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I would cut Foster and Brown for the way they are acting towards the team, they might be frustrated but their attitude is what bothers me and probably why the D has fallen apart. I guess we know why Brown was benched on Sunday, attitude.

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[QUOTE=calia;1212908]He has never had 100 yds in a game. His high in any game was 84 which he hit last week in the drubbing we endured (he also hit 81 yards once last year). And no TDs in either of those games. His career game high in receptions is 5 (hit only once).

Virtually every other WR in the league is ahead of him in receiving yards (and a bunch of RBs too, including Ezekiel Elliott, Jalen Richard, Todd Gurley, and Alvin Kamara. He is currently 82nd in the league in receiving yards.

He is not a WR1 or WR2 with his numbers. He's just not.[/QUOTE]I really don't think he is under achieving, I really don't.

He was always what he is now.

I don't think he ever should have been a 1st round pick, or second, or third.

History of leaving school (toughness and dedication) and any inability to separate should have been red flags. He is also not physical against press coverage and easily jammed.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1212914]I really don't think he is under achieving, I really don't.

He was always what he is now.

I don't think he ever should have been a 1st round pick, or second, or third.

History of leaving school (toughness and dedication) and any inability to separate should have been red flags. He is also not physical against press coverage and easily jammed.

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We're not in disagreement. I didn't say he was underachieving, just that he's not a viable WR1 or WR2. Given what pick we used on him, it is also fair to say it's a real disappointment. Overall, our WR situation is appalling, and it has to be a priority in the draft.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1212914]I really don't think he is under achieving, I really don't.

He was always what he is now.

I don't think he ever should have been a 1st round pick, or second, or third.

History of leaving school (toughness and dedication) and any inability to separate should have been red flags. He is also not physical against press coverage and easily jammed.

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He was supposed to be a climb the ladder guy who could go up n get 50 50 balls. He was touted as a guy who got separation and was physical and faster than people thought. His real knock was that he needed to add more muscle and that he had trouble in press coverage. If he went to several other teams he would probably have panned out but not in old DC. I dont blame him for leaving Wyoming for TCU. He got paid because of it.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1212916]He was supposed to be a climb the ladder guy who could go up n get 50 50 balls. He was touted as a guy who got separation and was physical and faster than people thought. His real knock was that he needed to add more muscle and that he had trouble in press coverage. If he went to several other teams he would probably have panned out but not in old DC. I dont blame him for leaving Wyoming for TCU. He got paid because of it.[/QUOTE]Do you think it is lack of desire or lack of development by the coaches?

Or both?

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1212918]Do you think it is lack of desire or lack of development by the coaches?

Or both?

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Based on our track record with player development Ill say coaching mostly. I think that it is part on Doc too, but honestly when you are part of a losing culture, playing in a lame ass environment it must be harder to dig down deep.

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[quote=punch it in;1212919]Based on our track record with player development Ill say coaching mostly. I think that it is part on Doc too, but honestly when you are part of a losing culture, playing in a lame ass environment it must be harder to dig down deep.[/quote]

As if personal/team pride and more money than many of them have ever seen before should ever be enough 😂😂

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1212918]Do you think it is lack of desire or lack of development by the coaches?

Or both?

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He's soft as fuck that's why, he doesn't want any contact. Cooley and others have said this about him in practice and games.

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I'm not totally giving up on Doctson, I think he's been trending up, not quite as quickly as we'd all like but I do think he's shown some signs of improvement as of late

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[quote=MTK;1212948]I'm not totally giving up on Doctson, I think he's been trending up, not quite as quickly as we'd all like but I do think he's shown some signs of improvement as of late[/quote]

Last 5 games: 46 yards, 32 yards, 66 yards, 51 yards, 84 yards. Extrapolate that five game stretch to a full season of 16 games, that's 892 yards.

I'd like more out of my first round WR but that's clearly better.

However, very much worth noting that a good chunk of those yards came while in garbage time while the defense had backed off due to the game being mostly out of reach. Need Doc to contribute when the game is on the line.

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[quote=jamf;1212867]Doctson woke up on Monday with concussion symptoms.
He is questionable for the game while in concussion protocol.

