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[quote=Irrefutable;1215760]How would the cap space be used? not on Crowder, P.Smith, or Peterson

sure on Brandon S.

Most free agents are over paid , maybe some on 2nd tier free agents...TE, C, DB[/quote]

They should redo this team with undrafted rookie free agents and rookies...like the 2012 Indianapolis Colts did...they went from 2-14 to 11-5.

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[quote=jamf;1215763]I would pay AP.
We aren't going to have stellar QB play next year so it's in our best interest to have a dynamic running game.[/quote]

AP deserves a 2 year contract.....I would love to see a two headed godzilla with AP and Guice....I'm not big on FA signings but because of who AP is I'm all for him continuing his career with the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1215769]They should redo this team with undrafted rookie free agents and rookies...like the 2012 Indianapolis Colts did...they went from 2-14 to 11-5.[/QUOTE][url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2012_roster.htm[/url]

They didn't have any udfa's in their starting line up.

They did have some aging vets though in Wayne, Freeney and Mathis.

The Brown's are a better example. They have done that the last few years. Trading away talent.

We kinda got a sneak preview at the udfa route toward the end of this season.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1215771]AP desererves a 2 year contract.....I would love to see a two headed gonzilla with AP and Guice....I'm not big on FA signings but because of who AP is I'm all for him continuing his career with the Redskins.[/quote]

AP is going to expect a heck of a lot more than he got this year (NFL minimum ) You can give him a 2 year contract, but make it incentive based. NO guaranteed money. How many good 34 year old RBs in the NFL?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1215769]They should redo this team with undrafted rookie free agents and rookies...like the 2012 Indianapolis Colts did...they went from 2-14 to 11-5.[/quote]

They tanked to get Luck.
They had solid talent on the team.

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Cut all known Women- and/or Child-Beaters and I´m okay, no matter the record.

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THis is one of the least talented rosters in the NFL.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1215798]THis is one of the least talented rosters in the NFL.[/quote]

def one of the most injured. I feel like we have some decent talent...but in our division we are probably 3rd and that's where it matters most.

Defense: front 7 I would say good talent, secondary now, below avg. Depth: average/above average

Offense: Oline: Average, Skill position: below avg, Depth: bad. QB: avg

Special Teams: Good

We got work to do for sure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1215800]def one of the most injured. I feel like we have some decent talent...but in our division we are probably 3rd and that's where it matters most.

Defense: front 7 I would say good talent, secondary now, below avg. Depth: average/above average

Offense: Oline: Average, Skill position: below avg, Depth: bad. QB: avg

Special Teams: Good

We got work to do for sure.[/quote]

The Giants aren't that far behind us and actually having Barkley and Beckham may boost them ahead.

If we don't see major changes to player personnel and coaching/FO , this team could be a 4-12 type roster next yr.

Better go out and add talent to the offense asap.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1215802]The Giants aren't that far behind us and actually having Barkley and Beckham may boost them ahead.

If we don't see major changes to player personnel and coaching/FO , this team could be a 4-12 type roster next yr.

Better go out and add talent to the offense asap.[/quote]

So I don't know about spending top money on offense. I think actually about divesting in money spent at TE...cut VD and trading Reed...both doable and competent moves. I don't think you spend big at WR or TE. I think there are capable LG for decent money coming on the market. Quinton Spain is one...there is another from Denver I believe....and you have some guys, role players like our old friend Tom Compton who can come in and provide depth in the Interior. I would bring in a blocking TE, pair with Sprinkle and our awesome blocking young white TE (forget name). WR...I would draft someone with a top four round pick and bring in another Vet on a 1, 2 year deal that doesn't break the bank. Id give Crowder a peak, let him test the market, but could bring him back on a cheap deal.

RB...Incentive laden, 1 year deal to AP as a back up role. If he says no... per Kevin Sheehan suggestion...and this has my blessing, get the back up RB Mike Davis from Seattle...shouldn't be expensive. Id role with CT again just because last year of deal and cutting doesn't help the cap much.

