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[quote=skinsfan69;1172629]The sky isn't falling because the offense can't run the ball in pre season. But again, this team probably isn't going to be a good running team. It's just not what they do best. This is and will be a throw first team. I just hope they'll be able to run it a little better than what we've seen so far.[/quote]

Don't act like this is a new problem that only occurs in the pre-season. I'm not panicking; I just think that when you have a problem for years, you ought to be able to fix it.

Jay Gruden could fix it if he wanted to do so. He simply doesn't emphasize the running game enough and he probably never will. That's just bullshit because other teams have proven that a team can be good at both passing and running.

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[quote=Schneed10;1172623]The best way to fix it isn't through personnel moves. The best way to fix it is through coaches coaching better and players playing better.

Our line and tight ends can run block a lot better than they did the other night. They need to get it together.[/quote]

Cut some loafing bastard who thinks he's got the team made. That should get everyone else's attention.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1172632]Just curious, if we used three point stance for most runs and 2 point for most passes, wouldn't that be a major tell for opposing defenses.[/quote]

Of course and that was my first thought as well. On empty backfield sets, the O line is always upright. For sets with a player in the backfield that could be run or pass, I havent been watching the O line for whether or not they are in a 2 pt or 3 pt stance. Im just relaying Riggins thought.

the Perine video shows almost always 3 pt stance for plays with a RB in the backfield. Without benefit of 1st unit O line video, Im assuming the 1st unit also goes to 3 pt stance when a player is in the backfield. Riggins thought may have no merit, and he was certainly speculating not saying it with 100% certainty.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1172626][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Spencer-Long-undergoes-minor-knee-operation-106386212]Report: Spencer Long undergoes minor knee operation[/url][/quote]

Chase Roullier...per kiem...this is a great position to evaluate our rookie because he has been "impressive".

Would love to see this turn into the position battle

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[quote=Chico23231;1172639]Chase Roullier...per kiem...this is a great position to evaluate our rookie because he has been "impressive".

Would love to see this turn into the position battle[/quote]

I would love it because it could mean Long to LG, Roullier to center, and Lauvao to the bench.

Long way to go before we get there. But we drafted Scherff thinking he'd be our RT, and then Moses really came on in his second year. If Roullier did the same thing next summer it would solve an awful lot for us.

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In all this talk about O-lineman and starting the best 5.
Ty Nsekhe plays well every time he has had to start. I realize he plays Left Tackle and Trent Williams is the man. But why couldn't try Ty Nsekhe at guard?
He has got to be better than Lauvao.
Lauvao is terrible.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1172629]The sky isn't falling because the offense can't run the ball in pre season. But again, this team probably isn't going to be a good running team. It's just not what they do best. This is and will be a throw first team. I just hope they'll be able to run it a little better than what we've seen so far.[/quote]

Oh great .. A pass first team built around a QB we can't or won't sign to a long term contract...we won't win 6 games with this thinking. bottom line is as long as This QB circus goes on this will be a comedy show team. The best RB on team is Matt Jones and he fumbled a few too many times and the Team soured on him..too bad because he will be good on another team. every team in league will tee off on the pass so Cousins better be ready or he will get injured..

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[quote=Chico23231;1172627]Moving the rookie into long spot. Good[/quote]

Never want an injury but I'd prefer Long at LG and Chase at C. Chase hasn't done anything yet but I'm high on him. I think he is our future center.

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For Frenchie,

American announcer pronunciation: "Chase RULE-ee-AIRE!"

Actually, we'll probably only hear him mentioned by "Holding. Number 73."

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172646]For Frenchie,

American announcer pronunciation: "Chase RULE-ee-AIRE!"

Actually, we'll probably only hear him mentioned by "Holding. Number 73."[/quote]

Haha, actually IIRC Cooley is doing a pretty good job at pronouncing Roullier's name. But yeah we won't hear his name that much so I'll definitely miss PG ^^

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[url=http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/Niles-Paul-Has-Handled-His-Many-Roles-Effortlessly/79d0352e-02e8-4a02-9839-a9e2aacb1538]Redskins Home[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1172652][url=http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/Niles-Paul-Has-Handled-His-Many-Roles-Effortlessly/79d0352e-02e8-4a02-9839-a9e2aacb1538]Redskins Home[/url][/quote]

Niles paul is a good player.

