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For the Redskins, the course of action with Thompson is incredibly obvious: assign the 2nd round tender to ensure we retain him at around $2.6M in 2017, and make him prove one more time that he can stay healthy. If he does, then decide in 2018 whether you think he's worth a Darren Sproles type of contract.

You could eliminate the hemming and hawing and commit to him now, if you were convinced he is durable enough, and give him a 3 or 4 year deal similar to that of Sproles. But the cap implications of that wouldn't be much different from the $2.6M tender, so no real incentive to do that.

I'd bet good money he'll get a 2nd round tender and play on it in 2017.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161655]Exclusive-rights free agents
Exclusive-rights free agents (ERFAs) are players with two or fewer seasons of service time and whose contracts have expired. If their team tenders a qualifying offer (a one-year contract usually at league-minimum salary) the player has no negotiating rights with other teams, and must either sign the tender with the team or sit out the season.[5]

Restricted free agents
Restricted free agents (RFAs) are players who have three or fewer accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. RFAs have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until a deadline which occurs approximately a week prior to the NFL Draft (for 2010 the deadline was April 15), at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player.[6]

Unrestricted free agents
Unrestricted free agents are players with expired contracts that have completed four or more accrued seasons of service. They are free to sign with any franchise.[6]

Undrafted free agents
Undrafted free agents are players eligible for the NFL Draft but who are not selected; they can negotiate and sign with any team.

So Chris Thompson actually has 4 seasons under his belt, but he only officially accrued three NFL seasons because he was hurt so much for one of them (you have to be on the roster or practice squad for 6+ games in a season to have an accrued season, and not on IR during that time). So Thompson only has 3 accrued seasons right now, making him an RFA instead of a UFA.[/quote]

Very helpful. Thank you.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161503]What would you do? You can't resign everyone and still expect a free agent bonanza - there will be some choices to make. Want Kawaan Short? You'll probably need to let a WR walk.

Also the numbers shown here next to most player names are educated guesses at cap impact. Feel free to debate those, but they shouldn't be more than a million or two off for each player.[/quote]

of these guys, i'd like to keep:

[B]Kirk Cousins Franchise Tag ($24.0M)[/B]
[B]Pierre Garcon ($8.0M)[/B] - is his cap number really going to be $8m, though?!?
[B]Chris Baker ($8.0M)[/B]
Vernon Davis ($3.0M)
[B]Junior Galette ($1.5M)
Nick Sundberg ($1.0M)[/B]
Ziggy Hood ($2.0M)
Greg Toler ($1.0M)
Chris Thompson ($3.0M)
[B]Will Compton ($4.0M)[/B]
Duke Ihenacho ($1.0M)

davis, hood, toler, thompson, and ihenacho can hit the bricks.

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[quote=los panda;1161712]of these guys, i'd like to keep:

[B]Kirk Cousins Franchise Tag ($24.0M)[/B]
[B]Pierre Garcon ($8.0M)[/B] - is his cap number really going to be $8m, though?!?
[B]Chris Baker ($8.0M)[/B]
Vernon Davis ($3.0M)
[B]Junior Galette ($1.5M)
Nick Sundberg ($1.0M)[/B]
Ziggy Hood ($2.0M)
Greg Toler ($1.0M)
Chris Thompson ($3.0M)
[B]Will Compton ($4.0M)[/B]
Duke Ihenacho ($1.0M)

davis, hood, toler, thompson, and ihenacho can hit the bricks.[/quote]

Surprised no love for Chris Thompson. Blitz pickup is an underappreciated skill it seems, but he threw a lot of blocks that saved Kirk's ass on some of those long-developing downfield routes. For Gruden's offense to work the backs absolutely have to pick up the blitz. Ironically, Clinton Portis would have been the absolute ideal Gruden back. Remember how wicked he was on stoning blitzing LBs?

