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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185020][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/josh-norman-saw-a-lack-of-chemistry-in-washington/]Josh Norman saw a lack of chemistry in Washington – ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I get what Norman's saying. But in the end the guys you play w/ don't have to be buds off the field. I'm guessing that everyone on the Patriots don't hang out w/ one another during off hours. Guys have families and things like that. In the end you have to have on the field chemistry, not off the field chemistry.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185020][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/josh-norman-saw-a-lack-of-chemistry-in-washington/]Josh Norman saw a lack of chemistry in Washington – ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I don't think this makes much difference. I'm much more concerned about the reports that there were players asking about their assignments during warmups before games.

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Breeland who is more concerned with his rap career will be gone, hopefully ZB is back. Norman wants to win, he knows his window is closing.

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I am stoked that gruden will be back- I wont lie that he has needed to grow and learn on the job, but i think hes the right guy for this team. It amazes me how many people scream for his head. It takes a special Canidate to deal with the Snyder/allen combo.
A Josh Mcdaniels, or anybody else that most people are salivating over, aren't going to put themselves out there to get swallowed by them.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;1185131]I am stoked that gruden will be back- I wont lie that he has needed to grow and learn on the job, but i think hes the right guy for this team. It amazes me how many people scream for his head. It takes a [B]special Canidate[/B] to deal with the Snyder/allen combo.
A Josh Mcdaniels, or anybody else that most people are salivating over, aren't going to put themselves out there to get swallowed by them.[/quote]

Leave Trung out of this.

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[quote=itvnetop;1185137]Leave Trung out of this.[/quote]

:food-smil:drink:D

that guy could have been a Ring of Honor if just giving the opportunity.

Bucky Brooks like him too

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1185139]:food-smil:drink:D



that guy could have been a Ring of Honor if just giving the opportunity.



Bucky Brooks like him too[/QUOTE]


The B.B. seal of approval

Money in the bank

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Gruden has been a hc for 4 years and still can't manage the clock.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1185176]Gruden has been a hc for 4 years and still can't manage the clock.[/QUOTE]


Andy Reid says hold my beer bro

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184888]Man I thought he was a beast.... Maybe he will be next yr.[/quote]

I thought he was an average player, better fit as an ILB than an OLB to me, but I didnt like him in the 2nd round

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1185182]I thought he was an average player, better fit as an ILB than an OLB to me, but I didnt like him in the 2nd round[/quote]

In a 4-3.

I don't think he fits well in a 3-4. He isn't fast enough to cover as a 3-4 ILB and hasn't shown anything like any OLB.

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Just my 2 cents. I am glad Gruden is coming back, this organization solely needs consistency after years of coaches turnovers, and it is evident players love to play for Gruden and current coaches. Yes, Gruden made some mistakes, including ones that might have cost Redskins few games but even good head coaches make mistakes in beginning of their head coach career. We must give Gruden loose leash to let him learn from his mistakes. If Gruden continues to make same mistakes multiple times then it would make sense if we reconsider keeping him. I believe most important thing is we are keeping a team together, playing for each other and coaches. Although it is obvious we have few players who aren't buying in Gruden's strategies; it seems like Breeland is one of those players, it is disappointing because I like him as a player even though he had some games where he was terrible. We must get rid of those players and find ideal replacements via free agency and draft.

Cousin saga continues, I truly hope this off season will be the time where Redskins organization makes a final decision, whether to sign him to a big contract or move on from him. This whole situation is dragging Redskins through mud and needs to be resolved this off season. I personally want Redskins to resign him to multiple years contract, but not at the expense of restricting Redskins from signing other players (our own players and free agents). I say Redskins should make a final best offer this off season; if Cousins and his agent don't accept it then we move on.

Ryan Anderson was invisible this season, although I have faith that he will develop into a player that will contribute next year or so. He just needs time to develop. Look at Preston Smith, he didn't make any impact until later into his late 2nd year. I can see similar development process with Anderson.