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[quote=Chico23231;1215804]So I don't know about spending top money on offense. I think actually about divesting in money spent at TE...cut VD and trading Reed...both doable and competent moves. I don't think you spend big at WR or TE. I think there are capable LG for decent money coming on the market. Quinton Spain is one...there is another from Denver I believe....and you have some guys, role players like our old friend Tom Compton who can come in and provide depth in the Interior. I would bring in a blocking TE, pair with Sprinkle and our awesome blocking young white TE (forget name). WR...I would draft someone with a top four round pick and bring in another Vet on a 1, 2 year deal that doesn't break the bank. Id give Crowder a peak, let him test the market, but could bring him back on a cheap deal.

RB...Incentive laden, 1 year deal to AP as a back up role. If he says no... per Kevin Sheehan suggestion...and this has my blessing, get the back up RB Mike Davis from Seattle...shouldn't be expensive. Id role with CT again just because last year of deal and cutting doesn't help the cap much.[/quote]


I think TE and WR are as important as LG now. It's a pass first league and you have to have guys that create space and get open. That is what killed us this season, I think u have to bring Crowder back and hope they can find a top WR in the Draft or go out and sign one but that list is not long. Fitz is 36, he is most likely going to a SB contender.

Then you have these guys.

Cobb - 29 YO
Tate - 31 YO
Moncrief - 26 YO
John Brown - 29 YO

That list is horrible.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1215805]I think TE and WR are as important as LG now. It's a pass first league and you have to have guys that create space and get open. That is what killed us this season, I think u have to bring Crowder back and hope they can find a top WR in the Draft or go out and sign one but that list is not long. Fitz is 36, he is most likely going to a SB contender.

Then you have these guys.

Cobb - 29 YO
Tate - 31 YO
Moncrief - 26 YO
John Brown - 29 YO

That list is horrible.[/quote]

Remember, we need a guy who plays outside. Tate is off our board. Randle Cobb is injury-prone...again off our board.

I think John Brown is a viable option for what we are looking for... a strong vet, fast, plays outside. I call him about a 1 or 2 year deal.

Its foolish to continue to pay Reed and VD the way we are. Let Sprinkle play, bring in a stronger blocking veteran TE who can help the running game.

With our QB in question...move the team towards Running Ball/Strong defense strategy.

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I like Brown he can stretch the field. Your idea of ball control and defense is important with below avg QB play. Look at Ravens.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1215807]I like Brown he can stretch the field. Your idea of ball control and defense is important with below avg QB play. Look at Ravens.[/quote]

My blocking TE choice for as a free agent is actually a Raven:

[url]http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-nick-boyle-20181123-story.html[/url]

Nick Boyle...he has the ability to leak out and catch a couple balls...but then his destroys people in the run game all day. Let Sprinkle and Boyle play equal time and double TE sets.

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Look at the combine cap number paying Reed and Vernon Davis for 2019.

Ok, now that your furious...go break something.

Finally catch your breath. That number is what would buy a top flight WR, but we spending it on garbage...2 terrible blocking TE...one whose hurt most the time and Vernon Davis who drops pivotal catchs and is one of the worst blocking TEs in the game.

What retarded FO does this shit?

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We got bigger fish to fry than Norman,such as who our QB is gonna be because Alex Smith is done,Colt McCoy ain't the answer so where are we,this is scary because this team used to have rep for great QB's-Baugh-Jurgenson-Kilmer-Theisman, but it's been a while so it's gotta be addressed!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1215798]THis is one of the least talented rosters in the NFL.[/quote]

That is definitely a horrendous overstatement. It has decent talent, it's not deep enough in spots and it has certainly been injury-prone. But every team would love to have Trent Williams, Brandon Scherff, Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kerrigan, Daron Payne, and others.

You can complain about the injuries, the front office, the culture, the coaching (especially on defense IMO) but I don't think you can say it's not a talented roster. We don't have a superstar, maybe that's where you're getting that from? No JJ Watt, no Aaron Donald, no Zeke Elliott, no Khalil Mack, etc. But we have talent.

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I agree that given our QB debacle that we double down on the run game. I wouldn’t ditch Reed just yet. I don’t think that Davis will be coming back on his own next year anyways. Bring in a blocking TE to fill his spot. Resign AP to a 1 year deal again. (He deserves 2 but the cliff is looming no need to waste more money) As for QB. I would pick up the QB from Nc State should be able to pick up in the late rounds and then groom him to be backup to the Franchise QB we pick up next year. If a quality WR is available take him early.

