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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1180472]Coaches can’t help having a liability like D. Hall on the field cause Nicholson got hurt.[/quote]

They can help it when the HC is part of the "team building co-council." We knew D.Hall was done last year, and we kept him around not because he's still good on the field, but because they liked having a mentor for the young guys. Well that's all nice and good until you need your mentor to play steady minutes.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180477]Send Jay Gruden to the pit of misery!!![/quote]

Dilly! Dilly!

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D Hall needs to go.

I really am frustrated by cousins last drive in regulation...did cousins make that decision or did Jay tell him to throw it out of bounds?

That play cost us a solid chance to win...what a terrible idea to make that throw

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[quote=Chico23231;1180481]D Hall needs to go.

I really am frustrated by cousins last drive in regulation...did cousins make that decision or did Jay tell him to throw it out of bounds?

That play cost us a solid chance to win...what a terrible idea to make that throw[/quote]

Who screwed the pooch on that play? Who was supposed to catch the ball?

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Hats off to Perrine! He looked great today. And Doctson is a #1 receivier in this league. My only positive takeaways.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1180472]Coaches can’t help having a liability like D. Hall on the field cause Nicholson got hurt.[/QUOTE]D nich is another always hurt player. Seems like we have a lot of those guys often

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180482]Who screwed the pooch on that play? Who was supposed to catch the ball?[/quote]

Jay called in a play for the bubble screen. Kirk checked to crowder for a bubble screen, and Crowder didn't get the check. He didn't know the play call. Kirk threw to where Crowder should have been.

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Tweet from Mike Wise: Big picture, my friend @granthpaulsen is right: today isn't Cousins or Gruden's fault; the last four years haven't been their fault. It's the owner and the team president. The toxicity and mismanagement forbids continuity, stability, consistent winning and even a playoff victory


Yep it all started with Scot situation this OS and it's been a joke since. Dan Snyder fuck u

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180489]Tweet from Mike Wise: Big picture, my friend @granthpaulsen is right: today isn't Cousins or Gruden's fault; the last four years haven't been their fault. It's the owner and the team president. The toxicity and mismanagement forbids continuity, stability, consistent winning and even a playoff victory


Yep it all started with Scot situation this OS and it's been a joke since. Dan Snyder fuck u

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Can’t disagree

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1180488]Jay called in a play for the bubble screen. Kirk checked to crowder for a bubble screen, and Crowder didn't get the check. He didn't know the play call. Kirk threw to where Crowder should have been.[/quote]

What yard line were we on when that happened. Think we only needed like 5 more yards or so to be in FG range. Instead, we have a mental fuck up that cost us 10 yards and 10 seconds. Then a sack.

By the way, another dumb fucking HC call. Burning a timeout on that stupid challenge where it was an obvious catch.

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Fact is we were not even supposed to be in the game and the team played their hearts out. For all the angst and Gruden bashing (I'm not a fan of his but this game he finally got some guts and went for the throat with the early 4th and 1 and the fake punt.) We just finished one of the most brutal stretches of opponents any team could imagine - 5 division leaders, and 8 playoff contending teams, while enduring brutal injuries.

Yes I was frustrated and everyone knew we would blow that lead, but we are a much better team than we were last year, we should finish 9-7 or 10-6 with our remaining schedule. If we don't then fine get rid of Gruden but as of now he has the team playing hard for him and 90% of his scheme is outstanding. He just needs to honestly evaluate his ability in the 2minute area.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1180488]Jay called in a play for the bubble screen. Kirk checked to crowder for a bubble screen, and Crowder didn't get the check. He didn't know the play call. Kirk threw to where Crowder should have been.[/quote]

Killed us...god damn it

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1180492]Fact is we were not even supposed to be in the game and the team played their hearts out. For all the angst and Gruden bashing (I'm not a fan of his but this game he finally got some guts and went for the throat with the early 4th and 1 and the fake punt.) We just finished one of the most brutal stretches of opponents any team could imagine - 5 division leaders, and 8 playoff contending teams, while enduring brutal injuries.

Yes I was frustrated and everyone knew we would blow that lead, but we are a much better team than we were last year, we should finish 9-7 or 10-6 with our remaining schedule. If we don't then fine get rid of Gruden but as of now he has the team playing hard for him and 90% of his scheme is outstanding. He just needs to honestly evaluate his ability in the 2minute area.[/quote]

90% doesn't matter if the 10% is always when it counts. He just can't get any unit to close out halfs or 4th quarters.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1180492]Fact is we were not even supposed to be in the game and the team played their hearts out. For all the angst and Gruden bashing (I'm not a fan of his but this game he finally got some guts and went for the throat with the early 4th and 1 and the fake punt.) We just finished one of the most brutal stretches of opponents any team could imagine - 5 division leaders, and 8 playoff contending teams, while enduring brutal injuries.

