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I give the draft a B- because I think we wasted the 3rd round pick on a guy that will add no value to the team in the first 2-3 years.

Payne is going to be a very good player but I think James and Edmunds have much higher upsides and play positions of need for us. I would've preferred to go with a skill position at 13.

Trading down and getting Guice was an "A" move. Great value pick at a position of need. The kid worries me a bit but hopefully he can figure things out and dominate for us.

I don't get the 3rd round pick. This team needs to draft starters and you should be able to find a guy to help out at Guard, ILB, or TE in this spot.
This could've been a day 1 starter if things worked out. We don't have time to experiment with guys at guard, we needed to draft one even if it's a reach.

I like the Apke and Stroman picks, they can make special teams better right away. Apke has elite athleticism, hopefully he is a bit crazy and willing to make special teams coverage his thing.
Stroman returned kicks at Virginia. He should be able to takeover Crowders return duties.


I change my grade to a solid B.
They have two starters and two special teams players that will contribute week 1.

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[quote=MTK;1193948]Definitely, tough to play guard at his height

Anyone remember the Todd Wade experiment at guard? Same situation, big tall dude, fine for a tackle, couldn’t cut it at guard[/quote]

WOW I forgot about him.
He couldn't move anyone off the line!

Low man wins in the trenches.

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[quote=jamf;1193971]I give the draft a B- because I think we wasted the 3rd round pick on a guy that will add no value to the team in the first 2-3 years.

Payne is going to be a very good player but I think James and Edmunds have much higher upsides and play positions of need for us. I would've preferred to go with a skill position at 13.

Trading down and getting Guice was an "A" move. Great value pick at a position of need. The kid worries me a bit but hopefully he can figure things out and dominate for us.

I don't get the 3rd round pick. This team needs to draft starters and you should be able to find a guy to help out at Guard, ILB, or TE in this spot.
This could've been a day 1 starter if things worked out. We don't have time to experiment with guys at guard, we needed to draft one even if it's a reach.

I like the Apke and Stroman picks, they can make special teams better right away. Apke has elite athleticism, hopefully he is a bit crazy and willing to make special teams coverage his thing.
Stroman returned kicks at [B]Virginia Tech[/B]. He should be able to takeover Crowders return duties.


I change my grade to a solid B.
They have two starters and two special teams players that will contribute week 1.[/quote]

whoa, had to fix that for ya Jamf...that's kinda a big deal.

Always good analysis, but I think the swing OT pick in was a smart pick. They really like him a lot and our depth kinda stinks. Also...and Im not stating anytime soon, but this could be a move seen as a possible replacement for either of the starters. I think the Tackle pick in the 3rd says they think his potential is more than just depth.


Stroman really improved his game...it took a major jump last year...he turned into a really strong player. And remember, Coach Torian Gray recruited him and coached for a couple years at Va Tech. I think PFF had Stroman as one of the top CB in the stat when "thrown against" had one of the least caught percentages in the country. Stroman pick wasn't just some throw away, special teamer...I think they want to get a look at him in coverage. Found the stat: •Made a play on the ball on almost 37 percent of his targets over last two years and allowed just 25.6 percent completion rate this year.

Stroman has a slot corner make up...with Fuller gone, we got an opening there.

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I think there’s a lot of value in a swing tackle considering Trent and Morgan are both coming off injury riddled seasons

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I was not a fan of the 3rd round tackle but am coming around. It's drafting for a future need. I get that and assume that the LG position will come around.

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2. Greg Stroman, Virginia Tech

Playmaker index: 27.7 percent (13 PD+INT, 47 targets)



The least-targeted on this list, Stroman absolutely locked down his receivers in 2017 for that vaunted Hokie defense. By season’s end, Stroman actually combined for more plays on the ball (13) than he allowed receptions (12) all season long. Those 12 receptions allowed include three in his final game against Oklahoma State as he still allowed a career-low 25.5 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught on the season.

