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He needs to show a lot early, or else McLovin' is going to take his spot opposite PRich. I could see that happening anyway. I think Gruden is hoping someone rises up and earns that starting spot. Aren't we all?

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[quote=calia;1224781]He needs to show a lot early, or else McLovin' is going to take his spot opposite PRich. I could see that happening anyway. I think Gruden is hoping someone rises up and earns that starting spot. Aren't we all?[/quote]

If the early offseason reviews are to believed Cam Sims might be making a good impression.

Honestly I'd rather Cam Sims take away Doctson's starting job than a rookie. I know it's only Sims 2nd year but I feel like most young receivers need experience before they really learn how to master the position. McLaurin just needs to keep working, he will be fine in due time.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=mooby;1224782]If the early offseason reviews are to believed Cam Sims might be making a good impression.

Honestly I'd rather Cam Sims take away Doctson's starting job than a rookie. I know it's only Sims 2nd year but I feel like most young receivers need experience before they really learn how to master the position. McLaurin just needs to keep working, he will be fine in due time.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong, I like Sims a lot, but he's basically in the same position as McLaurin having lost his rookie year (although able to study the game while laid up). My guess is that our WRs will be PRich, McLaurin, Sims, Quinn, Harmon, and Doctson, and other that PRich, it's likely up for grabs as to who plays. Would love to see a jumbo WR package of Sims and Harmon for jump balls -- that would be hard to defend.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay on them team ?
 

I have absolutely huge hopes for Sims.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[QUOTE=los panda;1224712]He's definitely a bust.



Maybe he sticks around the league for a decade like former 1st rd pick DHB, but he's not a #1.



In the past 5 seasons, Heyward-Bey has had double digit receptions once. I guess he brings the heat on special teams? #hellinashell[/QUOTE]



Damn. What happened to McCardell? You had me believing. [emoji22]

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

to answer the question, anything. because he hasnt done a thing to even be on the team this season

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=dmek25;1224838]to answer the question, anything. because he hasnt done a thing to even be on the team this season[/quote]

He was a first round pick and unfortunately that's enough.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=MTK;1224853]He was a first round pick and unfortunately that's enough.[/quote]

Gotta give 'em every chance to succeed before you toss them like a bad habit.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

I think the reality is that Doctson will likely be gone next year no matter what. Either he does poorly and we move on. Or he does well and we aren't likely to pay him what he might get on the open market and he leaves. I do not imagine that we'll pay a lot with 1 strong season in 4, and another team may be more willing to take that gamble. I also suspect that most players are disinclined to stick around when teams do not exercise the option, and so he's eyes will be on the door anyway.

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Doctson's one year wonder will occur this year....he's Michael Westbrook 2.0....Westbrook was also a 1st round pick and a WR and he only had one good year (1999)....

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

If he produced at 1999 Westbrook level this year that be pretty damn good for us and he would earn himself a nice payday

I don't see it happening though

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=punch it in;1224836]Damn. What happened to McCardell? You had me believing. [emoji22][/quote]

I hope I'm wrong.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[QUOTE=los panda;1224959]I hope I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]



If your anything like me you are [emoji23]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1224897]If he produced at 1999 Westbrook level this year that be pretty damn good for us and he would earn himself a nice payday



I don't see it happening though[/QUOTE]



Damn if i had known when we drafted him we were setting his standards at westbrook level id have jumped off the closest bridge

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/38665[/url]

"I think I'm hitting free agency next year. I won't be the first, won't be the last," he said. "It's nothing to be sad about, be mad about. Someone wants you there, so it's all love."

So.. Is he even going to make the team? LMAO.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1225057][url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/38665[/url]

"I think I'm hitting free agency next year. I won't be the first, won't be the last," he said. "It's nothing to be sad about, be mad about. Someone wants you there, so it's all love."

So.. Is he even going to make the team? LMAO.[/quote]

He just sounds like a loser.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1225058]He just sounds like a loser.[/quote]

Yeah during OTA's when he said "I don't have to prove anything" was alarming and now it just appears that he is soft as tissue and doesn't really love the game. Another wasted first rd pick on a WR

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

I think Doc is one of those guys that plays football cause he's good at it, Westbrook was that way. He's good enough to play very well in college but not good enough to be a good, consistent NFL wr. He doesn't have the fire in his belly ( stealing a line from Bruce) to be a great player. However I do believe that if he goes to another team with an established QB and better staff that his production would improve.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

Might be right about the work ethic. Even if he busted his tail though I still think he'd have a ceiling because he's just not sudden enough with his breaks to separate from DBs at this level. His athleticism was enough in the defensively challenged Big 12. Not enough here.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

With quotes like that who knows if he even makes the final 53. What's his cap hit for this year?

If I had to guess I'd say he sticks but only because they might need him if/when injuries happen.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1225057][url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/38665[/url]

"I think I'm hitting free agency next year. I won't be the first, won't be the last," he said. "It's nothing to be sad about, be mad about. Someone wants you there, so it's all love."

