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[quote=irish;1178221]I have never lived in a place like the DC area. People who grow up here grow up Cowboys fans. Its very strange.[/quote]

Same in B-more; there are plenty born in MD Steelers fans. Some folks just like to be the asshole. If they lived in Dallas or Pitt they be Skins or Raven fans.

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[quote=Giantone;1178223]Injuries are all part of the game,every team has them.[/quote]

That's a strawman. Besides, how many teams has an entire starting O-line out with the exception of one starter (who was playing on two bum ankles)?

How many teams has three D-linemen out for the season and another who had to leave yesterday's game early with a broken hand? We also have a starting LB on IR, too.

That's not to mention all of the injuries endured by our secondary (number one and two corners has missed time and games).

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For a decent team whose margin for error was already pretty slim, injuries to your top players will sink the ship. It's not the number of injuries, it's who's injured. We're built around Trent and Scherff's spectacular abilities to block in space. If we don't have them we're in trouble.

It's unfortunate, but this is enough to take a team that could have been 9-7 or 10-6 and go 6-10 instead.

Not to mention a little unlucky with the schedule. We had a 3rd place schedule, yet the two non-common opponents who placed 3rd in their divisions last year just happen to be the division leaders this year (Minnesota, New Orleans).

When we were at full strength, we got the Raiders and the Chiefs. Now we're going to get Seattle, Minnesota and New Orleans with nobody healthy. On one hand you could say our destiny is in our own hands, playing all of these playoff contenders. If we met them when we were at full strength I would have said we'd have a shot. But not now.

We're a decent team but not great, and the margin for error is just too small for teams like us. Hope we don't do something stupid like clean house. Health and a few more moves, and I like us for next season. Until then, get ready for a bumpy ride.

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[quote=mredskins;1178226]Same in B-more; there are plenty born in MD Steelers fans. Some folks just like to be the asshole. If they lived in Dallas or Pitt they be Skins or Raven fans.[/quote]

I don't reside in DC, but know people similarly to what you explained. Some folks probably went against the grain because they had family members and friends who are 'Skins fans. A spiteful move to root for the Cowboys.

Others probably jumped on the Cowboys' bandwagon during the time when they won 3 titles over a 4-year period. Bandwagoneers.

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[quote=Schneed10;1178228]For a decent team whose margin for error was already pretty slim, injuries to your top players will sink the ship. It's not the number of injuries, it's who's injured. We're built around Trent and Scherff's spectacular abilities to block in space. If we don't have them we're in trouble.

It's unfortunate, but this is enough to take a team that could have been 9-7 or 10-6 and go 6-10 instead.

Not to mention a little unlucky with the schedule. We had a 3rd place schedule, yet the two non-common opponents who placed 3rd in their divisions last year just happen to be the division leaders this year (Minnesota, New Orleans).

When we were at full strength, we got the Raiders and the Chiefs. Now we're going to get Seattle, Minnesota and New Orleans with nobody healthy. On one hand you could say our destiny is in our own hands, playing all of these playoff contenders. If we met them when we were at full strength I would have said we'd have a shot. But not now.

We're a decent team but not great, and the margin for error is just too small for teams like us. Hope we don't do something stupid like clean house. Health and a few more moves, and I like us for next season. [B]Until then, get ready for a bumpy ride.[/B][/quote]

And free Sundays! I used to carry the badge of never missing a Skins game, now I rarely ever watch.

Honestly the only thing that really keeps me tied to the Skins and the NFL is this web site.

If some year we have a SB run I will get back into but I am done burning Sundays on the Redskins.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1178225]Come on, what other team has its' entire O line injured? (Moses, our only starter out there, had both his ankles injured). Our left guard for most of the game was signed on Wednesday ![/quote]


Think what team lost all of it's starting receiving core,your starter at RB,two starting DE's and a corner back at times two and two starting linebackers?Check out the injuries to the other teams in your own division.
All I am saying is at the NFL level injuries are affecting every team and it 's not an excuse ,it's a next man up philosophy.

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With the O line missing 3 starters, the game plan was to sue a lot of 2-3 TE sets.

In game, you lose Paul early, Reed later on.

No run game. No O line. No TEs.

Best case scenario -- Trent is out 6 weeks with surgery/rehab, Long and Schreff play next week, Nsekhe is ready in a week or 2.

Ioannidis gets his broken hand wrapped up and can play with a club.

Bree's MRI today comes back with nothing major.

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[quote=Giantone;1178232]Think what team lost all of it's starting receiving core,your starter at RB,two starting DE's and a corner back at times two and two starting linebackers?Check out the injuries to the other teams in your own division.
All I am saying is at the NFL level injuries are affecting every team and it 's not an excuse ,it's a next man up philosophy.[/quote]

The "next man up philosophy" is some trite motto that can lose meaning when a team is dealing with an enormous amount of injuries. An excuse? No. Just reality.

