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I know the Everett play was bad but look at it this way, if he doesn't smack Sproles, he is out there on that last drive and could have gotten them the game winning TD.....

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1158696]I also think we're all getting damn greedy. :)

If you told me last year this would be our record right now, I'd have literally done back-flips.

Most of us picked us to have a worse record but be a better team. I think we could say with confidence that's what happened this year. The Bengals tie still pisses me off to no end (AND the Lions loss, but it looks like he's doing that to everyone) but we're doing damn good considering where we were a few years ago. I think a heavy investment into defense in the offseason to where the offense doesn't have to carry the team and we'll look like a legitimate contender.[/quote]

Yeah you're right. Things could be a lot worse, I am thankful for the progress we've made this year and even though there is room for improvement we are still way better than we were for the longest time.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1158696]I also think we're all getting damn greedy. :)



If you told me last year this would be our record right now, I'd have literally done back-flips.



Most of us picked us to have a worse record but be a better team. I think we could say with confidence that's what happened this year. The Bengals tie still pisses me off to no end (AND the Lions loss, but it looks like he's doing that to everyone) but we're doing damn good considering where we were a few years ago. I think a heavy investment into defense in the offseason to where the offense doesn't have to carry the team and we'll look like a legitimate contender.[/QUOTE]



Exactly. Bottom line is that we are real close to being a one loss team rite now! Are you kidding me? There is not one team that would say, "ok we got the Skins this week - we should win this game". Not one. We are legit rite now because of that alone. Two years ago, and for many years prior, we were considered a gimme. We were a dumpster fire, and nobody was taking us seriously. On top of that our season would be well over in late October. We are in the midst of a two year period where we win more than we lose, and this year we never get blown out. Now people like to complain that we are never winning comfortably. Lol.

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Wow good news on cravens...elbow flexor, week to week. Man the way they were taking yesterday it seemed like cravens would be out for awhile, possibly the year.

Wild Compton is also week to week...sounds like both avoided major injuries

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1158726]Wow good news on cravens...elbow flexor, week to week. Man the way they were taking yesterday it seemed like cravens would be out for awhile, possibly the year.



Wild Compton is also week to week...sounds like both avoided major injuries[/QUOTE]



Nice!

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[quote=Chico23231;1158726]Wow good news on cravens...elbow flexor, week to week. Man the way they were taking yesterday it seemed like cravens would be out for awhile, possibly the year.

Wild Compton is also week to week...sounds like both avoided major injuries[/quote]

I saw that, we dodged a bullett and feel better about our playoff chances.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1158717]I know the Everett play was bad but look at it this way, if he doesn't smack Sproles, he is out there on that last drive and could have gotten them the game winning TD.....[/quote]

True.

I can see where the Eagles would be upset with the hit. However I do think the fact that they lost flamed that fire more so.

The way I look at it is; [B]at least it's not us anymore. [/B] I used to watch teams come into FedEx and smack us right in the mouth and laugh as they walked out with a W. When Scot McC took over and said, "We won't always get a win but after you play the Redskins, you're gonna feel it." I was ecstatic and wanted to see that happen, and it has. In this league it's either Hit or Get Hit and we've gotten more and more physical the past two years.

We've beaten the Eagles FIVE times in a row. We're laying people out and playing with enough emotion to start fights/scuffles. This is how football is [I]supposed[/I] to be played. I'm loving every minute of this season and the overall Scot McC rebuild.

Another year or two and we have a legitimate contender boys.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158726]Wow good news on cravens...elbow flexor, week to week. Man the way they were taking yesterday it seemed like cravens would be out for awhile, possibly the year.

Wild Compton is also week to week...sounds like both avoided major injuries[/quote]

Yes! Great news on both counts..

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[quote=Chico23231;1158726]Wow good news on cravens...elbow flexor, week to week. Man the way they were taking yesterday it seemed like cravens would be out for awhile, possibly the year.

Wild Compton is also week to week...sounds like both avoided major injuries[/quote]

This is good news, thanks for sharing. I won't expect them back within the next two weeks but if we made the playoffs we definitely could use them

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[quote=Chico23231;1158712]I thought Kujo was fairly terrible yesterday....he had a tough assignment, but I saw him get dominated in pass pro a couple times and flat out killed on run blocking. Lauvoa is better. Sullivan was decent yesterday. Maybe put Spencer Long in at LG Sullivan at Center.