I don't remember him getting hit in the game.
I'm so done with Mr 35 yards a game. F this guy.[/quote]

He needs to get a softer pillow so he won't get any more concussions while he sleeps.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1212966]He needs to get a softer pillow so he won't get any more concussions while he sleeps.[/QUOTE]I want new as our new team doctor AND strength and conditioning coach!
You couldn't do worse than the actual ones, could you?

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Doc sucks, time to stop hoping he ends up worth the pick. He sucked when we had Kirk and he sucks now. Wont change

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1212972]Doc sucks, time to stop hoping he ends up worth the pick. He sucked when we had Kirk and he sucks now. Wont change[/QUOTE]



He’s had his chance it’s time to move on. Not trying to get stuck with a Devin Thomas/Malcolm Kelly type situation


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[quote=DynamiteRave;1212973]He’s had his chance it’s time to move on. Not trying to get stuck with a Devin Thomas/Malcolm Kelly type situation


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I would bring him back, he has another year on his contract but I think he needs to know he won't make the team unless he earns it.

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[quote=jamf;1212974]I would bring him back, he has another year on his contract but I think he needs to know he won't make the team unless he earns it.[/quote]

agree, he needs to compete and not handed the outside job. I think regime change either lifts his game or gets him cut. Too much inconsistency...one thing that is a positive is his blocking ability in the run game has been pretty good.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1212977]agree, he needs to compete and not handed the outside job. I think regime change either lifts his game or gets him cut. Too much inconsistency...one thing that is a positive is his blocking ability in the run game has been pretty good.[/QUOTE]Yeah run blocking maybe is where he improved most because last year he wasn't having none of it!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1212972]Doc sucks, time to stop hoping he ends up worth the pick. He sucked when we had Kirk and he sucks now. Wont change[/quote]

I don't think he'll live up to the First round status but he's still a decent NFL WR. We're expecting him to be the #1 and put up outrageous stats but that's not gonna be him. He's a solid #2/3 receiver worth bringing back on his rookie contract.

WR is definitely a need though, in case you guys didn't already know...

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Redskins are 1st in holds, 2nd in false starts, 1st in negative runs to right side of O-line. That's the curse.

Per JP Finlay

Losing Scherff was as big as Alex.

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Jay Gruden on Zach Brown saying he sees the writing on the wall: “nobody wrote anything on a wall... he hasn’t talked to me yet. Anyone has a problem they can come see me.”

Also players had a group huddle after practice, no coaches just players.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuUSOj_XQAAwBqk.jpg:large[/IMG]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1212984]Redskins are 1st in holds, 2nd in false starts, 1st in negative runs to right side of O-line. That's the curse.

Per JP Finlay

Losing Scherff was as big as Alex.[/quote]

Moses is good for at least 2 false starts a game. And he always gets away with a couple too.

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[quote=jamf;1212974]I would bring him back, he has another year on his contract but I think he needs to know he won't make the team unless he earns it.[/quote]
We'll know when and if the front office picks up his 5th yr option or not.

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Now Foster says his cousin was using his account lol yeah OK

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1213021]Now Foster says his cousin was using his account lol yeah OK

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Yeah cus u wouldn’t want to let everyone know that for at least a few days. [emoji849]
So now fuck us and we are dumb as rocks. Fuckin bum.

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See Foster is just being a bitch now. Just be a man and say you said it. You slow as fuck turtle. Foster looks like he shit on himself when he runs. You ever see a kid shit on himself and then try to run? That's our starting ILB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1213021]Now Foster says his cousin was using his account lol yeah OK

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[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/redskins-players-fans-seem-fed-152054972.html[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1212992]Moses is good for at least 2 false starts a game. And he always gets away with a couple too.[/quote]

Many of his false starts have occurred on 3rd Down and a significant number of those have been in the Red Zone or have moved us out of Field Goal range.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1213046][url]https://sports.yahoo.com/redskins-players-fans-seem-fed-152054972.html[/url][/quote]

The funny part is he says he'll " try my changes and go to a winning team next year." Is he serious? He's probably closer to being out of the league than going to a winning team.