Once again, no one said anything about the Giants' injuries and how they are or not dealing with them. We're speaking about the Redskins injuries. Those injuries are now starting to affect the team. Insurmountable, as Malcolm said earlier.

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[quote=over the mountain;1178234]With the O line missing 3 starters, the game plan was to sue a lot of 2-3 TE sets.

In game, you lose Paul early, Reed later on.

No run game. No O line. No TEs.

Best case scenario -- Trent is out 6 weeks with surgery/rehab, Long and Schreff play next week, Nsekhe is ready in a week or 2.

[B]Ioannidis[/B] gets his broken hand wrapped up and can play with a club.

Bree's MRI today comes back with nothing major.[/quote]

He got hurt too? Jesus and Joesph; this is insane.

I hate to pull the injury card but i mean these are major contributors this year going down. This has to be one of the worst years for injuries in awhile.

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[quote=over the mountain;1178234]With the O line missing 3 starters, the game plan was to sue a lot of 2-3 TE sets.

In game, you lose Paul early, Reed later on.

No run game. No O line. No TEs.

Best case scenario -- Trent is out 6 weeks with surgery/rehab, Long and Schreff play next week, Nsekhe is ready in a week or 2.

Ioannidis gets his broken hand wrapped up and can play with a club.

Bree's MRI today comes back with nothing major.[/quote]

Lava man got injured in the 3rd quarter and never returned. So, we were down 4 starters on the O-line.

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I've had enough of Jordan Reed. I can't take it anymore. We need to move on from him in the offseason. We will never be able to count on the guy, ever.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1178238]I've had enough of Jordan Reed. I can't take it anymore. We need to move on from him in the offseason. We will never be able to count on the guy, ever.[/quote]

The guy is a top 3 tight end in the league when he can stay on the field, but that's the problem. He can't stay healthy.

I wouldn't be surprise if he retires early.

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[QUOTE=irish;1178221]I have never lived in a place like the DC area. People who grow up here grow up Cowboys fans. Its very strange.[/QUOTE]I found that out too, I don't understand it but also in Dallas there is a good redskins crowd.

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[quote=punch it in;1178220]Most of the mistakes they made had absolutely nothing to do with injuries[/quote]

Disagree. Without your starting OL you get a blocked FG, starters prevent penetration, Cousins fumble due to protection problems.

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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1178229]I don't reside in DC, but know people similarly to what you explained. Some folks probably went against the grain because they had family members and friends who are 'Skins fans. A spiteful move to root for the Cowboys.

Others probably jumped on the Cowboys' bandwagon during the time when they won 3 titles over a 4-year period. Bandwagoneers.[/QUOTE]Honestly that's how I became a skins fan, my whole family was Dallas so I chose the skins.

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second consecutive week of not being able to run the ball. We aren't gonna win if we cant run the ball...its as simple as that. Sure the oline issue hurt, but we aren't getting a starters performance from our RBs.

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[quote=Chico23231;1178243]second consecutive week of not being able to run the ball. We aren't gonna win if we cant run the ball...its as simple as that. Sure the oline issue hurt, but we aren't getting a starters performance from our RBs.[/quote]

Our RBs, outside of Thompson, are JAGs. Thompson is too slight of build to carry the load, per se'. We need to go find ourselves a RB.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1178244]Our RBs, outside of Thompson, are JAGs. Thompson is too slight of build to carry the load, per se'. We need to go find ourselves a RB.[/quote]

Outside of resigning Cousins, finding a starter at RB should be our top priority.

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Just too many injuries to be competitive right now. I’m not even mad.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1178243]second consecutive week of not being able to run the ball. We aren't gonna win if we cant run the ball...its as simple as that. Sure the oline issue hurt, but we aren't getting a starters performance from our RBs.[/QUOTE]Perine should play over rob, he at least runs through people. The difference yesterday was they had zeke we didn't. That simple, after watching him in person, his line is great but he also has great vision and burst, the notion that anyone could be like him is wrong, he's a game changer. Dak on the other hand was not impressive, we once again dropped 2 ints. We never ever catch those

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[QUOTE=MTK;1178246]Just too many injuries to be competitive right now. I’m not even mad.[/QUOTE]That's what most skins fans were saying during the game, we even told Dallas fans that they would beat us because of the injuries. I told my wife going to the game that it's not looking to promising, she was like "anything can happen" I said... No

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[quote=Giantone;1178232]Think what team lost all of it's starting receiving core,your starter at RB,two starting DE's and a corner back at times two and two starting linebackers?Check out the injuries to the other teams in your own division.
All I am saying is at the NFL level injuries are affecting every team and it 's not an excuse ,it's a next man up philosophy.[/quote]

Which is why your team sucks. So, you have to agree that injuries DO affect a team, otherwise, what you just said is a huge contradiction.

