Re: Should Gruden be fired ?
 

Playcalling has been crap since McVay left.

Haslett, Barry, Manusky. The guy can't pick a d-coordinator for shit.

I'm sure there's another reason I could find.

Fire Gruden, but moreso fire Allen with him.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1211506]Playcalling has been crap since McVay left.



Haslett, Barry, Manusky. The guy can't pick a d-coordinator for shit.



I'm sure there's another reason I could find.



Fire Gruden, but moreso fire Allen with him.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. The guy who picked Gruden, mishandled Cousins, and has mastered most of these bad personnel moves is Allen. He should go before anyone else


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After five years, he is a 500 coach. No more, no less. Could he be better with a better front office? Yes, but we will never know. This should be his last year with the skins. We should thank him for the best five year run since Turner.

The bigger issue is Allen.

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1211510]After five years, he is a 500 coach. No more, no less. Could he be better with a better front office? Yes, but we will never know. This should be his last year with the skins. We should thank him for the best five year run since Turner.



The bigger issue is Allen.[/QUOTE]



The look on Allen’s face every time the camera caught him last night said it all. The look of cluelessness. Defeat, and knowing HE created what’s on the field. His days should be numbered, and I hope he thinks that


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[quote=mooby;1211506]Playcalling has been crap since McVay left.

Haslett, Barry, Manusky. The guy can't pick a d-coordinator for shit.

I'm sure there's another reason I could find.

Fire Gruden, but moreso fire Allen with him.[/quote]

I can't help to think if Snyder still had McVay last year, he may had been willing to cut Gruden loose and keep McVay. Who knows, maybe Cousins would've stayed. Probably a long shot on that, but I think since McVay went to LA, there was no option for Snyder and he probably had no choice but to keep Gruden one more year.

I will be totally shocked if Gruden is the coach in 2019, unless Allen stays and unless the 'skins somehow make it into the playoffs with butt fumble.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1211516]I can't help to think if Snyder still had McVay last year, he may had been willing to cut Gruden loose and keep McVay. Who knows, maybe Cousins would've stayed. Probably a long shot on that, but I think since McVay went to LA, there was no option for Snyder and he probably had no choice but to keep Gruden one more year.



I will be totally shocked if Gruden is the coach in 2019, unless Allen stays and unless the 'skins somehow make it into the playoffs with butt fumble.[/QUOTE]



Imagine what Snyder is thinking watching McVay in LA, and how well Cousins is doing in Minnesota. He has to be looking at Allen and Gruden and realizing he got stuck with garbage


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I would be a terrible owner because I never know when it's time to cut a guy loose.

We're .500 after being decimated by injuries. I doubt the rest of the NFL thought we'd finish above .500. Sure, we were 5-2 but it's not the end of the world.

I don't think I'd fire Gruden. His team fights hard.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1211518]Imagine what Snyder is thinking watching McVay in LA, and how well Cousins is doing in Minnesota. He has to be looking at Allen and Gruden and realizing he got stuck with garbage


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IDK Allen was his choice. Cousins was not his favorite. Plus it is not like he could keep McVay. Anything he was "stuck" with was his choice.

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Snyder is happy KC is gone. He hasn’t done crap in Minnesota.

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1211513]The look on Allen’s face every time the camera caught him last night said it all. The look of cluelessness. Defeat, and knowing HE created what’s on the field. His days should be numbered, and I hope he thinks that


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At one point he was trying to hide behind the window frame. Lol. Dude was only ever given a chance because of his last name, he must be an A+ employee as far as work ethic goes, but he has no business being involved with anything football.

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[QUOTE=los panda;1211524]I would be a terrible owner because I never know when it's time to cut a guy loose.



We're .500 after being decimated by injuries. I doubt the rest of the NFL thought we'd finish above .500. Sure, we were 5-2 but it's not the end of the world.



