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[quote=Chico23231;1225967][url]https://mobile.twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1156751153255915521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1156751153255915521&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2F50126%2Fwatch-biden-puts-dagger-gillibrand-audience-erupts-ryan-saavedra[/url]

Biden just finished the dumb blond off as well

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1156750871998320640[/url]


Savage.[/quote]
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[quote=Schneed10;1225973][IMG]https://thisdayintechhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/mortal_kombat_finish_him.png[/IMG][/quote]

Exactly

They need a royal rumble to get some of these clowns off the stage

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[quote=Chico23231;1225979]Exactly

They need a royal rumble to get some of these clowns off the stage[/quote]

chico , you have a short selective memory...................


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[QUOTE=Giantone;1226005]chico , you have a short selective memory...................





[IMG]http://freedomslighthouse.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2016possiblegopcontenders101.jpg[/IMG]





[IMG]http://www.quickmeme.com/img/0a/0acb9483125dc755fc5287cdd9be3527b61a97c8552734cd461d0c58816135e2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]Pretty sure there was much mocking taking place around that crazy bunch as well

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Funny that our eventual President came out of that clown show in 2016... makes you wonder about this time around

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[QUOTE=MTK;1226083]Funny that our eventual President came out of that clown show in 2016... makes you wonder about this time around[/QUOTE]We can only hope not.

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[quote=MTK;1226083]Funny that our eventual President came out of that clown show in 2016... makes you wonder about this time around[/quote]

Yup , scares the hell out of me.............................

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People keep talking about changing the country and how major functions within the economy, government, etc should be change.

I think how we elect the president should definitely be changed. I’m not talking about the electoral college either. This wasteful song and dance is tiring, insignificant too a point and extremely wasteful of money.it’s a clown show for the gop as well as the dems. No question

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[quote=Chico23231;1226107]
I think how we elect the president should definitely be changed. I’m not talking about the electoral college either. This wasteful song and dance is tiring, insignificant too a point and extremely wasteful of money.it’s a clown show for the gop as well as the dems. No question[/quote]

The reason why it becomes a clown show is the candidates are fighting to get votes from people that have next to no understanding of how the government works and simple economics. Both sides have people that aren't the brightest tools in the shed voting for them and those people are easily influenced.

I know a lot of things can be staged these days, but some of the street interviews about subjects related to politics can produce some pretty shocking results. One of my favorite were a handful of people waiting in line for housing vouchers who thought Obama was spending his own money on them. Another interesting one is the answer when asked how much the President of the USA makes, a lot of people think he makes what a CEO of a Fortune 500 company does.

I think there should be a basic test to qualify for the right to vote, then you won't have candidates promising boat loads of free crap without explaining a feasible way to pay for it, or making pie in the sky promises you know they can't keep.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1226107]People keep talking about changing the country and how major functions within the economy, government, etc should be change.



I think how we elect the president should definitely be changed. I’m not talking about the electoral college either. This wasteful song and dance is tiring, insignificant too a point and extremely wasteful of money.it’s a clown show for the gop as well as the dems. No question[/QUOTE]A huge problem is the bureacracies of the government and two parties are so entrenched the needed reforms can't really happen

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I would have posted on this earlier but I was waiting for my free internet.

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Beto aka Beta is out. I thought he may have some good ideas...but his positions turned to comedy. So is the strategy to sound more crazy than the next person among the field?

Gun confiscation?

Bye bye beta...the guy who married rich into privilege. What a cunt

Maybe beta should actually look at the facts, here is George Mason economics Professor Walter Williams:


[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/williams-gun-grabbers-misleading-us[/url]

He throws in a nugget about for all the Venezuelan socialists apologists:

“Venezuela dictator Nicolas Maduro banned private gun ownership in 2012. The result is that Venezuelans had no way to protect themselves from criminals and government troops who preyed upon them. After Fidel Castro’s demand for gun confiscation, he said, “Armas para que?” (“Guns, for what?”) [B]Cubans later found out.[/B]”

Bigly: “When Beto quit like … he quit like a dog”

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226124]A huge problem is the bureacracies of the government and two parties are so entrenched the needed reforms can't really happen

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I agree . IMHO.............. when it comes to the Presidency there should be no party votes. I mean everyone should have a say in who the Candates are.just not Dems or Reb's. Open all primary;s to all voters and let the best person be elected .Not saying for all elections but just the Presidency.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236077]Beto aka Beta is out. I thought he may have some good ideas...but his positions turned to comedy. So is the strategy to sound more crazy than the next person among the field?

Gun confiscation?

