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[quote=GridIron26;1190024]You think we should give up on Perine? Signing Murray and draft a RB will only push Perine to #4 RB.[/quote]

Perine is a solid number 2, Kelley is the odd man out here IMO and CT is coming off an ACL, U never know how that will play out. We need RB's to compete, sign Demarco to a 1 year prove it deal. He's 30 so he won't get much $. I'd rather have Guice, Perine and CT but it's hard to justify taking a RB at 13.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190025]Perine is a solid number 2, Kelley is the odd man out here IMO and CT is coming off an ACL, U never know how that will play out. We need RB's to compete, sign Demarco to a 1 year prove it deal. He's 30 so he won't get much $. I'd rather have Guice, Perine and CT but [B]it's hard to justify taking a RB at 13[/B].[/quote]

If that is what you want, it isn't hard to justify that

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1190028]If that is what you want, it isn't hard to justify that[/quote]

Lets wait and see what we do in FA , But if we don't address G,WR,LB then I would say draft one of those before a RB.

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You "can't" take a G at # 5 either and I think that's worked out more than fine for us. Gonna be a 10 year starter.

I don't buy that there is a "can't" draft somewhere position, if filling that position will impact the team in a positive way. Get us a stud RB wherever you can find him.

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What about CJ Anderson when the Broncos cut him

Just looking at rumors and names.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1190033]What about CJ Anderson when the Broncos cut him

Just looking at rumors and names.[/quote]

He's better than what we have right now.

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[quote=WillH;1189985]AlfMo- 6th round
Thompson - 4th round

Matt Jones - 3rd

Not that AlfMo was a dominant RB, but he was a good one, better than Matt Jones and picked 3 rounds later. Thompson too was a later pick and is an important piece to the offense. Again, better value than Jones.

So, Matt Jones wasn't a first or second round pick and I think that's your point, and I tend to agree that this year's 2nd pick should probably be RB, but I'm just pointing out that if it's not as elite RB I wouldn't ever take them in the first. I'd even give pause to drafting Barkley at 13 depending on ago eke is on the board and who's willing to trade.

[B]Marshawn Lynch is the only elite RB that has won a Superbowl in 15 years and he had some help at QB. It's a passing league, RBs don't last long and just can't impact a team as much as they used to. It's to me a luxury pick to get that elite RB that you make after you're solid across the board. [/B]

But yeah, I'd like to get a better back in the 2nd this year.

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Could not agree more. You can find RB's in free agency or later on in the draft. I would never ever draft one in the 1st or 2nd round. There are so many truly great RB's that have not sniffed a SB. The only way I'd draft one high is if he stays on the field on 3rd down, like Portis did. He's the last complete back we've had around here.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1190041]Could not agree more. You can find RB's in free agency or later on in the draft. I would never ever draft one in the 1st or 2nd round. There are so many truly great RB's that have not sniffed a SB. The only way I'd draft one high is if he stays on the field on 3rd down, like Portis did. He's the last complete back we've had around here.[/QUOTE]Michel likes pass blocking. Just saying...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1190041]Could not agree more. You can find RB's in free agency or later on in the draft. I would never ever draft one in the 1st or 2nd round. There are so many truly great RB's that have not sniffed a SB. The only way I'd draft one high is if he stays on the field on 3rd down, like Portis did. He's the last complete back we've had around here.[/quote]

And being good enough to bump Thompson out of the 3rd down role is hard to do.

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[quote=WillH;1190042]Michel likes pass blocking. Just saying...

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he fumbles

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In related RB news...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000920308/article/the-wisdom-of-drafting-saquon-barkley-no-1-value-free-agents]The wisdom of drafting Saquon Barkley No. 1; value free agents - NFL.com[/url]

If a great RB is available and he is BPA you draft him where you can get him.

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Torrey Smith traded to the Panthers...
Dagnabit

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1190046]In related RB news...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000920308/article/the-wisdom-of-drafting-saquon-barkley-no-1-value-free-agents]The wisdom of drafting Saquon Barkley No. 1; value free agents - NFL.com[/url]

If a great RB is available and he is BPA you draft him where you can get him.[/quote]

A RB most likely has 4-5years with the first team to draft them, then likely won't see the second contract with the same team. I don't think Elliot is a Cowboy in 2022, unless he takes a seriously undervalued contract. Nearly every other position, if the player is a star, you hope for 8-12, or like Scherff and Williams you hope for 10 to 15.