I don't think I'd fire Gruden. His team fights hard.[/QUOTE]



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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1211518]Imagine what Snyder is thinking watching McVay in LA, and how well Cousins is doing in Minnesota. He has to be looking at Allen and Gruden and realizing he got stuck with garbage


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Cousins isn't playing up to his contract so far

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1211529]Snyder is happy KC is gone. He hasn’t done crap in Minnesota.[/quote]

Idk about doing crap, He has good numbers but Kirk like usual can't win the big games.

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Yes, if Gruden is responsible for Josh Johnson signing

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It's not all about the W/L with Jay, I understnd injuries are hard to overcome like we have had. Even when the team was healthy and 5-2 , Jay was not doing jack shit with the play calling and adjustments. He's not a good HC

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[quote=Irrefutable;1211538]Yes, if Gruden is responsible for Josh Johnson signing[/quote]

Who would be better at this time? Maybe someone gets us two more wins and we sit at draft pick 10 or 11, instead of 6 or 8. Butt fumble is a genius signing. We lose the rest, go 6-10, crowds stop showing, Allen gets fired and the world is whole again.

Look at the projected 10 draft list. Most have their QB. This could be our year.

In butt-fumble we trust!

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1211541]Who would be better at this time? Maybe someone gets us two more wins and we sit at draft pick 10 or 11, instead of 6 or 8. Butt fumble is a genius signing. We lose the rest, go 6-10, crowds stop showing, Allen gets fired and the world is whole again.

Look at the projected 10 draft list. Most have their QB. This could be our year.

In butt-fumble we trust![/quote]

Yeah it is obvious the team knows they are losing out and I'm cool with that. I want a top 10 pick

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Can we hire this guy?

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[QUOTE]Ponder this… what Championship teams have are great leadership! Period! It’s not the offensive guru trend, it’s not the safe trend. Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a #LombardiStandard! Period! #losingsucks![/QUOTE]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1211540]It's not all about the W/L with Jay, I understnd injuries are hard to overcome like we have had. Even when the team was healthy and 5-2 , Jay was not doing jack shit with the play calling and adjustments. He's not a good HC[/quote]

The 0-24 stat about 1st drives in the 3rd quarter should be damning. That is with KC, AS, healthy teams, hurt teams. Basically it says that other teams can plan for JG's offense in game, regardless of what talent is put on the team for him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1211548]The 0-24 stat about 1st drives in the 3rd quarter should be damning. That is with KC, AS, healthy teams, hurt teams. Basically it says that other teams can plan for JG's offense in game, regardless of what talent is put on the team for him.[/quote]

Yeah it shows he makes no in game adjustments to schemes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1211537]Idk about doing crap, He has good numbers but Kirk like usual can't win the big games.[/quote]

I would say being 6-5-1 is crap when you have a loaded team that went to the playoffs last year and paid $80+ mil of guaranteed money for a QB that was supposed to put you over the top.

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Gruden should of promoted Jordan Reed as the QB instead of signing Josh Johnson, I bet Reed is better. Sarcastic post.

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David Shaw, Hire this guy.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1211565]I would say being 6-5-1 is crap when you have a loaded team that went to the playoffs last year and paid $80+ mil of guaranteed money for a QB that was supposed to put you over the top.[/quote]

He's not worth what they gave him, we all knew that. But.. He's still a top 12 QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1211576]He's not worth what they gave him, we all knew that. But.. He's still a top 12 QB[/quote]

We're still talking about our ex?
Time to forget about him and focus on the one we are married to for the next 2 years.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1211536]Cousins isn't playing up to his contract so far[/QUOTE]


I heard someone say Cousins, lol.
71% completion , 3500 yards, 23 td’s and 9 picks , with a 100 qbr. Id say Minnesotas run game has been a huge problem - almost last in the league. Yet another year where his offense struggles to run the ball - like it did here- and teams know they are one dimensional yet he puts up insane numbers. Some guys just never get credit lol.

