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[quote=JoeRedskin;1194881]So, youtube had a couple videos of all of Doctson's targets in the Denver and Saints game.

In the Saints' game, he had 4 catches on 7 targets. Of the three non-catches, he got his hands on one but couldn't pull it in, the other two were on Cousins.

In the Denver game he had 2 catches on 13 targets. Of the non-catches, the vast majority (at least 6) were just bad throws by KC. Three were ones he should have caught with one being a very tough but makeable catch.

Nothing in the videos, however, show a "soft" receiver. He ran over the middle without hesitation and consistently contested balls in the air (in one, he almost turned a certain interception in the end zone into a TD). When close, and whether he caught it or not, he would lay out and take the pounding in the attempt. In addition, on several of KC's misses, Doc was open and KC just either underthrew or overthrew him (in one Doc had beaten double coverage deep and KC just threw it behind him, two yards in front and it's a TD).

It was only two games but I didn't see anything in them that would cause me to believe he is lacking the skills or the will needed to be a No. 1 WR in the league.

At this point, I expect a big leap from last year. He had a full year of being healthy after missing all but two games his rookie year. In addition, I am admittedly buying into the company line that KC really didn't take many chances downfield with him (although he did force the ball into a couple double coverages in an attempt to give Doc a chance, I think he was about 50/50 on those).

All this is to say that, if I was to bet on it, I'd bet we see very significant improvement in his numbers this year.[/quote]

I am not as hopeful as you are, but I sure hope you're right! Potential is there.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1194880]Doc is coming into his third year. WR is one of the toughest positions to transition from college to pro. Sure, a handful of WR's are day 1 ready. Most take a couple years to develop.

I am not ready to pass judgment on Doc yet. After this year, if he fails to produce, fine, I will not object when folks say he is soft or not a No. 1. He made some hard catches and did not shy away from contact as far as I could tell. I don't know if KC wasn't comfortable with him or if Doctson really just wasn't doing his job. Let's see if Smith / Richardson make a difference.[/quote]

I heard Cooley go over this a few weeks ago. He was doing it from the point of view of which positions to draft versus which positions to sign in FA.

He was making the categorization based purely on how quickly players at the position transition from college to the NFL.

He lumped WR squarely as a position that takes longer to develop.

Hope springs eternal.

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[quote=MTK;1194877]He could be in for a breakout season[/quote]

It's keeping these guys on the field, I saw Allen saying that is his biggest goal. Kinda scares me that he has that thinking already.

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One thing is clear with Doctson, if we can start the season with P. Rich, Reed and Crowder all healthy ready to go his opportunity will be at its greatest potential since he's been here.

With P Rich's speed and Reed's ability as top 5 pass catching TE...these 2 will demand the most attention from the D coordinator's passing defense. Throw in Crowder a nuisance type receiver who has proven to be a playmaker and match up problem working underneath....he will probably demand some attention especially when it comes to formation match ups.

Doctson will probably be left alone on the 2nd corner without safety help...certainly an opportunity here.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194956]One thing is clear with Doctson, if we can start the season with P. Rich, Reed and Crowder all healthy ready to go his opportunity will be at its greatest potential since he's been here.

With P Rich's speed and Reed's ability as top 5 pass catching TE...these 2 will demand the most attention from the D coordinator's passing defense. Throw in Crowder a nuisance type receiver who has proven to be a playmaker and match up problem working underneath....he will probably demand some attention especially when it comes to formation match ups.

Doctson will probably be left alone on the 2nd corner without safety help...certainly an opportunity here.[/quote]

I mean, throw in Chris Thompson and that just becomes a nightmare scenario for coordinators.

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If Reed can stay relatively healthy for the first part of the season, and of course Thompson, then that will take a lot of pressure off of Doctson. Having Richardson here will also take pressure off of Doctson. Even if we go through the same crap of not having Reed for several games, I think there's still enough weapons, offensively, that can make it easier for Doctson.

Point is, we had better remain a lot healthier than we were last year. I know there are going to be injuries, but losing guys like Thompson AND Reed last year turned out to be backbreaking.

