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[quote=los panda;1223203]Speaking of Montana, he wasn't able to wear Len Dawson's #16 in KC after winning 4 Super Bowls with the 49ers.

Haskins won a Rose Bowl.[/quote]

Without checking I think Montana was 19 at KC.

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If Haskins is the guy I don’t care what number he wears! This team has way too many issues to worry about about a number.. this team needs to move forward and give the new fans a taste of what us old guys experienced.. it seems like a lifetime ago since the glory days! Part of the issue is looking back and trying to find a connection to the past.. Bruce is here because of his dads past with skins.. lots of folks are here because of past.. that should have nothing To do with it! We need the best football people in this organization regardless of the past.. look at teams around the league that are successful they are bringing in young guys for front office and coaches.. I love what the skins did back in the day but that was then .. this is now

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[quote=rocnrik;1223207]If Haskins is the guy I don’t care what number he wears! This team has way too many issues to worry about about a number.. this team needs to move forward and give the new fans a taste of what us old guys experienced.. it seems like a lifetime ago since the glory days! Part of the issue is looking back and trying to find a connection to the past.. Bruce is here because of his dads past with skins.. lots of folks are here because of past.. that should have nothing To do with it! We need the best football people in this organization regardless of the past.. look at teams around the league that are successful they are bringing in young guys for front office and coaches.. I love what the skins did back in the day but that was then .. this is now[/quote]

Agree, also as good as Joe was he is no Elway or Favre. That number shouldn't be retired

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223206]Without checking I think Montana was 19 at KC.[/quote]

You are correct, Sir. #16 with the 49ers and #19 with the Chiefs.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223209]Agree, also as good as Joe was he is no Elway or Favre. That number shouldn't be retired[/quote]

Are you talking about Len Dawson's #16 with the Chiefs or Joe Montana's #16 with the 49ers?

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[quote=los panda;1223223]Are you talking about Len Dawson's #16 with the Chiefs or Joe Montana's #16 with the 49ers?[/quote]

Montana won 5 rings and is regarded as a top 5 QB of all time by many. Joe Theisman was a good QB not Elite.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223225]Montana won 5 rings and is regarded as a top 5 QB of all time by many. Joe Theisman was a good QB not Elite.[/quote]

4 rings.

You meant Joey T's #7, I gotcha.

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[quote=los panda;1223227]4 rings.

You meant Joey T's #7, I gotcha.[/quote]

yes 4 forgot about that Steve Young guy lol

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i know joe t. won a super bowl here. but think people would be surprised if they looked at his stats. very average. but benefited from that strong running game

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Danny Wuerffel is weeping in a corner somewhere.

#7 won a Heisman, won a National Championship in the Sugar Bowl, wore #17 with the Redskins. Am I crazy or did he also wear #14 with us at one point?

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[quote=Schneed10;1223158]Is that a feather in Theismann's cap, or an indication of just how inept the Skins have been since?[/quote]Thank you,hell the man's name is in the team ring of honor!!

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[quote=Burgold;1223262]Thank you,hell the man's name is in the team ring of honor!![/quote]

And that's good enough. It's just a number. Seriously ... Just a number.

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Look, I know that his number isn't retired,but having your number set aside signifies that you've done special things in your career for yourself and your team..but Joe may give it to the kid anyhow!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223229]yes 4 forgot about that Steve Young guy lol[/quote]

The defenses Steve Young had did not compare to Joe's. I think if you swapped them out the results would have been a lot closer.

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[quote=dmek25;1223255]i know joe t. won a super bowl here. but think people would be surprised if they looked at his stats. very average. but benefited from that strong running game[/quote]

Different era. Different time. That was back when having an elite running back was worth more than the quarterback. But still, Joey T got the 'skins to two Super Bowls. In the end, if Theismann is OK with Haskins wearing #7, then I'm OK with it too. If JT had an issue with it, then I'm sure Haskins would have been OK wearing Doug Williams' old number. I think it's going to bring us good luck having #7 out there again.

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What was JT supposed to say? Of course he's going to give his blessing. But if you got him off the record and behind closed doors, he'd probably say he prefers Haskins wear another #.

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I still think it was classy of Joe T. to offer Haskins his number. He didn't have to do it.

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Ultimately it’s up to the team to give out a number. I would hope behind the scenes Joe has not only said ok to Haskins but the team checked with him too.


