Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1215986]Isn’t that pretty much what they said?

It didn’t matter what they said it was going to look bad, the right thing to do was wait until this issue was cleared up and then sign him



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Not exactly, didn't Doug called it "small potatoes ?

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[URL="https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Reuben-Foster-statement-by-Washington-Redskins-125461285/"]This was their initial statement [/URL]

Today we have claimed the rights to LB Reuben Foster. The Redskins fully understand the severity of the recent allegations made against Reuben. If true, you can be sure these allegations are nothing our organization would ever condone. Let me be clear, Reuben will have to go through numerous steps, including the full legal process, an investigation and potential discipline from the NFL, as well as meetings with counselors associated with the team before he will ever have the opportunity to wear the Burgundy and Gold as a player. That being said, we decided to investigate the situation with Reuben further by claiming his rights after candid conversations with a number of his ex-Alabama teammates and current Redskins players who were overwhelmingly supportive of us taking this chance. Nothing is promised to Reuben, but we are hopeful that being around so many of his former teammates and friends will eventually provide him with the best possible environment to succeed both personally and professionally.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

I swear if someone from the FO starts bragging about what a steal we got... :doh:

It would just be another indictment of their complete lack of awareness.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=mooby;1215991]I swear if someone from the FO starts bragging about what a steal we got... :doh:

It would just be another indictment of their complete lack of awareness.[/quote]

Luckily nobody is talking or even tweeting right now due to the #FireBruceAllen thing lol

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

wonder if the Washington Post will even mention it since they spent a full week hating the Skins and then predictable politicizing it.

Re: Charges against Ruben Foster dropped
 

[quote=mooby;1215973]I'm gonna sidestep this whole feminism "debate" and hit this Foster thing from another angle:

SFRedskin, you say Foster is a beast who is all over the field making plays, yet in 16 career games across 2 seasons he has:

No interceptions
No sacks
No fumble recoveries
Not even a single forced fumble
2 career passes defensed

Is he a good tackler? Sure, I'll give him that. 72 in 10 games in 2017, 29 in 6 games in 2018.

Good tackler =/= playmaker. So can we please dispel with the notion that he's a playmaker?

/will readily admit we lack good tacklers so he is an improvement on that front.

//if he still hangs with this bitch we signed the dumbest motherfucker since Pacman Jones.[/quote]

Have you seen him play? I’ll leave it at that, cause the stats don’t reflect the play. Let’s just say he made a difference when he was on the field for the 49ers.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

Don't guess and speculate about Foster's performance. Here's a very good fact and videotape-based analysis of him.

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-what-happened-to-reuben-foster[/url]

He had a tremendous season last year, then this year before his problems in SF he was disappointing. But you do need to watch how well he can cover the intermediate part of the field when the secondary retreats into a Cover 3. That's something we do frequently to limit big plays but TEs like Ertz slaughter us because of it. Watch the clips of Foster covering Tavon Austin on the intermediate crossing patterns.

The speed is what separates him from Mason Foster, and the instincts in coverage are what separates him from Zach Brown. He didn't play well this year though, so it's fair to wonder what we're getting from a performance standpoint. At the same time, the tape don't lie it's clear to see why the Skins loved the idea of scooping him up.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

R Foster and Z Brown would be one of the best LB combos in the NFC. Foster is extremely talented. If we would move to a 4-3 tampa 2 with him in the Middle...could be deadly.

I get a chubby thinking about Ryan Anderson - Ruben Foster - Zach Brown starting in a 4-3.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Chico23231;1215996]R Foster and Z Brown would be one of the best LB combos in the NFC. Foster is extremely talented. If we would move to a 4-3 tampa 2 with him in the Middle...could be deadly.

I get a chubby thinking about Ryan Anderson - Ruben Foster - Zach Brown starting in a 4-3.[/quote]

Yes it would, granted Brown changes his attitude. Supposedly Brown claims he playing witha torn oblique, maybe that explains his shitty play this year.

Re: Charges against Ruben Foster dropped
 

SF are we talking about 2018 Foster or 2017 Foster?

Because Schneed's in-depth analysis looks a lot better than yours.

With all due respect Schneed, I'm not saying he's a bad player (although his 2018 performance should be concerning). Just "playmaker" is a bit of a stretch.

Even the advanced stats are showing he had a huge lapse in performance in 2018. Can he regain form? Sure. Am I confident we have the right coaches in place to help him do that? TBD.

Is he more gifted athletically than Mason Foster? LOL, if he weren't we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1215997]Yes it would, granted Brown changes his attitude. Supposedly Brown claims he playing witha torn oblique, maybe that explains his shitty play this year.[/quote]

Well, lets start with R Foster learning to focus and more importantly, making smarter life decisions.