Yes I was frustrated and everyone knew we would blow that lead, but we are a much better team than we were last year, we should finish 9-7 or 10-6 with our remaining schedule. If we don't then fine get rid of Gruden but as of now he has the team playing hard for him and 90% of his scheme is outstanding. He just needs to honestly evaluate his ability in the 2minute area.[/QUOTE]8-8 at best

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The redskins had a 0.4 chance of losing after the 31-16 lead. Unbelievable, only this team. I'm telling u I'm so convinced it's a Snyder curse

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1180494]90% doesn't matter if the 10% is always when it counts. He just can't get any unit to close out halfs or 4th quarters.[/QUOTE]He needs to see it as a problem, but from what I have seen when Gruden sees a problem he has worked to get it corrected and usually succeeds. I think he gets this year in full and next year too but that he will be on the hot seat for sure.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180496]The redskins had a 0.4 chance of losing after the 31-16 lead. Unbelievable, only this team. I'm telling u I'm so convinced it's a Snyder curse

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Unbelievable and completely believable all at the same time. We've been drinking kool-aid and snatching defeat from the hands of victory for going on 3 decades.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180496]The redskins had a 0.4 chance of losing after the 31-16 lead. Unbelievable, only this team. I'm telling u I'm so convinced it's a Snyder curse

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Some teams say 0.4% chance of losing, the Redskins take it as a personal challenge.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1180497]He needs to see it as a problem, but from what I have seen when Gruden sees a problem he has worked to get it corrected and usually succeeds. I think he gets this year in full and next year too but that he will be on the hot seat for sure.[/quote]

I hope you're wrong about getting another year. Im officially on the fire him train.

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And start anew? That's typical Skins fan. We have a group of guys fighting through injuries and a brutal schedule for the HC and each other. You build winners through fire NOT by firing them after three years of improved play and depth.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1180501]And start anew? That's typical Skins fan. We have a group of guys fighting through injuries and a brutal schedule for the HC and each other. You build winners through fire NOT by firing them after three years of improved play and depth.[/quote]

Idw start over either, especially because Kirk might walk if Gruden walks.

But damnit man! Something has to change. And I don't trust Gruden to know enough about defense to overrule Manusky and figure out how to stop the 2 minute sieve we currently have. Manusky seems pretty set in his ways too, you'd think after all the points we've given up at the end of the half he'd change something. But nah.

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I just don't trust Gruden anymore. I think most people would agree. We needed 1 damn yard and he calls another stupid play for 2nd week in a row. He's not improving at all during the most important parts of games.

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Even with a win, we wouldn't make the playoffs. Look at how stacked the nfc is this yr. 10-6 isn't even a guarantee in the WC. If we finish 500 I'll be happy considering the injuries this team has had all year.

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When we needed a sack the most, nobody could deliver yet again. We need a Pass rusher bad in the draft or OS.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180504]Even with a win, we wouldn't make the playoffs. Look at how stacked the nfc is this yr. 10-6 isn't even a guarantee in the WC. If we finish 500 I'll be happy considering the injuries this team has had all year.

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Being as there is no way in hell Gruden can win 6 straight. Might as well go 5-11 and get a top 5ish pick. Might need a qb, and if not we can get a stud or trade down and rack up picks.

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This loss broke my spirit for rest of this season. On to 2018 and reading up on prospects, especially on defensive side.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1180507]This loss broke my spirit for rest of this season. On to 2018 and reading up on prospects, especially on defensive side.[/QUOTE]You were expecting this loss from the beginning. Yes it was a heart wrenching way to lose but it was in fact a 7-2 team riding a 7 game win streak and for the 2nd week in a row we put up 30 points one of the top defenses in the league.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1180508]You were expecting this loss from the beginning. Yes it was a heart wrenching way to lose but it was in fact a 7-2 team riding a 7 game win streak and for the 2nd week in a row we put up 30 points one of the top defenses in the league.[/quote]

I don't have any problems with the offensive players. They played well enough to win. I have a problem with Gruden. Expecting to lose before the game is not a justification for Gruden to be a bonehead during the actual game that was winnable. He led a 0.04% chance of losing to defeat. That is pathetic and thats ultimately on the HC. I want a defensive head coach that hires a real OC.