So.. Is he even going to make the team? LMAO.[/quote]

After seeing that article they should just release him now.....if by week 6 Doctson has something like 9 catches for 126 yards and 1 td the team should cut ties....because Doctson will be on his way to yet another below average year.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1225069]After seeing that article they should just release him now.....if by week 6 Doctson has something like 9 catches for 126 yards and 1 td the team should cut ties....because Doctson will be on his way to yet another below average year.[/quote]

Only if they need the roster spot to fill a hole that may pop up due to injury.

Like him or not he’s still definitely one of our top six WRs - as sad a state of affairs as that is.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

I'm over the dude, time to move on. Rather have Sims and Harris take his role

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

in the article

"We just have to get hopefully more production for [Doctson] and he gets more opportunities," Redskins coach Jay Gruden said. "I can't promise he's going to get a ton of opportunities with the group of guys that we have. With Jordan Reed and Chris Thompson healthy, they're still going get their opportunities. With watching Terry play, he's going to get his, and we haven't even talked about Paul. Trey Quinn is going to get some. [B][U]The whole intent of this offense is to spread the ball around[/U][/B]."

Find your role in the offense. This how other teams have to operate when you don't have a Julio Jones type talent at the #1

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[quote=Chico23231;1225087]in the article

"We just have to get hopefully more production for [Doctson] and he gets more opportunities," Redskins coach Jay Gruden said. "I can't promise he's going to get a ton of opportunities with the group of guys that we have. With Jordan Reed and Chris Thompson healthy, they're still going get their opportunities. With watching Terry play, he's going to get his, and we haven't even talked about Paul. Trey Quinn is going to get some. [B][U]The whole intent of this offense is to spread the ball around[/U][/B]."

Find your role in the offense. This how other teams have to operate when you don't have a Julio Jones type talent at the #1[/quote]

Jordan Reed healthy? Pipe Dream.
In what world does Gruden live in?
This is why our team has issues. Our head coach and FO are actually counting on Jordan Reed to be healthy. What a joke. Reed will have a concussion and strained leg muscle by game 3. If they even let him play. Chances are they will not play him in training Camp and Preseason and wait until game 1 to play him in full contact football.

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[quote=Defensewins;1225089]Jordan Reed healthy? Pipe Dream.
In what world does Gruden live in?
This is why our team has issues. Our head coach and FO are actually counting on Jordan Reed to be healthy. What a joke. Reed will have a concussion and strained leg muscle by game 3. If they even let him play. Chances are they will not play him in training Camp and Preseason and wait until game 1 to play him in full contact football.[/quote]

Yeah I keep seeing articles saying how important Reed is to the 2019 team... If they are banking on his glass made self we are screwed.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1225090]Yeah I keep seeing articles saying how important Reed is to the 2019 team... If they are banking on his glass made self we are screwed.[/quote]

I just don't get why he is still on the roster with a 2019 cap hit of $9,674,125.
It is only $3,600,000 cap hit if we release him right now.
That would save us $6,074,125 in cap space and I would sign sign a real LG or a back up LT or a real blocking TE.
Reed's cap hit in 2020 will be $10,300,000.
His cap hit if we release him then will only be $1,800,000.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=Defensewins;1225092]I just don't get why he is still on the roster with a 2019 cap hit of $9,674,125.
It is only $3,600,000 cap hit if we release him right now.
That would save us $6,074,125 in cap space and I would sign sign a real LG or a back up LT or a real blocking TE.
Reed's cap hit in 2020 will be $10,300,000.
His cap hit if we release him then will only be $1,800,000.[/quote]

He hasn't been traded because no one would be interested in him....he hasn't been cut because the coaches still have a glint of hope that he will be more than productive in 2019.....or they could be looking to cut him during the preseason when the first signs show that he is being outshined by three or four other WRs.....

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

Reed is still here because until else someone steps up, he's easily our most proven target (when healthy of course).

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

Let's face it - Doctson is a draft bust. The only reason he's still on the team is because we keep letting 1,000 yd WRs move on to other teams. It will be tough to watch DeSean Jackson play against us, back with the Eagles, when we could have kept him. Instead, we keep waiting for the mystical miracle of Doctson playing to his "supposed potential".

He won't be here next year, because he doesn't have what it takes to be a good or even very good WR in the NFL.

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This is it for Doctson,put up or get out,another wasted draft choice.

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[quote=Chico23231;1225087]in the article

"We just have to get hopefully more production for [Doctson] and he gets more opportunities," Redskins coach Jay Gruden said. "I can't promise he's going to get a ton of opportunities with the group of guys that we have. With Jordan Reed and Chris Thompson healthy, they're still going get their opportunities. With watching Terry play, he's going to get his, and we haven't even talked about Paul. Trey Quinn is going to get some. [B][U]The whole intent of this offense is to spread the ball around[/U][/B]."

Find your role in the offense. This how other teams have to operate when you don't have a Julio Jones type talent at the #1[/quote]

Exactly, "Spreading it around" means that Doctson won't get much of a chance to excel, even if he had the talent. His time to shine was last season and he just doesn't have it. 2019 is his last year as a Redskin and another WR draft choice down the drain.