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Mason Foster can suck my taint. Guessing Jay Gruden doesn't care because he knows he's gone at the end of the year, and Foster will be too.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuUBB96WkAAE4h5.jpg[/IMG]

Dan , Joe and Doug watching practice

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I want to see Jay go for it on every 4th down in opposing teams territory from now on, also start going for 2 as well. F it what's to lose?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1213086][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuUBB96WkAAE4h5.jpg[/IMG]

Dan , Joe and Doug watching practice[/quote]

Doug should be fired for wearing jeans with a crease

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A picture's worth a thousand words in this case. Where's Allen at?

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Yep, Bruce and Jay are gone folks. I think they both realize it too.

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[quote=jamf;1213090]Doug should be fired for wearing jeans with a crease[/quote]

southern boys like dem jeans crisp

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[quote=mooby;1213091]A picture's worth a thousand words in this case. Where's Allen at?[/quote]

He's probably the one taking the picture, lol! Snyder wants him to have a picture of the very last thing he sees at Redskins Park.

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Simmie Cobbs has been claimed by NO

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1213104]Simmie Cobbs has been claimed by NO[/quote]

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2018/12/14/redskins-lose-potential-packed-wr-simmie-cobbs-as-saints-sign-him-off-practice-squad/[/url]

Goddamn this makes me so mad!!! Cobbs has been sitting on the practice squad all year knowing he has great potential....dude was undrafted....a ALL first team big 10 all American for Indiana....they waited too long to sign him off the damn practice squad....he should have been activated when Cam Sims went on IR and even when Trey Quinn went back on IR again....now Cobbs could get a SB ring playing with the Saints.... Doug Williams, you made a grave error!!!! And if it was Gruden's decision to hold this kid back then Gruden is an idiot! Cobbs was a steal for the Redskins and they let him go to waste!

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1213131][url]https://riggosrag.com/2018/12/14/redskins-lose-potential-packed-wr-simmie-cobbs-as-saints-sign-him-off-practice-squad/[/url]



Goddamn this makes me so mad!!! Cobbs has been sitting on the practice squad all year knowing he has great potential....dude was undrafted....a ALL first team big 10 all American for Indiana....they waited too long to sign him off the damn practice squad....he should have been activated when Cam Sims went on IR and even when Trey Quinn went back on IR again....now Cobbs could get a SB ring playing with the Saints.... Doug Williams, you made a grave error!!!! And if it was Gruden's decision to hold this kid back then Gruden is an idiot! Cobbs was a steal for the Redskins and they let him go to waste![/QUOTE]



That’s yet another PISS POOR DECISION in a long line of bad player Management decisions made by this garbage ass team. Redskins tried offering him a roster spot to counter, and he said no thanks, I’m going to the Saints. TOO LATE ASSHOLES! Everyone wants Allen, Gruden, and WIlliams gone!

GOOD MOVE Cobbs. Get out of this 25 year old shit hole . Go to a winning, sound, respectable organization. I’m willing to bet 3/4 of our locker room wants out of here.

Been faithfully following and spending money on this team faithfully For 26 years since Gibbs retired in 92. I’ve grown to hate the Redskins. Sad and disenfranchised Just like the rest of this eroding fan base

Fans like me have seen what over that timeframe? One playoff win. Never a season over 10 wins. Get the fuck out of here this team is garbage and has been for 26 years. Let that sink in....There are fans that have only seen this team win one playoff game and never a season over 10 wins. The only team in that timeframe to do worse than that would be the Browns And the brownstone even count because they move to Baltimore and won a Super Bowl and Baltimore is had multiple successful seasons

This team has been one failed experiment, one failed coach, one failed quarterback, one failed coordinator after the other and it’s been total fucking garbage for 26 years. A complete disgrace to George Allen Lonbardi Joe Gibbs and the people who once made this organization proud

For most of us here all we know is losing, turmoil, embarrassment, disarray, failed decisions, debacle. For most of us that’s all we’ve seen over 26 years. Apathy has set in for millions of fans


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He should have been moved up after frail ass Richardson went down.