Bye bye beta...the guy who married rich into privilege. What a cunt

Maybe beta should actually look at the facts, here is George Mason economics Professor Walter Williams:


[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/williams-gun-grabbers-misleading-us[/url]

He throws in a nugget about for all the Venezuelan socialists apologists:

“Venezuela dictator Nicolas Maduro banned private gun ownership in 2012. The result is that Venezuelans had no way to protect themselves from criminals and government troops who preyed upon them. After Fidel Castro’s demand for gun confiscation, he said, “Armas para que?” (“Guns, for what?”) [B]Cubans later found out.[/B]”

Bigly: “When Beto quit like … he quit like a dog”[/quote]

Will nobody take the bait?

Fine, I will.

I would like to see all guns banned. In a perfect world of rainbows and daises we'd all love one another, and guns would only shoot flower pedals. Banning guns brings us one step closer to that reality!

You got me Chico.

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I hope everyone paid attention to Britain last night and saw the lesson that was learned the hard way for communist Jeremy Corbyn. that was a shellacking

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You really consider him a communist?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1239275]You really consider him a communist?[/quote]

Tongue in cheek, but he has certainly exhibited Marxist views in the past, been and proudly but certainly Bernie Sanders has as well and even more so than Corbyn...In fact Bernie has coddled and embraced communist regimes.


But yeah that was a garbage showing last by Corbyn and believe me the message was loud and clear to the Dems

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Maybe now they can finally move on with Brexit and get a trade deal in place. Dragging this out has been bad for the British economy.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1239279]Maybe now they can finally move on with Brexit and get a trade deal in place. Dragging this out has been bad for the British economy.[/quote]

agree, get it over with. Most companies have already made plans or completed structural and regulatory changes who do business in the UK...most prepared for a "hard Brexit".

Now this becomes another bigly opportunity for the US trade-wise as well. We can be more competitive than the EU...bet on it.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1239279]Maybe now they can finally move on with Brexit and get a trade deal in place. Dragging this out has been bad for the British economy.[/quote]

I feel like it's going to happen without a deal in place. We'll make a deal with them for sure but they're still going to suffer hard losses from losing business with the rest of the EU.

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[quote=mooby;1239289]I feel like it's going to happen without a deal in place. We'll make a deal with them for sure but [B]they're still going to suffer hard losses from losing business with the rest of the EU[/B].[/quote]

You sure about that? You think its honky dory with the EU right now?...we gonna forget about Italy, France, Greece, and others economies struggles/MISMANAGEMENT since the recovery? I certainly don't think Corbyn really cared one way or the other about Brexit...he cared more about a socialist agenda which centered around a redistribution of wealth which would cost hundreds of billions of dollars...this was clearly rejected by the people of the UK.

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[quote=mooby;1239289]I feel like it's going to happen without a deal in place. We'll make a deal with them for sure but they're still going to suffer hard losses from losing business with the rest of the EU.[/quote]

Sorry I meant they can finally make a deal with E.U. If I am Trump I wouldn't even bother making a trade deal with UK. Go straight to the E.U. more consumers, higher purchasing power, and not worry about a country that has very little to offer in terms of purchase power and is about to have their cost of goods sky rocket.

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[quote=Chico23231;1239297]You sure about that? You think its honky dory with the EU right now?...we gonna forget about Italy, France, Greece, and others economies struggles/MISMANAGEMENT since the recovery? I certainly don't think Corbyn really cared one way or the other about Brexit...he cared more about a socialist agenda which centered around a redistribution of wealth which would cost hundreds of billions of dollars...this was clearly rejected by the people of the UK.[/quote]

I think it's the exact opposite with the EU right now, the UK made their bed and now they need to sleep in it. The EU is probably ready for this to be over.

I don't know enough about UK politics to have an opinion on Corbyn, but obviously the people didn't want him. I'm rooting for Boris Johnson, he seems like a dunce but for the people's sake I hope he comes up with a successful Brexit.

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/elizabeth-warren-choice-medicare-for-all-transition-iowa/index.html[/url]

In a rhetorical shift, Elizabeth Warren emphasizes 'choice' on health care

Of course this coward is backtracking on her biggest campaign platform. It doesn’t work and never will folks.

