Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

Also Alex's contract had a guaranteed 44M over the next 3 years even if an Injury happened.

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1208400]Unless the teams falls off the cliff and loses out, Colt lights it up like Nick Foles, or he decides to retire, [B]the team is going with Alex next year. [/B] That doesn't mean that the team cannot draft a young QB to groom behind Alex.

I know people want to write Alex off, but name me another FA QB that has worked out this year? Ironically, Kirk Cousins has gone to a much more talented team, and still has roughly the same record that we have (technically ours is better). Casey Keenum hasn't lit it up in Denver either.

And are people willing to write Alex off after just 10 games? Shit, how many years did we wait for Cousins to make this a winning team? If the team gave Kirk two years are 40+ mil, I'm willing to give Alex more than 10 games.

I'm not justifying or defending Alex's bad performances this year, but what other option do we have?[/quote]

How do you know? Colt may play well enough to keep the job going into camp. Then you add in a young guy, that leaves Smith in limbo really. His salary dictates that he'll be on the team, but the chances of him being the starter are slim if you ask me.

Also Cousins had never been a full time starter and was much younger. Smith has had several years being a starter and we already know who he is as a player. So the options are Colt, or a rookie who has more of a ceiling than Colt and Smith.

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1208388]I'd take Carr, he's better than he looks this yr. I don't see them trading him though[/quote]

Bringing in a guy like Carr or even Flacco won't happen w/ Smith's contract. It really leaves the team handcuffed and stuck w/ him. Maybe some of the cap guys can explain it but you can't bring in another vet like the ones I mentioned. That is why a rookie makes way more sense. And even if Colt totally balls out he would I assume want starter money going into next year. So many possibilities that are up in the air.

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

Colt would have to play really well down the stretch here to take the job, I also think Smith would need to have some sort of setback to not enter the season as the starter.

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I like Tyree Jackson out of Buffalo University....he's 6'7 245....has a very strong arm and very athletic....he will probably have to sit a year and learn the pro game...has a very good highlight reel...on the nfl level he will have to learn to scan the field better....has a habit of looking one way before delivering a pass....which will make it easy for NFL CBs to read his eyes and intercept his passes....but he's overall a quality prospect.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208374]Yes even if we make the playoffs i don't want CM as QB1 going into next season.[/quote]

Why are so many NFL fans expecting QB's to play lights out or you want them cut? There aren't 32 "lights-out" QB's available. That's just the reality of football. We have a strong defense that could carry a team, a potentially strong 2019 running game, and some talent at WR. You don't have to have an elite QB to go far. I love watching Brady and Rodgers etc. but I'd rather improve the team and have a Colt McCoy just doing his job than be where Green Bay is with an elite QB but no team around him. This isn't a panic time yet. I have no worries with Colt at QB as long as we have a long term plan in place like bringing in or drafting a new QB of the future. To be honest, this is exactly where I wanted to be at the start of '17. Should've traded Cousins for a #1 and let Colt play last year and draft a QB for '18.

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

Possible 2019 QB draft picks;...... nothing special

thedraftnetwork.com/2018/06/28/2019-nfl-draft-prospect-database/2

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1208397]^And don't forget toss dirt on buttfumble either...im sure he can still shit the bed with the rest of them.


Folks, we need a young QB on the roster now. Its not good.[/QUOTE]I am in favor of the Parcells model.

Experienced journeyman, double down on the supporting cast, defense and O Line. And keep taking shots with picks.

Drafting qb's is an absolute crap shoot.

Keep throwing darts at the dart board but don't bet the farm unless it's an Andrew Luck type.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1208413]I like Tyree Jackson out of Buffalo University....he's 6'7 245....has a very strong arm and very athletic....he will probably have to sit a year and learn the pro game...has a very good highlight reel...on the nfl level he will have to learn to scan the field better....has a habit of looking one way before delivering a pass....which will make it easy for NFL CBs to read his eyes and intercept his passes....but he's overall a quality prospect.[/QUOTE]No chance. He's such a bad passer. I grade his games weekly, yeah he's big but dude has no touch at all and makes bad decisions.

