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Preston played really well against the Boys...Im hoping this trends up, we need him.

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[quote=GridIron26;1204046]Did you forget what Trent Murphy got in FA?[/quote]

by their logic, if we didn't keep him it doesn't matter, and if the player wasn't so great that we were willing to pay any price for a second contract for a 2nd or 3rd rounder than the FO missed on that pick.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1204021]Some people never learn. It's not a good trade at all. The guy can't catch and will want a new deal. As Matty mentioned, just draft Ridley or be patient and wait until the 19 draft. Cowboys aren't going anywhere anyway w/ Dak under center.[/quote]

Had some time to roast on this. It is not great, probably still not good either, but not as bad as I thought. I figure this trade is not so much to do with Cooper, but with Prescott.

I did the math after Witten and Bryant departed in the off-season. In the previous 3 years before they left, Bryant and Witten accounted for 40% of the total passing yardage for 3 seasons. 1 with Romo, 2 with Prescott. So the front office took A LOT away from Dak. They realize they may have taken too much away.

Prescott is a 4th rounder from the 2016 draft and under the standard 4 year rookie deal. But as a 4th rounder, there is no 5th year option. In other words, he is a Free Agent in 2020. So this season is 'his' year. If he is going to get that 'Franchise QB contract' with Dallas, it will be in the off-season. Or he does not get one. Plays 2019-2020 under the last year of his rookie deal and is a UFA in 2020.

For 2018 and 2019, Cooper is set to make $700,000 for 2018 and $13.9 million in the 2019 season. Dallas inherits that deal with the trade.

So Dallas is really paying half of that $700,000 for the remainder of 2018 season to see if Dak is the guy. It is a $350,000 investment to see if you are going to gamble on Prescott as your franchise QB after this year with a $50 PLUS million dollar contract extension.

Either way, Cooper will get a contract extension in the off season. That will erase the $13.9 owed in 2019 from his previous contract and spread that extension over 5 years. So Dallas is really only in the hole $350,000 this year because half of the season he spent in Oakland.

Not worried as much now. Except if Dak ain't it (which I am convinced he is NOT), we do not have a 1st rounder in 2019 to draft a QB.

A little perspective on Coopers age. Amari Cooper is 24. This December, Calvin Ridley (the guy I wanted in the 1st round this year) Calvin Ridley turns 24. So if Dallas signs Cooper to a 5 year extension, that takes him to age 30....not bad.

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The whole problem I see with Amari Cooper, the steady trend down. Cooper is gonna want 50 mill guaranteed in an extension. Forget Dak, are you OK giving that extension to Cooper? Start there

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I do think this trade will benefit Dak. In giving him options and opening up the secondary more. Of course he has to prove he can make more accurate passes for this to pay off.

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That sounds promising, but what happens if he does not sign an extension or renegotiated. 13.9 is a lot of money, especially when Dak is going to cost you 25 - 30 a year.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1204061]That sounds promising, but what happens if he does not sign an extension or renegotiated. 13.9 is a lot of money, especially when Dak is going to cost you 25 - 30 a year.[/quote]

Release him. The contract he signed in Oakland is fully guaranteed in the last year, but only if he remains in Oakland.

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[quote=Chico23231;1204059]The whole problem I see with Amari Cooper, the steady trend down. Cooper is gonna want 50 mill guaranteed in an extension. Forget Dak, are you OK giving that extension to Cooper? Start there[/quote]

4 years in and 2 Pro Bowls and 2-1000 plus yard seasons.

I am of the opinion his down trend started when Crabtree left.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204053]by their logic, if we didn't keep him it doesn't matter, and if the player wasn't so great that we were willing to pay any price for a second contract for a 2nd or 3rd rounder than the FO missed on that pick.[/quote]

I am not going back to go through a pick by pick analysis of every draft after the disaster that was 2012. With that said, however, the team seems to me to be creating a solid base of young players and, when the time for 2nd contracts come around, picking and choosing their players. We let Long, Breeland, and Murphy walk, but kept Moses and extended Dunbar. We have also been proactive in keeping certain players - the aforementioned Dunbar, C. Thomas, and Reed were all extended at reasonable costs.

[A note about Anderson for the haters, in limited snaps against Dallas, he had a sack, solo tackle, and 2 QB hits. While not a world-beater, he does seem to be trending up.]

Our drafts since 2013 have landed us several quality players beyond the first three rounds (Ioaniddas, Nicholson, Roullier, Crowder).