Stroman has everything NFL brass should be looking for: size, speed, length, ball skills, awareness, etc. and he should make for one durable cornerback with a proven knack for finding the football. He finished his career in Blacksburg with 31 total plays on the ball and allowed only 41.9 percent of his 124 targeted passes to be caught over four years.


This is PFF pre draft write up on Stroman as no 2 on their list of CB Playmakers.

Stroman is known as a ball hawk...he will get a lot hands on passes and likes to undercut throws looking for the big play

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[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23366481/tampa-bay-buccaneers-investigating-threatening-tweets-directed-gm-jason-licht]Tampa Bay Buccaneers investigating threatening tweets directed toward GM Jason Licht[/url]

what an idiot lol

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This Trey Quinn kid looks pretty damn good too

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Plus, he's a known commodity to Torrian Gray--VTech pipeline working.

One thing I like about this draft is that it gives our good development coaches excellent raw material to work with. Better, younger, faster, fatter!

[quote=Chico23231;1193979]2. Greg Stroman, Virginia Tech

Playmaker index: 27.7 percent (13 PD+INT, 47 targets)



The least-targeted on this list, Stroman absolutely locked down his receivers in 2017 for that vaunted Hokie defense. By season’s end, Stroman actually combined for more plays on the ball (13) than he allowed receptions (12) all season long. Those 12 receptions allowed include three in his final game against Oklahoma State as he still allowed a career-low 25.5 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught on the season.

Stroman has everything NFL brass should be looking for: size, speed, length, ball skills, awareness, etc. and he should make for one durable cornerback with a proven knack for finding the football. He finished his career in Blacksburg with 31 total plays on the ball and allowed only 41.9 percent of his 124 targeted passes to be caught over four years.


This is PFF pre draft write up on Stroman as no 2 on their list of CB Playmakers.

Stroman is known as a ball hawk...he will get a lot hands on passes and likes to undercut throws looking for the big play[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1193979]2. Greg Stroman, Virginia Tech

Playmaker index: 27.7 percent (13 PD+INT, 47 targets)



The least-targeted on this list, Stroman absolutely locked down his receivers in 2017 for that vaunted Hokie defense. By season’s end, Stroman actually combined for more plays on the ball (13) than he allowed receptions (12) all season long. Those 12 receptions allowed include three in his final game against Oklahoma State as he still allowed a career-low 25.5 percent of passes thrown his way to be caught on the season.

Stroman has everything NFL brass should be looking for: size, speed, length, ball skills, awareness, etc. and he should make for one durable cornerback with a proven knack for finding the football. He finished his career in Blacksburg with 31 total plays on the ball and allowed only 41.9 percent of his 124 targeted passes to be caught over four years.


This is PFF pre draft write up on Stroman as no 2 on their list of CB Playmakers.

Stroman is known as a ball hawk...he will get a lot hands on passes and likes to undercut throws looking for the big play[/quote]

So why did he fall to so late?

edit: Looked it up:
[quote]Sources Tell Us

"I worry more about how he will hold up as an NFL tackler because of how thin he is. I'm not worried about the coverage part at all. He's been challenged by big guys, fast guys and big fast guys in that conference and he's done really well against all of them." -- former NFL defensive backs coach[/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1193999]So why did he fall to so late?[/quote]

size and frame. He's gonna play inside on the slot...outside NFL starters may be too much...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1193977]I was not a fan of the 3rd round tackle but am coming around. It's drafting for a future need. I get that and assume that the LG position will come around.[/quote]

I love that pick and it looks like the Redskins stayed true to their board. Both our tackles were a mess injury wise. Moses was on two bad ankles and should not have been out there. Same w/ Trent. Plus Ty got hurt and there was basically nothing else there. Now you have a highly drafted guy who hopefully can step in if anything should happen. When was the last time Trent made it through an entire season w/out an injury? He's always hurt at this point of his career and we'll need quality depth there.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1194005]I love that pick and it looks like the Redskins stayed true to their board. Both our tackles were a mess injury wise. Moses was on two bad ankles and should not have been out there. Same w/ Trent. Plus Ty got hurt and there was basically nothing else there. Now you have a highly drafted guy who hopefully can step in if anything should happen. When was the last time Trent made it through an entire season w/out an injury? He's always hurt at this point of his career and we'll need quality depth there.[/quote]

I know it's blasphemy to OLine philosophy, but I wouldn't mind seeing a rotation on the left side with Trent and Ty.