I think we should slide Bree into slot coverage, see if that helps.[/quote]

Keim didn't think so, neither did I

I’m sticking with a blocking theme because the Redskins did a rather solid job of it, including left guard Arie Kouandjio in his second start. The Eagles’ interior is excellent, with Bennie Logan and Fletcher Cox. Kouandjio sometimes had issues, but most of them seemed to be ones coaching and experience can help

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[quote=mooby;1158667]How did I forget Baushad Breeland? He still played like ass today, admitted he was better in the second half but not by much. No way I'd rely on him next year. He played like ass for 8 consecutive quarters, there's no way I let him off the hook for the 2nd half. Did anyone notice how Dunbar was getting picked on in the second half too? Good kid but he was getting exposed too. And when he's getting picked on it's easy to forget about Breeland.

Another negative: When your d is so bad the opposing coach doesn't even have to think about going for it on 4th down, he just does. Total lack of respect, and well deserved too. When you have 3rd and 14 and you turn it into a 4th and 1, I mean our d deserves all the scorn they get. You used to love those situations, now I just sit there wondering if the drive is gonna stop before they score or not.

I will give the d some credit, we have our best record at this stage in years and we wouldn't be winning if they were giving up points as much as they give up yards. But the games where they don't get stops turn into easy wins for our opponents, like the Dallas/Cards game.

As for Everett, the rules all state you have to give the PR time to catch the ball. He didn't, at all. If that was Crowder back there we'd be up in arms over it. A good punt defender slows down as he reaches the catch spot, then waits for the guy to catch it before he hopefully lowers the boom using his shoulder. Everett did none of those things, he just went straight for the head. It doesn't matter how short Sproles is, or what angle he took. You have to give him the time and space necessary to make the catch.

I know this is a lot of bitching over a win, but this team has a lot of room for improvement. We could be talking about a loss if the d doesn't get to Wentz on the last play of their drive.

Rocnrik, just because I believe we can make the playoffs doesn't mean I think we will go far, [B]all it takes is a good defense to shut down our offense and we probably don't stand a chance[/B]. If we did make the playoffs, I'd put good odds on getting bounced in the first round, either by Seattle or the Packers. The Packers look to be rounding into form after that beatdown today, and I know better than to bet against Seattle in the playoffs, especially at home.[/quote]


We've played three of the top five defenses (Baltimore, Minnesota, Arizona) and won two of those games...probably should have beat the Cardinals too...

Good defenses don't scare me. Barely competent offenses, and halfway decent QBs scare me, because the defense is exploitable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158712]I thought Kujo was fairly terrible yesterday....he had a tough assignment, but I saw him get dominated in pass pro a couple times and flat out killed on run blocking. Lauvoa is better. Sullivan was decent yesterday. Maybe put Spencer Long in at LG Sullivan at Center.

[B]I think we should slide Bree into slot coverage, see if that helps.[/B][/quote]

I think he did play a lot in slot coverage this week, Dunbar was often lined up outside, am I wrong?

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Gruden mentioned that the TD Sproles caught was on Smith. He didn't take his guy and left Breeland in a tough spot.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1158768]Gruden mentioned that the TD Sproles caught was on Smith. He didn't take his guy and left Breeland in a tough spot.[/quote]

Smith is worthless. Scot wasted a high draft pick on him. Nevertheless, Breeland has managed to screw up plenty on his own.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1158779]Smith is worthless. Scot wasted a high draft pick on him. Nevertheless, Breeland has managed to screw up plenty on his own.[/QUOTE]
He showed promise last year. I think he's just having a sophomore slump.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1158766]I think he did play a lot in slot coverage this week, Dunbar was often lined up outside, am I wrong?[/quote]

Not in all packages, I saw him get beat and make plays playing boundry corner

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1158747]Keim didn't think so, neither did I

I’m sticking with a blocking theme because the Redskins did a rather solid job of it, including left guard Arie Kouandjio in his second start. The Eagles’ interior is excellent, with Bennie Logan and Fletcher Cox. Kouandjio sometimes had issues, but most of them seemed to be ones coaching and experience can help[/quote]

I saw Kujo get handled a lot. I think Luavao is better....but if we say hey lets see what we have the rest of the season then I got no problem. But Kujo hasn't showed much so far. I know he was one of the disappointments in camp.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1158780]He showed promise last year. I think he's just having a sophomore slump.[/quote]

If I had to name the biggest disappointment on the roster, Preston Smith is the clear winner. He's been terrible folks.