Anyway, Garcon could be less than $8M but he's a 1000 yard receiver, who could potentially put up more in an offense that featured him more often, like in 2013 when he put up 1,346 as our only WR worth a crap. But he's 30, so if the Skins bring him back I'm assuming it will be on a 2 or 3 year deal, which of course minimizes your ability to spread a signing bonus over the life of the deal.

He's worth $9M a year on the open market in my mind, so $8M cap hit seems reasonable. He just came off a 5 year contract that paid him $8.5M per year, and that was signed 5 years ago. So on one hand you apply some inflation, on the other you shave a little value off because he's 30. So figure he'll get $9M or $10M per year on the open market.

If we gave him $27M over 3 years, the cap hit could be $8M in year 1, $9M in year 2, and $10M in year 3 depending how you structure it.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161715]Surprised no love for Chris Thompson. Blitz pickup is an underappreciated skill it seems, but he threw a lot of blocks that saved Kirk's ass on some of those long-developing downfield routes. For Gruden's offense to work the backs absolutely have to pick up the blitz. Ironically, Clinton Portis would have been the absolute ideal Gruden back. Remember how wicked he was on stoning blitzing LBs?

Anyway, Garcon could be less than $8M but he's a 1000 yard receiver, who could potentially put up more in an offense that featured him more often, like in 2013 when he put up 1,346 as our only WR worth a crap. But he's 30, so if the Skins bring him back I'm assuming it will be on a 2 or 3 year deal, which of course minimizes your ability to spread a signing bonus over the life of the deal.

He's worth $9M a year on the open market in my mind, so $8M cap hit seems reasonable. He just came off a 5 year contract that paid him $8.5M per year, and that was signed 5 years ago. So on one hand you apply some inflation, on the other you shave a little value off because he's 30. So figure he'll get $9M or $10M per year on the open market.

If we gave him $27M over 3 years, the cap hit could be $8M in year 1, $9M in year 2, and $10M in year 3 depending how you structure it.[/quote]

you're dead on about thompson's blitz pickup.

he's one i could go either way on. i have it in my head that it's a sin to sign or re-sign rbs.

i feel like you can always find them late in the draft or even as undrafted free agents.

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^ coming from the guy who wanted us to sign forte or foster this past offseason.

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Thompson had several game changing plays this season. He a big time quiet baller...I think he is extension material.

He woulda had another big play last weekend end of game if it wasn't for that damn Snacks Harrison...

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[quote=los panda;1161722]you're dead on about thompson's blitz pickup.

he's one i could go either way on. i have it in my head that it's a sin to sign or re-sign rbs.

[B]i feel like you can always find them late in the draft or even as undrafted free agents[/B].[/quote]

That's a good point. They usually don't come in ready to pick up the blitz, though. Luckily we could keep Thompson without spending much dough. My issue with him is durability. He played all 16 this season, but can he do it again?

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[quote=Schneed10;1161733]That's a good point. They usually don't come in ready to pick up the blitz, though. Luckily we could keep Thompson without spending much dough. My issue with him is durability. He played all 16 this season, but can he do it again?[/quote]

He did his job and then some this year, whether it was blitz pickups, running the ball, or being Kirk's check down option when plays broke down. He's worth the 2nd round tender at minimum, but if they gave him a longer deal I'd be fine with it. He's not going to break the bank and we know he's capable of being our 3rd down back, which is all we need him to be. It's a no-brainer for me.

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[quote=mooby;1161743]He did his job and then some this year, whether it was blitz pickups, running the ball, or being Kirk's check down option when plays broke down. He's worth the 2nd round tender at minimum, but if they gave him a longer deal I'd be fine with it. He's not going to break the bank and we know he's capable of being our 3rd down back, which is all we need him to be. It's a no-brainer for me.[/quote]

he did let landon collins hurdle him to sack kirk cousins though.

