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[quote=skinsfan69;1192120]Not sure if anyone caught Russell on 106.7 this am. Basically he said that Snyder is pretty fed up w/ Allen, and if things don't improve he'll be reassigned to only deal with the new stadium stuff. He mentioned that the constant PR embarrassments are the main issue.. going back to the 2014 press conference, the mess w/ Scot, the Cousins debacle, and most recently the thing that happened w/ the Smith trade, where Williams was made to look like a figure head.[/quote]

When it comes to drama the Skins have never stopped having it, but we find ways to re-invent the circus.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192120]Not sure if anyone caught Russell on 106.7 this am. Basically he said that Snyder is pretty fed up w/ Allen, and if things don't improve he'll be reassigned to only deal with the new stadium stuff. He mentioned that the constant PR embarrassments are the main issue.. going back to the 2014 press conference, the mess w/ Scot, the Cousins debacle, [B]and most recently the thing that happened w/ the Smith trade, where Williams was made to look like a figure head.[/B][/quote]

That is so true! The first thing I thought when I read that account was how could Allen make Williams look that bad to the public? Then I thought is Williams really a figurehead?

That's not leadership on Bruce's part. He made himself look bad, as well. Insecure, ego-centric managers can't stand to give their subordinates proper credit when credit is due.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192120]Not sure if anyone caught Russell on 106.7 this am. Basically he said that Snyder is pretty fed up w/ Allen, and if things don't improve he'll be reassigned to only deal with the new stadium stuff. He mentioned that the constant PR embarrassments are the main issue.. going back to the 2014 press conference, the mess w/ Scot, the Cousins debacle, and most recently the thing that happened w/ the Smith trade, [B]where Williams was made to look like a figure head.[/B][/quote]

Doug Wlliams? If so, what incident did I miss?

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[quote=GridIron26;1192126]Doug Wlliams? If so, what incident did I miss?[/quote]

Basically Allen made the Smith deal and didn't tell Williams until he came to work the next day. He told Williams, "don't pick up your phone until we talk." The media got a hold of it and made it a big deal. If Williams is your VP of Football why wasn't he in on the trade? How come he didn't know until the next day. That type of thing.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/4/4/17197386/rumor-dan-snyder-is-furious-with-bruce-allen-the-redskins-need-to-win-or-hes-getting-reassigned[/url]

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IDK, Russell to me seems like a total drama queen

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192127]Basically Allen made the Smith deal and didn't tell Williams until he came to work the next day. He told Williams, "don't pick up your phone until we talk." The media got a hold of it and made it a big deal. If Williams is your VP of Football why wasn't he in on the trade? How come he didn't know until the next day. That type of thing.[/quote]

Ah yes I remember that.. I didn't think of anything about that since we don't know exactly the purpose behind that message but now with this news, I suppose it means he wasn't involved in the trade process like you explained or at least it definitely wasn't anything good.

... Just right when we are starting to think Redskins are becoming drama-free organization :doh:

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It’s pretty simple, all the talent evaluators put together a list and Smith was at the top of all of them. Allen is the guy that actually makes the call and pulls the trigger on the deal. The WP article was sloppy in making it seem like anyone was left in the dark, that’s just not the case.

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I always wonder how similar a lot of our "issues" are to many of the other teams around the league, but we're just ragged on more because we're the Skins.

But then on the flip side, we've done a lot of losing the last 25 years so it's probably warranted.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1192135]It’s pretty simple, all the talent evaluators put together a list and Smith was at the top of all of them. Allen is the guy that actually makes the call and pulls the trigger on the deal. The WP article was sloppy in making it seem like anyone was left in the dark, that’s just not the case.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the scenario Cooley laid out on his show the other day as to how it went down.

There is a whole team of behind the scenes people evaluating players but BA is the only one anyone knows about.

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I don't have a problem with Allen being on the hot seat for the team's record, he's the final decision guy and now that all the issues have been dealt with, I think it is reasonable for Snyder to expect better results out of Allen and Gruden.

That being said, people need to stop acting like we are the Jets or the Browns. We have room for improvement, but things are okay and could potentially improve IMO.

People also need to get over Cousins, it was not going to work out, and it's not JUST the teams' fault. We definitely would have been SOL if we had given him $84 million guaranteed.

I also don't mind the way the team functions now, in case people have forgotten we no longer:

- Have our owner meddle with the team and make stupid decisions.
- Sign over the hill players for a ton of money based on past exploits (Bruce Smith, Jason Taylor, Deion, etc., etc.).
- Make stupid knee-jerk trade decisions (remember the TJ Duckett trade?)
- Continue to carry a ton of dead money for previous bad contracts.
- Always having cap room issues because of said bad contracts.
- Having nobodies like Danny Wuerfell or Shane Matthews as our QBs.