Lotta love for McC, but

1. Preston Smith
2. Matt Jones
3. Breeland

huge disappointments folks. period. Bree and Jones actually could be gone next year. Yes, they could be gone.

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Another reason we need to load up on defense in the draft.

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As we've seen with the emergence of Murphy this year it's way too early to give up hope on guys like Smith and Breeland.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1158784]If I had to name the biggest disappointment on the roster, Preston Smith is the clear winner. He's been terrible folks.



Lotta love for McC, but



1. Preston Smith

2. Matt Jones

3. Breeland



huge disappointments folks. period. Bree and Jones actually could be gone next year. Yes, they could be gone.[/QUOTE]



I will hold off on adding Fuller to the list, though I did not like the pick than and he has shown very little this year. He is a rook though so maybe. I will also say anything after round 4 it seems like he is just throwing darts.
He has some gems too like Crowder though.

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[quote=MTK;1158786]As we've seen with the emergence of Murphy this year it's way too early to give up hope on guys like Smith and Breeland.[/quote]

Preston isn't going anywhere...like I said last week, Hatcher had a big impact playing next to Preston. He was a force that allowed Preston to thrive. Now playing next to him is Ziggy Hood, Ricky Jean. Not the same impact folks.

I agree Charlie Casserly that Fuller is a boundry corner and not a slot guy. He never played that technique with the Hookies. Certainly has shown this year. So I think they will give Fuller the opportunity for the outside job next year across from Norman. Bree doesn't have a ton behind him and should be safe, but a lot of things could happen in the offseason and a decision to move from him if he doesn't show in the preseason certainly wouldn't be a shock after this season.

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[quote=punch it in;1158787]I will hold off on adding Fuller to the list, though I did not like the pick than and he has shown very little this year. He is a rook though so maybe. I will also say anything after round 4 it seems like he is just throwing darts.
He has some gems too like Crowder though.[/quote]

Fuller isn't going anywhere and isn't a slot corner.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1158787]I will hold off on adding Fuller to the list, though I did not like the pick than and he has shown very little this year. He is a rook though so maybe. I will also say anything after round 4 it seems like he is just throwing darts.
He has some gems too like Crowder though.[/QUOTE]



And Fat Rob

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[quote=MTK;1158791]And Fat Rob[/quote]

Fat Rob and Chris Thompson have been great this year. But I think we will be in the RB market again this offseason.

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[quote=MTK;1158786]As we've seen with the emergence of Murphy this year it's way too early to give up hope on guys like Smith and Breeland.[/quote]

Smith lacks quickness and foot speed. That isn't going to change; therefore, he does not belong at the OLB position. He needs to gain 30 pounds so they can try him at DE. If he doesn't make it at DE, then...

Breeland has the physical talent to play in the NFL but he still has a lot of learning to do.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1158792]Fat Rob and Chris Thompson have been great this year. But I think we will be in the RB market again this offseason.[/QUOTE]


You can never have enough backs but with Rob and CT I think we're looking pretty good.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158784]If I had to name the biggest disappointment on the roster, Preston Smith is the clear winner. He's been terrible folks.

Lotta love for McC, but

1. Preston Smith
2. Matt Jones
3. Breeland

huge disappointments folks. period. Bree and Jones actually could be gone next year. Yes, they could be gone.[/quote]

Pretty sure McC did not draft Breeland. But of those 3, Breeland has the most potential. We've seen him play extremely well. I would keep him around. We could probably sign him fairly cheap after this season.

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[quote=MTK;1158794]You can never have enough backs but with Rob and CT I think we're looking pretty good.[/quote]

CT and Trent Murphy, I think we should take a look at possible extensions for both. Probably affordable prices for pivotal role players

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[quote=Chico23231;1158796]CT and Trent Murphy, I think we should take a look at possible extensions for both. Probably affordable prices for pivotal role players[/quote]

Good idea! I think they both would have suitors on the FA market.