I see Jay Gruden's man crush on Ryan Grant raised it's ugly head again. If just knowing all the WR positions without having NFL ability is enough for Gruden, he should just sign Stephen Hawking instead. Hawking could learn the entire playbook in a brief history of time. Then he could be the nominal backup for every position.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172663]Niles paul is a good player.

I see Jay Gruden's man crush on Ryan Grant raised it's ugly head again. If just knowing all the WR positions without having NFL ability is enough for Gruden, he should just sign Stephen Hawking instead. Hawking could learn the entire playbook in [B]a brief history of time.[/B] Then he could be the nominal backup for every position.[/quote]

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I was never high on Kelley. As of now I dont see any thing to change ny mind

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172663]Niles paul is a good player.

[B]I see Jay Gruden's man crush on Ryan Grant raised it's ugly head again[/B]. If just knowing all the WR positions without having NFL ability is enough for Gruden, he should just sign Stephen Hawking instead. Hawking could learn the entire playbook in a brief history of time. Then he could be the nominal backup for every position.[/quote]

There really does seem to be something with this. While I understand he CAN run every route and play all WR positions, he consistently does NOT deliver in games! And maybe now with new receivers that can hopefully block more so than Jackson at least, when Grant comes into the game it's not a 98% chance of a running play like the announcers of games used to joke about.

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I think Grant is one of those guys that can push others, because he looks good in practice. But after a few years of not moving up the depth chart he loses that edge. I would be shocked if he is on the team after final cuts.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1172674]I think Grant is one of those guys that can push others, because he looks good in practice. But after a few years of not moving up the depth chart he loses that edge. I would be shocked if he is on the team after final cuts.[/quote]

I think there's something to your thinking there, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he'll be cut.

I think Grant pushes others because he performs well in practice. It's really Doctson that will get pushed.

But Jay genuinely likes Grant and will definitely keep him around as the 4th guy behind Crowder, Pryor and Doctson. He has the versatility to play the X, the Y, or the slot - not well mind you, but Gruden likes the jack-knife aspect. That's what will help him dress every game day.

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[quote=Schneed10;1172640]I would love it because it could mean Long to LG, Roullier to center, and Lauvao to the bench.

Long way to go before we get there. But we drafted Scherff thinking he'd be our RT, and then Moses really came on in his second year. If Roullier did the same thing next summer it would solve an awful lot for us.[/quote]

"I would love it because it could mean Long to LG, Roullier to center, and Lauvao to the bench."

...besides Zach Brown starting, based on our current players, this is the next biggest thing I want. Lauvao is not good enough.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1172677]I think there's something to your thinking there, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he'll be cut.



I think Grant pushes others because he performs well in practice. It's really Doctson that will get pushed.



But Jay genuinely likes Grant and will definitely keep him around as the 4th guy behind Crowder, Pryor and Doctson. He has the versatility to play the X, the Y, or the slot - not well mind you, but Gruden likes the jack-knife aspect. That's what will help him dress every game day.[/QUOTE]



Maybe, but Maurice Harris has shown more in games than Grant and they like this Robert Davis kid too (particularly his size). Someone will be disappointed.



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[quote=calia;1172681]Maybe, but Maurice Harris has shown more in games than Grant and they like this Robert Davis kid too (particularly his size). Someone will be disappointed.



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I hope we can at least get Davis on the PS. I like big, fast, strong receivers. Hell, I like that at every position lol.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1172682]I hope we can at least get Davis on the PS. I like big, fast, strong receivers. Hell, I like that at every position lol.[/quote]

I like Brian Quick, as well.

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Grant has had a lot of time to make an impact but hasn't. I have a feeling he may be traded or cut. With the apparent ability, hard to know why it hasn't translated.


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[quote=calia;1172681]Maybe, but Maurice Harris has shown more in games than Grant and they like this Robert Davis kid too (particularly his size). Someone will be disappointed.



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Yeah but unless you think Gruden is just blowing smoke by talking up Grant so much, there's no way it will Grant as the one that's disappointed. I think they keep Davis because he has the deep threat ability. Harris probably gets cut.