Now, I'm not saying that the FO or Allen's tenure has been perfect. They've made mistakes and could use improvement like any other team. But, people need to act like it is the end of the world. And if they the team drops a turd this season, then yes, some people will need to get fired (I'd be fine with Eric Schaeffer as the GM).

Finally, I don't believe anything that Chris Russell or Jason Reid say about the Redskins. They are as believable as Mike Florio or Jason LaCanfora and their TMZ-like reports.

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[quote=MTK;1192129]IDK, Russell to me seems like a total drama queen[/quote]

I don't listen to him much, but he does seem to be

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Get rid of Allen and make Eric Schaffer the GM. That would be awesome.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1192148]I don't listen to him much, but he does seem to be[/QUOTE]


I had to stop following him on Twitter, he seems to always be stirring up shit

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[quote=MTK;1192150]I had to stop following him on Twitter, he seems to always be stirring up shit[/quote]

I stopped following him when the team acquired DeSean Jackson and he threw a hissy fit about it. Before the team acquired him, he said he would quit if the Redskins got Jackson (he didn't unfortunately).

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1192151]I stopped following him when the team acquired DeSean Jackson and he threw a hissy fit about it. Before the team acquired him, he said he would quit if the Redskins got Jackson (he didn't unfortunately).[/QUOTE]


Yeah forgot about that, he’s definitely all drama

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There are parts of the media that simply hate Snyder and/or the Skins, and make their living finding dirt to muddy the waters.

The nut of the story, if the Skins don't win then Allen should be moved is true of every GM and Front office in the league. The drama this report brings is a clickbait reporter knowing that there is a strong anti BA base, and reports of his demise will get lots of publicity.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1192120] recently the thing that happened w/ the Smith trade, where Williams was made to look like a figure head.[/quote]

I don’t get that one. Williams is NOT a GM. Fans assumed he had more authority than he did, but Doug’s just a personnel guy. bruce has always been the guy.

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I just don't see how Allen ever gets canned here barring absolute total collapse / failure - like going winless or being brutal this season at 3 or 4 wins. Dan and Bruce seem too chummy, maybe even more so than him and Vinny. Speaking of Vinny, i do believe that Vinny actually had a better W-L record than Bruce, but someone can correct me if i'm wrong.

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If Bruce and Jay don't start winning soon (perhaps this upcoming season) Snyder will fire both of them. Count on it.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1192150]I had to stop following him on Twitter, he seems to always be stirring up shit[/QUOTE]



Agree with comments on Chris Russell, but that doesn’t necessarily mean there is no substance to the report that Snyder is growing impatient with BA. May be wishful thinking on my part.

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[QUOTE=HTTR;1192168]Agree with comments on Chris Russell, but that doesn’t necessarily mean there is no substance to the report that Snyder is growing impatient with BA. May be wishful thinking on my part.[/QUOTE]


Agree, but if anyone other than CR was reporting it I’d be more inclined to believe it

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Regardless of the source...is it that unbelievable?

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You always have to consider a source

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[quote=Defensewins;1192179]Regardless of the source...is it that unbelievable?[/quote]

You had to have a fan revolt to get rid of Vinnie (Remember the one poster's truck? and the ban on stadium signs?)

Shanahan basically revolted against DS/BA so he was fired

before that Gibbs would have stayed on, but chose to leave.

My point is that Snyder has not demonstrated the impatient firing streak that the haters in the media cling too for staff he "gets along with"(VC, JG). So unless BA and/or JG start butting heads with him out of the blue, I doubt they are just going to fired because DS is "furious".

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[quote=MTK;1192183]You always have to consider a source[/quote]

You also have to consider the front office. Is it that unbelievable?
I get that you want to give BA the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he deserves that. Maybe not.
I would not shed a tear if a positive change is made at the head of the FO.
Allen has been here a long time. Coach is ok.

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I'm definitely with Matty - if somebody other than Chris Russell said this I'd be much more inclined to put stock in it.

It's not a question of whether Bruce Allen deserves to be on the hot seat or not. It's a question of whether he actually is.

Until we get a more credible source saying this, I'm inclined to believe it's bullshit. Even though Allen deserves it.