The Redskins lead the league with players on IR. That says a lot right there. Simply put, when three of your linemen are out, two of those are pro bowl players by the way, another starter gets hurt, and the other starter playing hurt, then to assume it's business as usual and just plug in other names and keep it going should be expected is a ridiculous notion to assume. It's not an excuse at all. Simply put, when your whole offensive line is hurt and out, your whole offense suffers. I don't care if Tom Brady is your quarterback and you're throwing to Jerry Rice and Lynn Swann, or handing the ball off to Barry Sanders, your offense isn't going to work nearly as well as it does when your starting offensive line is healthy. Not only that, we had guys starting on that offensive line that weren't even on the team last week.

So, don't go with the "excuses" mentality, because it isn't an excuse.

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The part that was most frustrating to me is that we WERE in the game despite the injuries. I mean good for us in the fact that we were at least competitive down to the wire considering all the stupid shit we did. If I'm the Cowboys, I'd be truly concerned.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1178214]I am amazed at the reactions here. The team as it is designed is devastated by injuries. Why such an over reaction? Heck, take out 4 of Dallas' 5 starting lineup, plus their best TE, Whitten, and their staring running back and I don't think Dallas would look very good either. The number of injuries is simply devastating. End of story.[/quote]

If you eliminate some big mistakes the Skins win that game despite all the injuries. That damn blocked field goal was a 10 point swing the Skins could not afford. It seemed to turn the game.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1178251]If you eliminate some big mistakes the Skins win that game despite all the injuries. [B]That damn blocked field goal was a 10 point swing the Skins could not afford.[/B] It seemed to turn the game.[/quote]

We were rolling and this killed all the momentum. Good call, this was the game changer... fucking special teams, always seems to be an issue this season. AND I forgot about Hopkins...8 starters out yesterday.

Without that play and one of the fumbles, we probably win the game.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1178235]The "next man up philosophy" is some trite motto that can lose meaning when a team is dealing with an enormous amount of injuries. An excuse? No. Just reality.

Once again, no one said anything about the Giants' injuries and how they are or not dealing with them. We're speaking about the Redskins injuries. Those injuries are now starting to affect the team. Insurmountable, as Malcolm said earlier.[/quote]

If you look at the post I was responding to you will see I was just saying that at this time of year every team is suffering from injuries. Injuries are never an excuse and you might feel that the "next man up"thing is a "trite motto" in the NFL it's real ,if the back up's can't get the jobs done then that is when a teams season is over.Has nothing to do with the Skins, Giants or Cowboys it has to do with how well a team can handle the injuries and not many can do it as well as the Patriots can but that is a great example of "next man up".

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As soon as Nsekhe is ready, Trent should have the surgery and be ready for next year.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/33979/as-trent-williams-knee-gets-worse-long-term-effects-weighed]Redskins weigh long-term effects of Trent Williams' worsening knee injury - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1178253]every team is suffering from injuries. Injuries are never an excuse [/quote]

Giantone - Im not sure why you are choosing to grind this axe or try to make a finite point .. injuries have handicapped our ability to play competitive football.

Yes, every team deals with injuries. Yes, "next man up" is a mantra for the NFL .... but injuries are a very real factor with our on field play and No, the cowboys had nothing close to what we had going on.

Wrong time and wrong place to try and make a pointless point.

Youve beaten the drum my friend. You made your point. It doesnt need to be repeated over and over.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1178254]As soon as Nsekhe is ready, Trent should have the surgery and be ready for next year.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/33979/as-trent-williams-knee-gets-worse-long-term-effects-weighed]Redskins weigh long-term effects of Trent Williams' worsening knee injury - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

I didn't even realize T.J. Clemmings had to leave the game yesterday.

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[quote=over the mountain;1178255]Giantone - Im not sure why you are choosing to grind this axe or try to make a finite point .. injuries have handicapped our ability to play competitive football.

Yes, every team deals with injuries. Yes, "next man up" is a mantra for the NFL .... but injuries are a very real factor with our on field play and No, the cowboys had nothing close to what we had going on.

Wrong time and wrong place to try and make a pointless point.

Youve beaten the drum my friend. You made your point. It doesnt need to be repeated over and over.[/quote]

+1
I didn't feel like responding to his last message, but you stated it well enough, mountain.