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I wonder why Pete Buttegig keeps going out of his way to improve his standing in the black community. He is wasting his time and money. I figure there isn't a liberal on the planet that will admit why.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1239851]I wonder why Pete Buttegig keeps going out of his way to improve his standing in the black community. He is wasting his time and money. I figure there isn't a liberal on the planet that will admit why.[/QUOTE]



Probably for the same reason Trump is


[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/donald-trump-makes-an-awkward-pitch-to-black-voters-in-atlanta[/url]


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[quote=MTK;1239857]Probably for the same reason Trump is


[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/donald-trump-makes-an-awkward-pitch-to-black-voters-in-atlanta[/url]


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'Bout sums it up for me:

[IMG]https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/11/blacksfortrump.jpg?resize=600,800[/IMG]

[url]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/shirts-blacks-for-trump/[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1239863]'Bout sums it up for me:

[IMG]https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/11/blacksfortrump.jpg?resize=600,800[/IMG]

[url]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/shirts-blacks-for-trump/[/url][/quote]

Joe Biden will try anything to bring down Trump.

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LOL, blacks for trump...............


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Elizabeth Warren hates people that suffer from asbestos.

I now assume that Bill Jacobson from Cornell Law is some sort of Trump agent. The rules are: lying is not only acceptable its encouraged as long as you are a lefty.

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As a Giants fan you have a sick obsession with our site. Go shit your pants on a Giants thread.

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You can't make this shit (pun intended) up.

[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/cleanup-in-aisle-3-horrifying-scene-shows-what-is-going-on-in-pelosis-district[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239890]You can't make this shit (pun intended) up.

[url]https://www.dailywire.com/news/cleanup-in-aisle-3-horrifying-scene-shows-what-is-going-on-in-pelosis-district[/url][/quote]


trump likes this shit..........

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/opinions/disgusting-video-doral-trump-louis/index.html[/url]

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2019/aug/28/in-the-name-of-trump-supporters-attacks-database[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239889]As a Giants fan you have a sick obsession with our site. Go shit your pants on a Giants thread.[/quote]

It is just an obsession with Trump. I have a friend of almost 35 years I no longer talk to because Trump got inside his head and that is all the guy could talk about. He retired recently in his early 50's and actually scours the internet 24-7 for for anti Trump rhetoric and he seemed to feel the need to share it all with me. I could care less, other than the tariffs on raw aluminum and steel backfiring he has no effect on my life so I choose to ignore him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1239849][url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/elizabeth-warren-choice-medicare-for-all-transition-iowa/index.html[/url]

In a rhetorical shift, Elizabeth Warren emphasizes 'choice' on health care

Of course this coward is backtracking on her biggest campaign platform. It doesn’t work and never will folks.[/quote]

This thread has plenty of shots being taken, some humorous, some trifling, but in an effort to actually have meaningful discussion in here, I'll try to touch on why Chico's right that this won't work (even though he probably has no idea why it won't work). Sorry Chico, had to take a trifling shot in the spirit of the thread.

With Obamacare, the exchanges gave people an option they could choose to gain coverage, sometimes with subsidies, for cheaper rates than they could otherwise find on the market. The penalty for not having some form of coverage was a tax penalty. It was a good idea in theory but the costs of the plans offered on the exchanges skyrocketed after a few years, and many insurers pulled out of the exchanges altogether because they grew unprofitable. Why?

Think through the types of people who might be interested in signing up for the plans on the exchanges. To keep it simple for illustrative purposes, I'll bucket everyone into two groups:

- The healthy that didn't have insurance before
- The unhealthy that didn't have insurance before

The healthy folks looked at the cost of the plans on the exchanges, and they weighed it against the cost of paying the tax penalty for not having the insurance. They said hey, I never use the doctor or the hospital, I don't get sick, I'm good. While maybe not the most forward-thinking view, they determined it was cheaper and better for them to just pay the tax penalty.

Meanwhile, the unhealthy folks who used the doctor and the hospital and the pharmacy, they've been struggling to pay for their healthcare and they viewed the exchanges as a godsend. They rejoiced, FINALLY MORE AFFORDABLE INSURANCE, and they jumped at the chance to sign up for the exchanges. For them, the cost of paying the premiums for the exchange plan was pennies in comparison to paying the tax penalty plus the cost of paying for doctors and medicines out of pocket. So they signed up right away.

So now think about those two groups of people from the insurance plan's perspective. The plan goes: hey we just got a whole bunch of people signing up who need healthcare services. They're going to the doctor, they're getting prescriptions, they're at the hospital, and now we have to pay for those claims. Meanwhile, we didn't have as many of the healthy folks signing up as we thought we might. So we don't have them paying premiums into the plan. Insurers love healthy people who pay premiums into the plan - they collect the premium and they never have to pay for healthcare claims.

You can see. That's a mix destined for failure. It's a heavy mix of high-cost patients rushing into the plan, and not enough premium revenue coming in from healthier people. The plan can't sustain itself, insurers say hey we either need to double the premiums or we need to exit this market.

Failure.