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I have no doubt that Trent could be a HOF LG. However, I think he is potentially a HOF LT which is a much more important position. Ty is a good LT; a solid starter. Not sure he will be that at LG.

So, as a combination:

LT Ty + LG Trent > LT Trent + LG Ty.

Hard to move an All-Pro LT inside no matter how you cut it though.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1194012]I have no doubt that Trent could be a HOF LG. However, I think he is potentially a HOF LT which is a much more important position. Ty is a good LT; a solid starter. Not sure he will be that at LG.

So, as a combination:

LT Ty + LG Trent > LT Trent + LG Ty.

Hard to move an All-Pro LT inside no matter how you cut it though.[/quote]

I hear what you are saying, and agree about it being hard to move TW inside. but just for one minute, could you stop and imagine Scherff, TW, and Roullier pushing the pocket forward with Moses and Nsheke blocking the edges out, Guice deep back split JReed to one side with Crowder, Doctson and Richardson to the other. That would be an excellent front for run or pass. I am sure it's Burgundy glasses, but I see opposing defensive coordinators calling in sick Sunday mornings before the game. :)

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1194012]I have no doubt that Trent could be a HOF LG. However, I think he is potentially a HOF LT which is a much more important position. Ty is a good LT; a solid starter. Not sure he will be that at LG.

So, as a combination:

LT Ty + LG Trent > LT Trent + LG Ty.

Hard to move an All-Pro LT inside no matter how you cut it though.[/QUOTE]This was discussed at length when Trent moved to guard mid game against the giants.

They absolutely ran over their ass. Trent dominated both defensive tackles who were in a 4 point stance to fire on him on back to back plays. He caught Harrison twisted him and put him on his back.

I'm in favor of having the 5 best players on the field.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/01/trey-quinn-im-the-most-relevant-mr-irrelevant-ever/]Trey Quinn: I’m the most relevant Mr. Irrelevant ever – ProFootballTalk[/url]

I like this dude

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1194034][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/01/trey-quinn-im-the-most-relevant-mr-irrelevant-ever/]Trey Quinn: I’m the most relevant Mr. Irrelevant ever – ProFootballTalk[/url]



I like this dude[/QUOTE]


Jay was pounding the table to take him earlier, he could be a real gem

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[quote=MTK;1194035]Jay was pounding the table to take him earlier, he could be a real gem[/quote]

He was a 5 star recruit and went to LSU, he in not the typical "Mr. Irrelevant" Watching tape on him, I would be really surprised if he isn't on the team week 1.

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Speaking of the Mr Irrelevant title they should scrap that BS. I know it’s not meant to be insulting but it is

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[quote=MTK;1194037]Speaking of the Mr Irrelevant title they should scrap that BS. I know it’s not meant to be insulting but it is[/quote]

yeah I agree, they could come up with a better name than that. It was meant to be funny years ago but its played out.. I'm not usually the "its not fair" type but its overdue.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194034][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/01/trey-quinn-im-the-most-relevant-mr-irrelevant-ever/]Trey Quinn: I’m the most relevant Mr. Irrelevant ever – ProFootballTalk[/url]

I like this dude[/quote]

He certainly has a lot of production. It will be interesting to see how it plays out w/ Crowder getting close to being up on his rookie deal.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1194058]He certainly has a lot of production. It will be interesting to see how it plays out w/ Crowder getting close to being up on his rookie deal.[/quote]

Crowder was a major disappointment last year imo...this could be the Crowder replacement. Right now Crowder hasn't earned an extension.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194059]Crowder was a major disappointment last year imo...this could be the Crowder replacement. Right now Crowder hasn't earned an extension.[/quote]

I agree , esp if he can't hold on to the damn ball

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Quinn is a one handed catch away from being the Warpath Man-Crush of preseason!