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Harris actually played well last year, can't see him being the odd man out. Gruden easily could be trying to motivate Grant by the positive talk. If we keep 5, I think Grant is gone, but 6 he stays

11 Pryor, Terrelle
80 Crowder, Jamison
18 Doctson, Josh
13 Harris, Maurice
17 Quick, James
14 Grant, Ryan
PS 9 Davis, Robert
PS 15 Hazel, Matt

gone
16 Pascal, Zach
6 Staples, Jamari CF17
83 Quick, Brian U/LAR

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1172688]Harris actually played well last year, can't see him being the odd man out. Gruden easily could be trying to motivate Grant by the positive talk. If we keep 5, I think Grant is gone, but 6 he stays

11 Pryor, Terrelle
80 Crowder, Jamison
18 Doctson, Josh
13 Harris, Maurice
17 Quick, James
14 Grant, Ryan
PS 9 Davis, Robert
PS 15 Hazel, Matt

gone
16 Pascal, Zach
6 Staples, Jamari CF17
83 Quick, Brian U/LAR[/quote]

I wouldn't mind seeing Grant swapped out for Robert Davis. I am not sure we can stash Davis on the PS without someone picking him up.

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I really think you guys are smoking something. Grant is a mortal lock for the roster.

Not that he deserves to be, but no chance he's even remotely on Jay's bubble.

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With Doctson virtually an unknown because he can't stay healthy makes Grant a lock imo. Plus look at Grant status among the other WR...he has seniority among the group. I think that helps him as well.

But honestly, I can't stand the guy....but he should make it.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1172691]With Doctson virtually an unknown because he can't stay healthy makes Grant a lock imo. Plus look at Grant status among the other WR...he has seniority among the group. I think that helps him as well.

But honestly, I can't stand the guy....but he should make it.[/QUOTE]I tend to think seniority in the sixth spot ought to hurt your chances to stay on the team

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1172694]I tend to rhink seniority in the sixth spot ought to hurt your chances to stay on the team

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Seniority gives gruden someone who is dependable who knows all the o-calls, who can run all the routes on the outside and inside, and a guy who KC has extensive experience with throwing the ball too.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1172694]I tend to think seniority in the sixth spot ought to hurt your chances to stay on the team

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You're thinking way too much about what you think should be, as opposed to what is.

Gruden loves Ryan Grant. He's not going anywhere, this is growing tedious.

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[quote=Schneed10;1172696][B]You're thinking way too much about what you think should be, as opposed to what is.[/B]

Gruden loves Ryan Grant. He's not going anywhere, this is growing tedious.[/quote]

Wow, I wasn't expecting that level of philosophical statement when checking a football forum... It's early out here, haven't had my coffee yet...

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Gruden talks up Grant for a reason. He clearly likes the guy. He's no superstar but it doesn't hurt to have guys like him on your roster.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172683]I like Brian Quick, as well.[/quote]

can he be on the preseason?i thought he had been in theleague too long?

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[QUOTE=insane4theskinsi;1172715]can he be on the preseason?i thought he had been in theleague too long?[/QUOTE]Admittedly, I have not been following as closely as I have in the past. As to Grant, however, he's not a starter and can't get open against starting corners or even many nickel/slot CB's. Despite this, Gruden continues to talk him up.

To me, outside the top 3, Grant is the closest there is to a lock. He is a guy who can reliably run the plays if one of the top 3 goes down. Not really true of any of the rest.

I think they keep six with the competition for the final two between Davis, Harris, and Quick with Quick being the odd man out. He is experienced, true, but that's why you keep Grant. Harris played well last year and seemed (to me anyway) to get better with play throughout the year, so he still has the "potential" factor working for him. Same with Davis who seems to be getting really good reviews.

If Harris and Davis stick, all the more reason to keep Grant.

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Stock down on refs

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Stock down on Norman, and the rest of our defense lol absolute garbage showing so far today

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[QUOTE=Meks;1172722]Stock down on Norman, and the rest of our defense lol absolute garbage showing so far today[/QUOTE]

And our starting offense can't get a 1st down to save their lives.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1172723]And our starting offense can't get a 1st down to save their lives.

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Yea its a damn shame. Whole 1st quarter gone as well now.

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Silver lining at the end of the day it doesnt count 😂😂

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P Smith sucks. Time to look away from him. Dude is slow and can't tackle

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