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[quote=GridIron26;1185236]Just my 2 cents. I am glad Gruden is coming back, this organization solely needs consistency after years of coaches turnovers, and it is evident players love to play for Gruden and current coaches. Yes, Gruden made some mistakes, including ones that might have cost Redskins few games but even good head coaches make mistakes in beginning of their head coach career. We must give Gruden loose leash to let him learn from his mistakes. If Gruden continues to make same mistakes multiple times then it would make sense if we reconsider keeping him. I believe most important thing is we are keeping a team together, playing for each other and coaches. Although it is obvious we have few players who aren't buying in Gruden's strategies; it seems like Breeland is one of those players, it is disappointing because I like him as a player even though he had some games where he was terrible. We must get rid of those players and find ideal replacements via free agency and draft.

Cousin saga continues, I truly hope this off season will be the time where Redskins organization makes a final decision, whether to sign him to a big contract or move on from him. This whole situation is dragging Redskins through mud and needs to be resolved this off season. I personally want Redskins to resign him to multiple years contract, but not at the expense of restricting Redskins from signing other players (our own players and free agents). I say Redskins should make a final best offer this off season; if Cousins and his agent don't accept it then we move on.

Ryan Anderson was invisible this season, although I have faith that he will develop into a player that will contribute next year or so. He just needs time to develop. Look at Preston Smith, he didn't make any impact until later into his late 2nd year. I can see similar development process with Anderson.[/quote]

I'm assuming Junior won't be brought back and Ryan Anderson will at least get his playing time.

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I knew Jon Gruden was taking his son (Joe Rock) to the Raiders.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Bolt/Report-Jon-Grudens-son-Deuce-joining-Oakland-Raiders-strength-staff-113482517/[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1185387]I knew Jon Gruden was taking his son (Joe Rock) to the Raiders.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Bolt/Report-Jon-Grudens-son-Deuce-joining-Oakland-Raiders-strength-staff-113482517/[/url][/quote]

We dropped the Duece

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1185387]I knew Jon Gruden was taking his son (Joe Rock) to the Raiders.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Bolt/Report-Jon-Grudens-son-Deuce-joining-Oakland-Raiders-strength-staff-113482517/[/url][/quote]

I'm not upset. With all the injuries the 'skins have had this year, I think it had a lot to do with strength and conditioning, and we need someone in there who will better train our players up to avoid injury rather than to look like beast mode. I will say though, Deuce is stacked! I used to look like that back when I was more familiar with Photoshop, LOL!

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[quote=metalskins;1185406]I'm not upset. With all the injuries the 'skins have had this year, I think it had a lot to do with strength and conditioning, and we need someone in there who will better train our players up to avoid injury rather than to look like beast mode. I will say though, Deuce is stacked! I used to look like that back when I was more familiar with Photoshop, LOL![/quote]

Completely agree. Something isn't right with the way we manage our injuries. I don't know if it was Deuce or not, to be fair.

But we might need to get with the times on some of the sport science stuff. Recovery, prevention, anything. Or maybe some of these guys just need to stop being pussies (REED).

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[quote=Schneed10;1185408]Completely agree. Something isn't right with the way we manage our injuries. I don't know if it was Deuce or not, to be fair.

But we might need to get with the times on some of the sport science stuff. Recovery, prevention, anything. [B][I]Or maybe some of these guys just need to stop being pussies (REED).[/I][/B][/quote]

I think your last sentence says it all.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35290/redskins-rookie-class-showed-some-intrigue-but-more-impact-needed-in-future]Redskins had some intriguing rookies, but more impact needed in future - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=metalskins;1185412]I think your last sentence says it all.[/quote]

I lean that way too.

I wish I could find the clip - remember the 3rd and 1 against New Orleans where Gruden ran Perine to try to pick up the first down, which would have iced the game? Niles Paul missed his block in the hole, the Saints blew up the play and the rest is history.

