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[quote=Giantone;1185965]I agree plus there is this............


Since 1999 only two quarterbacks drafted top 10 overall have won a super bowl.

The Manning brothers.[/quote]

Roethlisberger was drafted 11th, convenient spot to cut it off. I'm from the hood stupid what type of facts are those.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1185912]How do you trade a FREE AGENT ?[/quote]

Exclusive rights franchise and trade. Most of you are snippy and presumptuous... however, you don't understand how the franchise tag works, nor free agency for that matter.

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Just to repeat what's been said over and over and over again...

...Cousins is VERY good to great sometimes. He might not take the team on his back that often, but he's the best we've had in YEARS. I'm at the point I don't mind totally breaking the bank on him with the Flacco treatment. If we draft better, the cap shouldn't be a giant issue moving forward. If we keep holding out hope that we're going to get the next elite QB, we're going to be waiting a long ass time.

I can count on one hand how many truly elite QBs are in the league and how long did those respective franchises wait to get them? Maybe as long as we have in waiting for Kirk.

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[quote=Brody81;1185961]It truly boggles my mind some people will be happy when Kirk leaves. I really believe those people are still so upset Kirk turned out to be the 1st round pick not RG3 they can’t see the forest through the trees.


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Lmao you really think ppl are still salty about that? - -I can't say i will be "happy" when kirk leaves - but i wil be glad in the way that hey if thats his choice then we will save a lot of cap space. I'm so up in the air tho I have supported kirk very much until starting to waiver after the week 17 giants game... and then this season which while hard to judge, was still a season. Its a tough situation and i hope w.ever happens is for the best for the franchise.

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And we shouldn't stop drafting QBs, even if we sign Kirk. The Seahawks handed Matt Flynn a big contract, and then months later drafted Russell Wilson in the 3rd round. Rest is history.

You can sign him but don't be afraid to draft competition for him in the middle rounds if you see something you like. The upside of landing that next Russell Wilson is too great, no matter how much you've paid Cousins.

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[quote=Brody81;1185961]It truly boggles my mind some people will be happy when Kirk leaves. I really believe those people are still so upset Kirk turned out to be the 1st round pick not RG3 they can’t see the forest through the trees.


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That's pretty off the mark. Only like 2% of Redskins fans give a shit about that. And the other 98% don't care what they think because they're morons.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1185949]It's business, not ego. He's free to seek his best deal, so I assume he will.[/quote]

I get that. Do what's best for you and your family. My issue is with the big shin dig with 106.7 where you've got your wife and baby there and what not. IDK, it just kind of turned me off. If you're going to do something like that where the fans are coming out to take pics then the narrative should have been... "This is where I want to be, this is where I want to end my career, I don't want to play anywhere else." But he didn't say anything that. All he did was basically leave the door open for the Redskins to compete w/ other teams if he gets to free agency. As I've said he's holding them hostage. Just not a fan of shit like that.

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After all we did draft Kirk after RgIII. Maybe that is the key draft 2 qb’s. It’s crazy to think but we got the QB we wanted and when that didn’t work we caught a break and Cousins actually did ..and dang if this might not work out, very frustrating indeed.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1185967]Exclusive rights franchise and trade. Most of you are snippy and presumptuous... however, you don't understand how the franchise tag works, nor free agency for that matter.[/quote]

This would work w/ a team that could absorb 34 million. A team like Cleveland could easily do it.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

Lets start a Poll Matt

Will Kirk be a Redskin in 2018?

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[quote=MTK;1185945]Ham sandwich with pickles[/quote]

Can of spam and a plastic fork.

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I personally don't care about RG3. The Kirk hive's only response is that people hate Cousins because they loved Robert, that is stupid.

Most of you don't remember Kirk Cousins demanded a trade when he was drafted here. He never wanted to be here. You blame the team for botched negotiations, it may be that he never intended to be here long-term. He has gotten in total $43.8 million from the Redskins, but according to the Kirk-Hive, he hasn't been loved. B.S.

Now, people are saying they'll stop being fans of the team if he leaves... Why? Kirk has won nothing of relevance. He has been good between the 20's as a QB, he can move the offense, but that is about it. The Giants, a team in our division has him figured out, don't believe me..., check the record against. No one player is greater than the team. The team will be there long after he retires.