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a good defensive coordinator might make a player out of Earl Wolff....he just signed reserve/futures contract with the Redskins

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/earl-wolff?id=2539966]Earl Wolff Draft Profile – NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=los panda;1161794]he did let landon collins hurdle him to sack kirk cousins though.[/quote]

I saw that, but he still managed to slow him down, just not enough. I'm putting that partially on Kirk for not recognizing the blitz though. Besides, as much as I hate to admit it there is a reason Landon Collins is being touted as a potential all-pro. Talented players make plays, that's what they're paid to do. One play doesn't make or break him.

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[quote=mooby;1161831]I saw that, but he still managed to slow him down, just not enough. I'm putting that partially on Kirk for not recognizing the blitz though. Besides, as much as I hate to admit it there is a reason Landon Collins is being touted as a potential all-pro. Talented players make plays, that's what they're paid to do. One play doesn't make or break him.[/quote]

i can dig it, he's just not a guy i would go out of my way to re-sign.

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OP edited to reflect $3.0M saved due to retirement of Kory Lichtensteiger. Saves $3.5M on the cap, then one player gets added back to the rule of 51 at ($0.5M).

Net impact $3.0M saved.

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[quote=Schneed10;1164937]OP edited to reflect $3.0M saved due to retirement of Kory Lichtensteiger. Saves $3.5M on the cap, then one player gets added back to the rule of 51 at ($0.5M).

Net impact $3.0M saved.[/quote]

does his retirement have the same impact on the cap as if we had cut him?

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[quote=los panda;1164941]does his retirement have the same impact on the cap as if we had cut him?[/quote]

Yes

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[quote=Schneed10;1161715]Surprised no love for Chris Thompson. Blitz pickup is an underappreciated skill it seems, but he threw a lot of blocks that saved Kirk's ass on some of those long-developing downfield routes. For Gruden's offense to work the backs absolutely have to pick up the blitz. Ironically, Clinton Portis would have been the absolute ideal Gruden back. Remember how wicked he was on stoning blitzing LBs?

Anyway, Garcon could be less than $8M but he's a 1000 yard receiver, who could potentially put up more in an offense that featured him more often, like in 2013 when he put up 1,346 as our only WR worth a crap. But he's 30, so if the Skins bring him back I'm assuming it will be on a 2 or 3 year deal, which of course minimizes your ability to spread a signing bonus over the life of the deal.

He's worth $9M a year on the open market in my mind, so $8M cap hit seems reasonable. He just came off a 5 year contract that paid him $8.5M per year, and that was signed 5 years ago. So on one hand you apply some inflation, on the other you shave a little value off because he's 30. So figure he'll get $9M or $10M per year on the open market.

If we gave him $27M over 3 years, the cap hit could be $8M in year 1, $9M in year 2, and $10M in year 3 depending how you structure it.[/quote]

Best blocking back we've had since Portis, and solid check down option out of the backfield. Surprised he's not seeing a lot of love. I also agree with you on Garcon. I would be fine with 9/mil a year, we could manage that and there's always renegotiations if necessary.

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Does anyone give updates on the salary cap? Wondering how we stand, with FA signings including Pryor, Cousins franchise tag.. We still need DL in my view, hoping Logan signs -- but not sure how much more we have to spend..

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[quote=ethat001;1167843]Does anyone give updates on the salary cap? Wondering how we stand, with FA signings including Pryor, Cousins franchise tag.. We still need DL in my view, hoping Logan signs -- but not sure how much more we have to spend..[/quote]

[url]http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins[/url]

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Realistically, how much cap space would signing Kirk long term and converting the base salary to bonus free up this year to sign more defensive talent?

Anybody have an educated guess?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1167854]Realistically, how much cap space would signing Kirk long term and converting the base salary to bonus free up this year to sign more defensive talent?

Anybody have an educated guess?[/quote]


ask Bruce Allen

a more likely way to create cap space is cutting a few vets.... it could add $10+ million more money

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Yeah anywhere from 5-12M depending how you structure it.