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I mean, I get injuries happen, but it just seemed like last year was out of whack. Other than DB's we lost starters everywhere with the skill positions, OL and DL being the worst hit.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1194995]I mean, I get injuries happen, but it just seemed like last year was out of whack. Other than DB's we lost starters everywhere with the skill positions, OL and DL being the worst hit.[/quote]



Yup and the Giants did too but I still believe it's a combination of many things. Working out year round more wear and tear on the joints and the body in general,and my biggest bitch is the turf.The shoes do a better job of gripping the surface and the players are bigger and stronger and the only thing that gives is the human body. I know people bitch about it and cost ...slipping ,mud and all that but I still think the game needs to be on grass fields.Let the sod give way instead of someones knee or ankle.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1194995]I mean, I get injuries happen, but it just seemed like last year was out of whack. Other than DB's we lost starters everywhere with the skill positions, OL and DL being the worst hit.[/quote]

It was the worst I've ever seen. Last time I felt the 'skins were hit hard with the injury bug like this was in 1990 when they played that "body bag" game.

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Yahoo shouldn't link to sites that are behind a hard paywall like the Wash. Post. They have an article about OTAs but you read half a paragraph and Wash Post wants money.

Did it one year, not paying them again.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195015]Yahoo shouldn't link to sites that are behind a hard paywall like the Wash. Post. They have an article about OTAs but you read half a paragraph and Wash Post wants money.



Did it one year, not paying them again.[/QUOTE]



Go into private mode or incognito depending on your browser and you can usually read it

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Scandrick says "Coming to work here is more laid back, not micro managed like Dallas"

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1194981]If Reed can stay relatively healthy for the first part of the season, and of course Thompson, then that will take a lot of pressure off of Doctson. Having Richardson here will also take pressure off of Doctson. Even if we go through the same crap of not having Reed for several games, I think there's still enough weapons, offensively, that can make it easier for Doctson.



Point is, we had better remain a lot healthier than we were last year. I know there are going to be injuries, but losing guys like Thompson AND Reed last year turned out to be backbreaking.[/QUOTE]



Well Reed will be lucky to make it out of OTA’s. I literally do not even consider him a piece of the puzzle and it’s a damn shame because he could be the best TE in the game.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1195020]Scandrick says "Coming to work here is more laid back, not micro managed like Dallas"[/QUOTE]



I sort of like the idea of micro management and attention to detail when it comes to a football team.

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[quote=punch it in;1195045]Well Reed will be lucky to make it out of OTA’s. I literally do not even consider him a piece of the puzzle and it’s a damn shame because he could be the best TE in the game.[/quote]

I agree, Jordan Reed has averaged 10.4 games per year, it is inevitable he will not play a full season....he is an undersized TE

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1195048]Jordan Reed has averaged 10.4 games per year, it is inevitable he will not play a full season....he is an undersized TE[/QUOTE]



But we basically play him like a WR, its not like we ask him to block or go over the middle really? He could actually be looked at like an oversized WR. He is just made of glass. Maybe this will be the year he lasts? Hopefully? Please God let it be?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195020]Scandrick says "Coming to work here is more laid back, not micro managed like Dallas"[/quote]

Translation, Jason Garrett is a fuck boy

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195052]Translation, Jason Garrett is a fuck boy[/QUOTE]



Remember that when your screaming at your television because one of our guys missed a seemingly easy assignment. Lol. That being said all cowboys players and staff are fuck boys.

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[url=http://www.richmond.com/redskins-xtra/redskins-ota-observations-this-could-be-josh-doctson-s-year/article_ea57e402-6433-11e8-981b-07985d0e0a9f.html]Redskins OTA observations: This could be Josh Doctson's year | Redskins XTRA | richmond.com[/url]

Doctson getting some love.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195056][url=http://www.richmond.com/redskins-xtra/redskins-ota-observations-this-could-be-josh-doctson-s-year/article_ea57e402-6433-11e8-981b-07985d0e0a9f.html]Redskins OTA observations: This could be Josh Doctson's year | Redskins XTRA | richmond.com[/url]

Doctson getting some love.[/quote]

I drank the TP Koolaid last yr, I'll just wait and see on Doc

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[quote=Chico23231;1195056][url=http://www.richmond.com/redskins-xtra/redskins-ota-observations-this-could-be-josh-doctson-s-year/article_ea57e402-6433-11e8-981b-07985d0e0a9f.html]Redskins OTA observations: This could be Josh Doctson's year | Redskins XTRA | richmond.com[/url]

Doctson getting some love.[/quote]

I will give him some love when he starts showing himself as a #1 receiver.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195052]Translation, Jason Garrett is a fuck boy[/quote]

Basically he's been Jerry's bitch for years. When he comes to work the first thing he does is gets Jerry's coffee. It's beyond gross. Garrett's balls are in the palm of Jerry's right hand.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195020]Scandrick says "Coming to work here is more laid back, not micro managed like Dallas"[/quote]

We've known Gruden is not a fiery guy like, say, his brother. So far the results have been sloppy play early on, and collapses at the end of the year. I keep hoping each year he gets a bit better, but this really should be a make or break year for Gruden, injuries be damned.

