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[quote=MTK;1236371]Haskins wasn't a disaster, so there's that.

Barring injury I don't want to see anymore of Case or Colt the rest of the way.

Stick with Haskins and keep ramping things up for him.[/quote]

exactly. Giving him first team reps and having him go thru the motions of preparing to play really helped.

Also, Darius Guice needs to get his ass on the field and play. We need to find out if he can handle the physicality of the league. I have my doubts

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1236367]Nothing worse than boring losers. If you're going to be boring, then don't lose. If you're going to lose, then don't be boring.



But who cares, anyway? A close friend of mine is completely done with the Redskins after more than a half century as a loyal fan. He just can't stand Mister Snyder and his minions any longer.



Now I realize that my longtime Redskins fandom is hanging by a thread, as well. Yesterday, while the Redskins game was being played, I went to a very good seafood restaurant - the kind with no T.V.'s - and enjoyed a fine meal and good company with family members. I didn't record the game, either. It was a pleasant Sunday afternoon.[/QUOTE]I am Totally with you!

I am still a long time fan of the Redskins, almost 40 years, but I have pretty much completely stopped watching the Redskins games myself.

As you so astutely pointed out, the current Redskins are Boring [emoji99] Losers. Most of this season, the opposing teams have been favored to win, with good reason, and since there is almost no chance of the Redskins upsetting any of the opposing teams, there is no reason to watch the game.

I am still a Redskins fan, and I certainly enjoy discussing the team on this site, but unless there is some drastic improvement, there is really no reason to watch the games.

Thanks Dan Synder for making me Appthetic about my favorite NFL team!

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If they start Case or colt I’m done ... the play calling does not reflect any thing other than keep it close.. that is this teams belief. WE ARE CLOSE!! yep we are close to being the worst team in redskins long history!! They should make that the new slogan.. We are close .. maybe We are closed!!

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[quote=MTK;1236371]Haskins wasn't a disaster, so there's that.

Barring injury I don't want to see anymore of Case or Colt the rest of the way.

Stick with Haskins and keep ramping things up for him.[/quote]

I tend to agree. Part of my desire to keep Keenum in there (when healthy) is that it would help us better evaluate the rest of the young talent on the team as he'd run a more effective offense and keep us close enough in games that we don't become one dimensional.

Haskins wasn't asked to do anything other than hand the ball off to AP and throw short dump-off passes. We got not hints of how good or terrible he could be. But he did enough to not completely ruin the game, so he didn't really hurt our ability to evaluate other players.

Also, I love Paul Richard calling out Bruce and the coaches to stop saying "we're close." There's nothing to gain by pretending to be something we're not. Acknowledging what we are is the first step to recovery.

Also, really glad the Dolphins won one. We need to keep losing out and hope they stumble into another win so we can get that top pick.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1236378]I tend to agree. Part of my desire to keep Keenum in there (when healthy) is that it would help us better evaluate the rest of the young talent on the team as he'd run a more effective offense and keep us close enough in games that we don't become one dimensional.

Haskins wasn't asked to do anything other than hand the ball off to AP and throw short dump-off passes. We got not hints of how good or terrible he could be. But he did enough to not completely ruin the game, so he didn't really hurt our ability to evaluate other players.

Also, I love Paul Richard calling out Bruce and the coaches to stop saying "we're close." There's nothing to gain by pretending to be something we're not. Acknowledging what we are is the first step to recovery.

[B]Also, really glad the Dolphins won one. We need to keep losing out and hope they stumble into another win so we can get that top pick[/B].[/quote]

We're not going to get the top pick. We play the Jets in two weeks, and they might be worse than the Dolphins.

Also I never heard Paul Richardson say that, but good for him. Now if only we had coaches who could put him to better use than running 6 yard curl routes.

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[quote=mooby;1236379]We're not going to get the top pick. We play the Jets in two weeks, and they might be worse than the Dolphins.

Also I never heard Paul Richardson say that, but good for him. Now if only we had coaches who could put him to better use than running 6 yard curl routes.[/quote]

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/1191125519322013697[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1236379]We're not going to get the top pick. We play the Jets in two weeks, and they might be worse than the Dolphins.
[/quote]

Anything can happen, but the Jets have upcoming games against us, the giants, the raiders, the bengals, and the dolphins again. I find it hard to believe they don't win atleast half of those.

meanwhile, the Jets are the ONLY team on our schedule rest of year that i think we even have a chance to win. After that, we should be 10+ point underdogs in every game. The only exception would potentially be week 17 vs. the cowboys if they sit all their starters.