For defense. We have a serious hole to fill with our Saftey position. I wouldn’t cut or trade Norman this year for that reason. Dunbar should be able to come back healthy after a full offseason so invest in a Vet inside linebacker. And find a edge rusher in the draft to replace PSmith.

Draft needs 2019 (no perticular order)
Safety
Interior O
Edge rusher
WR
CB
4th or later QB

With what should be 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and 9 total picks (Compensatory picks)

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[quote=Schneed10;1215816]That is definitely a horrendous overstatement. It has decent talent, it's not deep enough in spots and it has certainly been injury-prone. But every team would love to have Trent Williams, Brandon Scherff, Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kerrigan, Daron Payne, and others.

You can complain about the injuries, the front office, the culture, the coaching (especially on defense IMO) but I don't think you can say it's not a talented roster. We don't have a superstar, maybe that's where you're getting that from? No JJ Watt, no Aaron Donald, no Zeke Elliott, no Khalil Mack, etc. But we have talent.[/quote]

Maybe I was just mad lol sucks being a fan of this team right now my man

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[quote=Chico23231;1215809]Look at the combine cap number paying Reed and Vernon Davis for 2019.

Ok, now that your furious...go break something.

Finally catch your breath. That number is what would buy a top flight WR, but we spending it on garbage...2 terrible blocking TE...one whose hurt most the time and Vernon Davis who drops pivotal catchs and is one of the worst blocking TEs in the game.

What retarded FO does this shit?[/quote]

I have been done with Reed for a few seasons. I do not know why people continue to expect more out of him. He has had two decent seasons and that is all. You can get the same annual productivity for far less $.

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I don't know, I don't see Reed's cap hit as a terrible thing.

2019 cap hits for tight ends:

Jimmy Graham $12.6M
Gronk $12.0M
Zach Ertz $11.8M
Travis Kelce $9.9M
Jordan Reed $9.7M
Charles Clay $9.0M
Trey Burton $8.7M
Jermaine Gresham $8.3M
Kyle Rudolph $7.6M
Dwayne Allen $7.4M
Cameron Brate $7.0M
Delanie Walker $6.8M

He's been injured and that sucks but if you think performance has been a problem when on the field then you're not watching the same game as me. Could you use the cap space more effectively? I don't think it's that easy to do.

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[quote=Schneed10;1215822]I don't know, I don't see Reed's cap hit as a terrible thing.

2019 cap hits for tight ends:

Jimmy Graham $12.6M
Gronk $12.0M
Zach Ertz $11.8M
Travis Kelce $9.9M
Jordan Reed $9.7M
Charles Clay $9.0M
Trey Burton $8.7M
Jermaine Gresham $8.3M
Kyle Rudolph $7.6M
Dwayne Allen $7.4M
Cameron Brate $7.0M
Delanie Walker $6.8M

He's been injured and that sucks but if you think performance has been a problem when on the field then you're not watching the same game as me. Could you use the cap space more effectively? [B] I don't think it's that easy to do[/B].[/quote]

lol...well certainly the Redskins prove that..in fact its really hard.

I see Jordan as an oft in juried player who is either out or playing through injury. There were reports he needs another surgery this offseason when he will be 29 coming into next year.

If Alex Smith and Reed had made a meaningful connection in the passing game...I wouldn't be advocating to move on....I didn't really see it and while Reed has gotten better as a blocker, still its secondary to his overall game. Im more on the fence about outright cut...but im more for trading for a pick to a team which is more suited to his game....could be a win for both.

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[quote=Schneed10;1215822]I don't know, I don't see Reed's cap hit as a terrible thing.