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What will most likely happen is that Bruce will deflect all of the bad stuff onto Doug Williams, who will serve as the scapegoat and be sacrificed. Which would be difficult, considering Williams is considered a hero to the 'skins for his magnificent Super Bowl performance in XXII. But still, look what's happening right now. Williams is being interviewed as if he's the GM. Allen is nowhere to be found. So, something goes south, who's in the spotlight? Doug Williams. Bruce might be willing to give Williams the credit if the 'skins are successful - at least a side note - but guarantee if the 'skins have another bad season, Williams takes the fall.

Maybe there will be an in-house promotion of sorts coming soon, but I'm not sure it should be Williams. I think you have to consider Eric Schaffer. Either way, I wouldn't hold my breath for any change - at least positive change - anytime soon.

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Bruce is a politician, thats what they do.

It's Dans fault for believing his bullshit.

it would be easier to get a stadium in DC if you actually started winning instead of focusing on pant colors.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/]Poll of agents has Bruce Allen as least-trusted executive – ProFootballTalk[/url]

yikes

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192672][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/]Poll of agents has Bruce Allen as least-trusted executive – ProFootballTalk[/url]

yikes[/quote]

That's really interesting.. Anyone have an idea why Allen isn't trustworthy?

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[quote=GridIron26;1192674]That's really interesting.. Anyone have an idea why Allen isn't trustworthy?[/quote]

JP Finley tweeted that "I'm not surprised" but then he deleted it... So He must know something

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bruce sux folks...moving on

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Good week for Bruce. Voted 2nd worst GM by NFL.com and the least trustworthy by agents.

Schaffer for GM in 2019.

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[quote=GridIron26;1192674]That's really interesting.. Anyone have an idea why Allen isn't trustworthy?[/quote]

I think Jamf's point above:
[quote=jamf;1192285]Bruce is a politician, thats what they do.
...[/quote]

Speaks to why he is seen as untrustworthy. This poll is a lot worse in my opinion than the bogus rankings from the other poll.

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Whatever happens, I hope we will keep Schaffer and eventually promote him to GM soon enough..

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I'm pretty sure agents don't like Bruce because of we don't overpay anyone like we used to. At the end of the day, agents are trying to get the most money out of those contracts and teams are trying to pay the least.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192672][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/]Poll of agents has Bruce Allen as least-trusted executive – ProFootballTalk[/url]

yikes[/quote]

This poll combined with future losing, not making the playoffs and poor player management is what gets GM's and others fired.
I am [B][U]not[/U][/B] saying Allen will definitely get fired soon, it will take a lot for Snyder to fire Allen.

The successful NBA team I work for, creating an environment that has Free Agents wanting to come here team is critically important to us. We make it a priority. We want them to line up at our door and maybe take less money to play here because players think it is a good place to work and win.
That kind of poll result would lead to ass chewing here.
While we do not want to live and die via free agency, nobody wants that. The draft is the preferred method to build our team, as is most teams and sports.
But free agency is a critically important component and in some cases more important than the draft. Like the Philadelphia Eagles and Jacksonville Jaguars did last year, you can turnaround a below average team [B]quickly[/B] with smart and strong free agent class.
That poll is not good news.

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[quote=Defensewins;1192687]This poll combined with future losing, not making the playoffs and poor player management is what gets GM's and others fired.
I am [B][U]not[/U][/B] saying Allen will definitely get fired soon, it will take a lot for Snyder to fire Allen.

The successful NBA team I work for, creating an environment that has Free Agents wanting to come here team is critically important to us. We make it a priority. We want them to line up at our door and maybe take less money to play here because players think it is a good place to work and win.
That kind of poll result would lead to ass chewing here.
While we do not want to live and die via free agency, nobody wants that. The draft is the preferred method to build our team, as is most teams and sports.
But free agency is a critically important component and in some cases more important than the draft. Like the Philadelphia Eagles and Jacksonville Jaguars did last year, you can turnaround a below average team [B]quickly[/B] with smart and strong free agent class.
That poll is not good news.[/quote]

2 things

1. You are absolutely right about BA getting fired if this trend continues, there was a report last week that DS is not happy with BA, now that may just be a stretch but it was reported by a few sources. JP Finley being one.

2. CP3 is overrated and cant win in the playoffs :)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1192689]2 things

1. You are absolutely right about BA getting fired if this trend continues, there was a report last week that DS is not happy with BA, now that may just be a stretch but it was reported by a few sources. JP Finley being one.

2. CP3 is overrated and cant win in the playoffs :)[/quote]

1. I would not be surprised that Snyder might be losing patience for multiple reasons including the team has regressed a little bit in the last three years. Now this poll adds weight.

2. It looks like OKC may have their hands full right now. Makes for good competitive games.