If he is going to move on, it is in the TEAMS best interest to control that move as much as possible. Get what's best for the team. You don't want to see that, then you're not a real fan of the team, period. Franchise and Trade, especially since teams are expressing overt interest in him as a free agent.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1185975] This would work w/ a team that could absorb 34 million. A team like Cleveland could easily do it.[/quote]

The receiving team has the ability to negotiate a long-term deal with the player up and until July 15th. Therefore, the Redskins can ask Cousins's agent to seek out a trade and he can negotiate a long-term deal with that new team as they see fit. If the deal is struck, the player no longer counts 34 mm against the cap for the new team.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1185980]The receiving team has the ability to negotiate a long-term deal with the player up and until July 15th. Therefore, the Redskins can ask Cousins's agent to seek out a trade and he can negotiate a long-term deal with that new team as they see fit. If the deal is struck, the player no longer counts 34 mm against the cap for the new team.[/quote]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag[/url]

I think you mean "non-exclusive rights franchise tag":

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.


So what we should do is on the first day we are able to schedule a meeting with Cousins team and let them know we are coming with a serious offer. Make the offer and discuss it with them, giving a deadline for decision or counteroffer...which will be before the franchise tag can be given.

Then if they deny or plaining state we don't want to be here...say that is fine, but this is a business. Let them know we are applying a non-exclusive franchise tag and tell them to negotiate a deal with another team contingent on at least one first round draft as compensation along with additional picks.


This is the right plan, correct?

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[quote=Chico23231;1185983][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag[/url]

I think you mean "non-exclusive rights franchise tag":

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.


So what we should do is on the first day we are able to schedule a meeting with Cousins team and let them know we are coming with a serious offer. Make the offer and discuss it with them, giving a deadline for decision or counteroffer...which will be before the franchise tag can be given.

Then if they deny or plaining state we don't want to be here...say that is fine, but this is a business. Let them know we are applying a non-exclusive franchise tag and tell them to negotiate a deal with another team contingent on at least one first round draft as compensation along with additional picks.


This is the right plan, correct?[/quote]

It's against the CBA's rules to apply a non-exclusive franchise tag on the third iteration. Since he's been franchised twice in two consecutive seasons, the only franchise tag the Skins can apply this year is the exclusive.

Kirk would have to sign it first, and then the team would have to grant Cousins permission to speak with other teams about trades. If no deal is struck to every party's liking, then the Redskins would be stuck with a $34.4M cap hit this year, and have until July 15 to negotiate a long term deal.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185984]It's against the CBA's rules to apply a non-exclusive franchise tag on the third iteration. Since he's been franchised twice in two consecutive seasons, the only franchise tag the Skins can apply this year is the exclusive.

Kirk would have to sign it first, and then the team would have to grant Cousins permission to speak with other teams about trades. If no deal is struck to every party's liking, then the Redskins would be stuck with a $34.4M cap hit this year, and have until July 15 to negotiate a long term deal.[/quote]

thanks for the clarity!

I think id still tag and negotiate as a trade only if we couldn't get a long term deal with cousins first. once the tag is applied id tell everyone we are trading him for fair compensation

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=Brody81;1185961]It truly boggles my mind some people will be happy when Kirk leaves. I really believe those people are still so upset Kirk turned out to be the 1st round pick not RG3 they can’t see the forest through the trees.


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The man throws interceptions! And he can't single-handedly win us late regular season games that will put us in the playoffs.

A qb that doesn't throw any interceptions is a must alright. That's where I draw the line.

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[quote=Chico23231;1185986]thanks for the clarity!

I think id still tag and negotiate as a trade only if we couldn't get a long term deal with cousins first. once the tag is applied id tell everyone we are trading him for fair compensation[/quote]

Problem is nobody would trade for Cousins unless they knew he was open to signing a long term deal with them. They'd want to negotiate the terms, and since at that point he'd be guaranteed $34.4M with the Skins, I think it's much more likely that he'd say nah no thanks I'll play on the tag again.

I don't think tag and trade is plausible. There's too high a probability that you're stuck with $34.4M this year, and right back in the same spot next year.

I would just make my best offer before March 6, and if he doesn't want it, then tell him it's been real.

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I still think they should Transition Tag him (if he won't sign a reasonable but legitimate offer first). Then, let him know that as he tests the market that they will be willing to match just about any offer. When he finds the right offer from a team he wants to go to and accepts it, match, but if he wants to leave, they can work with that team to negotiate a trade.