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When a team can outplay another team except at crucial moments of the games it says a whole lot about a coaching staff. This team consistently gets beat at the end of halves. It consistently gets beat in crucial moments. That is on both sides of the ball. You can lay some of that on players choking, but most of it is coaching or putting said players in a position to SEAL THE MOTHERFUCKING DEAL. Gruden not only has no ability to seal the deal but his playcalling is straight garbage. It is absolutely mind boggling to me that with a half a yard to go to win a game you are not sneaking it or handing it off straight up the fucking middle. Hey Gruden the shortest distance between two points is a straight fucking line. Holy shit. He should be fired tonight. Let Manusky take over as interim.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1180507]This loss broke my spirit for rest of this season. On to 2018 and reading up on prospects, especially on defensive side.[/QUOTE]



You aren’t getting off that easy. Lol. This team is going to win out. Trust me. They are going to have you drinking kool aid by the bucket. Only to absolutely shit the bed in the wildcard game when they next play a good team again.

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[quote=punch it in;1180514]You aren’t getting off that easy. Lol. This team is going to win out. Trust me. They are going to have you drinking kool aid by the bucket. Only to absolutely shit the bed in the wildcard game when they next play a good team again.[/quote]

LOL! Even at 10-6, they won't make it in as a wild card. Perfect ending to a frustrating season will be seeing the Cowboys taking the last WC spot and actually advancing.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1180513]When a team can outplay another team except at crucial moments of the games it says a whole lot about a coaching staff. This team consistently gets beat at the end of halves. It consistently gets beat in crucial moments. That is on both sides of the ball. You can lay some of that on players choking, but most of it is coaching or putting said players in a position to SEAL THE MOTHERFUCKING DEAL. Gruden not only has no ability to seal the deal but his playcalling is straight garbage. It is absolutely mind boggling to me that with a half a yard to go to win a game you are not sneaking it or handing it off straight up the fucking middle. Hey Gruden the shortest distance between two points is a straight fucking line. Holy shit. He should be fired tonight. Let Manusky take over as interim.[/QUOTE]So the coach who is directly responsible for the unit that has consistently collapsed at the end of half/game should be the one to take over. That makes sense.

The team should have gotten the half yard. At the NO 35 the team should have been running not throwing. But I'm still not a fan of blowing up the team at this point .

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[quote=punch it in;1180514]You aren’t getting off that easy. Lol. This team is going to win out. Trust me. They are going to have you drinking kool aid by the bucket. Only to absolutely shit the bed in the wildcard game when they next play a good team again.[/quote]

More likely we win 5 in a row and Gruden Gruden's during the 6th game. Maybe next time we need a yard in a crucial situation we can call a triple reverse.

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[quote=punch it in;1180513]When a team can outplay another team except at crucial moments of the games it says a whole lot about a coaching staff. This team consistently gets beat at the end of halves. It consistently gets beat in crucial moments. That is on both sides of the ball. You can lay some of that on players choking, but most of it is coaching or putting said players in a position to SEAL THE MOTHERFUCKING DEAL. Gruden not only has no ability to seal the deal but his playcalling is straight garbage. It is absolutely mind boggling to me that with a half a yard to go to win a game you are not sneaking it or handing it off straight up the fucking middle. Hey Gruden the shortest distance between two points is a straight fucking line. Holy shit. He should be fired tonight. Let Manusky take over as interim.[/quote]

This to the highest power!

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Read Keim's ESPN article. What a complete bumble fuck that audible was that led to the intentional grounding call was. Trying to yell in an audible on the road with a raucous crowd, another legendary coaching decision by Gruden.

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Fuck

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1180515]LOL! Even at 10-6, they won't make it in as a wild card. Perfect ending to a frustrating season will be seeing the Cowboys taking the last WC spot and actually advancing.[/QUOTE]Dallas isn't making it either have they lose tonight. Nfc is too good.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1180472]Coaches can’t help having a liability like D. Hall on the field cause Nicholson got hurt.[/quote]

I can not believe how bad he was. He can't play anymore. That's two weeks in a row where he's basically played like an old man.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1180516]So the coach who is directly responsible for the unit that has consistently collapsed at the end of half/game should be the one to take over. That makes sense.

The team should have gotten the half yard. At the NO 35 the team should have been running not throwing. But I'm still not a fan of blowing up the team at this point .[/QUOTE]



I said as interim. Of course he is not the long term answer.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180489]Tweet from Mike Wise: Big picture, my friend @granthpaulsen is right: today isn't Cousins or Gruden's fault; the last four years haven't been their fault. It's the owner and the team president. The toxicity and mismanagement forbids continuity, stability, consistent winning and even a playoff victory


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I'm kind of tired of the Snyder bashing. Yes he and Allen aren't the best people to work for but what did that have to do w/ the loss today? That prevent defense that sucked shit had nothing to do with the owner and his bitch boy.