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Fuck Josh Doctson

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1225335]Fuck Josh Doctson[/quote]

You said it! I want to see some of the other WR get some playtime. One or more will have a breakout season. Playing Doctson is just a waste.

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[quote=MTK;1225197]Reed is still here because until else someone steps up, he's easily our most proven target (when healthy of course).[/quote]


Same goes for CT. Both guys will probably account for 10-16 missed games this year but when on the field, they are elite.

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[quote=Defensewins;1225092]I just don't get why he is still on the roster with a 2019 cap hit of $9,674,125.
It is only $3,600,000 cap hit if we release him right now.
That would save us $6,074,125 in cap space and I would sign sign a real LG or a back up LT or a real blocking TE.
Reed's cap hit in 2020 will be $10,300,000.
His cap hit if we release him then will only be $1,800,000.[/quote]

On top of the games he misses he plays banged up to the point of being useless a handful of games a year. In his whole Redskin career he has only been healthy enough to make an impact in half the games. As he gets older that will only get worse.

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I know this Old news that we have talkd about before .....but what kills me is this type of logic or lack of logic:
[URL="https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/redskins-outside-consultants-fix-injury-woes/"]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/redskins-outside-consultants-fix-injury-woes/[/URL]

"So after another injury plagued campaign, Redskins team president Bruce Allen brought in outside consultants who are experts in the field, and asked them to take a look at everything related to the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of injuries.
Allen said the Redskins wanted to leave the slate as blank as possible."

Anyone that looks at our draft history sprinkled with drafting injured players (we had one this year) that our FO sees as a bargain. We drafted players that dropped because of injury concerns (example Guice). We also signed Free Agent WR (example Paul Richardson Jr.) to a big contract that has a history of missing time due to injures. Then we re-sign a TE (Reed) that has a huge history of concussions and injures going all the way back to college and High School to a big contract because...reasons I have heard....we do not have a replacement....he is the best TE when healthy...we hope he can stay healthy.....We hope.
Then we wonder why we have so many injuries. it doesn't take a high priced consultant to see part of the problem.

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[quote=Defensewins;1225438]I know this Old news that we have talkd about before .....but what kills me is this type of logic or lack of logic:
[URL="https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/redskins-outside-consultants-fix-injury-woes/"]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/redskins-outside-consultants-fix-injury-woes/[/URL]

"So after another injury plagued campaign, Redskins team president Bruce Allen brought in outside consultants who are experts in the field, and asked them to take a look at everything related to the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of injuries.
Allen said the Redskins wanted to leave the slate as blank as possible."

Anyone that looks at our draft history sprinkled with drafting injured players (we had one this year) that our FO sees as a bargain. We drafted players that dropped because of injury concerns (example Guice). We also signed Free Agent WR (example Paul Richardson Jr.) to a big contract that has a history of missing time due to injures. Then we re-sign a TE (Reed) that has a huge history of concussions and injures going all the way back to college and High School to a big contract because...reasons I have heard....we do not have a replacement....he is the best TE when healthy...we hope he can stay healthy.....We hope.
Then we wonder why we have so many injuries. it doesn't take a high priced consultant to see part of the problem.[/quote]

Well, we signed Alex Smith, a veteran QB with a history of being durable, yet he has a freak accident and he's gone for the season. Schreff also didn't have a history of injuries (I think), and he went down. So our two biggest/most impactful injuries this year happened with players that didn't have a history of injuries.

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

[quote=Defensewins;1225438]I know this Old news that we have talkd about before .....but what kills me is this type of logic or lack of logic:
[URL="https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/redskins-outside-consultants-fix-injury-woes/"]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/redskins-outside-consultants-fix-injury-woes/[/URL]

"So after another injury plagued campaign, Redskins team president Bruce Allen brought in outside consultants who are experts in the field, and asked them to take a look at everything related to the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of injuries.
Allen said the Redskins wanted to leave the slate as blank as possible."

Anyone that looks at our draft history sprinkled with drafting injured players (we had one this year) that our FO sees as a bargain. We drafted players that dropped because of injury concerns (example Guice). We also signed Free Agent WR (example Paul Richardson Jr.) to a big contract that has a history of missing time due to injures. Then we re-sign a TE (Reed) that has a huge history of concussions and injures going all the way back to college and High School to a big contract because...reasons I have heard....we do not have a replacement....he is the best TE when healthy...we hope he can stay healthy.....We hope.
Then we wonder why we have so many injuries. it doesn't take a high priced consultant to see part of the problem.[/quote]

I agree with you. We tend to draft guys who fall in the draft due to injury issues and then are surprised when they get hurt in the NFL. We keep players like Reed who miss much of the season, year after year, due to concussions or injuries. Then we have to retain old dudes like Vernon Davis to back Reed up for when he is hurt!

some injuries, like alex smith and Colt mccoy are just part of being in the NFL. But the team just has to make the tough choices with explosive players like Reed. He's outstanding, when he's 100%, but would it not be better to get a young guy who may not have as much upside but can play every game?

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

They'll probably continue to target him 2-3 times a game and then bitch that he isn't catching 10 passes a game. This organization is run by idiots.

Doctson will go elsewhere and make the Skins look completely stupid, which they are.