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[quote=Schneed10;1161706]I just have this annoying feeling Manusky is going to get the job, based on the tea leaves you can kind of read from my links above. Not sure he'd have the best resume if you could get an application from Gus Bradley, Paul Guenther, Wade Phillips and others who may be available.[/quote]

Keim is saying he is the guy to watch on staff.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1161739]so what about Rex Ryan as a DC? he is not going to get looked at as a HC anytime soon, but was a great 3-4 DC . . . thoughts? I'd be game myself[/quote]

I would personally like to go back to the 4-3, maybe we can get Wilks from Carolina, and sign KK Short in the process lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1161745]Keim is saying he is the guy to watch on staff.[/quote]

I'm hoping that they'll just interview him as a courtesy to McC, but if he gets the job I feel like we'll be getting Barry 2.0. He has been fired multiple times as d-coordinator, idk how that track record doesn't speak for itself.

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I don't want Rex Ryan just because I think he would be a distraction and sure don't want his brother, Potbelly Ryan.

My picks would be either Bradley or Phillips.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1161739]so what about Rex Ryan as a DC? he is not going to get looked at as a HC anytime soon, but was a great 3-4 DC . . . thoughts? I'd be game myself[/quote]


Does he want to be a DC? He has been a HC a while ,king of the hill to speak think he will take to playing second fiddle?

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That would make me vomit if we hired from within on this one. We need someone PROVEN right now. We really don't have a window to let someone learn on the job after fielding shitty defenses in this past. This would be Barry all over again (except he has a bit more experience).

Look at this: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2007.htm]2007 San Francisco 49ers Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

This is even with a pretty talented defense. Gross.

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Argh. Here's his other stop: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/2011.htm]2011 San Diego Chargers Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

After Rivera left (who had an elite defense), it went to shit in his first year.

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Ah, here we go: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ManuGr0.htm]Greg Manusky Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

In his best season he was mediocre at BEST. If you look at some of those teams, there is a shit ton of defensive talent it looks like he got nothing out of.

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Did jay hire joe? I don't remember.. Either way it's a great move

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1161752]Argh. Here's his other stop: [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/2011.htm"]2011 San Diego Chargers Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

After Rivera left (who had an elite defense), it went to shit in his first year.[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1161754]Did jay hire joe? I don't remember.. Either way it's a great move

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Jay did hire Joe. Hopefully he's learned his lesson.

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Jat Gruden had better get this next DC hire right or he may be the next coach out the door.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1161752]Argh. Here's his other stop: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/2011.htm]2011 San Diego Chargers Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

After Rivera left (who had an elite defense), it went to shit in his first year.[/quote]

I don't want this guy coaching our defense

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- No second chance guys (Manusky)
- No unproven up-and-comers
- No a-holes (Rex Ryan)
- Don't over-think it. Just hire the best there is - Wade Phillips.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1161759]Jat Gruden had better get this next DC hire right or he may be the next coach out the door.[/quote]

Just read an article that says that's basically the threat. If you can't hire the right staff how can you be trusted to lead a team?

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1161739]so what about Rex Ryan as a DC? he is not going to get looked at as a HC anytime soon, but was a great 3-4 DC . . . thoughts? I'd be game myself[/quote]

he is going to be on TV, lot shorts hours for about the same pay.

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I still want Wade Phillips :(

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We still have Wes Phillips on staff with the tight ends...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/05/will-washington-make-a-run-at-wade-phillips/]Will Washington make a run at Wade Phillips? | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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It's about damn time! It's a positive that Gruden wants to blow up the entire defensive coaching staff.....Perry Fewell was probably fired because the secondary as a whole greatly underperformed...... I'm looking forward to the Redskins hiring the new DC and I'm anxious to know what coaches he will add to his staff.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1161768]I still want Wade Phillips :()[/quote]

You and me both, brother.

If it's Gus Bradley I'm happy, if it's Manusky I'm pissed. But if it's Wade then I'm ecstatic.

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[url]https://twitter.com/JovaisG/status/817080158762975232[/url]

Galette played under Rob Ryan with the Saints and had 22 sacks. But just, no.

[url]https://twitter.com/JovaisG/status/817081409231880192[/url]

Also played under GW. But GW wouldn't come back here after being shirked for the HC job when Gibbs retired.