Well after Perine got stopped there the camera showed Jay. He shook his head, and I read his lips. He said to himself 'this team has no fucking balls.'

I was too mad at the time to find it funny, but it was. It's also an indictment of the lack of toughness on the team (save for a handful of dudes), which is partly a reflection of the coaching staff, and partly the mindset of the players.

I think, in addition to getting healthy, we need to grow some onions.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185420]I lean that way too.

I wish I could find the clip - remember the 3rd and 1 against New Orleans where Gruden ran Perine to try to pick up the first down, which would have iced the game? Niles Paul missed his block in the hole, the Saints blew up the play and the rest is history.

Well after Perine got stopped there the camera showed Jay. He shook his head, and I read his lips. He said to himself 'this team has no fucking balls.'

I was too mad at the time to find it funny, but it was. It's also an indictment of the lack of toughness on the team (save for a handful of dudes), which is partly a reflection of the coaching staff, and partly the mindset of the players.

I think, in addition to getting healthy, we need to grow some onions.[/quote]

The absolute lack of competitiveness and toughness was the most heartbreaking thing about this season. Our team often looked like scared rabbits. Some games we look like we just didnt want to play or were too scared to play.
Im not talking about the guys like moses- who trucked it out all season, there are certainly people that played and played hard that give props.
But there is something wrong when you cant pick up 3rd and 1 consistently or
guys arent laying them selves out there to put it all on the line.
Is that a reflection of Cousins? Gruden? Upper management? Do we have too many oft injured guys that are just worried about getting a paycheck than winning the game? (Niles? Reed? Lauvou?)
i have no clue- i have been a big Gruden supporter- but if anything this is my harshest critiscism of him - he needs to get his players to step up and crush the opposition mercilessly. Be unforgiving and dominant.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185420]I lean that way too.

I wish I could find the clip - remember the 3rd and 1 against New Orleans where Gruden ran Perine to try to pick up the first down, which would have iced the game? Niles Paul missed his block in the hole, the Saints blew up the play and the rest is history.

Well after Perine got stopped there the camera showed Jay. He shook his head, and I read his lips. He said to himself 'this team has no fucking balls.'

I was too mad at the time to find it funny, but it was. It's also an indictment of the lack of toughness on the team (save for a handful of dudes), which is partly a reflection of the coaching staff, and partly the mindset of the players.

I think, in addition to getting healthy, we need to grow some onions.[/quote]

They need a killer instinct. There's no excuse with not being able to pick up one yard, especially if the game hinges on that play.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185420]I lean that way too.

I wish I could find the clip - remember the 3rd and 1 against New Orleans where Gruden ran Perine to try to pick up the first down, which would have iced the game? Niles Paul missed his block in the hole, the Saints blew up the play and the rest is history.

Well after Perine got stopped there the camera showed Jay. He shook his head, and I read his lips. He said to himself 'this team has no fucking balls.'

I was too mad at the time to find it funny, but it was. It's also an indictment of the lack of toughness on the team (save for a handful of dudes), which is partly a reflection of the coaching staff, and partly the mindset of the players.

I think, in addition to getting healthy, we need to grow some onions.[/quote]



It's hard to say that grown ass men and pro athletes don't have any balls but it def looks like our team was lacking it, and Jay has no room to talk with his sissy ass play calling in games.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185430]It's hard to say that grown ass men and pro athletes don't have any balls but it def looks like our team was lacking it, and Jay has no room to talk with his sissy ass play calling in games.[/quote]

I think athletes are trying to keep themselves healthy because they want to be just marketable enough to chase the $$$.

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This team went 7-9 despite being decimated by injuries and people are seriously doubting their competitive fire and toughness? Get the F outta here.

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[quote=MTK;1185435]This team went 7-9 despite being decimated by injuries and people are seriously doubting their competitive fire and toughness? Get the F outta here.[/quote]

Absolutely I am and I think you’re nuts if you don’t see a difference between the way the Skins play and the way some of the tougher teams do.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185440]Absolutely I am and I think you’re nuts if you don’t see a difference between the way the Skins play and the way some of the tougher teams do.[/quote]

Agreed. If anybody thinks they saw fire and competitiveness in that Giants game, then they're on drugs.