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I like this site far more than I like what's going on with the Redskins but the abject failures of Mister Snyder and Smithers is about all we have to talk about so it's been pretty depressing around here lately.

I just can't talk about "what ifs" as long as there is almost no hope of turning things around on the field because Smithers in charge. To me, Snyder continuing as team owner is a given, so we can only hope that Snyder gets fed up with the con job BA is running on him and replaces him as de facto GM. Then we may have a true fresh start and a chance to succeed on the field.

Of course, this is all predicated on having a new GM in place and Snyder's yacht being ready to take him on a round the world cruise that starts prior to the draft.

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[quote=MTK;1236371]Haskins wasn't a disaster, so there's that.

Barring injury I don't want to see anymore of Case or Colt the rest of the way.

Stick with Haskins and keep ramping things up for him.[/quote]

I agree.
After watching every pass Haskins threw against Buffalo on Youtube today, Haskins is ready to run this offense.
Callahan has done something Gruden refused to do, which is tailor/simplify the offense for the young QB so he can play. Nothing wrong with that. It is not like we are playoff team. It is more important at this point to play Haskins.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1236386][url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/1191125519322013697[/url][/quote]

callahan is another puppet

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[quote=Defensewins;1236413]I agree.
After watching every pass Haskins threw against Buffalo on Youtube today, Haskins is ready to run this offense.
Callahan has done something Gruden refused to do, which is tailor/simplify the offense for the young QB so he can play. Nothing wrong with that. It is not like we are playoff team. It is more important at this point to play Haskins.[/quote]

Um that was basically a jr. high school offense. That to me is ridiculous and piss poor game planning. They scored 9 points and took no deep shots. No back shoulder. All we heard about was how Harmon wins one on one cause he's so physical. Why not give him a deep ball? Let him make a play or get PI. I'm so unimpressed with the group on offense.

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Montez has some clean shots at Josh Allen and missed. Disappointed with this kid so far.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1236414][B]callahan[/B] is another puppet[/quote]

[url]https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/ACSszfE97WUlGkfCBX8tNfvJgYshtA3AFpBGHB_Ybg=s900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no[/url]

Who you calling a puppet?

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[quote=jamf;1236418]Montez has some clean shots at Josh Allen and missed. Disappointed with this kid so far.[/quote]

Ive noticed Cole Holcomb has had multiple clear paths and shots on QB this season and he freezes, reacts late and never gets there.

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[quote=jamf;1236418]Montez has some clean shots at Josh Allen and missed. Disappointed with this kid so far.[/quote]

Very dissapointing so far.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1236415]Um that was basically a jr. high school offense. That to me is ridiculous and piss poor game planning. They scored 9 points and took no deep shots. No back shoulder. All we heard about was how Harmon wins one on one cause he's so physical. Why not give him a deep ball? Let him make a play or get PI. I'm so unimpressed with the group on offense.[/quote]

Play calling for children yesterday man I agree

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[quote=skinsfan69;1236415]Um [B]that was basically a jr. high school offense. [/B]That to me is ridiculous and piss poor game planning. They scored 9 points and took no deep shots. No back shoulder. All we heard about was how Harmon wins one on one cause he's so physical. Why not give him a deep ball? Let him make a play or get PI. I'm so unimpressed with the group on offense.[/quote]

It was almost as if you were reading my mind, as I was about to post something very similar. I was going to say the offense we ran yesterday was basically similar to the type of plays I called or ran during my one-year stint as a middle school assistant coach (as an interim offensive coordinator, of sorts, after the initial coordinator had to leave the team midway through the season).

I saw a rather rudimentary game plan yesterday.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236421]Ive noticed Cole Holcomb has had multiple clear paths and shots on QB this season and he freezes, reacts late and never gets there.[/quote]

I've noticed him do that about three or four times this season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1236415]Um that was basically a jr. high school offense. That to me is ridiculous and piss poor game planning. They scored 9 points and took no deep shots. No back shoulder. All we heard about was how Harmon wins one on one cause he's so physical. Why not give him a deep ball? Let him make a play or get PI. I'm so unimpressed with the group on offense.[/quote]

Wind was brutal , its why Buffalo didn't take any deep shots wither honestly

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Ryan Kerrigan has 3 sacks... YIKES

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[I][U]Haskins wasn't amazing... but that was still a HUGE step forward[/U][/I], and he looked way more confident out there. Curious to see his progression throughout the year.

