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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1167602]I'm no expert with all this. Can anyone explain if Kirk can turn down a trade, if say Cleveland came calling? I get that he holds leverage as far as he can just play under the FT and basically walk next year, but if a trade is proposed, and it's not SF, can he block that trade?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he can't block the trade, but no team would trade for him unless they knew he'd be willing to make a long term deal.

I'm sick of Cousins, I know we have major dysfunction in the FO, but this is the team (and the coach) who made it possible for him to become a top QB. The team paid him $20 million dollars last season and are willing to pay him $24 million this season and he's being all diva-like/bitchy about this?

Just shut up and play.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167604]I'm pretty sure he can't block the trade, but no team would trade for him unless they knew he'd be willing to make a long term deal.

I'm sick of Cousins, I know we have major dysfunction in the FO, but this is the team (and the coach) who made it possible for him to become a top QB. The team paid him $20 million dollars last season and are willing to pay him $24 million this season and he's being all diva-like/bitchy about this?

Just shut up and play.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't know what all is going on inside that organization, and without that knowledge, it's hard to argue with what you are saying there.

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If I'm the skins:
1) Offer a good contract. 21-24 per year with incentives to go higher.
2) Play him under the franchise if he doesn't sign it.
3) Toss the transition tag on him next year and get 2 #1's or match the contract he negotiates with another club. KC no longer negotiating with Bruce!

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kirk-Cousins-wont-sign-with-Bruce-Allen-still-employed-51703015]Report: Kirk Cousins won't sign with Bruce Allen still employed[/url]

Now that he's signed the tag he can be traded. Maybe that was the plan. Obviously no love lost between Kirk and Allen. Read somewhere Scott wanted him signed last year, Allen didnt.

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[quote=Daseal;1167618]If I'm the skins:
3) Toss the transition tag on him next year and get 2 #1's or match the contract he negotiates with another club. KC no longer negotiating with Bruce![/quote]

Tossing the tag for a third time is not practical. If they did this, it would certainly sour things for all involved. If nobody matches 34 million, the team is on the hook for it. Now you're stuck paying one player 20 percent of your cap... a player that's probably beyond not wanting to play for you anymore. And it's a bad look to potential FAs (and QB draftees).

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[quote=53Fan;1167620][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kirk-Cousins-wont-sign-with-Bruce-Allen-still-employed-51703015]Report: Kirk Cousins won't sign with Bruce Allen still employed[/url]

Now that he's signed the tag he can be traded. Maybe that was the plan. Obviously no love lost between Kirk and Allen. [B]Read somewhere Scott wanted him signed last year, Allen didnt[/B].[/quote]

Pretty sure it was Jay and Scott (wanted him signed) against Bruce and Dan(turds of a feather...still mad RG3 didn't work out and hate Cousins) . Pathetic.

Id like this to be resolved in the next couple months, either give him the deal or trade him.

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[quote=53Fan;1167620][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kirk-Cousins-wont-sign-with-Bruce-Allen-still-employed-51703015]Report: Kirk Cousins won't sign with Bruce Allen still employed[/url]

Now that he's signed the tag he can be traded. Maybe that was the plan. Obviously no love lost between Kirk and Allen. Read somewhere Scott wanted him signed last year, Allen didnt.[/quote]Can't make this shit up. SMH.

They need to wipe the egg off their faces and trade him while they can still get something for him.

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Cousins is set make $23.94 million under the franchise tag in 2017 if no long term deal is signed by mid July. If Cousins refuses to play (unlikely), the tag would roll over to 2018 and 2017 would not count as a tag year. Cousins has to play for Skins in 2017 since he signed the franchise tag today. The Skins could use the transition tag in 2018 which would be a 20% increase to 2017 or $28.78 million. The transition tag would allow Cousins to get offers from other teams but the Skins can match any deal and Cousins would have to sign it regardless. If he plays under the transition tag, he would be a free agent in 2019 as the Skins are unable to tag him the 4th time under the CBA. I am fully aware of his disdain for Allen/Snyder but minus the cap ramifications the Skins do have control the next 2 years although Cousins has the leverage financially. The caveat here is that if the Skins don't match offers in 2018 under the transition tag, they would receive no compensation for losing him. This is not an ideal situation but having Cousins under control for 2 years and no future cap hits is not as bad as it seems especially if the cap continues to increase annually.