The failure occurred because the healthy people weren't incentivized enough to sign up for the plan. Either the tax penalty needed to be more severe, severe enough to make them say hey signing up for the plan is actually cheaper. Or the law needed to just say you have to get insurance or criminal charges of some kind.

The idea was fine but the execution wasn't there.

Similar situation here with Warren. If she gives people the choice of whether to sign up for Medicare For All, she better make sure there are some nasty incentives to make people do it. Otherwise the sick will sign up, and the healthy won't, and this time instead of insurers failing and bailing on the exchanges, Medicare will fail and destroy our safety net.

Her plan carries immense risk, far more risk than Obamacare did. She'd be better off revisiting Obamacare and tweaking the law. But that horse is likely out of the barn, politically.

I'm a financial executive who works for a healthcare provider. My views expressed here are my own and should not in any way be viewed as representative of the views of my employer, who shall remain nameless in these forums.

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Schneed,

I heard that one of the other issues was that the federal government and insurance providers genuinely were unaware of exactly how unhealthy uninsured American are I am assuming there is truth to that?

It also sounds like you are saying that as long as we do things half assed and have uninsured people we will be stuck with a shitty system.

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[quote=Schneed10;1239901]This thread has plenty of shots being taken, some humorous, some trifling, but in an effort to actually have meaningful discussion in here, I'll try to touch on why Chico's right that this won't work (even though he probably has no idea why it won't work). Sorry Chico, had to take a trifling shot in the spirit of the thread.

With Obamacare, the exchanges gave people an option they could choose to gain coverage, sometimes with subsidies, for cheaper rates than they could otherwise find on the market. The penalty for not having some form of coverage was a tax penalty. It was a good idea in theory but the costs of the plans offered on the exchanges skyrocketed after a few years, and many insurers pulled out of the exchanges altogether because they grew unprofitable. Why?

Think through the types of people who might be interested in signing up for the plans on the exchanges. To keep it simple for illustrative purposes, I'll bucket everyone into two groups:

- The healthy that didn't have insurance before
- The unhealthy that didn't have insurance before

The healthy folks looked at the cost of the plans on the exchanges, and they weighed it against the cost of paying the tax penalty for not having the insurance. They said hey, I never use the doctor or the hospital, I don't get sick, I'm good. While maybe not the most forward-thinking view, they determined it was cheaper and better for them to just pay the tax penalty.

Meanwhile, the unhealthy folks who used the doctor and the hospital and the pharmacy, they've been struggling to pay for their healthcare and they viewed the exchanges as a godsend. They rejoiced, FINALLY MORE AFFORDABLE INSURANCE, and they jumped at the chance to sign up for the exchanges. For them, the cost of paying the premiums for the exchange plan was pennies in comparison to paying the tax penalty plus the cost of paying for doctors and medicines out of pocket. So they signed up right away.

So now think about those two groups of people from the insurance plan's perspective. The plan goes: hey we just got a whole bunch of people signing up who need healthcare services. They're going to the doctor, they're getting prescriptions, they're at the hospital, and now we have to pay for those claims. Meanwhile, we didn't have as many of the healthy folks signing up as we thought we might. So we don't have them paying premiums into the plan. Insurers love healthy people who pay premiums into the plan - they collect the premium and they never have to pay for healthcare claims.

You can see. That's a mix destined for failure. It's a heavy mix of high-cost patients rushing into the plan, and not enough premium revenue coming in from healthier people. The plan can't sustain itself, insurers say hey we either need to double the premiums or we need to exit this market.

Failure.

The failure occurred because the healthy people weren't incentivized enough to sign up for the plan. Either the tax penalty needed to be more severe, severe enough to make them say hey signing up for the plan is actually cheaper. Or the law needed to just say you have to get insurance or criminal charges of some kind.

The idea was fine but the execution wasn't there.

Similar situation here with Warren. If she gives people the choice of whether to sign up for Medicare For All, she better make sure there are some nasty incentives to make people do it. Otherwise the sick will sign up, and the healthy won't, and this time instead of insurers failing and bailing on the exchanges, Medicare will fail and destroy our safety net.

Her plan carries immense risk, far more risk than Obamacare did. She'd be better off revisiting Obamacare and tweaking the law. But that horse is likely out of the barn, politically.

I'm a financial executive who works for a healthcare provider. My views expressed here are my own and should not in any way be viewed as representative of the views of my employer, who shall remain nameless in these forums.[/quote]

perfect...AND shot taken!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239883]Joe Biden will try anything to bring down Trump.[/quote]

:laughing- I thought the guy definitely looked similar to Biden too.