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[quote=NCSUredskin;1161746]I would personally like to go back to the 4-3, maybe we can get Wilks from Carolina, and sign KK Short in the process lol[/quote]

we were in the 4 - 3 more than in the 3 - 4 the last couple of years . . . all defences these days are hybrids of sorts that utilize both

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[quote=Giantone;1161750]Does he want to be a DC? He has been a HC a while ,king of the hill to speak think he will take to playing second fiddle?[/quote]

if he wants to coach in the NFL again, DC will be the highest position offered to him . . . nobody is going to offer him a HC position anytime soon.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Gallery/Wade-Phillips-Rex-Ryan-Gus-Bradley-Seven-to-watch-for-Washington-50310470/GallerySlides/446921?utm_source=Breaking&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=170105_Washington%20Redskins%20Newsletter&utm_content=Link]Seven to watch for Redskins defensive coordinator Gallery Slides[/url]

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Mike Nolan would never come back here. Not after all that shit went down with Snyder.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1161739]so what about Rex Ryan as a DC? he is not going to get looked at as a HC anytime soon, but was a great 3-4 DC . . . thoughts? I'd be game myself[/quote]

Rex Ryan isn't going to be a DC again. He'll either get another HC job or go into TV (like Cowher)

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Really, what has Gus Bradley done? Yeah he comes from Seattle where they had talented players, we don't. He failed badly in Jacksonville. I don't know how their D did but it couldn't have been that damn good. He kind of comes off as a Pete Carroll wanna be.

You guys can lol all you want but I've seen Gregg Williams get the most out of sub par talented defenses. He ain't coming back here, but he's probably the best guy out there for this kind of job.

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I would say no to Nolan. I honestly think McCloughan would be pushing heavily for Gus Bradley. It just makes sense. The Seattle connection. I would be very happy with him at the helm for the defense. I don't want to hire from within and I don't want Rex Ryan.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1161780]Really, what has Gus Bradley done? Yeah he comes from Seattle where they had talented players, we don't. He failed badly in Jacksonville. I don't know how their D did but it couldn't have been that damn good. He kind of comes off as a Pete Carroll wanna be.

You guys can lol all you want but I've seen Gregg Williams get the most out of sub par talented defenses. He ain't coming back here, but he's probably the best guy out there for this kind of job.[/quote]

I don't think anybody would laugh about the notion of GW, all of us who remember the Shawn Springs/Marcus Washington/Cornelius Griffin/Sean Taylor/Ryan Clark defense have a special spot in our hearts for that guy.

But like you say he ain't coming back here. He had a clause in his contract that gave him near right of first refusal for the HC job, but Snyder went with Zorn.

Gus Bradley though is a classic case of good defensive coach, poor head coach. Some guys are meant to be coordinators. He built the groundwork for those Seattle defenses. He's noted for his ability to get more out of his talent pool. Boy do we need some of that.

He's a likely target because he was with Jon Gruden in Tampa in 2008 and overlapped with McC in Seattle.

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No surprise. It's pretty obvious that with a better defense, especially when it mattered most, this team would have probably won 11 or more games and would be practicing today.

My vote is for Wilks, although he may get the head coaching job in LA. After Wilks I would go after Wade Phillips. Not too crazy about Gus Bradley after reading what the players are saying about what went on there. Not interested in a promotion from within either, that would be a big mistake in my opinion.

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If we could somehow make nice with Gregg Williams, that would be a home run in my book. I remember his days here and thinking if the offense can get over 17 we will win. It's not like we had the 85' bears players on that team either. With a double G defense and this offense we will win a lot of games, plus I think Scot McC is going to put a hurting that check book this offseason with defensive players.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161783]I don't think anybody would laugh about the notion of GW, all of us who remember the Shawn Springs/Marcus Washington/Cornelius Griffin/Sean Taylor/Ryan Clark defense have a special spot in our hearts for that guy.

But like you say he ain't coming back here. He had a clause in his contract that gave him near right of first refusal for the HC job, but Snyder went with Zorn.

Gus Bradley though is a classic case of good defensive coach, poor head coach. Some guys are meant to be coordinators. He built the groundwork for those Seattle defenses. He's noted for his ability to get more out of his talent pool. Boy do we need some of that.

He's a likely target because he was with Jon Gruden in Tampa in 2008 and overlapped with McC in Seattle.[/quote]

This is a good summary as to why I also want Gus Bradley. I read on ESPN that his defense in J-ville this year was solid even though the overall team was bad. I also have a soft spot for Gregg Williams but we all know he ain't coming back. And if it's Manusky I will be pissed. Wade Phillips is still my #1 choice but do we even know if he's available?

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[quote=mooby;1161786]This is a good summary as to why I also want Gus Bradley. I read on ESPN that his defense in J-ville this year was solid even though the overall team was bad. I also have a soft spot for Gregg Williams but we all know he ain't coming back. And if it's Manusky I will be pissed. Wade Phillips is still my #1 choice but do we even know if he's available?[/quote]

According to the WaPo he tweeted that he's unemployed, and when he interviewed for the job two years ago he wanted it and thought he'd get it, and was surprised when Barry got it.