2019 cap hits for tight ends:

Jimmy Graham $12.6M
Gronk $12.0M
Zach Ertz $11.8M
Travis Kelce $9.9M
Jordan Reed $9.7M
Charles Clay $9.0M
Trey Burton $8.7M
Jermaine Gresham $8.3M
Kyle Rudolph $7.6M
Dwayne Allen $7.4M
Cameron Brate $7.0M

Delanie Walker $6.8M

He's been injured and that sucks but if you think performance has been a problem when on the field then you're not watching the same game as me. Could you use the cap space more effectively? I don't think it's that easy to do.[/quote]

Reed has averaged 6 starts per season. And in the last 3 years 3.3 TDs per season. He does not have elite production, so an elite level contract is a waste of money.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedJo02.htm[/url]

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List of Redskins 2019 Free Agents:

Ty Nsekhe
HHCD
Pernell McPhee
Shawn Lauvao
Preston Smith
AP
Mark Sanchez
Josh Johnson
Austin Howard
Tony Bergstrom
Luke Bowanko
Michael Floyd
Jonathan Cooper
Jamison Crowder
Marquis Flowers
Zac Kerin
Arie Kouandjio
Zach Vigil
Byron Marshall
Maurice Harris
Robert Kelley
ArDarius Stewart

Some of them you [I][U]obviously don't bring back[/U][/I]: HHCD, Lauvao, Sanchez, Howard, Kerin, Kelley etc...

Some of them you [I][U]can easily bring back on the cheap[/U][/I], or at a good value/price ratio: JJ, Cooper, Vigil, Harris, McPhee, Nsekhe (how much can he ask?), Kouandjio, (Bergstrom?)

Some of them you [I][U]bring back at the right price[/U][/I]: Preston Smith

And then I think it's not a debate you [I][U]need to bring AP and Crowder back[/U][/I].

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Still hoping for some kind of news on the FO/coaching staff front, but in the meanwhile I'll try to have a bit of fun looking at this roster:

[url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins/[/url]

Cutting [I][U]McGee[/U][/I] post June 1st would save [I][U]3M[/U][/I], cutting[I][U] VD[/U][/I] would save [I][U]nearly 4M[/U][/I]. Other than that (and bottom of the roster cuts), I don't see any obvious cut.
I try to [U]restructure Norman's deal and extend Brandon Scherff[/U].


EDIT: OTC has a calculator tool, quite fun.
We currently have a [I][U]23M cap space for 2019[/U][/I], that's 25th in the league, but it's not cap hell.
Cut McGee, VD, Catalina (because he sucks), and Jessu Chesson (because why not?) and all of the sudden you have [I][U]31M available[/U][/I].
And that's with Brandon Scherff's 12.5M option year, so extend him (and keep in mind this FO has done a good job of [I][U]structuring contracts in order to save cap in early years[/U][/I]), restructure Norman's deal, make a couple other low key moves and you could be looking at [I][U]around 40M of available cap space[/U][/I].

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1215867]Still hoping for some kind of news on the FO/coaching staff front, but in the meanwhile I'll try to have a bit of fun looking at this roster:

[url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins/[/url]

Cutting [I][U]McGee[/U][/I] post June 1st would save [I][U]3M[/U][/I], cutting[I][U] VD[/U][/I] would save [I][U]nearly 4M[/U][/I]. Other than that (and bottom of the roster cuts), I don't see any obvious cut.
I try to [U]restructure Norman's deal and extend Brandon Scherff[/U].


EDIT: OTC has a calculator tool, quite fun.
We currently have a [I][U]23M cap space for 2019[/U][/I], that's 25th in the league, but it's not cap hell.
Cut McGee, VD, Catalina (because he sucks), and Jessu Chesson (because why not?) and all of the sudden you have [I][U]31M available[/U][/I].
And that's with Brandon Scherff's 12.5M option year, so extend him (and keep in mind this FO has done a good job of [I][U]structuring contracts in order to save cap in early years[/U][/I]), restructure Norman's deal, make a couple other low key moves and you could be looking at [I][U]around 40M of available cap space[/U][/I].[/quote]

Agree, even with Bruce’s latest albatross Alex Smith...if we make a couple rational moves we should have the cap space to bring in some guys. I agree with what you have said.

But with McGee hear me out...first I was against the move when it was made preferring to put that money towards calis Campbell and it’s proven to be a bad decision. BUT...if we bring in a d coordinator who goes base 4-3 then we would move back to scheme where McGee excelled with the Raiders. I think he would be more valuable and we could retain rotational depth. Going forward our strategy should be keep the trenches stacked...our front office negligence with interior Oline has sunk this team for several years.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1215868]Agree, even with Bruce’s latest albatross Alex Smith...if we make a couple rational moves we should have the cap space to bring in some guys. I agree with what you have said.