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Really the blocked FG was the difference in the game. The game should have been 16-7.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1178250]The part that was most frustrating to me is that we WERE in the game despite the injuries. I mean good for us in the fact that we were at least competitive down to the wire considering all the stupid shit we did. If I'm the Cowboys, I'd be truly concerned.[/quote]

Not only that, but a bad pass from Cousins to Pryor (assuming he would have caught it), the 'skins probably get in for TD on that drive. And of course, the blocked FG was just a huge swing of momentum. Sometimes, it's little things that can kill a team. I can almost gauge how the rest of the game is going to go by what happens in the late second quarter.

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[quote=Chico23231;1178252]We were rolling and this killed all the momentum. Good call, this was the game changer... fucking special teams, always seems to be an issue this season. AND I forgot about Hopkins...8 starters out yesterday.

Without that play and one of the fumbles, we probably win the game.[/quote]

Did Sundberg screw up the snap on that play or the missed Extra point?
Two bad snaps by Sundberg, Rose did a good job making one of them. WTF is going on with special teams?

Seems like there is a special teams fumble every week and our returners are 25th or worse in return average.

Why hasn't gruden addressed this?
I don't understand why we aren't making moves at WR and getting a guy as our 5th WR who can return kicks (RASHAD ROSS!!!!).

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[quote=jamf;1178260]Did Sundberg screw up the snap on that play or the missed Extra point?
Two bad snaps by Sundberg, Rose did a good job making one of them. WTF is going on with special teams?

Seems like there is a special teams fumble every week and our returners are 25th or worse in return average.

Why hasn't gruden addressed this?
I don't understand why we aren't making moves at WR and getting a guy as our 5th WR who can return kicks (RASHAD ROSS!!!!).[/quote]

agree...I don't remember which was the botch snap. but special teams have been shit

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[quote=metalskins;1178259]Not only that, but a bad pass from Cousins to Pryor [B](assuming he would have caught it)[/B], the 'skins probably get in for TD on that drive. And of course, the blocked FG was just a huge swing of momentum. Sometimes, it's little things that can kill a team. I can almost gauge how the rest of the game is going to go by what happens in the late second quarter.[/quote]He did catch the high throw, but the leaping effort pulled Pryor OB.

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[quote=metalskins;1178249]

[B][U]The Redskins lead the league with players on IR.[/U][/B] That says a lot right there. Simply put, when three of your linemen are out, two of those are pro bowl players by the way, another starter gets hurt, and the other starter playing hurt, then to assume it's business as usual and just plug in other names and keep it going should be expected is a ridiculous notion to assume. It's not an excuse at all. Simply put, when your whole offensive line is hurt and out, your whole offense suffers. I don't care if Tom Brady is your quarterback and you're throwing to Jerry Rice and Lynn Swann, or handing the ball off to Barry Sanders, your offense isn't going to work nearly as well as it does when your starting offensive line is healthy. Not only that, we had guys starting on that offensive line that weren't even on the team last week.

So, don't go with the "excuses" mentality, because it isn't an excuse.[/quote]

2014 Patriots = 16 players on IR = won Super Bowl.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1178265]2014 Patriots = 16 players on IR = won Super Bowl.[/quote]

How many of those were starters and how many of those were the offensive line?

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[quote=Ohioskins;1178214]I am amazed at the reactions here. The team as it is designed is devastated by injuries. Why such an over reaction? Heck, take out 4 of Dallas' 5 starting lineup, plus their best TE, Whitten, and their staring running back and I don't think Dallas would look very good either. The number of injuries is simply devastating. End of story.[/quote]

Agree, I think both the team and the coaching staff had an outstanding game effort. In the end the team could not come back from an unfortunate 10 point swing at the end of the first half. A freak play caused by a bad snap/hold in a rainstorm.

If you think this team did not play their best I do not think you want want to be a Redskins fan. I, for one, am amazed at the production on offense, given the state of the line. So cool it, haters.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1178265]2014 Patriots = 16 players on IR = won Super Bowl.[/quote]

funny to see you back today...

Let me help you

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2014_injuries.htm[/url]

10 IR and only 2 starters = when they won superbowl

Not even close to a comparison...BUT I appreciate the comparison to a SB Team. Thanks Bud!

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[quote=metalskins;1178266]How many of those were starters and how many of those were the offensive line?[/quote]

12 players on IR, Jerod Mayo and Steve Ridley are the only names I recognize.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2014_injuries.htm[/url]

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Regardless, injuries were a big part of Sunday's storyline .. yet it seems our resident Giant and Boys fans want to come in here and piss on our corn flakes after a tough loss.

Nicely done Giant1 and Sandtrap. Thanks. Friends like these ...