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Of 17 picks (fat rob and undrafted guys aside - not that they do not count, but I can not recall them) we have three definite long term keepers. Scherff, Crowder, Cravens. Spaight could be a solid ST guy and maybe make a splash in the rotation. Koujo could be good depth and an eventual starter. Overall I cannot look at these 17 picks right now and think wow Scot nailed it. It is super early though. In two years we will know for sure.
Smith Jones at two and three is looking just God awful. Doctson is the big "maybe". I know a lot of people like the Ioannidis pick. I do not.

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I'm not ready to give up on Matt Jones. I realize that it may be over for him here but other RB's have fixed their fumbling problems. I'm pretty sure he gets the point about holding onto the ball by now. I hope he gets one more chance to contribute at some point, even if it is next season.

He is an effort guy who can also catch the ball. We all know he is tough to tackle. If he could just learn how to run lower and protect the ball...

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1158796]CT and Trent Murphy, I think we should take a look at possible extensions for both. Probably affordable prices for pivotal role players[/QUOTE]



CT is the unsung hero. At least once or twice every game he makes a clutch run or catch and run. Dude has a motor. I think he is our change of pace/third down back for years to come.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1158800]I'm not ready to give up on Matt Jones, either. I realize that it may be over for him here but others have fixed their fumbling problems. I'm pretty sure he gets the point about holding onto the ball by now. I hope he gets one more chance to contribute at some point, even if it is next season.



He is an effort guy who can also catch the ball. We all know he is tough to tackle. If he could just learn how to run lower and protect the ball...[/QUOTE]



There is never a good time to fumble but man it seems like he coughs it up at the worst times. I really could care less if he ever gets another shot. I think between Fat Rob and CT we have 2 of the three. I am hoping that we draft a gem or pick one up in FA to go along with them. Maybe even be thee guy. In that case Jones is done in Washington for sure.

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[quote=punch it in;1158802]There is never a good time to fumble but man it seems like he coughs it up at the worst times. I really could care less if he ever gets another shot. I think between Fat Rob and CT we have 2 of the three. I am hoping that we draft a gem or pick one up in FA to go along with them. Maybe even be thee guy. In that case Jones is done in Washington for sure.[/quote]

He's on the bench for a good reason but I don't see any downside to bringing him back to training camp next season. If he works his tail off and fixes his fumbling problem, he could help the team. Honestly, I just hate to see a good young man with talent fail.

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Before you know it, Kouandjio will be our LG for a long time. Kid had a tough assignment against Logan and Cox and held his own despite some rough moments going against Cox. As for Breeland and Smith, I keep them both. They've shown they can play in the past, you don't get rid of a player cause they've had a subpar season.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1158804]Before you know it, Kouandjio will be our LG for a long time. Kid had a tough assignment against Logan and Cox and held his own despite some rough moments going against Cox. As for Breeland and Smith, I keep them both. They've shown they can play in the past, you don't get rid of a player cause they've had a subpar season.[/quote]

We will see with Kujo, would like to see him grab the job over someone else.

Smith has been far worse than subpar, but like I said he stays for sure.

Bree...probably make or break year next year, BUT if McC decides to move on no surprise. Bree has been terrible...burn unit all year. He was god-aweful beginning of the year. We will see, I expected the dude to breakout this year, he was great in preseason.

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Breeland made such elementary mistakes against Philly that it was alarming. It was as if he did not understand his assignments at all. You can fix technique but not stupid.
Shame because Breeland was a baller in the making at one point or so it seemed. Code red baller down. [emoji45]

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Redskins signed LB Nick Moody.

It's the first time we've heard Moody's name in months after facing a four-game suspension and also dealing with legal issues during the offseason. He also worked out for the Chiefs before ultimately choosing to sign with Washington. Moody spent most of 2015 on the Seahawks' practice squad. The Redskins needed an extra body at linebacker after losing Will Compton to a knee injury in Week 14.

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[quote=Chico23231;1158782]Not in all packages, I saw him get beat and make plays playing boundry corner[/quote]

Exactly, but he did play a bit at the nickel spot right? (not a rhetorical question, I watched the game live but not since, so not sure)