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Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

Keep it in the family Brett Rypien, Mark's nephew.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208433]No chance. He's such a bad passer. I grade his games weekly, yeah he's big but dude has no touch at all and makes bad decisions.

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Tyree Jackson is Logan Thomas 2.0

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208433]No chance. He's such a bad passer. I grade his games weekly, yeah he's big but dude has no touch at all and makes bad decisions.

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As of now(2018) he has a 24 to 10 TD to INT ratio....he's not Andrew Luck but the kid can play...all he needs is coaching.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1208457]As of now(2018) he has a 24 to 10 TD to INT ratio....he's not Andrew Luck but the kid can play...all he needs is coaching.[/quote]

He also has a top 5 WR in the country on his side, and he plays in a very weak conference.

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Isn’t there some weird thing where no QB 6’6” or taller has ever had any success in the NFL?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208351]The chances of CM leading this team to a playoff win are very low, even getting to the playoffs are tough. Colt McCoy is a career backup for a reason folks, the team would not have traded for AS if they really believed in him. So yes they need to address QB first thing BUT this is a down year for QB's in the draft.[/quote]

Career back ups can thrive for a while on occasion for brief periods due to the lack of recent film running the offense they are in. There have been quite a few guys get 2-3 straight decent games and then start fading because their deficiencies get exposed. Let us hope Colt's familiarity with the offense and the NFL's recent unfamiliarity with him can get the Redskins a home play-off game with a division win.

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[quote=MTK;1208472]Isn’t there some weird thing where no QB 6’6” or taller has ever had any success in the NFL?[/quote]

Has there been that many? Dan McGwire is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1208433]No chance. He's such a bad passer. I grade his games weekly, yeah he's big but dude has no touch at all and makes bad decisions.

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He's a late round pick in my opinion. He's a physical freak. There is no doubt about that. However, as you pointed out, he needs a lot of work. I do believe can be good with some good coaching.

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Ive heard from beat Redskins reporters....6-8 month is absolutely best case scenario...8-12 most likely.

People need to remember their is a psychological aspect to the injury...so physically he may be able to perform.

The team absolutely needs to bring in young QB this draft. And this is a job audition for McCoy going forward.

Flacco, Tannahill, Tyrod Taylor....let the evaluation begin for a possible add.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1208475]Has there been that many? Dan McGwire is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]


Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiller just in recent memory, both are 6’7”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208433]No chance. He's such a bad passer. I grade his games weekly, yeah he's big but dude has no touch at all and makes bad decisions.

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Jackson is a 7th round or UFA project.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1208432][B]I am in favor of the Parcells model.

Experienced journeyman, double down on the supporting cast, defense and O Line. And keep taking shots with picks. [/B]

Drafting qb's is an absolute crap shoot.

Keep throwing darts at the dart board but don't bet the farm unless it's an Andrew Luck type.

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It's a totally different era. The NFL is now a QB league. Many of the great teams of those days would never be able to keep all of their players. No way could the Giants keep Carson, Taylor, Banks, Pepper Johnson.

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If we sign Flacco, I'll cry.

I don't want any retread. Draft a guy in the top few rounds and hope Colt/Alex can get you thru 2019 and playing rookie isn't necessary. At least 1st part of the season.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1208507]It's a totally different era. The NFL is now a QB league. Many of the great teams of those days would never be able to keep all of their players. No way could the Giants keep Carson, Taylor, Banks, Pepper Johnson.[/QUOTE]I agree it's a different league but that method isn't that far in the past.

Jacksonville made it to the AFC championship with Blake Bortles, a great RB, and defense.

I agree with you though, there are two types of teams. Teams with good qb's and teams looking for a qb.

There are two main competing schools of thought, mortgage the farm for a guy (RG3) or stay medium while searching and building.