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$14M in space remaining currently

Kirk took $23.9
Vernon Davis $3.3
DJ Swearinger $3.3
Terrelle Pryor $6.0
Stacy McGee $3.2
Terrell McClain $3.7
Chris Thompson $2.7
Will Compton $1.8
Ty Nsekhe $0.7
Vinston Painter $0.6
Nick Sundberg $1.0

And a whole bunch of guys bumped out of the top 51.

My guess is they'll now hunt for bargains, maybe pay one more starting defensive lineman like Logan or Hankins. After that, plenty more signings, but they will be low salary and thus no significant cap impact once you net out the displaced player from the top 51.

I think they'll enter the season with about $8M in cap space in an attempt to carry some over into 2018 to allow for the possibility of tagging Cousins again at $34M.

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[quote=Schneed10;1167894]$14M in space remaining currently

Kirk took $23.9
Vernon Davis $3.3
DJ Swearinger $3.3
Terrelle Pryor $6.0
Stacy McGee $3.2
Terrell McClain $3.7
Chris Thompson $2.7
Will Compton $1.8
Ty Nsekhe $0.7
Vinston Painter $0.6
Nick Sundberg $1.0

And a whole bunch of guys bumped out of the top 51.

My guess is they'll now hunt for bargains, maybe pay one more starting defensive lineman like Logan or Hankins. After that, plenty more signings, but they will be low salary and thus no significant cap impact once you net out the displaced player from the top 51.

I think they'll enter the season with about $8M in cap space in an attempt to carry some over into 2018 to allow for the possibility of tagging Cousins again at $34M.[/quote]

They can still cut Hall, Lauvao.

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[quote=Schneed10;1167894]$14M in space remaining currently

Kirk took $23.9
Vernon Davis $3.3
DJ Swearinger $3.3
Terrelle Pryor $6.0
Stacy McGee $3.2
Terrell McClain $3.7
Chris Thompson $2.7
Will Compton $1.8
Ty Nsekhe $0.7
Vinston Painter $0.6
Nick Sundberg $1.0

And a whole bunch of guys bumped out of the top 51.

My guess is they'll now hunt for bargains, maybe pay one more starting defensive lineman like Logan or Hankins. After that, plenty more signings, but they will be low salary and thus no significant cap impact once you net out the displaced player from the top 51.

I think they'll enter the season with about $8M in cap space in an attempt to carry some over into 2018 to allow for the possibility of tagging Cousins again at $34M.[/quote]

Makes sense to me. I think one quality DT signing, like Logan or Hankins, is a must. We can get one or two good DE prospects via the draft.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1167896]They can still cut Hall, Lauvao.[/quote]

Indeed. Will they?

Under Cerrato they used to free themselves of contracts like those all the time. Under Bruce it hasn't been that way as much.

I feel like they should divorce from both, but Jay has always liked Hall as a leader. I feel like they would have done it by now if they were going to.

I feel like they'll bring them to camp and let them compete, and if they can't hack it they'll move on then.

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[quote=Schneed10;1167894]$14M in space remaining currently

Kirk took $23.9
Vernon Davis $3.3
DJ Swearinger $3.3
Terrelle Pryor $6.0
Stacy McGee $3.2
Terrell McClain $3.7
Chris Thompson $2.7
Will Compton $1.8
Ty Nsekhe $0.7
Vinston Painter $0.6
Nick Sundberg $1.0

And a whole bunch of guys bumped out of the top 51.

My guess is they'll now hunt for bargains, maybe pay one more starting defensive lineman like Logan or Hankins. After that, plenty more signings, but they will be low salary and thus no significant cap impact once you net out the displaced player from the top 51.

I think they'll enter the season with about $8M in cap space in an attempt to carry some over into 2018 to allow for the possibility of tagging Cousins again at $34M.[/quote]

So are the 'skins back up to around $18M now since they cut RJF?