The two risks that exist are:

1. Being on the hook for 28mil next year (beats 34 mil).

2. Another team front loads a deal so that we can't match. Tyre are very few teams that could afford to do this. If I remember correctly, it really is just the Jets and Cleveland. I doubt he'd choose either of those situations over Washington.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185989]Problem is nobody would trade for Cousins unless they knew he was open to signing a long term deal with them. They'd want to negotiate the terms, and since at that point he'd be guaranteed $34.4M with the Skins, I think it's much more likely that he'd say nah no thanks I'll play on the tag again.

I don't think tag and trade is plausible. There's too high a probability that you're stuck with $34.4M this year, and right back in the same spot next year.

I would just make my best offer before March 6, and if he doesn't want it, then tell him it's been real.[/quote]

gotcha...I think Cousins if he truly wants to "get out of here" would be willing to move on if he got a long term deal with a lotta guaranteed money...rather than just deal with all this again.

this has been mishandled from the get-go...should have listened to McC. But Bruce and Danny are bottom of the barrel.

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[quote=WillH;1185990]I still think they should Transition Tag him (if he won't sign a reasonable but legitimate offer first). Then, let him know that as he tests the market that they will be willing to match just about any offer. When he finds the right offer from a team he wants to go to and accepts it, match, but if he wants to leave, they can work with that team to negotiate a trade.

The two risks that exist are:

1. Being on the hook for 28mil next year (beats 34 mil).

2. Another team front loads a deal so that we can't match. Tyre are very few teams that could afford to do this. If I remember correctly, it really is just the Jets and Cleveland. I doubt he'd choose either of those situations over Washington.

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I've had a bit of a change of heart on this one. Perhaps they will, but I don't think they should transition him.

1) No more 1 YR deal nonsense; I'm over it, we're over it, Jay is over it, Kirk is over it. Let's move on.

2) Cousins has said he wants to make up his own mind, and choose where he wants to go. Let's let him.

I do not want him here anymore if he doesn't want to be here. Let's publicly offer him a fair deal right at 5 YR - $28M/YR, and let him choose where he wants to go. Say to him we want to support you and build around you.

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[quote=RobH4413;1185993]I've had a bit of a change of heart on this one. Perhaps they will, but I don't think they should transition him.

1) No more 1 YR deal nonsense; I'm over it, we're over it, Jay is over it, Kirk is over it. Let's move on.

2) Cousins has said he wants to make up his own mind, and choose where he wants to go. Let's let him.

I do not want him here anymore if he doesn't want to be here. [B]Let's publicly offer him a fair deal right at 5 YR - $28M/YR, and let him choose where he wants to go[/B]. Say to him we want to support you and build around you.[/quote]

If you did this right off the bat when we are first able to and Cousins says no and doesn't even counter offer....then its obvious, he doesn't want to be here. That's kinda why I would franchise him cause Im then convinced he would take less than the 34 mil franchise tag

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Yeah enough dicking around with tags.

Give him a strong offer right off the bat if you want to keep him.

Otherwise prepare to lose him.

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Yeah I want my quarterback bought in. Either you want to lead this team, or you don't. If you don't, fine no hard feelings. But I need to know, and I'm moving on if you don't.

Here's a 5-year $25M per year offer with three full seasons guaranteed. Do you want to be a Redskin or not? Please respond by March 6.

That's it. Your leader either goes all in or he's not your leader.

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[quote=RobH4413;1185993]I've had a bit of a change of heart on this one. Perhaps they will, but I don't think they should transition him.

1) No more 1 YR deal nonsense; I'm over it, we're over it, Jay is over it, Kirk is over it. Let's move on.

2) Cousins has said he wants to make up his own mind, and choose where he wants to go. Let's let him.

I do not want him here anymore if he doesn't want to be here. Let's publicly offer him a fair deal right at 5 YR - $28M/YR, and let him choose where he wants to go. Say to him we want to support you and build around you.[/quote]

28 million is just too much for Kirk. There has to be a hard line number. He doesn't deserve a 4 million a year pay raise.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1185998]28 million is just too much for Kirk. There has to be a hard line number. He doesn't deserve a 4 million a year pay raise.[/quote]

The market calls for 26M, that to me is a fair deal. If he says no to that, well then he can fuck off

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The way this team mishandled Kirk is disgusting. The football karma off the idiocy is at staggering levels.

This year draft is so poor for QBs too. None of guaranteed to develop. The kid baker sucks he reminds me of Mark Sanchez and Manziel rolled into one turd.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185999]The market calls for 26M, that to me is a fair deal. If he says no to that, well then he can fuck off[/quote]

Very true though.