I'm for the latter just because drafting Qb's is such a crap shoot.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208470]He also has a top 5 WR in the country on his side, and he plays in a very weak conference.[/quote]

Hmm....Antonio Brown(Central Michigan) and Khalil Mack(Buffalo University) also came from that conference....I don't think we can determine how good or how poor a player will be in the NFL based on what school he played for....there are players who played for division 2 programs playing in the NFL...

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1208596]Hmm....Antonio Brown(Central Michigan) and Khalil Mack(Buffalo University) also came from that conference....I don't think we can determine how good or how poor a player will be in the NFL based on what school he played for....there are players who played for division 2 programs playing in the NFL...[/quote]

Film never lies, Tyree may turn out to be a solid QB but right now he's not. Maybe a 6th round guy but nothing higher

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[quote=MTK;1208472]Isn’t there some weird thing where no QB 6’6” or taller has ever had any success in the NFL?[/quote]

There was Brock Osweiler in Denver....he is 6'8 and played outstanding for the Broncos...but he signed that free agent contract with the Houston Texans and the success he had in Denver didn't translate well in Houston...probably because of he wasn't suited for the offensive system in Houston.....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208597]Film never lies, Tyree may turn out to be a solid QB but right now he's not. Maybe a 6th round guy but nothing higher[/quote]

I don't see him being a day one pick....but I don't see him being a day three pick either...I see him being taken somewhere in the 4th round...he's only a junior but let's see if Jackson returns for his senior year...he probably won't.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1208600]There was Brock Osweiler in Denver....he is 6'8 and played outstanding for the Broncos.[/quote]


:laughing- :laughing2


Were on earth do you get this notion that Brock played outstanding in Denver? I suggest you look at his film and the stats. I still have no idea how he managed to trick the Texans into signing that contract. I know the Texans were desperate for a QB at the time to pair with that defense, but it was far from obvious that he was not the answer.

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^^ I just assumed he was trolling with that "Brock Osweiler was great in Denver" line. If not, ...

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I wasn’t even going to bother

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Colt just had a bad game with 3 Int. He may win us a few games but he's not the answer except as a career backup.

AS will have to come back, if able, but his cap hit is so huge it means we can't attract a veteran QB of caliber, even if there was one available. Alex was not doing very well before the injury and he'll be 35 next year after major leg surgery. He's not the answer either.

We need to draft for the future QB of this franchise. We need to bite the bullet and draft for a QB that can take us to the top. We may need to trade down to get the best QB of the draft.

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[quote=Warthog;1209299]Colt just had a bad game with 3 Int. He may win us a few games but he's not the answer except as a career backup.

AS will have to come back, if able, but his cap hit is so huge it means we can't attract a veteran QB of caliber, even if there was one available. Alex was not doing very well before the injury and he'll be 35 next year after major leg surgery. He's not the answer either.

We need to draft for the future QB of this franchise. We need to bite the bullet and draft for a QB that can take us to the top. We may need to trade down to get the best QB of the draft.[/quote]

Who is worth trading down for in the 2019 draft?....there might be a few in 2020, however it is very expensive to trade down

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We need help at every position besides DL. I'd move on from Norman, Brown, and Foster. Dix hasn't done enough yet to earn a big contract. I'd think about moving on from Reed and/or Davis too. Probably need to keep 1 of them.

Right now, I'd try to re-sign Preston. Anderson is playing better too. If Smith is too expensive, that's another position we'll need to fill.

Needs:

CB x 2
S
ILB × 2
OLB (unless Smith is resigned)
WR x 2
G and/or C x 2
TE
QB

This would also include FA.

Fire Bruce Allen. Probably time to move on from Gruden too, especially if there is a plan to draft QB.

Good luck front office.