But with McGee hear me out...first I was against the move when it was made preferring to put that money towards calis Campbell and it’s proven to be a bad decision. BUT...if we bring in a d coordinator who goes base 4-3 then we would move back to scheme where McGee excelled with the Raiders. I think he would be more valuable and we could retain rotational depth. Going forward our strategy should be keep the trenches stacked...our front office negligence with interior Oline has sunk this team for several years.[/QUOTE]I hear you and agree on the stack the trenches philosophy.

A couple of things though: I like the idea of transitioning to a 4 - 3, been liking it for several years now. But a lot of you pointed out we're kinda short on ILBs. I'd like to keep Mason Foster, on a good day I think he's a smart, tough and underrated player, but his status is unsure with all the drama he had this season. Plus on a bad day his lack of speed is hurting us. Hamilton has shown some flashes. A healthy Zach Brown is a solid LB and he has improved his covering skills. Then what? I like Zach Vigil but is he a viable starter? You transition Ryan Anderson to SAM but it's a project and he's improved as a 3-4 OLB this season.
My fear is that right now it would be creating another need.

Still would like it if a new DC comes in and wants a 4-3 though.

Back on McGee, with Payne, Allen, Ioannidis and Settle as young studs, I think we can find way cheaper rotational guys than him. I like the 3M over him.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1215842]List of Redskins 2019 Free Agents:

[B]Ty Nsekhe[/B]
HHCD
Pernell McPhee
Shawn Lauvao
Preston Smith
[B]AP[/B]
Mark Sanchez
Josh Johnson
Austin Howard
[B]Tony Bergstrom[/B]
Luke Bowanko
Michael Floyd
[B]Jonathan Cooper
Jamison Crowder[/B]
Marquis Flowers
Zac Kerin
Arie Kouandjio
Zach Vigil
Byron Marshall
Maurice Harris
Robert Kelley
ArDarius Stewart

Some of them you [I][U]obviously don't bring back[/U][/I]: HHCD, Lauvao, Sanchez, Howard, Kerin, Kelley etc...

Some of them you [I][U]can easily bring back on the cheap[/U][/I], or at a good value/price ratio: JJ, Cooper, Vigil, Harris, McPhee, Nsekhe (how much can he ask?), Kouandjio, (Bergstrom?)

Some of them you [I][U]bring back at the right price[/U][/I]: Preston Smith

And then I think it's not a debate you [I][U]need to bring AP and Crowder back[/U][/I].[/quote]

The only guys I'd bring back

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1215871]I hear you and agree on the stack the trenches philosophy.

A couple of things though: I like the idea of transitioning to a 4 - 3, been liking it for several years now. But a lot of you pointed out we're kinda short on ILBs. I'd like to keep Mason Foster, on a good day I think he's a smart, tough and underrated player, but his status is unsure with all the drama he had this season. Plus on a bad day his lack of speed is hurting us. Hamilton has shown some flashes. A healthy Zach Brown is a solid LB and he has improved his covering skills. Then what? I like Zach Vigil but is he a viable starter? You transition Ryan Anderson to SAM but it's a project and he's improved as a 3-4 OLB this season.
My fear is that right now it would be creating another need.

Still would like it if a new DC comes in and wants a 4-3 though.

Back on McGee, with Payne, Allen, Ioannidis and Settle as young studs, I think we can find way cheaper rotational guys than him. I like the 3M over him.

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See...I didn't bring him up, but Mason Foster should be cut...think it would save 2.5 mill. After that social media message and a season where he was inconsistent, he shouldn't be brought back. Hamilton and Anderson should be given an opportunity and they both played well this year. Zach Brown is one of the better LB in the league, so he would stay. Also, remember we picked up a piece of shit R. Foster...he could make noise too.

McGee...on the fence. He wasn't bad for us when he played.