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Weve been losing seasons for like 25 years. What number someone wears shouldn't even be a conversation, imo. Ita like the house being on fire, but worrying if the toaster is ok. There are much bigger things to worry about and speak on, on this team. I get that people have an emotional attachment to the era when we were winning...but imo it just doesn't matter. Win games. That's all that matters. It's such a shit show of a franchise anymore that this is what the fan base is concerned with...what number our rookie QB wears. As an aside....I would always take the number 69. Like.....always.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223328]What was JT supposed to say? Of course he's going to give his blessing. But if you got him off the record and behind closed doors, he'd probably say he prefers Haskins wear another #.[/quote]

I couldn't disagree more... If Theismann gave his blessing, Theismann meant it. He's never been someone who is stuck in his legacy. He's a Redskins fan and he's always going to supportive of the new QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223328][B][I]What was JT supposed to say?[/I][/B] Of course he's going to give his blessing. But if you got him off the record and behind closed doors, he'd probably say he prefers Haskins wear another #.[/quote]


I would wager to say that he could have said no.

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JT didn't have to say anything publically. But as we know Joey loves to talk so this was right up his alley.

The team needs to do something already to address the protected/unofficially retired numbers deal. Start retiring some numbers or let them be worn. It's not that hard. I say if you're a HOF player the number should be retired. JT falls into a gray area, not HOF, but still a very important player in the team's history.

Re: Number Seven Belongs To Theismann
 

I think Joe did the classy and right thing. Haskins asked Theismann the right way and Joe answered in the way to help out the team without making it an issue.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/06/peter-king-its-silly-think-redskins-qb-joe-theismann-was-an-all-time-great/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.201cac4e0715[/url]

Peter is spot on.

Joe is no legend

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223424][URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/06/peter-king-its-silly-think-redskins-qb-joe-theismann-was-an-all-time-great/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.201cac4e0715[/URL]

Peter is spot on.

Joe is no legend[/quote]


Bullshit!
Joe has been the most recognizable Redskin over the last 40 years.
No only did he win a SB but he was also on national television for over a decade. most importantly, he was good looking and banged a ton of chicks!



If #7 isn't a legend then neither is Nameth.


Also, F Peter King!

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[quote=jamf;1223430]Bullshit!
Joe has been the most recognizable Redskin over the last 40 years.
No only did he win a SB but he was also on national television for over a decade. most importantly, he was good looking and banged a ton of chicks!



If #7 isn't a legend then neither is Nameth.


Also, F Peter King![/quote]

well said...Strong agree :biggthump

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[quote=jamf;1223430]Bullshit!
Joe has been the most recognizable Redskin over the last 40 years.
No only did he win a SB but he was also on national television for over a decade. most importantly, he was good looking and banged a ton of chicks!



If #7 isn't a legend then neither is Nameth.


Also, F Peter King![/quote]

He's a legend to skins fans but overall? He had very avg numbers, I love Joe the broadcaster, never saw him play so I don't want to diss the guy but stats never lie. He does have a ring but so does Rypien and Doug. Are their numbers retired?

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Joe T is a REDSKIN legend!! Here are other Skin Legends... Art Monk,Riggo,Darrel Green,Mark Mosley,the Hogs.. Dexter,Grant,Charles Mann and Doug Williams..fun bunch.. heck even the scabs who won games during the strike are legends to me😀!! You can’t retire all the numbers.. I hope Haskins career is as successful as Joe T was! In my opinion the single most important person in the history of the Redskins is Coach Joe Gibbs!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223433]He's a legend to skins fans but overall? He had very avg numbers, I love Joe the broadcaster, never saw him play so I don't want to diss the guy but stats never lie. He does have a ring but so does Rypien and Doug. Are their numbers retired?[/quote]

Actually, I see the issue of his status among Redskin fans as being the most relevant factor. While he may not be great from an all-NFL perspective, within the Redskins franchise itself, Joe T started the most games, passed the most yards, and threw the most touchdowns. The QB position has always been the primary position in football, and the franchise is 80+ years old, so the guy who managed to be the all-time leader in these stats would reasonably create among fans some special sentiment for his number. I assume King didn’t address this angle of it. (Although I admit not having read it, because I no longer read anything he writes.)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223433]He's a legend to skins fans but overall? He had very avg numbers, I love Joe the broadcaster, never saw him play so I don't want to diss the guy but stats never lie. He does have a ring but so does Rypien and Doug. Are their numbers retired?[/quote]


QB1 Best Season: 3400yards, 23 TDs Won the Superbowl


QB2 Best Season: 4900yards, 25 TDS, Missed the playoffs


QB1 is a Cowboy legend and FOX broadcaster.