Also Schneed, that's probably the best argument I've ever heard against Medicare-for-all. +1 for bringing a well thought-out argument to the table.

Things that need fixing:

Price gouging on life-saving medications like Epipens. Companies should have to provide justification if they are going to jack up the rate on anything over a certain percent (like the 5000% price increases which have become more common in the last decade or so)

People filing for medical bankruptcy after sustaining a major injury. Is it fair that someone should die or be bankrupt for the rest of their life because of an accident that may or may not have been their fault? Just to clarify on this as well, I'm not advocating for someone with no insurance who gets into an accident that is their fault. I'm advocating for people who have insurance who get into accidents that aren't their fault and end up in medical bankruptcy because they'll never be able to afford to pay off their medical bills in their lifetime.

I could get into it about how a system that values profit over human life is broken but I also recognize that on this board, with this audience, it's most likely going to be unpopular.

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[quote=Schneed10;1239901]This thread has plenty of shots being taken, some humorous, some trifling, but in an effort to actually have meaningful discussion in here, I'll try to touch on why Chico's right that this won't work (even though he probably has no idea why it won't work). Sorry Chico, had to take a trifling shot in the spirit of the thread.

With Obamacare, the exchanges gave people an option they could choose to gain coverage, sometimes with subsidies, for cheaper rates than they could otherwise find on the market. The penalty for not having some form of coverage was a tax penalty. It was a good idea in theory but the costs of the plans offered on the exchanges skyrocketed after a few years, and many insurers pulled out of the exchanges altogether because they grew unprofitable. Why?

Think through the types of people who might be interested in signing up for the plans on the exchanges. To keep it simple for illustrative purposes, I'll bucket everyone into two groups:

- The healthy that didn't have insurance before
- The unhealthy that didn't have insurance before

The healthy folks looked at the cost of the plans on the exchanges, and they weighed it against the cost of paying the tax penalty for not having the insurance. They said hey, I never use the doctor or the hospital, I don't get sick, I'm good. While maybe not the most forward-thinking view, they determined it was cheaper and better for them to just pay the tax penalty.

Meanwhile, the unhealthy folks who used the doctor and the hospital and the pharmacy, they've been struggling to pay for their healthcare and they viewed the exchanges as a godsend. They rejoiced, FINALLY MORE AFFORDABLE INSURANCE, and they jumped at the chance to sign up for the exchanges. For them, the cost of paying the premiums for the exchange plan was pennies in comparison to paying the tax penalty plus the cost of paying for doctors and medicines out of pocket. So they signed up right away.

So now think about those two groups of people from the insurance plan's perspective. The plan goes: hey we just got a whole bunch of people signing up who need healthcare services. They're going to the doctor, they're getting prescriptions, they're at the hospital, and now we have to pay for those claims. Meanwhile, we didn't have as many of the healthy folks signing up as we thought we might. So we don't have them paying premiums into the plan. Insurers love healthy people who pay premiums into the plan - they collect the premium and they never have to pay for healthcare claims.

You can see. That's a mix destined for failure. It's a heavy mix of high-cost patients rushing into the plan, and not enough premium revenue coming in from healthier people. The plan can't sustain itself, insurers say hey we either need to double the premiums or we need to exit this market.

Failure.

The failure occurred because the healthy people weren't incentivized enough to sign up for the plan. Either the tax penalty needed to be more severe, severe enough to make them say hey signing up for the plan is actually cheaper. Or the law needed to just say you have to get insurance or criminal charges of some kind.

The idea was fine but the execution wasn't there.

Similar situation here with Warren. If she gives people the choice of whether to sign up for Medicare For All, she better make sure there are some nasty incentives to make people do it. Otherwise the sick will sign up, and the healthy won't, and this time instead of insurers failing and bailing on the exchanges, Medicare will fail and destroy our safety net.

Her plan carries immense risk, far more risk than Obamacare did. She'd be better off revisiting Obamacare and tweaking the law. But that horse is likely out of the barn, politically.

I'm a financial executive who works for a healthcare provider. My views expressed here are my own and should not in any way be viewed as representative of the views of my employer, who shall remain nameless in these forums.[/quote]

So basically all of these healthcare plans depend on the black mailing of healthy tax payers being forced to buy something they don't want or need? Yeah, that doesn't sound like something we should support our government doing.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239916]So basically all of these healthcare plans depend on the black mailing of healthy tax payers being forced to buy something they don't want or need? Yeah, that doesn't sound like something we should support our government doing.[/quote]

Nobody wants or needs health insurance until they actually need it.

Imagine a world where I can get into an accident and only then I have to buy health insurance to pay for my injuries. I like it!