Z Brown was great the first half of the season, but his play lagged the second half...like most the defense. He was injured, I don't know what that injury was exactly.

Ive been happy with Brown's play since he has been here.

Re: Charges against Ruben Foster dropped
 

[quote=mooby;1215998]SF are we talking about 2018 Foster or 2017 Foster?

Because Schneed's in-depth analysis looks a lot better than yours.

With all due respect Schneed, I'm not saying he's a bad player (although his 2018 performance should be concerning). Just "playmaker" is a bit of a stretch.

Even the advanced stats are showing he had a huge lapse in performance in 2018. Can he regain form? Sure. Am I confident we have the right coaches in place to help him do that? TBD.

Is he more gifted athletically than Mason Foster? LOL, if he weren't we wouldn't be having this discussion.[/quote]

Foster played 8 games this year, actually maybe 5-6 due to suspension at the beginning of the season, injuries and another suspension. In a few of the games he played, he was fantastic then hurt his hamstring. Last year for sure, hard to gauge this year due to just a few games.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FostRe00.htm[/url]

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1215989][URL="https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Reuben-Foster-statement-by-Washington-Redskins-125461285/"]This was their initial statement [/URL]



Today we have claimed the rights to LB Reuben Foster. The Redskins fully understand the severity of the recent allegations made against Reuben. If true, you can be sure these allegations are nothing our organization would ever condone. Let me be clear, Reuben will have to go through numerous steps, including the full legal process, an investigation and potential discipline from the NFL, as well as meetings with counselors associated with the team before he will ever have the opportunity to wear the Burgundy and Gold as a player. That being said, we decided to investigate the situation with Reuben further by claiming his rights after candid conversations with a number of his ex-Alabama teammates and current Redskins players who were overwhelmingly supportive of us taking this chance. Nothing is promised to Reuben, but we are hopeful that being around so many of his former teammates and friends will eventually provide him with the best possible environment to succeed both personally and professionally.[/QUOTE]Should've stick to that all the way then. With the level of dysfunction of this organisation, both real and perceived, they can't afford to be anything else than perfect PR wise.

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1215996]R Foster and Z Brown would be one of the best LB combos in the NFC. Foster is extremely talented. If we would move to a 4-3 tampa 2 with him in the Middle...could be deadly.



I get a chubby thinking about Ryan Anderson - Ruben Foster - Zach Brown starting in a 4-3.[/QUOTE]Mmmmh... the more I'm thinking about this idea, the more I'm liking it.
Don't forget to get SDH in the mix, the way he improved this season he could be a starter next year!

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

I think with Reuben Foster it's this simple. You know he has the athletic ability that Mason Foster lacks. You know Mason Foster is a severe liability in coverage, especially when it comes to keeping up with the faster tight ends. Ergo you must upgrade your athleticism at LB. Reuben, for all his problems, off the field and in 2018 with a drop off in play, at least gives you a fighting chance.

With Mason Foster you were dead before the ship even sank.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1215996]R Foster and Z Brown would be one of the best LB combos in the NFC. Foster is extremely talented. If we would move to a 4-3 tampa 2 with him in the Middle...could be deadly.



I get a chubby thinking about Ryan Anderson - Ruben Foster - Zach Brown starting in a 4-3.[/QUOTE]


I think chances are good we switch to a 4-3 with the personnel we have, but browns not coming back unless it’s under a new deal. He has a 9M cap hit next year and none of its guaranteed. based his performance, he’s almost certain to be cut.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1216012]I think chances are good we switch to a 4-3 with the personnel we have, but browns not coming back unless it’s under a new deal. He has a 9M cap hit next year and none of its guaranteed. based his performance, he’s almost certain to be cut.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

meh, I think its a possibility, but not likely. I think its more attitude driven not performance driven if he isn't here. We would take a dead cap hit though...think around 3 mil.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1216012]I think chances are good we switch to a 4-3 with the personnel we have, but browns not coming back unless it’s under a new deal. He has a 9M cap hit next year and none of its guaranteed. based his performance, he’s almost certain to be cut.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

In the latest Redskins Talk Podcast, Keim mentioned that a switch to the 4-3 is a possibility this year. I think this can help the team given the personnel they have and it would make Preston Smith somewhat expendable.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1216017]In the latest Redskins Talk Podcast, Keim mentioned that a switch to the 4-3 is a possibility this year. I think this can help the team given the personnel they have and it would make Preston Smith somewhat expendable.[/quote]

From what was reported before, it seems like the defense was in a 4-3 quite a bit of time anyway, so it makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is, if you're pushing a 3-4 base defense, why not draft/sign free agents who fit the bill? That part doesn't make sense?