A RB in the first round has to be a superstar to be worth it. Maybe Barkley is, but most aren't

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[quote=MTK;1189869]Exactly, Gruden has a totally different relationship with the players than Williams does. Did we already forget the king of coach speak Joe Gibbs? In public he would never say anything bad about his guys. It’s just part of the job.

And if you read between the lines it’s not hard to see what Gruden is really saying.[/quote]

This sorta thing used to be referred to as "Having Class."

I know it's a foreign idea these days but it use to be as long you were employed or employing someone you kept up a good face towards each other for the sake of the companies reputation.

I for one prefer this type of behavior as apposed to someone such as Hue in Cleveland who likes to publicly take shots at his team/players.

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If you take a look over the last 15 years also, with the exception of Flacco and Foles all the Super Bowl winners had elite QBs or QBs playing at an elite level, but the way people talk you would think to never take a RB ever, just UDFA every year

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The running game is only going to reach a certain level with Jay as the HC/OC. And thats okay because hes very creative and efficient with the passing game.

I think giving him a high draft pick RB will only move the run game forward so far especially in comp to how that same pick could help other positions.

I would draft a RB late and not over react to the bad luck the team had with injuries at that position last year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1190046]In related RB news...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000920308/article/the-wisdom-of-drafting-saquon-barkley-no-1-value-free-agents]The wisdom of drafting Saquon Barkley No. 1; value free agents - NFL.com[/url]

If a great RB is available and he is BPA you draft him where you can get him.[/quote]
I agree and I think that Cleveland has to start to do things to build the rest of that team like a running back.I said before if they don't take him the Giants will. Now they could trade that pick for a whole shit load of picks put who knows. I think if he is gone the Giants trade down in the draft.

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[quote=Giantone;1190057]I agree and I think that Cleveland has to start do things to build the rest of that team like a running back.I said before if they don't take him the Giants will. Now they could trade that pick for a whole shit load of picks put who knows. I think if he is gone the Giants trade down in the draft.[/quote]

Here's to the Browns doing the smart thing and taking Barkley #1 to keep him OUT of our division.

The giants could easily bounce back next year and I don't even want to think about Barkley, Odell, Shepard and Engram on third downs.

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[quote=sevier2;1190076]Here's to the Browns doing the smart thing and taking Barkley #1 to keep him OUT of our division.

The giants could easily bounce back next year and I don't even want to think about Barkley, Odell, Shepard and Engram on third downs.[/quote]

Just like they picked Wentz to keep him out of the division. Never trust the Browns lol.

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[QUOTE=sevier2;1190076]Here's to the Browns doing the smart thing and taking Barkley #1 to keep him OUT of our division.

The giants could easily bounce back next year and I don't even want to think about Barkley, Odell, Shepard and Engram on third downs.[/QUOTE]I would rather they have Barkley then 2 or 3 additional top picks to solidify their OL with.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1190020]Like I said I would look at Demarco for a cheap deal, and then draft a guy in the 3rd or so. If not then I want Guice in the 1st but after a trade down situation.[/QUOTE]


Cooley and Kevin made me come around on Murray a bit. As long as it’s a reasonable deal there’s no doubt he would be an upgrade and we could still draft someone. And he knows Callahan well.

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[quote=MTK;1190150]Cooley and Kevin made me come around on Murray a bit. As long as it’s a reasonable deal there’s no doubt he would be an upgrade and we could still draft someone. And he knows Callahan well.[/quote]

Yeah that's the deal there, he was great with Bill in Dallas, he's 30 but other guys have stayed productive at 30, Forte, Faulk, Martin etc. It can be done.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190153]Yeah that's the deal there, he was great with Bill in Dallas, he's 30 but other guys have stayed productive at 30, Forte, Faulk, Martin etc. It can be done.[/quote]

I listened to the same Cooley broadcast as Matty.