QB2 is a highly paid "just a guy" in Minnesota.



You can't compare stats from 80s/Early 90s.

You also have to factor in charisma/likability.


Nameth doesn't have good stats and isn't an elite QB but he had giant balls, won the biggest game he played in, and banged Farrah Fawcett. LEGEND!

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;1223441]Actually, I see the issue of his status among Redskin fans as being the most relevant factor. While he may not be great from an all-NFL perspective, within the Redskins franchise itself, Joe T started the most games, passed the most yards, and threw the most touchdowns. The QB position has always been the primary position in football, and the franchise is 80+ years old, so the guy who managed to be the all-time leader in these stats would reasonably create among fans some special sentiment for his number. I assume King didn’t address this angle of it. ([B]Although I admit not having read it, because I no longer read anything he writes[/B].)[/quote]

Yup...I saw King walking around the training camp. He's a self promoting bum like most in media these days. PK is Straight trash

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Theismann is a Skins legend no doubt, but let's be honest he's not a Hall of Famer. Doug Williams is also another team legend, but we seemed to have no problem with Jason Campbell wearing #17.

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[quote=MTK;1223478]Theismann is a Skins legend no doubt, but let's be honest he's not a Hall of Famer. Doug Williams is also another team legend, but we seemed to have no problem with Jason Campbell wearing #17.[/quote]

Or John Friesz, Danny Wuerffel, Rob Johnson, Michael Floyd, etc. I think because it's been happening since the mid 90's, nobody batted an eye.

But since no one has worn #7 since Theisman, it's a little different feeling here in 2019.

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[quote=MTK;1223478]Theismann is a Skins legend no doubt, but let's be honest he's not a Hall of Famer. Doug Williams is also another team legend, but we seemed to have no problem with Jason Campbell wearing #17.[/quote]

Exactly

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[quote=jamf;1223442]QB1 Best Season: 3400yards, 23 TDs Won the Superbowl


QB2 Best Season: 4900yards, 25 TDS, Missed the playoffs


QB1 is a Cowboy legend and FOX broadcaster.

QB2 is a highly paid "just a guy" in Minnesota.



You can't compare stats from 80s/Early 90s.

You also have to factor in charisma/likability.


Nameth doesn't have good stats and isn't an elite QB but he had giant balls, won the biggest game he played in, and banged Farrah Fawcett. LEGEND![/quote]

Ever since they outlawed the head slap over 40 years ago the rules have evolved on a yearly basis to favor the offense. You really have to compare a QB against his peers in the same era. One stat has meant the same for 100 years and that is wins and loses. Theisman's .629 win rate puts him ahead of a lot of good quarterbacks. Also of note Theisman has a career rating of 77.4. Hall of Famer Dan Fouts who played almost the exact time as Joe was a 80.2.

Against his peers Theisman was around 10th place year in year out in stats. He was a consistent winner. Who knows if he was on one of those teams at the time without a good defense or running game, where he would have been stat wise. He didn't need to throw for 300 yards a game like Fouts to try to win. Fouts only won half his games.

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[quote=jamf;1223430]Bullshit!
Joe has been the most recognizable Redskin over the last 40 years.
No only did he win a SB but he was also on national television for over a decade. most importantly, he was good looking and banged a ton of chicks!



If #7 isn't a legend then neither is Nameth.


Also, F Peter King![/quote]

I would be curious if long time NFL fans that followed other teams were asked to name the first Redskin from the past that comes to mind who they pick. I would venture a guess Riggins would come up a lot. As for Namath he got a lot of mileage out that big Super Bowl upset and a couple years in a row of insanely high passing yardage totals for the era.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1223494]I would be curious if long time NFL fans that followed other teams were asked to name the first Redskin from the past that comes to mind who they pick. I would venture a guess Riggins would come up a lot. As for Namath he got a lot of mileage out that big Super Bowl upset and a couple years in a row of insanely high passing yardage totals for the era.[/quote]

Monk

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If it's OK with Joe and the Redskins brass, then it's OK with me.

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As far as I am concerned, if they are still making #81 and #28 available, than they sure as hell can give out #7.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1223539]As far as I am concerned, if they are still making #81 and #28 available, than they sure as hell can give out #7.[/quote]

Yep. Which both of those should be retired IMO