Game balls to [I][U]AP[/U][/I] and the [I][U]OL[/U][/I] who did a decent job. Like [I][U]Jon Bostic[/U][/I] week after week too.

I was expecting the Bills D to smuggle our offense, so while they didn't score any TD, I thought the [I][U]Skins moved the ball better than I thought they would[/U][/I].

Defense is concerning though, they show some great flashes (loved [I][U]Payne stuffing a 4th and short[/U][/I] by going low a second week in a row) but then they collapse when it "matters" ("" cuz nothing really matters this year).

[B]How Manusky still has a job amazes me week after week...[/B]

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Until this team figures out how to possess the ball more, the defense will continue to struggle. The offense has been pretty terrible no matter which quarterback is in there. So either all the quarterbacks suck, all the talent around them sucks, the play calling sucks, or maybe it's a combination of all three. Don't get me wrong here, there have been some breakdowns on the defense. But if we are speaking the truth here, the defense has not been the problem. It is the offense's inability to possess the ball that has had a very direct affect on the defense, and that is the biggest problem.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1236453]Until this team figures out how to possess the ball more, the defense will continue to struggle. The offense has been pretty terrible no matter which quarterback is in there. So either all the quarterbacks suck, all the talent around them sucks, the play calling sucks, or maybe it's a combination of all three. Don't get me wrong here, there have been some breakdowns on the defense. [B]But if we are speaking the truth here, the defense has not been the problem. It is the offense's inability to possess the ball that has had a very direct affect on the defense, and that is the biggest problem[/B].[/quote]

True.
My judgement may very well biased by the fact I expect absolutely nothing from our offense, and quite a lot from our D.
I was among those who said last week's performance against the Vikings was quite impressive.

But at times on Sunday they made Singletary look like Alvin Kamara and Josh Allen like a decent QB. Which they're both not.

Forgot to mention [I][U]Apke's rise[/U][/I] on the positives!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1236453]Until this team figures out how to possess the ball more, the defense will continue to struggle. The offense has been pretty terrible no matter which quarterback is in there. So either all the quarterbacks suck, all the talent around them sucks, the play calling sucks, or maybe it's a combination of all three. Don't get me wrong here, there have been some breakdowns on the defense. But if we are speaking the truth here, the defense has not been the problem. It is the offense's inability to possess the ball that has had a very direct affect on the defense, and that is the biggest problem.[/quote]

I mean possessing the ball is one thing, but I think the main issue is three games without an touchdown. That will cause problems.

While I’ve been strong proponent of running the ball and shifting to a running team, BUT you have to have a passing game and a coaching strategy that builds a passing attack off the run. Callahan does none of this...in the. Second half 5 of 6 1st down plays were runs with 11 in the box....So buffalo commits to stopping the run, adjust. Callahan refuses.

And then Callahan continues the Bruce line of “we are close”. Dude! No td in 3 games, we are not fucking close.

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[quote=jamf;1236418]Montez has some clean shots at Josh Allen and missed. Disappointed with this kid so far.[/quote]

Yeah best thing about him is his old spice commercial that I am seeing constantly,dude hit it big with commercial before doing anything

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1236452][I][U]Haskins wasn't amazing... but that was still a HUGE step forward[/U][/I], and he looked way more confident out there. Curious to see his progression throughout the year.

Game balls to [I][U]AP[/U][/I] and the [I][U]OL[/U][/I] who did a decent job. Like [I][U]Jon Bostic[/U][/I] week after week too.

I was expecting the Bills D to smuggle our offense, so while they didn't score any TD, I thought the [I][U]Skins moved the ball better than I thought they would[/U][/I].

[B]Defense is concerning though, they show some great flashes (loved [I][U]Payne stuffing a 4th and short[/U][/I] by going low a second week in a row) but then they collapse when it "matters" ("" cuz nothing really matters this year).[/B]

[B]How Manusky still has a job amazes me week after week...[/B][/quote]

Even back in the good old days when QBs got as beat up as everyone else it was much more physically demanding to play defense. In this day an age it has to be 2-3x as physically demanding as playing offense. With the Redskins lack of depth on defense plus an offense that can't sustain drives those guys are eventually going to wear out.

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Secondary - I have not seen many complete breakdowns in the secondary this year like years past. Sure, theres been plays where Norman is slow to identify and keep up with his man and it goes for a big play but that wasnt a completely blown coverage where a guy is forgotten and unaccounted for.