I'm crushing on Stroman right now, I get a raging boner every time I think about him returning punts and not running out of bounds right away. :cheers

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[quote=jamf;1194061]Quinn is a one handed catch away from being the Warpath Man-Crush of preseason!

I'm crushing on Stroman right now, I get a raging boner every time I think about him returning punts and not running out of bounds right away. :cheers[/quote]

Stroman and Quinn....7 rounders who will change the face of the Redskins football.

I like it.

Watching crowder field punts was the most anxious portion of last season. The guy was a fumbling machine

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194059]Crowder was a major disappointment last year imo...this could be the Crowder replacement. Right now Crowder hasn't earned an extension.[/QUOTE]It was really odd to see how it turned out for Crowder he played well in first 2 years and then went downhill last year. I hope last season was just a bad year for him

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[quote=GridIron26;1194066]It was really odd to see how it turned out for Crowder he played well in first 2 years and then went downhill last year. I hope last season was just a bad year for him[/quote]

No DJAX, PG OR REED that is y

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194067]No DJAX, PG OR REED that is y[/quote]

moreso, no outside threats. I know thats what you mean, but Doctson and Pryor just didn't cut it. I do think that was a bit of the final drama of Cousins contract. Richardson is two steps above Pryor, and this is definitely Doctson's final year to prove himself.

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Good point Skins

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[quote=MTK;1194037]Speaking of the Mr Irrelevant title they should scrap that BS. I know it’s not meant to be insulting but it is[/quote]

But but you get to go to Disneyland.

No one actually remembers who that pick is the next season tho. Unless you ball, then every announcer, every game, for your whole career mentions it.

The goal is to be the guy that sticks in the NFL as player number 41. Keep getting that higher veteran minimum lol.

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It meant more before 1992 when the NFL draft had 12 rounds.
Now it does not.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1194075]moreso, no outside threats. I know thats what you mean, but Doctson and Pryor just didn't cut it. I do think that was a bit of the final drama of Cousins contract. Richardson is two steps above Pryor, and this is definitely Doctson's final year to prove himself.[/quote]

I was all in on the TP train, good lord that was a cluster $$$$

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcJtW11XkAAeM7R.jpg:large[/IMG]

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Wow those are nice data, along with his stats. I wonder how he compares against Sutton, his teammate.

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[quote=GridIron26;1194129]Wow those are nice data, along with his stats. I wonder how he compares against Sutton, his teammate.[/quote]

[IMG]https://media.profootballfocus.com/2017/07/SUTTON-768x432.png[/IMG]

He was among the best down field, so I can see why Quinn was able to own the underneath so well.

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Yeah that makes sense, and it works out perfectly for Redskins since we have Richardson and Doctson who can go deep. It will be interesting to see how Quinn competes against Crowder this summer!

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[quote=GridIron26;1194129]Wow those are nice data, along with his stats. I wonder how he compares against Sutton, his teammate.[/quote]

REC YDS AVG TD

Courtland Sutton 69 1087 15.8 13

Trey Quinn 114 1246 10.7 13

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1194141]REC YDS AVG TD

Courtland Sutton 69 1087 15.8 13

Trey Quinn 114 1246 10.7 13[/quote]

I meant for passer rating when targeted.. The stats you just showed pretty much confirms that Sutton often is used as a receiver who goes deep often.

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PFF comments on Trey Quinn: "Ranked third in the country in targets and first in receptions. His 91.1 overall grade ranks second behind Gallup, and his 1.89 percent drop rate is the best in FBS."

Not bad for a 7th round pick.