9-7 with at least 1 playoff win should be the minimum for keeping him in my opinion (right now). I do believe we will go deep in the playoffs, because of AS, some good backup talent across the board, and what I hope will be a stifling defense.

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"Fuck boy"

That cracks me up, such a good one.

And I'm leading the Doctson Kool-Aid Club this season. Big year coming up. Yuuuge!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195076]We've known Gruden is not a fiery guy like, say, his brother. So far the results have been sloppy play early on, and collapses at the end of the year. I keep hoping each year he gets a bit better, but this really should be a make or break year for Gruden, injuries be damned.

9-7 with at least 1 playoff win should be the minimum for keeping him in my opinion (right now). I do believe we will go deep in the playoffs, because of AS, some good backup talent across the board, and what I hope will be a stifling defense.[/quote]

Gruden should be fired if we have the biblical level of injuries like we did last year?

Really?

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1195112]Gruden should be fired if we have the biblical level of injuries like we did last year?

Really?[/QUOTE]Well legitimately if he had the same amount no, and he wouldn't be, but at the same token he had this year to find backups and see how the backups do so there's a part of it that says yes he should be more prepared for that level of injuries

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If Jay Gruden's team doesn't make the playoffs this season he should only be given a two year contract extension or fired. The extension should be offered if he is thought to have done a good job but suffered through extremely difficult circumstances beyond his control. Otherwise, he should be fired.

Why? Because the job is to guide the team into the playoffs and have a chance to win a Super Bowl. In his four years as HC, he's only been in one playoff game and the Skins lost that one. Five years is enough time. After five years, it's time to try to find another HC who can get the job done.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1195127]If Jay Gruden's team doesn't make the playoffs this season he should only be given a two year contract extension or fired. The extension should be offered if he is thought to have done a good job but suffered through extremely difficult circumstances beyond his control. Otherwise, he should be fired.

Why? Because the job is to guide the team into the playoffs and have a chance to win a Super Bowl. In his four years as HC, he's only been in one playoff game and the Skins lost that one. Five years is enough time. After five years, it's time to try to find another HC who can get the job done.[/quote]

I was under the impression he received the 2 year extension last year....

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DenQ_hxWAAEy3xD.jpg:large[/IMG]

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1195129]I was under the impression he received the 2 year extension last year....[/quote]

I don't know but the essential point is that it is time for him to return to the playoffs or leave. I just said the part about an extension in my attempt to appear to be a nice, reasonable man.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195138][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DenQ_hxWAAEy3xD.jpg:large[/IMG][/quote]

These run blocking grades for the right side of our OL do not correlate with team rushing performance. Were our RB's bad last year or what? I already know our TE's didn't block well.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1195141]These run blocking grades for the right side of our OL do not correlate with team rushing performance. Were our RB's bad last year or what? I already know our TE's didn't block well.[/quote]

I think Guice will prove that it was the fact that we didn't have a true RB1

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1195140]I don't know but the essential point is that it is time for him to return to the playoffs or leave. I just said the part about an extension in my attempt to appear to be a nice, reasonable man.[/QUOTE]



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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000935002/article/five-reasons-why-the-redskins-will-make-the-2018-nfl-playoffs?campaign=Twitter_atn]Five reasons why the Redskins will make the 2018 NFL playoffs - NFL.com[/url]

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[URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/26/alabama-product-cam-sims-big-plays-redskins-otas/amp/"]https://www.google.com/amp/s/redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/26/alabama-product-cam-sims-big-plays-redskins-otas/amp/[/URL]

Cam Sims was impressive in OTA's

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[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/02/ryan-anderson-interesting-work-redskins-otas/[/url]

Ryan Anderson is working out with the D line and Tomsula.

What does this mean?

Absolutely nothing, but it's June.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1195157][url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/02/ryan-anderson-interesting-work-redskins-otas/[/url]

Ryan Anderson is working out with the D line and Tomsula.

What does this mean?

Absolutely nothing, but it's June.[/quote]

Our next Trent Murphy?

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It means another 2nd round bust.

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1195160]It means another 2nd round bust.[/QUOTE]Awe c'mon. Not yet. 2nd rounders usually make big jumps on their 2nd year.

Lets wait and see.

The best attribute the guy has is his strength. Maybe he can use it better inside in select situations.

They moved Murphy inside in some sub packages and he was serviceable to above average.

I'm curious at this point how it will go.



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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1195160]It means another 2nd round bust.[/quote]

Yeah...it’s not encouraging imo.