First post but a long time lurker.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167622]Pretty sure it was Jay and Scott (wanted him signed) against Bruce and Dan(turds of a feather...still mad RG3 didn't work out and hate Cousins) . Pathetic.

Id like this to be resolved in the next couple months, either give him the deal or trade him.[/quote]

I think the team wants to give him a deal, but if he doesn't want to be here that's a problem he is creating.

I don't mind Bruce asking for a steep price for Cousins, his (KC) attitude and desire to go to SF would be costing the franchise a lot and the team would need a lot of draft ammo to rebuild.

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Ricky Jean on the radio today basically backed up Cousins and in a nut shell said the Redskins are a mess. RJ is a respected guy and a stand up solid guy, not a disgruntled employee. That says a lot...

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=The Whale 13;1167642]Cousins is set make $23.94 million under the franchise tag in 2017 if no long term deal is signed by mid July. If Cousins refuses to play (unlikely), the tag would roll over to 2018 and 2017 would not count as a tag year. Cousins has to play for Skins in 2017 since he signed the franchise tag today. The Skins could use the transition tag in 2018 which would be a 20% increase to 2017 or $28.78 million. The transition tag would allow Cousins to get offers from other teams but the Skins can match any deal and Cousins would have to sign it regardless. If he plays under the transition tag, he would be a free agent in 2019 as the Skins are unable to tag him the 4th time under the CBA. I am fully aware of his disdain for Allen/Snyder but minus the cap ramifications the Skins do have control the next 2 years although Cousins has the leverage financially. The caveat here is that if the Skins don't match offers in 2018 under the transition tag, they would receive no compensation for losing him. This is not an ideal situation but having Cousins under control for 2 years and no future cap hits is not as bad as it seems especially if the cap continues to increase annually.

First post but a long time lurker.[/quote]

good post, keep at it.

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=The Whale 13;1167642]Cousins is set make $23.94 million under the franchise tag in 2017 if no long term deal is signed by mid July. If Cousins refuses to play (unlikely), the tag would roll over to 2018 and 2017 would not count as a tag year. Cousins has to play for Skins in 2017 since he signed the franchise tag today. The Skins could use the transition tag in 2018 which would be a 20% increase to 2017 or $28.78 million. The transition tag would allow Cousins to get offers from other teams but the Skins can match any deal and Cousins would have to sign it regardless. If he plays under the transition tag, he would be a free agent in 2019 as the Skins are unable to tag him the 4th time under the CBA. I am fully aware of his disdain for Allen/Snyder but minus the cap ramifications the Skins do have control the next 2 years although Cousins has the leverage financially. The caveat here is that if the Skins don't match offers in 2018 under the transition tag, they would receive no compensation for losing him. This is not an ideal situation but having Cousins under control for 2 years and no future cap hits is not as bad as it seems especially if the cap continues to increase annually.

First post but a long time lurker.[/quote]

According to this article he can still be traded.

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kirk-Cousins-signs-franchise-tag-can-now-be-traded-51701289]Report: Kirk Cousins signs franchise tag, can now be traded[/url]

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1167648]Ricky Jean on the radio today basically backed up Cousins and in a nut shell said the Redskins are a mess. RJ is a respected guy and a stand up solid guy, not a disgruntled employee. That [B]says a lot[/B]...[/quote]

Lends credence to the idea that this organization is a freakin' circus. Why in the world would anyone (player, coach, GM, ball boy) ever want to be a part of this crap? The entirety of the rest of the NFL is either laughing their asses off, or shaking their heads in disbelief at the shenanigans going on here.

HTTDysfunctionalR!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1167657]Lends credence to the idea that this organization is a freakin' circus. Why in the world would anyone (player, coach, GM, ball boy) ever want to be a part of this crap? The entirety of the rest of the NFL is either laughing their asses off, or shaking their heads in disbelief at the shenanigans going on here.

HTTDysfunctionalR![/quote]

Well Jay Gruden just got an extension for two years, so he seems to be okay here.

The NFL is shaking her head at us, they are laughing at Houston for having to give up a 2nd round pick to get rid of the QB they gave $37 million dollars last year.

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Agreed. He can be traded once he signs the franchise tag. My argument was based on the report Snyder told him not to get his hopes up regarding a trade and the Skins have no intention of ever trading him.

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KC is probably just trying to make Allen mad enough so that he just wants KC gone and will get it past Snyder's veto.

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I gotta believe this has Allen pretty annoyed and we cant have Cousins in the locker room ever again.
I would expect him to get traded toot sweet.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167658]Well Jay Gruden just got an extension for two years, so he seems to be okay here.