True, in some cases, hindsight has demonstrated that better players were available at each of our selections. However, in many cases, I suspect the reverse was just as true.

Since 2013, we have drafted solidly if not spectacularly. Just an opinion, feel free to disprove me through a pick by pick analysis that isn't JUST based on hindsight.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204028]I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick or cooper isnt worth next years number one or that dak isnt a franchise. Or that every team hits and misses on picks.

You dismiss quality starters on this current team and pine for that one or two special players that 31 other gms passed atleast once on. Our FO has a solid foundation on this team and effectively moves around during the draft to gain more picks and players they want. Our defensive depth is particularly good, consider we let 2 quality corners go one in a trade and one to avoid the big payday he wanted and we plugged young rookie talent in with little or no dropoff.

You may not like the players but out of those two lists and excluding ones from before BA FO they are all starter quality players other then one headcase and one running back[/quote]

If you want to go that route then Brandon Scherff isn't worth a 5th overall since he is a Guard. Elliot has produced big time for Dallas(Thankfully not on sunday!) and production not hype is all that matters in the end and for the record, i'm glad we have Scherff.

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[quote=MTK;1204029]Preston Smith wouldn’t start elsewhere?? Is this for real?[/quote]

Smith has zero sacks so far. 1/3 of the season is done.

Sunday is the day to turn it around for Preston.
Solder has been really bad. He "should" dominate that bum.

I'm hopefully because we need him but i'm tired of waiting for players to develop and talking about talent when they don't produce.

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Giants trade Eli Apple to Saints.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1204084]Smith has zero sacks so far. 1/3 of the season is done.



Sunday is the day to turn it around for Preston.

Solder has been really bad. He "should" dominate that bum.



I'm hopefully because we need him but i'm tired of waiting for players to develop and talking about talent when they don't produce.[/QUOTE]


He was a beast against Dallas, if you’re only looking at stats you’re not seeing the whole picture

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Eli apple traded to saints

Per schefty

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I wanted Cooper but I'm glad Dallas beat us to it and didnt let our front office be stupid enough to give up a 1.
I wish the Cowboys would have inquired about Doctson:D

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[quote=htownskinfan;1204088]I wanted Cooper but I'm glad Dallas beat us to it and didnt let our front office be stupid enough to give up a 1.
I wish the Cowboys would have inquired about Doctson:D[/quote]

Jerry is dumb. But he is not THAT dumb.

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[quote=Chico23231;1204087]Eli apple traded to saints

Per schefty[/quote]

Giants get;

2019 4th round pick

2020 7th round pick

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1204028]I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick [/quote]

Comparing the first 2 full seasons of each player.....Zeke and AD.
Numbers are pretty close. Peterson played 30 games in his first 2 years. Zeke 25 games due to suspension.

In 30 games AD has 3100 yds. Zeke has 2614 in 25 games.
Total TDs over 2 years. AD = 23 Zeke = 25 (in 5 fewer games)

Saying Elliot was not worthy of the #4 pick, is like saying AD was not worthy of his #7.

So Jalen Ramsey was sitting there for Dallas at #4, do you think he is more worthy of that #4?

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[quote=jamf;1204083]If you want to go that route then Brandon Scherff isn't worth a 5th overall since he is a Guard. Elliot has produced big time for Dallas(Thankfully not on sunday!) and production not hype is all that matters in the end and for the record, i'm glad we have Scherff.[/quote]

Scherff is a perennial All Pro, who will be a staple on the Skins for 10+years barring a bad turn. Elliot missed how many games last year, and as a RB will likely not be on the Cowboys by year 8. (Maybe not even 2nd contract given they got rid of DeMarco Murray when his came due)

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[quote=Irrefutable;1204092]Giants get;

2019 4th round pick

2020 7th round pick[/quote]

wow...

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[quote=Irrefutable;1204092]Giants get;

2019 4th round pick

2020 7th round pick[/quote]

Apple and Flowers...2016 and 2015 First round draft picks gone. wow.

I think Apple is worth a 4th...change a scenery was needed for him.

But the Giants signal full rebuild mode now.

They should look at moving the Eli, could get Jacksonville to bight with Bortles being trash. With Eli and Bortles, you may be able to see that dumpster fire from space.

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Giants might as well see what they can get for Collins, I bet a 2nd at least.

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[quote=jamf;1204084]Smith has zero sacks so far. 1/3 of the season is done.

Sunday is the day to turn it around for Preston.
Solder has been really bad. He "should" dominate that bum.