Getting to the line on O - seemed like we did a good job of getting out of the huddle and into formation quickly. I think we called 1 TO with the clock ticking down but it was fine, I think we were on their half wanting to get things right.

D line - those short yardage stuffs were awesome. Gives guys like Allen and Payne at least something to hang their hat on.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1236461]Yeah best thing about him is his old spice commercial that I am seeing constantly,dude hit it big with commercial before doing anything[/QUOTE]



Pretty sure he did the deodorant commercial because of his name not his accolades. Lol

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1236458]I mean possessing the ball is one thing, but I think the main issue is three games without an touchdown. That will cause problems.



While I’ve been strong proponent of running the ball and shifting to a running team, BUT you have to have a passing game and a coaching strategy that builds a passing attack off the run. Callahan does none of this...in the. Second half 5 of 6 1st down plays were runs with 11 in the box....So buffalo commits to stopping the run, adjust. Callahan refuses.



And then Callahan continues the Bruce line of “we are close”. Dude! No td in 3 games, we are not fucking close.[/QUOTE]



More like one td in five games. A lucky run against the Pats. I don’t even count the Dolphins game.

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[quote=punch it in;1236497]Pretty sure he did the deodorant commercial because of his name not his accolades. Lol[/quote]

More power to him too, take the $$ when you can.

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[IMG]https://d2z1w4aiblvrwu.cloudfront.net/ad/7LWp/geico-cheerleader-caveman-featuring-brian-orakpo-large-5.jpg[/IMG]

I wonder if it was Sweat's agent who approached and pitched to Old Spice or vice versa. If his agent did it, good job agent.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1236505]More power to him too, take the $$ when you can.[/QUOTE]



Hell yeah. But with a name like Sweat I think he will always have a niche in the deodorant commercial market!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236462]Even back in the good old days when QBs got as beat up as everyone else it was much more physically demanding to play defense. In this day an age it has to be 2-3x as physically demanding as playing offense. With the Redskins lack of depth on defense plus an offense that can't sustain drives those guys are eventually going to wear out.[/quote]

Absolutely right. Solid point, and I may be asking too much from this D.

But they still allowed 17 points to the Bills in one half. They played better in the second half, until late in the 4th when the "wearing out" effect is legit. But were they worn out in the 1st quarter too ?

Don't get me wrong, I know the defense is not THE issue of this team, and I like the defensive side of this roster probably more than a lot of you guys... I just feel like this D is not consistently playing at level it could.

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Every facet of the team (coaches and players) are part of the problem. My main issue is the coaches make the game harder for the players, and not easier.

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On the first drive of the 2nd qtr, AD had 3 straight rushes for over 18 + yards, that is pretty damn impressive for a 34 YO back.

Also tape on haskins was good, he had a couple good balls dropped one by Terry which is rare, he also moved well from pressure

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1236514]Absolutely right. Solid point, and I may be asking too much from this D.

[B]But they still allowed 17 points to the Bills in one half. [/B]They played better in the second half, until late in the 4th when the "wearing out" effect is legit. But were they worn out in the 1st quarter too ?

Don't get me wrong, I know the defense is not THE issue of this team, and I like the defensive side of this roster probably more than a lot of you guys... I just feel like this D is not consistently playing at level it could.[/quote]

I posted this before I listened to [URL="https://art19.com/shows/cooley-and-kevin/episodes/d8f3ab3c-b562-4753-b737-0beb178fa66c"]this episode of Sheehan's podcast[/URL] but Kevin made a point that emphasize how disappointing our D's first half performance was : [I][U]the Bills had [B]3 drives[/B] in the 1st half, and they went 2 TDs and a FG[/U][/I]. That's just not good enough.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1236515]Every facet of the team (coaches and players) are part of the problem. My main issue is the coaches make the game harder for the players, and not easier.[/quote]

Hey don't disrespect Tress Way like that! He IS NOT part of the problem! lol.

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The coaching of the Redskins is abysmal, especially on Defense. A strong DC could turn this defense into an above average one in one season. If we do draft Edge Rusher Young in the 2020 draft our DL will be absolutely amazing -IF coached right. Getting rid of expensive deadwood like Norman and replacing him with a, young CB FA or draft pick will make us feared defense for the first time in a generation.


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[quote=Warthog;1236760]The coaching of the Redskins is abysmal, especially on Defense. A strong DC could turn this defense into an above average one in one season. [/quote]

When Harbaugh took over in San Francisco and Manusky was replaced by Fanzio the 49ers defense went from 16th to 2nd in points allowed from one season to the next using basically the same personnel.