The NFL is shaking her head at us, they are laughing at Houston for having to give up a 2nd round pick to get rid of the QB they gave $37 million dollars last year.[/quote]

Well at least Houston has a defense and won a playoff game. They might have been wrong on Osweiler, but they aren't the shit show that this is...

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=The Whale 13;1167642]Cousins is set make $23.94 million under the franchise tag in 2017 if no long term deal is signed by mid July. If Cousins refuses to play (unlikely), the tag would roll over to 2018 and 2017 would not count as a tag year. Cousins has to play for Skins in 2017 since he signed the franchise tag today. The Skins could use the transition tag in 2018 which would be a 20% increase to 2017 or $28.78 million. The transition tag would allow Cousins to get offers from other teams but the Skins can match any deal and Cousins would have to sign it regardless. If he plays under the transition tag, he would be a free agent in 2019 as the Skins are unable to tag him the 4th time under the CBA. I am fully aware of his disdain for Allen/Snyder but minus the cap ramifications the Skins do have control the next 2 years although Cousins has the leverage financially. The caveat here is that if the Skins don't match offers in 2018 under the transition tag, they would receive no compensation for losing him. This is not an ideal situation but having Cousins under control for 2 years and no future cap hits is not as bad as it seems especially if the cap continues to increase annually.

First post but a long time lurker.[/quote]

Good post, Whale. I was wrong about the transition tag. I thought we got compensation (outside compensatory picks) for the transition tag. I think this situation gets really interesting if KC gets hurt this season...

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1167711]Well at least Houston has a defense and won a playoff game. They might have been wrong on Osweiler, but they aren't the shit show that this is...[/QUOTE]
They fucked pretty royally and their only hope is Romo. I wouldn't call them a model franchise and it is pretty laughable what they did.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167715]They fucked pretty royally and their only hope is Romo. I wouldn't call them a model franchise and it is pretty laughable what they did.

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Preach...signing such a huge free agent bust and a then to lose a 2nd round pick to make him go away is another kick to the nuts

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=The Whale 13;1167642]Cousins is set make $23.94 million under the franchise tag in 2017 if no long term deal is signed by mid July. If Cousins refuses to play (unlikely), the tag would roll over to 2018 and 2017 would not count as a tag year. Cousins has to play for Skins in 2017 since he signed the franchise tag today. The Skins could use the transition tag in 2018 which would be a 20% increase to 2017 or $28.78 million. The transition tag would allow Cousins to get offers from other teams but the Skins can match any deal and Cousins would have to sign it regardless. If he plays under the transition tag, he would be a free agent in 2019 as the Skins are unable to tag him the 4th time under the CBA. I am fully aware of his disdain for Allen/Snyder but minus the cap ramifications the Skins do have control the next 2 years although Cousins has the leverage financially. The caveat here is that if the Skins don't match offers in 2018 under the transition tag, they would receive no compensation for losing him. This is not an ideal situation but having Cousins under control for 2 years and no future cap hits is not as bad as it seems especially if the cap continues to increase annually.

First post but a long time lurker.[/quote]

Welcome man. Strong thinking is always welcome. Hope you become a regular.

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[quote=Schneed10;1167730]Welcome man. Strong thinking is always welcome. Hope you become a regular.[/quote]

He needs a few typos and made up words to really fit in.

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=Daseal;1167441]I think there's more to this than the skins not paying him - but they sure as hell should put a fair market value contract on the table and make KC the bad guy if he won't sign.[/quote]

Exactly. They must establish the moral high ground or they will appear like completely incompetent morons.

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The fact that Kirk hasn't been dealt yet (since this morning) is a good sign I think.

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It looks like Dan Synder may get a second chance at RG3

[URL] https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/si/nfl/2017/03/10/browns-robert-griffin-iii-released%3fsource=dam [/URL]

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RG3 is hot garbage

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[quote=MTK;1167838]RG3 is hot garbage[/quote]

But could Terrelle Pryor show him how to switch to receiver? He is 6'2" and fast.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1167838]RG3 is hot garbage[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with you!

However, according to some reports, Dan Synder seems to think that RG3 is still a hot commodity.

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This is a mess. BUT - you got to wonder how much of this is true, and how much is media frenzy. The reporters all love Scott and defend him, and seems like a smear job on Allen (to match the smear job on Scott). I have no idea what's going on anymore - but who leaked the alcohol story? It may not have been the Redskins brass or Allen, maybe another lower level shmuck who let the alcohol story getting out. Who knows, who cares. I just want to move on.