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[quote=Skins4L;1186003]The way this team mishandled Kirk is disgusting. The football karma off the idiocy is at staggering levels.

This year draft is so poor for QBs too. None of guaranteed to develop. The kid baker sucks he reminds me of Mark Sanchez and Manziel rolled into one turd.[/quote]

Ive noticed he gets emotional too. Where in the attributes of QB is crying ever good? I can see Mel Kiper list attributes and hear him talking now...hearing all the typical jargon/hype draft day:

Big Arm, he can make all the throws, good on the run, gunslinger, not afraid to cry, playmaker

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[quote=Meks;1185969]Lmao you really think ppl are still salty about that? - -I can't say i will be "happy" when kirk leaves - but i wil be glad in the way that hey if thats his choice then we will save a lot of cap space. I'm so up in the air tho I have supported kirk very much until starting to waiver after the week 17 giants game... and then this season which while hard to judge, was still a season. Its a tough situation and i hope w.ever happens is for the best for the franchise.[/quote]

I agree "happy" isn't the right term if he leaves, and there are two underlying parts, 1st is the fact that every fan will be relieved once the indecision is over and a final final revised final outcome is known; 2nd is whether he left because the Skins didn't ante up, or because he was looking for an overboard contract. I don't want him here at 34M, but anything 28 and less is reasonable and hopefully he takes it.

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The Manziel comparison is just lazy, nobody in the media or analysts have said this, it just caught wind because he's a shorter QB that makes plays with his legs and is hyped up all the time. Manziel is a druggy and drunk, when has Baker been arrested or accused of being on coke?

Johnny might have been a good NFL QB if he could have laid off the pipe we will never know.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185997]Yeah I want my quarterback bought in. Either you want to lead this team, or you don't. If you don't, fine no hard feelings. But I need to know, and I'm moving on if you don't.

Here's a 5-year $25M per year offer with three full seasons guaranteed. Do you want to be a Redskin or not? Please respond by March 6.

That's it. Your leader either goes all in or he's not your leader.[/quote]

Ditto.

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[quote=Schneed10;1185997]Yeah I want my quarterback bought in. Either you want to lead this team, or you don't. If you don't, fine no hard feelings. But I need to know, and I'm moving on if you don't.

Here's a 5-year $25M per year offer with three full seasons guaranteed. Do you want to be a Redskin or not? Please respond by March 6.

That's it. Your leader either goes all in or he's not your leader.[/quote]

I could get behind a solid offer like this one. $75M in guarantees is very hefty, indeed!

I think the deadline is a team need at this point because we need to be able put a decent QB room together with or without Kirk and we also need to know what our FA budget will be so we can move ahead with other FA signings. No tag!

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If he dies, he dies (if he leaves, he leaves)

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[url]https://scout.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Former-Redskins-GM-Scot-McCloughan-Doesnt-See-Kirk-Cousins-As-Special-113893682[/url]

Interesting, but not especially novel. If Scott thought he was special they would have accepted his counter offer after 2015. As much as some wanted to believe that Scott was fighting with the FO to try to keep Cousins here, that he was the visionary that knew the year to year wouldn't work, based on what Cousins and McCloughan have said this off season, that doesn't add up.

It sounds more like Kirk overvalued himself after a strong second half of a season, Scott and the rest of the FO said prove it while we build a winning team around you, and then he outplayed statistically the value of his talent in their eyes, and ultimately it doesn't sound like Scott would pay him now, which isn't surprising given his philosophy on QBs.

If McCloughan sees the same in Cousins that the FO does, does that make losing him any more palatable to you?

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[quote=WillH;1186015][url]https://scout.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Article/Former-Redskins-GM-Scot-McCloughan-Doesnt-See-Kirk-Cousins-As-Special-113893682[/url]

Interesting, but not especially novel. If Scott thought he was special they would have accepted his counter offer after 2015. As much as some wanted to believe that Scott was fighting with the FO to try to keep Cousins here, that he was the visionary that knew the year to year wouldn't work, based on what Cousins and McCloughan have said this off season, that doesn't add up.

It sounds more like Kirk overvalued himself after a strong second half of a season, Scott and the rest of the FO said prove it while we build a winning team around you, and then he outplayed statistically the value of his talent in their eyes, and ultimately it doesn't sound like Scott would pay him now, which isn't surprising given his philosophy on QBs.