If he can actually make the right read and cut, and press the edge, 30 or not, he would be better than anyone on the roster in 1st and 2nd downs. CT excluded of course.

I would be for very short term deal.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1190157]I listened to the same Cooley broadcast as Matty.

If he can actually make the right read and cut, and press the edge, 30 or not, he would be better than anyone on the roster in 1st and 2nd downs. CT excluded of course.

I would be for very short term deal.[/quote]

2 year deal for like 6M seems like a solid deal for him. 3m a year for a 30 yo RB isn't too bad.

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wouldn't mind murray at the right price, of course. RB is a tricky position for us right now it seems. Do you draft one in the first? I can't see that being touted as that pressing of a need for the FO brass or Jay but who knows what kind of smoke screens they are throwing up.

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I would rather us just draft someone in the first two rounds and have our guy for the future.

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I still believe Perine can get better but he will never be a back that scares a defense, he's more of a truckload short yardage guy.. I'm all for drafting a RB but I still think we should trade down to do that, unless Barkley was at 13 (which is not happening)

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Why get DeMarco Murray when we can get AP?

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22731203/arizona-cardinals-expected-release-rb-adrian-peterson-monday]Arizona Cardinals expected to release RB Adrian Peterson on Monday[/url]

If those two don't work out, I'm sure there's another old running back seeking one more payday before his legs give out that we can bring in.

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[quote=mooby;1190165]Why get DeMarco Murray when we can get AP?

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22731203/arizona-cardinals-expected-release-rb-adrian-peterson-monday]Arizona Cardinals expected to release RB Adrian Peterson on Monday[/url]

If those two don't work out, I'm sure there's another old running back seeking one more payday before his legs give out that we can bring in.[/quote]

AD is 33 , and has had way more wear and tear.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190166]AD is 33 , and has had way more wear and tear.[/quote]

True, however I don't see the need to invest in any running backs whose best days are behind them.

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[quote=mooby;1190169]True, however I don't see the need to invest in any running backs whose best days are behind them.[/quote]

cant argue against that logic either

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i'd love to find a back for the future, too. But as well all know there are no sure things, so is drafting near the top of the draft a great idea with some of the other holes we have on the team? Not IMO - but signing an aging vet isn't the be all end all answer, either, in this case. Thats why the f/o and talent guys get paid the big bucks, so hopefully they figure this bs out.

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D. Murray can come in and give us a much improved running game for the next two years, so if there is mutual interest, I say let's go for it.

'No doubt about it,' Redskins need to upgrade at running back
 

It’s always nice to have “the future” at a position but sometimes you just need a guy to get you to the future.

The more I study up on the draft it seems like going defense at 13 makes the most sense, will there be a RB in the 2nd worth taking? I’m not so sure.

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[quote=MTK;1190179]It’s always nice to have “the future” at a position but sometimes you just need a guy to get you to the future.

The more I study up on the draft it seems like going defense at 13 makes the most sense, will there be a RB in the 2nd worth taking? I’m not so sure.[/quote]

They always say better 1 round too early than 1 pick too late.

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Per Keim "Bruce and co. will have dinner with Guice and have a private workout"

It appears that Guice is the #1 player on our board, at least seems that way. I would love to get him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191582]Per Keim "Bruce and co. will have dinner with Guice and have a private workout"

It appears that Guice is the #1 player on our board, at least seems that way. I would love to get him.[/quote]

Would you be upset if they dropped back to around 23, then missed him because they dropped back to get some an extra pick?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1191583]Would you be upset if they dropped back to around 23, then missed him because they dropped back to get some an extra pick?[/quote]

I do want to trade back a few spots, I think around 20 or so would still be safe. If we missed him it would suck though.

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Bruce can only draft top 20 talent.
The rest of his late round picks sucks.
not one second round pick has worked out since he's been here.

Please no trading back.

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[quote=jamf;1191587]Bruce can only draft top 20 talent.
The rest of his late round picks sucks.
not one second round pick has worked out since he's been here.

Please no trading back.[/quote]

Just off last yr alone , Monte and Perine both played well for us at times.