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[quote=Chico23231;1215876]See...I didn't bring him up, but M[B]ason Foster should be cut...think it would save 2.5 mill[/B]. After that social media message and a season where he was inconsistent, he shouldn't be brought back. Hamilton and Anderson should be given an opportunity and they both played well this year. Zach Brown is one of the better LB in the league, so he would stay. Also, remember we picked up a piece of shit R. Foster...he could make noise too.

McGee...on the fence. He wasn't bad for us when he played.[/quote]

1.75M per OTC. If a new DC comes in and Jay thinks he can handle it, I'd keep Mason. Again, assuming there's a new DC that can bring the better out of him, which IMO is a valuable smart and tough vet. If Manusky stays MF obviously needs to be gone, but in that scenario I don't see anybody on that D playing to their full potential.

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Mason Foster is a bum. How is he still in the league? He can't get off blocks, can't cover anyone and is slow. To me he's not even a backup. I would have rather kept Spaight. Not really impressed w/ Dion Hamilton either. He played like shit against the Eagles.

We don't have the LB's to run a 3-4. I'd rather have our d-line getting up field and attacking. Let them be the playmakers of the defense.

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Charges dropped against Reuben foster

[url]http://m.tmz.com/#!2019/01/03/reuben-foster-domestic-violence-charge-dropped/[/url]


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im with skinsfan69 here. lets go back to a base 4-3. thats the strength of our team right now. and neither smith or kerrigan can cover me. and im 57

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[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Redskins-reserve-future-contracts--127207513/[/url]

I remember saw an article stating that we also signed Marquis Flowers to future contract, I can't find the article.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1215878]1.75M per OTC. If a new DC comes in and Jay thinks he can handle it, I'd keep Mason. Again, assuming there's a new DC that can bring the better out of him, which IMO is a valuable smart and tough vet. If Manusky stays MF obviously needs to be gone, but in that scenario I don't see anybody on that D playing to their full potential.[/quote]

Honestly, I'll take ANY proven DC right now. We keep doing this in-house bullshit and it's making me bananas. Bowles is RIGHT there for the taking.

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Mason Foster was so bad that he led the team in tackles - and the player with the next highest number of tackles wasn't even close. So let's just throw out all that production and replace him with someone with "potential" since Jay Gruden likes potential so much [sarcasm].

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1215916]Mason Foster was so bad that he led the team in tackles - and the player with the next highest number of tackles wasn't even close. So let's just throw out all that production and replace him with someone with "potential" since Jay Gruden likes potential so much [sarcasm].[/quote]

This is a classic case of stats being misleading. Just watch the last game and tell me if you think he is a starter. He is so damn slow.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1215921]This is a classic case of stats being misleading. Just watch the last game and tell me if you think he is a starter. He is so damn slow.[/quote]

He's not fast, but I put 99% of the blame on Manusky's schemes. He's so worried of getting beat deep, the LBs and DBs play off a billion yards.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1215921]This is a classic case of stats being misleading. Just watch the last game and tell me if you think he is a starter. He is so damn slow.[/quote]


Why do you heap abuse on a player who was productive and available (16 games) rather than point out the real liabilities on the team, specifically players with little or no production and/or availability?

You're not the only one. People here are constantly on Ryan Kerrigan's case because he's only an excellent player when he supposedly should be great player, I guess. Every year we get 16 games worth of very good play from Ryan. Hell, if everyone on the team played their positions as well as he plays his, we'd win the Super Bowl.

We don't need to eliminate productive and available players, we need to get rid of the real turds - you know, the ones who are said to have potential year after year after year but never deliver results and those who can't stay well enough to get on the field.

We also need coaches who know how to best use their players.

Re: Offseason starts now: A Redskins players thread
 

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1215916]Mason Foster was so bad that he led the team in tackles - and the player with the next highest number of tackles wasn't even close. So let's just throw out all that production and replace him with someone with "potential" since Jay Gruden likes potential so much [sarcasm].[/QUOTE]Yeah Mason Foster is quite underrated but he has his share of responsibility in it: he's slow, there's no arguing that, but when he plays well he makes up for his lack of speed, he's smart enough to be a really good covering LB, and he's a solid tackler.
And of course there's Mason on a bad day who's just slow, out of position and scared to make any decision.
I don't think we have another player displaying such different levels of play game to game.

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