I'd assume he's a candidate until we hear otherwise. Gruden probably kicks himself.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/01/05/who-will-be-the-redskins-next-defensive-coordinator-here-are-some-names/?utm_term=.679e67185a75[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1161776][url=http://was.247sports.com/Gallery/Wade-Phillips-Rex-Ryan-Gus-Bradley-Seven-to-watch-for-Washington-50310470/GallerySlides/446921?utm_source=Breaking&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=170105_Washington%20Redskins%20Newsletter&utm_content=Link]Seven to watch for Redskins defensive coordinator Gallery Slides[/url][/quote]

Ranking those 7 from 1st to last in terms of my preference:

[B]Ecstastic[/B] :headbanger::woot:
Phillips
Nolan

[B]Encouraged with a little skepticism[/B] :food-smil:saywhat:
Bradley
Wilks

[B]Epiplectic with a touch of depression[/B] :censored::hater:
Manusky
Williams
Ryan

Re: Gruden fires defensive coordinator Joe Barry
 

[quote=Schneed10;1161787]According to the WaPo he tweeted that he's unemployed, and when he interviewed for the job two years ago he wanted it and thought he'd get it, and was surprised when Barry got it.

I'd assume he's a candidate until we hear otherwise. Gruden probably kicks himself.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/01/05/who-will-be-the-redskins-next-defensive-coordinator-here-are-some-names/?utm_term=.679e67185a75[/URL][/quote]

Back up the truck Danny boy! Lol but seriously, I'm just kinda dumbfounded that Wade watched Redskins games 3 years ago, did his homework on the team, interviewed, and still got passed over for Joe Barry in spite of all his success. It's definitely not giving me a lot of confidence Jay will make the right choice this time around.

The other name on that list that is intriguing is Steve Wilks. Sure he doesn't have the coordinator experience that Bradley or Phillips has, but I will give him his credit for developing Josh Norman. Turning a 5th round pick into a bona-fide shutdown corner isn't an easy task. Thanks for sharing that article Schneed, that is a good read.

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[quote=mooby;1161789]Back up the truck Danny boy! Lol but seriously, I'm just kinda dumbfounded that Wade watched Redskins games 3 years ago, did his homework on the team, interviewed, and still got passed over for Joe Barry in spite of all his success. It's definitely not giving me a lot of confidence Jay will make the right choice this time around.

The other name on that list that is intriguing is Steve Wilks. Sure he doesn't have the coordinator experience that Bradley or Phillips has, but I will give him his credit for developing Josh Norman. Turning a 5th round pick into a bona-fide shutdown corner isn't an easy task. Thanks for sharing that article Schneed, that is a good read.[/quote]

Looking back on it, if you were Gruden would you have hired Phillips? The owner already hates you cause you benched his BFF. You bring in a guy who has HC experience, he's an immediate threat to Gruden the minute he walks in the door. Tough call for Gruden. But there were other other guys out there, maybe Eri Mangini or Jim Schwartz.

Now it's coming out that the players didn't even play the defense that Barry was calling...according to Ricky Jean. Shows a total lack of respect. We need a guy in here who the players fear and respect at the same time.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1161779]Rex Ryan isn't going to be a DC again. He'll either get another HC job or go into TV (like Cowher)[/quote]

Then it will be TV or bust (at least according to the guys on the nfl network)

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[quote=skinsfan69;1161791]Looking back on it, if you were Gruden would you have hired Phillips? The owner already hates you cause you benched his BFF. You bring in a guy who has HC experience, he's an immediate threat to Gruden the minute he walks in the door. Tough call for Gruden. But there were other other guys out there, maybe Eri Mangini or Jim Schwartz.

Now it's coming out that the players didn't even play the defense that Barry was calling...according to Ricky Jean. Shows a total lack of respect. We need a guy in here who the players fear and respect at the same time.[/quote]

Um, I think he hired Barry before he benched RG3. Barry was hired in the offseason, RG3 wasn't benched until preseason.

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They should have fired Barry after the GB playoff debacle last year. The message would have been loud and clear that a performance like that is unacceptable. But better a year late than never...

Rex, GW, and Nolan won't be coming back for reasons already stated by others. If Wade is interested (and hungry) I'm all in.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1161774]if he wants to coach in the NFL again, DC will be the highest position offered to him . . . nobody is going to offer him a HC position anytime soon.[/quote]


Exactly my point.Can he co exist with and take orders from someone else?MHO...no.