Regardless:
1) I hope Cousins signs long-term. Have NO idea of recent reports are true about Allen / not signing long-term, etc. But he seems like a straightforward guy with a good relationship with Gruden. I wouldn't put it past him to sign if the numbers are right.

2) If Cousins leaves, screw him -- Colt is not horrible, and could be serviceable until we find an answer at QB -- Gruden is a QB friendly coach. We still have a good team core -- good O-line, elite TE (Reed, Davis), and good WR (Crowder, ?Pryor, ?Doctson). If defense improves a little, we're at least an average team, with some luck we're in the playoffs even without Cousins.


FA moves so far are fine, not sure if that was already planned with Scott's input or Allen is at helm, but who cares about Scott, he's gone. Hate to see his personal issues all over the news, but that's his problem now.

Let's move on.

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RG3's next stop might be Saskatchewan or Edmonton.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1167846]RG3's next stop might be Saskatchewan or Edmonton.[/quote]

He wouldn't last a full season in the CFL either. He doesn't have that intangible get out of the way gene that a modern QB needs.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1167839]But could Terrelle Pryor show him how to switch to receiver? He is 6'2" and fast.[/quote]

You forgot fragile

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[quote=MTK;1167851]You forgot fragile[/quote]

And insane. I was trying to be positive.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1167852]And insane. I was trying to be positive.[/quote]

If being a sociopath makes someone insane. . .

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=The Whale 13;1167642]Cousins is set make $23.94 million under the franchise tag in 2017 if no long term deal is signed by mid July. If Cousins refuses to play (unlikely), the tag would roll over to 2018 and 2017 would not count as a tag year. Cousins has to play for Skins in 2017 since he signed the franchise tag today. The Skins could use the transition tag in 2018 which would be a 20% increase to 2017 or $28.78 million. The transition tag would allow Cousins to get offers from other teams but the Skins can match any deal and Cousins would have to sign it regardless. If he plays under the transition tag, he would be a free agent in 2019 as the Skins are unable to tag him the 4th time under the CBA. I am fully aware of his disdain for Allen/Snyder but minus the cap ramifications the Skins do have control the next 2 years although Cousins has the leverage financially. The caveat here is that if the Skins don't match offers in 2018 under the transition tag, they would receive no compensation for losing him. This is not an ideal situation but having Cousins under control for 2 years and no future cap hits is not as bad as it seems especially if the cap continues to increase annually.

First post but a long time lurker.[/quote]

As smart as this sounds, SF will be able to structure a deal that we will not be able to match. They will have considerably more cap space than us. What we can do is franchise him again at 34 million. My opinion is that if he performs well, they will do it. To all those that think we should trade him, for what ever we can get, if we just let him go, in 2019, we will get a third round compensatory pick. Screw it, we can win a Superbowl by then.

Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag
 

[quote=53Fan;1167620][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kirk-Cousins-wont-sign-with-Bruce-Allen-still-employed-51703015]Report: Kirk Cousins won't sign with Bruce Allen still employed[/url]

Now that he's signed the tag he can be traded. Maybe that was the plan. Obviously no love lost between Kirk and Allen. Read somewhere Scott wanted him signed last year, Allen didnt.[/quote]

I've put up with a lot more crap from an employer than he has for a lot less than $24M per year. Kirk can shut up, grow, up, and nut up. Maybe buy himself a Bentley to help take away the pain. I'm about to start calling him Kim, as in Kim Kardashian.

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Kirk says he didn't ask for a trade, do you believe him?

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18905012/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-says-reached-owner-dan-snyder-understand-team-direction]Kirk Cousins of Washington Redskins says he reached out to owner Dan Snyder to understand team's direction[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1168058]Kirk says he didn't ask for a trade, do you believe him?

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18905012/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-says-reached-owner-dan-snyder-understand-team-direction]Kirk Cousins of Washington Redskins says he reached out to owner Dan Snyder to understand team's direction[/url][/quote]

Nope

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[quote=MTK;1168058]Kirk says he didn't ask for a trade, do you believe him?

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18905012/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-says-reached-owner-dan-snyder-understand-team-direction]Kirk Cousins of Washington Redskins says he reached out to owner Dan Snyder to understand team's direction[/url][/quote]

[SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]Yes![/COLOR][/SIZE]