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[quote=metalskins;1168233]So are the 'skins back up to around $18M now since they cut RJF?[/quote]

I doubt it, Hood is getting something. And RJF was a $3 million dollar savings....$1 million of dead cap space

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[quote=metalskins;1168233]So are the 'skins back up to around $18M now since they cut RJF?[/quote]

Cutting RJF took them up to $16.7M (net of a player added back to the top 51).

Then they signed Ziggy Hood. Cap hit unknown at this time.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1168284]Cutting RJF took them up to $16.7M (net of a player added back to the top 51).

Then they signed Ziggy Hood. Cap hit unknown at this time.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing with 10 picks the Redskins' effective rookies cap hit will be between 3 and 6 M.

So we should have at least 10M left.
If you're right about them wanting to carry 8M for next year's potential Kirk's tag, (that's if they don't sign him long term), that's still enough for one more quality signing!


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Do the numbers being discussed include this deduction?

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/redskins-available-salary-cap-shrinks-2011-bill-comes-due?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo&yptr=yahoo]Redskins' available salary cap shrinks as a 2011 bill comes due | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1168284]Cutting RJF took them up to $16.7M (net of a player added back to the top 51).

Then they signed Ziggy Hood. Cap hit unknown at this time.[/quote]

There are still players who could be cut to create more cap space.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1168918]Do the numbers being discussed include this deduction?

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/redskins-available-salary-cap-shrinks-2011-bill-comes-due?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo&yptr=yahoo]Redskins' available salary cap shrinks as a 2011 bill comes due | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

No it doesn't. Gotta subtract $4.5M in space for this.

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After the penalty, they're currently at $11.35M in space. It's still not totally clear what Zach Brown's cap hit will be. Only thing I've seen so far is that the deal is worth "up to" $4.65M. That means it's got some incentives built in, some of which may not hit the cap at this time.

Let's figure he counts the full $4.65M until we hear otherwise. That means we've got $6.7M left. And as noted quite redundantly by several folks, they could still clear more space by dealing with Hall, Lauvao, and others.

Rookies figure to require about $3.0M in space.

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Cap space is getting a little tight but we can clear more space by cutting Hall, Lauvao, and others.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1168958]Cap space is getting a little tight but we can clear more space by cutting Hall, Lauvao, and others.[/quote]

Though at this point I'd question what we'd do with the space? Unless we're talking about Hankins, who else remaining would be worth more than a couple million a year for us? Don't see many other guys out there getting a payday from us.

Unless they want to clear space to extend Moses.

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[quote=Schneed10;1168966]Though at this point I'd question what we'd do with the space? Unless we're talking about Hankins, who else remaining would be worth more than a couple million a year for us? Don't see many other guys out there getting a payday from us.

Unless they want to clear space to extend Moses.[/quote]

Yeah, I wouldn't use it for the sake of using it. Nothing more will probably be done until after the draft when guys from other teams start getting released. I'd be down with extending Moses too. Gotta keep as many of the core guys you draft as possible.

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[quote=Schneed10;1168966]Though at this point I'd question what we'd do with the space? Unless we're talking about Hankins, who else remaining would be worth more than a couple million a year for us? Don't see many other guys out there getting a payday from us.

Unless they want to clear space to extend Moses.[/quote]

So now that cap space has shrunk, isn't it one more incentive to sign KC long term?

Since they won't carry the space you were expecting them to save for next year in case of a 3rd KC tag.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168984]So now that cap space has shrunk, isn't it one more incentive to signe KC long term?

Since they won't carry the space you were expecting them to save for next year in case of [B]a 3rd KC tag[/B].[/quote]

:puke:

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168984]So now that cap space has shrunk, isn't it one more incentive to signe KC long term?

Since they won't carry the space you were expecting them to save for next year in case of a 3rd KC tag.[/quote]

Good point. We'll find out on July 15. It's definitely what I would do.