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=metalskins;1216018]From what was reported before, it seems like the defense was in a 4-3 quite a bit of time anyway, so it makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is, if you're pushing a 3-4 base defense, why not draft/sign free agents who fit the bill? That part doesn't make sense?[/quote]

They play a lot of nickle defense, which is a little difference than base 4-3 from what I understand (Nickle D has two smaller edge rushers, whereas in 4-3 base, you have one DE rusher and one larger run stuffing DE on the other side).

If they go base 4-3, they'd have Ionnidis, Allen, Payne, and Kerrigan in the d-line. They could have Ryan Anderson (SLB), Shaun Dion Hamilton (MLB), and R. Foster (WLB) as Linebackers. I think going base 4-3 would allow them to use Ionnidis and Ryan Anderson more often.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1216020]They play a lot of nickle defense, which is a little difference than base 4-3 from what I understand (Nickle D has two smaller edge rushers, whereas in 4-3 base, you have one DE rusher and one larger run stuffing DE on the other side).



If they go base 4-3, they'd have Ionnidis, Allen, Payne, and Kerrigan in the d-line. They could have Ryan Anderson (SLB), Shaun Dion Hamilton (MLB), and R. Foster (WLB) as Linebackers. I think going base 4-3 would allow them to use Ionnidis and Ryan Anderson more often.[/QUOTE]I doubt Ionnidas plays DE in a 4-3 but Smith if he is back and Kerrigan would be much better as a 4-3 DE.

It seems like Kerrigan is awkward when he has to make reads and he looks terrible in coverage.

As a 4-3 DE, he would be playing to his strengths every down.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1216020]They play a lot of nickle defense, which is a little difference than base 4-3 from what I understand (Nickle D has two smaller edge rushers, whereas in 4-3 base, you have one DE rusher and one larger run stuffing DE on the other side).

If they go base 4-3, they'd have Ionnidis, Allen, Payne, and Kerrigan in the d-line. They could have Ryan Anderson (SLB), Shaun Dion Hamilton (MLB), and R. Foster (WLB) as Linebackers. I think going base 4-3 would allow them to use Ionnidis and Ryan Anderson more often.[/quote]

IMO the biggest difference between 4 - 3 and Nickel D is the last one is a 4 - 2 - 5 personnel, not a 4 - 3 - 4. So you do have 4 DLs but only 2 LBs. And since it's more used in passing downs, I guess yeah the 2 ends usually are edge rushers.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

I still don't understand the obsession over 3-4 vs 4-3. We flex between the two schemes. I don't care which we run, we need a defensive coordinator who's better at disguising and being aggressively unpredictable.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Chico23231;1215999]Well, lets start with R Foster learning to focus and more importantly, making smarter life decisions.

Z Brown was great the first half of the season, but his play lagged the second half...like most the defense. He was injured, I don't know what that injury was exactly.

Ive been happy with Brown's play since he has been here.[/quote]

Torn oblique I think. On one hand it could be a serious reason why he wasn't as good this year. On the other hand, it could be a weak excuse. And on the third hand, who do we hold accountable for a linebacker known for his athleticism (not his brains) trying to play through a major injury that would compromise his effectiveness? Jesus fuck'n christ.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Schneed10;1216044]I still don't understand the obsession over 3-4 vs 4-3. We flex between the two schemes. I don't care which we run, we need a defensive coordinator who's better at disguising and being aggressively unpredictable.[/quote]

Almost like a Grilliams, so to speak (he's the last coordinator I felt who was effective at disguising schemes).

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Schneed10;1216044]I still don't understand the obsession over 3-4 vs 4-3. We flex between the two schemes. I don't care which we run, we need a defensive coordinator who's better at disguising and being aggressively unpredictable.[/quote]

The only reason I brought it up is because Keim and JP Findlay said that some players have brought this up in conversations. I think Keim agrees with your sentiments, but he did say he feel that given the current personnel, it now makes sense to have this discussion.

Of course, this is a moot point until we know who's going to be the (hopefully) new defensive coordinator.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1216044]I still don't understand the obsession over 3-4 vs 4-3. We flex between the two schemes. I don't care which we run, we need a defensive coordinator who's better at disguising and being aggressively unpredictable.[/QUOTE]I don't like Allen, Payne and Ionnidas playing 2 gaps. They are our best defensive players and they are supposed to watch 2 gaps rather than get up field as their first responsibility.

Kerrigan and Smith are terrible in coverage and should never ever be dropped.