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fire bruce allen is top move this org should make this offseason. he needs to go immediately

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I would suggest taking a good hard look at the secondary....either release or trade Norman...trade Moreau....draft CB Byron Murphy out of Washington....we need a WR too....Mason Foster is in the final year of his contract.....draft ILB Khalil Hodge from Buffalo to replace him....I'm high on the entire D line, Quentin Dunbar, Swearinger, and Zack Brown...Clinton-Dix won't probably be re-signed either...I cut him some slack since he's still learning a new defense....but he's still not doing enough....players who can bite the bullet include Josh Norman, Fabian Moreau, Montae Nicholson, and Preston Smith....

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1208515]I agree it's a different league but that method isn't that far in the past.

Jacksonville made it to the AFC championship with Blake Bortles, a great RB, and defense.

I agree with you though, there are two types of teams. Teams with good qb's and teams looking for a qb.

There are two main competing schools of thought, mortgage the farm for a guy (RG3) or stay medium while searching and building.

I'm for the latter just because drafting Qb's is such a crap shoot.

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True but look at them now? In order to have sustained success you have to have a stud under center. This is why we have to draft a QB in 2019, and if we miss then draft another one in 2020. We have no chance right now because we have Alex and Colt.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1209337]We need help at every position besides DL. I'd move on from Norman, Brown, and Foster. Dix hasn't done enough yet to earn a big contract. I'd think about moving on from Reed and/or Davis too. Probably need to keep 1 of them.

Right now, I'd try to re-sign Preston. Anderson is playing better too. If Smith is too expensive, that's another position we'll need to fill.

Needs:

CB x 2
S
ILB × 2
OLB (unless Smith is resigned)
WR x 2
G and/or C x 2
TE
QB

This would also include FA.

Fire Bruce Allen. Probably time to move on from Gruden too, especially if there is a plan to draft QB.

Good luck front office.[/quote]

So basically what you're saying is replace most of the team?? lol. It's pretty simple for me, if we have better QB play we have a chance to win the game, despite all the bad shit that happened we could have won if we have a better QB. That can erase a whole lot of bad. I love Colt be he isn't a 16 game starter.

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I wouldn't cut Norman, but would look to lessen his cap and overall salary...I think he would be willing because he wont make premium money on the market.

I'd do the same with Reed, I think he would be willing as well.

We need to get a young QB on the roster, but I don't think we are pressed to spend a 1st round on one unless we really like the guy. I think we should continue to build the running game with Guard, a second TE to replace Davis who provides better blocking. Id give Peterson a chance to re-up on a one year deal and pair him with Guice. Id keep CT and Bibbs...cut Perine and Kelly.

But Im firing Bruce Allen for sure...unless this is done, I have zero belief in this franchise.

I don't know if Im getting rid of Jay, but Im firing the O Coordinator and bring in a vet OC to run the offense. There should be some decent ones available.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1209344]So basically what you're saying is replace most of the team?? lol. It's pretty simple for me, if we have better QB play we have a chance to win the game, despite all the bad shit that happened we could have won if we have a better QB. That can erase a whole lot of bad. I love Colt be he isn't a 16 game starter.[/quote]

Yep, lol. That's 11 or 12 guys. Between the draft and FA its doable and imo needed. I want a young defense led my nasty DL.

Forgot to include, I'd extend Swearinger. Him and Allen would be good defensive leaders.

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[quote=Chico23231;1209346]I wouldn't cut Norman, but would look to lessen his cap and overall salary...I think he would be willing because he wont make premium money on the market.

I'd do the same with Reed, I think he would be willing as well.

We need to get a young QB on the roster, but I don't think we are pressed to spend a 1st round on one unless we really like the guy. I think we should continue to build the running game with Guard, a second TE to replace Davis who provides better blocking. Id give Peterson a chance to re-up on a one year deal and pair him with Guice. Id keep CT and Bibbs...cut Perine and Kelly.

But Im firing Bruce Allen for sure...unless this is done, I have zero belief in this franchise.

I don't know if Im getting rid of Jay, but Im firing the O Coordinator and bring in a vet OC to run the offense. There should be some decent ones available.[/quote]

I hope we spend 1st pick on a WR1 or CB1. Even a beast ILB. Get a QB in round 2.