If McCloughan sees the same in Cousins that the FO does, does that make losing him any more palatable to you?

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Here's what McCloughan is reported to have actually said:

[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/08/22/scot-mccloughan-we-kind-of-messed-up-on-kirk-cousins-contract/"]‘We Kind Of Messed Up’ On Kirk Cousins Contract[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-explains-what-hed-do-with-kirk-cousins/"]"So, personally, I'd do a long-term deal. It's best for the organization financially, and you're going to have to guarantee a lot up front and all of that, but, still, you've got somebody locked in who is in his prime, and now you're not scrambling. [/URL]

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1186019]Here's what McCloughan is reported to have actually said:

[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/08/22/scot-mccloughan-we-kind-of-messed-up-on-kirk-cousins-contract/"]‘We Kind Of Messed Up’ On Kirk Cousins Contract[/URL]

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-explains-what-hed-do-with-kirk-cousins/"]"So, personally, I'd do a long-term deal. It's best for the organization financially, and you're going to have to guarantee a lot up front and all of that, but, still, you've got somebody locked in who is in his prime, and now you're not scrambling. [/URL][/QUOTE]

Those look like different interviews from earlier, but I get your point. He has said that he would try to sign him long-term, and thinks they should have sooner.

He still didn't do it though, when he had the chance. There is a lot of criticism being thrown around about not signing him sooner, and in retrospect it's a no brainer, but it just wasn't at the time and our savior that we all had placed our faith in (in Scott we trust), was part of that evaluation. And, as Scott said he would in Oct. (Second article you posted), the FO did try to sign him long term last off-season, but Cousins declined to counter, despite an offer that his agent said was clearly a good starting point for negotiations.That at least makes me feel less shitty about missing the boat on him. It wasn't organizational ignorance or incompetence, it was a sound decision that turned out to be the wrong move.

The only question that I think remains in terms of the organization's role in this is why Cousins doesn't have a peace here. Is he just bitter that he wasn't offered more sooner? Is it his relationship with Gruden? Is he not patient with the team building? Is there other dysfunction that we haven't heard about that has turned him off? Is it just about maximizing his earnings?

I think clearly the organization has played a role in whatever way in Cousins not wanting to be here, but he plays a big role in that as well. Without knowing the details though it's impossible to make a judgement about who's most at fault.

I will say this though, at this point, to me, Cousins is beginning to look more at fault than he did a month or two ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on his comments Cousins' main complaints seem to be:

1. The Redskins told me they needed more time to evaluate me after one good season of starting before signing a big long-term deal.

2. My favorite coach left, and he always propped me up. I believed in him more than anyone else here.

3. I put up good numbers, the losses aren't all my fault, but the team is judging me off of my record.

4. I haven't had a chance to shop around and I think I deserve that.

After he let everyone know he wasn't being made to feel unwelcome, was offered a legitimate starting offer, and now knowing that Scott was part of the decision not to sign him earlier, it's just hard to blame the FO, and Cousins perspective comes off as self centered. I mean, he has every right to feel the way he does and he's been an consumate professional about it, but where's the buy in and trust on his end, and why does he not understand that as an NFL QB he will always be asked to prove it?

Brady to this day has not lost the drive to prove himself and he's bought in to the people that gave him a shot, and he has found a balance in his negotiations between winning and being well compensated by not expecting his team to be limited by paying him a ridiculous percentage of the cap despite all of his success.

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first, i laugh at the people that are acting like they are spending THEIR money on cousins. give him what the going market value is. somewhere between 25-30 per. this is a qb driven league. its usually the difference between winners, and losers. from 2 years ago he has proven what he can do with legit NFL receivers. the skins could have locked him up 2 years ago for around 20 million per. i get the feeling they dont want him? otherwise they should be very public in their desire to have him as the redskins leader. other then that bumbling statement and letter from Allen, they have been very quiet. its been a long time since we have had consistent QB play like cousins has given us. why is it always something with the redskins? every other team would have had him locked up, or traded by now?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1186011]If he dies, he dies (if he leaves, he leaves)

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Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

"The skins should not pay kirk cousins 100M " Fred Smoot.

He basically said the team would be strapped and could not sign players to help win over the long haul.

Former Redskins defensive back Fred Smoot, appearing on ESPN 980 via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post, is not taking that approach. He's going with the more popular and incendiary "burn it all" tactic, saying Cousins should not be "off the hook" for slow starts again this season and that Cousins will "bankrupt the team" if they cave on his contract demands.