a new slot CB.

Basically need a lot of help right down the middle.[/quote]

Next years draft should be all D. DL, S, ILB, OLB/DE

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157070]Next years draft should be all D. DL, S, ILB, OLB/DE[/quote]

Yeah, obviously BPA plays a major role in the draft, hence how we got Doctson, but in an ideal world the BPA (or very close to the BPA) are all defensive players. I really don't see any holes on our offense that need to be replaced now that Long has been established as a solid center. I trust Scott to get the job done for next year.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/28708/jay-gruden-defends-coaching-gambles-as-players-praise-aggressiveness]Washington Redskins' Jay Gruden defends gambles vs. Dallas Cowboys - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1157073]Yeah, obviously BPA plays a major role in the draft, hence how we got Doctson, but in an ideal world the BPA (or very close to the BPA) are all defensive players. I really don't see any holes on our offense that need to be replaced now that Long has been established as a solid center. I trust Scott to get the job done for next year.[/QUOTE]



And thank God we got Doctson. Lol. I know he could be potentially very good even great. Who knows? Im being a wiseguy. But I wouldn't argue BPA using him as an example of why it works at this point because we know nothing about him at this level.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1157068]Preston Smith and Kerrigan are very similar players (big guys that really only have 1 move), obviously Kerrigan is better, but their style is the same. You could say the same about Murphy. We need a speed rusher. I believe they will draft an OLB.

Based on watching our defense next year, there aren't many guys that I think should be starting on a playoff caliber team.

CB - Norman
CB - Breeland
FS - Draft or Free Agent
SS - Draft or Free Agent
OLB - Draft or Free Agent
MLB - Cravens
MLB - Draft or Free Agent
OLB - Kerrigan
DE - Draft or Free Agent
NT - Draft or Free Agent
DE - Baker

Now, I'm not saying all of these will actually happen, but I could see a lot of guys being replaced. Depending on how Fuller plays the last 5 games, we might also need a new slot CB.

Basically need a lot of help right down the middle.[/quote]

Good post.

Am I the only one liking Mason Foster at MLB? Not a pro bowler but a very solid tackler, helping us against the run.

I also think if we improve at DL, Murphy and Smith can do the job at OLB.

In an ideal world, I agree with you, but as somebody said, you can only fill so many holes.

Realistically, I think priority should be SS, FS and DL. I can live with keeping Baker, Kerrigan, Murphy(Smith), Cravens, Foster, Norman and Breeland as starters.

IMO Will Compton isn't physical enough but he seems to be a great team guy in the locker room and on the field... Don't know what to think about him.

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There are plenty of B list things to complain about like the sun in your eyes and stuff but we lost this game because of our defense.
The players and the coaching.
We needed to slap around Prescott and we did not.
Especially while he was stiff arming our secondary and running into the end zone.
That first drive of the game was just stupid.
Its like we were Leesburg High School.
The offseason needs to be about defense.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1157080]There are plenty of B list things to complain about like the sun in your eyes and stuff but we lost this game because of our defense.
The players and the coaching.
We needed to slap around Prescott and we did not.
[B]Especially while he was stiff arming our secondary[/B] and running into the end zone.
That first drive of the game was just stupid.
Its like we were Leesburg High School.
The offseason needs to be about defense.[/quote]

Whitner. Again. Clap clap clap.