I'm hopefully because we need him but i'm tired of waiting for players to develop and talking about talent when they don't produce.[/quote]

Stats don't tell the entire story. Especially if Sacks is the only stat you're looking at.

You saw his Touchdown on Sunday didn't you? Cause i'll take a defensive TD over sacks all day.

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So I heard on the Redskins Talk Podcast that Dunbar's shin injury appears to be due to a nerve issue. I know this is super crazy, but if Dunbar's injury is serious, do we go after Patrick Peterson?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1204106]So I heard on the Redskins Talk Podcast that Dunbar's shin injury appears to be due to a nerve issue. I know this is super crazy, but if Dunbar's injury is serious, do we go after Patrick Peterson?[/quote]

That would make us the best defense in football so I would not hate that.

[YT][url]https://youtu.be/0bRWTZ0wRUg[/url][/YT]

Also watch this play by DJ

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1204107]That would make us the best defense in football so I would not hate that.

[/quote]

I just don't know if I want to go out there with Moreau, Stroman, Johnson, and Alexander as the CBs behind Norman.

It's just concerning whenever players have any nerve-related injuries.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1204108]I just don't know if I want to go out there with Moreau, Stroman, Johnson, and Alexander as the CBs behind Norman.

It's just concerning whenever players have any nerve-related injuries.[/quote]

They are all young that is for sure. I wouldn't mind PP but it will cost a 1

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Dunbar is day to day after seeing doctor. A Norman for Peterson would be my preference, maybe throw a mid-rounder.

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Apple has been a headcase for some time. I wish him the best but I do not see it working out for him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1204110]Dunbar is day to day after seeing doctor. A Norman for Peterson would be my preference, maybe throw a mid-rounder.[/quote]

Cards wont take that deal, JNO is on the downslide.

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I am generally against trading one's, but I would for Peterson.

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Giants trade Snacks Harrison to the Lions

get a 5th round pick

[B]Did not read the other thread[/B]

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[quote=Chico23231;1204097]Apple and Flowers...2016 and 2015 First round draft picks gone. wow.

I think Apple is worth a 4th...change a scenery was needed for him.

But the Giants signal full rebuild mode now.

They should look at moving the Eli, could get Jacksonville to bight with Bortles being trash. With Eli and Bortles, you may be able to see that dumpster fire from space.[/quote]

But isn't Eli is trash too? lol. I think the Jags just have to wait it out until next year and get a free agent.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1204177]Giants trade Snacks Harrison to the Lions

get a 5th round pick

[B]Did not read the other thread[/B][/quote]

Damn, Gmen are in full tanking mode.

It still baffles me how they basically went full Vinny by acquiring all of these free agents for big money a few seasons ago. Knowing full well how terrible things went for us when we did this.

Here is the link on the trade: [url]http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25068826/giants-trade-dt-damon-harrison-lions-5th-round-pick[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1204119]I am generally against trading one's, but I would for Peterson.[/quote]

I would too, we are going to have a later pick in the 1st anyway, and PP is a top 5 CB. Norman will be gone sooner or later so we need a replacement. Dunbar is getting better too

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I would love to see Peterson here...would make our defense that much better and it looks like we will definitely be relying our defense more than our offense to carry us...I hate giving picks but would give a first round pick for this guy..he's a beast

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[quote=Ruhskins;1204183]Damn, Gmen are in full tanking mode.

It still baffles me how they basically went full Vinny by acquiring all of these free agents for big money a few seasons ago. Knowing full well how terrible things went for us when we did this.

Here is the link on the trade: [url]http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25068826/giants-trade-dt-damon-harrison-lions-5th-round-pick[/url][/quote]

that was Jerry Reese, as for Eli Manning he isn't going anywhere he has a no trade clause in his contract. Apple I understand and maybe Jenkins but trading SNACKs is just stupid .They're working on CAP space and tanking the year ,good game on Sunday!

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[quote=Giantone;1204190]that was Jerry Reese, as for Eli Manning he isn't going anywhere he has a no trade clause in his contract. Apple I understand and maybe Jenkins but trading SNACKs is just stupid .They're working on CAP space and tanking the year ,good game on Sunday![/quote]

Is Collins next??

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1204191]Is Collins next??[/quote]

I LOVE the way Collins plays. What would you trade to get him?

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[quote=Giantone;1204190]They're working on CAP space and tanking the year ,good game on Sunday![/quote]

I'm glad there isn't a Franchise QB available in the next draft class.
We get to see the Giants tank for at least 2 seasons!