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[quote=metalskins;1185484]Agreed. If anybody thinks they saw fire and competitiveness in that Giants game, then they're on drugs.[/quote]

Last game of the season and it was 10 degrees, no excuse but def not shocked by it. Pro players do this all over the league in games like this. Not just the skins

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185486]Last game of the season and it was 10 degrees, no excuse but def not shocked by it. Pro players do this all over the league in games like this. Not just the skins[/quote]

#thingsloserssay

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Yeah I don't get the infatuation with Gruden, just seems like yet another example of NFL coaching nepotism.

If his last name was Williams he wouldn't still have this job.

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One game doesn’t define the entire season

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[quote=MTK;1185493]One game doesn’t define the entire season[/quote]

New Orleans. Chargers. Both Dallas games.

Some sissy shit in all of em Matty.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1185496]New Orleans. Chargers. Both Dallas games.



Some sissy shit in all of em Matty.[/QUOTE]


Raiders, Rams, Seahawks, Broncos

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His play calling also almost cost us the niners game. Fuckin guy has no killer instinct when the shit is on the line.... I'm over his bullshit he's soft. I wish we moved on already but if the team retains him then root for him i must.

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[quote=MTK;1185497]Raiders, Rams, Seahawks, Broncos[/quote]

The Raiders win stands out as a plus and reason to be hopeful - the Swearinger hit that decleated Beast Mode was exactly what we need to see. It came when the team was healthy and had some swagger.

Rams another good one early in the season. And the Seahawks win was probably the single most impressive of all.

But it needs to be more consistent. You can be tough in a few games but you have to be tough in all of them. There were too many where we looked soft. It contributed to the 7-9 record.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185487]#thingsloserssay[/quote]

The Eagles week 17 game looked as bad as we did. They got shut out at home by dallas.... They are 13-3 right?

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[quote=Schneed10;1185503]The Raiders win stands out as a plus and reason to be hopeful - the Swearinger hit that decleated Beast Mode was exactly what we need to see. It came when the team was healthy and had some swagger.

Rams another good one early in the season. And the Seahawks win was probably the single most impressive of all.

But it needs to be more consistent. You can be tough in a few games but you have to be tough in all of them. There were too many where we looked soft. It contributed to the 7-9 record.[/quote]

Add flat out un-prepared to soft as well. And while I do think a lot of this fell on the Defensive side of the ball, it's still the HC responsibility in the end. There were time Greg impressed me and got creative, there were too many others where he was flat out basic like he wore uggs and sweatpants and ordered at Starbucks and it made me sick. Brian Mitchell responded to a tweet i wrote about when the hell was the last time the Redskins ran a stunt or delayed blitz in the last 10 years and he said - not many. And that guy watches film. I see other defenses, for years now, and wish we had a more creative scheme. And Jay, while he has shown some balls, or just pure craziness, with a fake punt here and there or some bombs in un-predictable spots, he has no guts at times, NO KILLER instinct whatsoever and again, it makes me sick. I think he is creative, his scheme is good, but he is by no means a hard nose motivator at all, hes too soft and this team needs a real leader, not a buddy as a head coach.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185515]The Eagles week 17 game looked as bad as we did. They got shut out at home by dallas.... They are 13-3 right?[/quote]

:iamwithst:lol:

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[quote=Schneed10;1185529]:iamwithst:lol:[/quote]

Whatever makes u feel good brother lol. Facts are facts.. Yeah we sucked this yr, o well on to next yr.. As a fan nothing we all can even do.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185534]Whatever makes u feel good brother lol. Facts are facts.. Yeah we sucked this yr, o well on to next yr.. As a fan nothing we all can even do.[/quote]

We can complain! That will do wonders in improving the team..... won't it?