With our personnel, I think a 4-3 or single gap 3-4 would be better than the current 2 gap.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Schneed10;1216044]I still don't understand the obsession over 3-4 vs 4-3. We flex between the two schemes. I don't care which we run, we need a defensive coordinator who's better at disguising and being aggressively unpredictable.[/quote]

Honestly I can't wait to switch so we can stop hearing about it and people will see the change will mean pretty much nothing. Then in 5 years people will want to switch back to the 3-4.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

DL: Ionnidas, Payne, Allen

LB: Kerrigan, SDH, Foster, Allen

Of that front 7, five are Alabama guys who played together for 2-3 years in college.
Just saying ...

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1215978]Open a dictionary pal. Mmmmh, might be asking too much, you can use google:

[url]https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/feminism[/url][/quote] I go by the actions of a group. Not some dictionary definition that doesn't apply with reality. So get out of my face you she-male.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=httr198020;1216066]I go by the actions of a group. Not some dictionary definition that doesn't apply with reality. So get out of my face you she-male.[/quote]

:funnypost

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1216069]:funnypost[/quote] Don't you have a gender studies class to go to or something? Why are you harassing me?

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=httr198020;1216072]Don't you have a gender studies class to go to or something? Why are you harassing me?[/quote]

:funnypost

Side note you're the one calling me names but I'm the one harassing you... Totally makes sense.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1216051]I don't like Allen, Payne and Ionnidas playing 2 gaps. They are our best defensive players and they are supposed to watch 2 gaps rather than get up field as their first responsibility.

Kerrigan and Smith are terrible in coverage and should never ever be dropped.

With our personnel, I think a 4-3 or single gap 3-4 would be better than the current 2 gap.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/quote]

This is one of the points Cooley made, saying he thinks RK in particular is way more efficient when playing one gap than 2. We play base defense 30 to 40% of snaps but that is still a fair share of snaps, so I don't think it is that un-significant.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1216074]This is one of the points Cooley made, saying he thinks RK in particular is way more efficient when playing one gap than 2. We play base defense 30 to 40% of snaps but that is still a fair share of snaps, so I don't think it is that un-significant.[/QUOTE]Kerrigan typically plays 1 gap in the current scheme but he is way better with his hand in the dirt getting upfield as his first assignment.

He isnt good when he is forced to make a lot of decisions or reads quickly.

He literally can't cover any regular eligible receiver on any current nfl roster, so why put him in that position.

The 2 gap misuse of talent is really Allen, Payne and Ioannidas (the 3 down lineman). Even Settle is pretty fast twitch and can get up field. All of them can take a guard or center and put them in the qb's lap. Release the hounds and let them ball.

The misuse of Kerrigan and Smith's talent is not having them getting up field as their first assignment and playing run on the way to the qb.

They do rush frequently in base 3-4 but usually standing up. And every time either drops into coverage a cute baby animal surely dies.


Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=httr198020;1216072]Don't you have a gender studies class to go to or something? Why are you harassing me?[/quote]

This the best you can do? Don't half step being a message board bad ass. Whip that massive ego out and drop some knowledge on us.

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1216086]Kerrigan typically plays 1 gap in the current scheme but he is way better with his hand in the dirt getting upfield as his first assignment.

He isnt good when he is forced to make a lot of decisions or reads quickly.

He literally can't cover any regular eligible receiver on any current nfl roster, so why put him in that position.

The 2 gap misuse of talent is really Allen, Payne and Ioannidas (the 3 down lineman). Even Settle is pretty fast twitch and can get up field. All of them can take a guard or center and put them in the qb's lap. Release the hounds and let them ball.

The misuse of Kerrigan and Smith's talent is not having them getting up field as their first assignment and playing run on the way to the qb.

They do rush frequently in base 3-4 but usually standing up. And every time either drops into coverage a cute baby animal surely dies.


Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/quote]

Thanks, must have misunderstood part of what I heard. Makes 100% sense put this way!

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/when-or-if-reuben-foster-plays-redskins-what-happens-linebacker"]When, or if, Reuben Foster plays for the Redskins, what happens at linebacker? [/URL]

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=MTK;1216312][URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/when-or-if-reuben-foster-plays-redskins-what-happens-linebacker"]When, or if, Reuben Foster plays for the Redskins, what happens at linebacker? [/URL][/quote]

They should draft Khalil Hodge out of Buffalo U.....he's a 3rd round guy that's a 2nd round talent..

Re: Charges against Reuben Foster dropped
 

[quote=Schneed10;1216044]I still don't understand the obsession over 3-4 vs 4-3. We flex between the two schemes. I don't care which we run, we need a defensive coordinator who's better at disguising and being aggressively unpredictable.[/quote]

This. Not to mention The Skins have been running a 3-4 defense for eleven years now. They don't have a 4-3 personnel anymore.