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[quote=jamf;1211577]We're still talking about our ex?
Time to forget about him and focus on the one we are married to for the next 2 years.[/quote]

Alex Smith is why people cheat.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1211575]David Shaw, Hire this guy.[/QUOTE]



SF is probably sending you an edible arrangements as we speak. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1211582]71% completion , 3500 yards, 23 td’s and 9 picks , with a 100 qbr. Id say Minnesotas run game has been a huge problem - almost last in the league. Yet another year where his offense struggles to run the ball - like it did here- and teams know they are one dimensional yet he puts up insane numbers. Some guys just never get credit lol.[/quote]

their offensive Cor has been a problem....but Cousins does have a TO problem and has floundered on the bigger stage

but your right...he's been decent enough to win imo

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1211575]David Shaw, Hire this guy.[/quote]

Now we are talking, been saying that for years.

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[quote=punch it in;1211584]SF is probably sending you an edible arrangements as we speak. Lol[/quote]

Already sent!!

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1211565]I would say being 6-5-1 is crap when you have a loaded team that went to the playoffs last year and paid $80+ mil of guaranteed money for a QB that was supposed to put you over the top.[/QUOTE]



He had a clunker against Buffalo. The other losses were on the defense, and once again he has the worst running backs in the league - ranked 30th actually. So he lost in Foxboro in December, so has every other quarterback that went in there for the last 20 years. Come on man. If they still had whats his name at qb they would be a 2-3 win team this year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1211585]their offensive Cor has been a problem....but Cousins does have a TO problem and has floundered on the bigger stage

but your right...he's been decent enough to win imo[/quote]

I like KC but 6-5-1 for a top tier QB with a good defense? Not worth the 83 million.

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[quote=punch it in;1211582]71% completion , 3500 yards, 23 td’s and 9 picks , with a 100 qbr. Id say Minnesotas run game has been a huge problem - almost last in the league. Yet another year where his offense struggles to run the ball - like it did here- and teams know they are one dimensional yet he puts up insane numbers. Some guys just never get credit lol.[/quote]

Add in his fumbles, and end of game/half stalled drives. It's not just stats, its about his game play, and always has been

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1211592]I like KC but 6-5-1 for a top tier QB with a good defense? Not worth the 83 million.[/quote]

probably not now...but I think next year we will know better.

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[quote=punch it in;1211590]He had a clunker against Buffalo. The other losses were on the defense, and once again he has the worst running backs in the league - ranked 30th actually. So he lost in Foxboro in December, so has every other quarterback that went in there for the last 20 years. Come on man. If they still had whats his name at qb they would be a 2-3 win team this year.[/quote]

He also threw a game ending pick against GB in the first game that the league gifted him a Clay Matthews penalty, and one other similar game ending pick that the refs threw a bogus roughing flag on, I don't remember that game though

Re: Should Gruden be fired ?
 

I don’t think Gruden should be fired for this year. He should be let go for being 500 after five years. He has overcome a lot and deserves credit. Very few other coaches could have done better.

His biggest failure is the defensive coordinator.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1211585]their offensive Cor has been a problem....but Cousins does have a TO problem and has floundered on the bigger stage



but your right...he's been decent enough to win imo[/QUOTE]



Look at his two losses vs rams n saints - id call them big stages. He had one pick against the Saints and was lights out against Rams. Zero run. Zero D. Chicago got to him but they are a damn good D - were than. Foxboro is off limits in December. He has been plagued with porous run games his entire career- that makes it extremely difficult to do what he does in the air but he does it anyway. Never had any semblance of a d in Washington. A guy shouldn’t always have that sort of pressure to win games with no run and no D, so of course he is going to have some turnovers in big spots because the other team always knows what is coming. He has had a lot of game winning drives too even under that duress. If he was ever on a team that was actually well balanced he would be as good as it gets.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1211594]Add in his fumbles, and end of game/half stalled drives. It's not just stats, its about his game play, and always has been[/QUOTE]



Add in no run game, o line, or D for the majority of his career with us. I know it isn’t just about stats.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1211586]Now we are talking, been saying that for years.[/quote]

The only concern is why the hell leave beautiful Cali for DC with clowns running the show?