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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1243789]I would be shocked if any team would give a king's ransom to trade up and get Tua. His hip injury should send up red flags as to his long term viability to hold up to the rigors of playing in the NFL. 80 year old people get hip injuries, not 20 year old ones.[/QUOTE]


Just watch, Tua talk is going to heat up as we move closer to the spring. It sounds like he should make a full recovery from the injury. Even with the injury there are people out there that like him just as much as Burrow if not more.



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I also like the idea of a trade back if we can get a haul from the dolphins. The thing with taking multiple players as compared to one player you have a better chance of hitting on the players. If we take one player and he gets hurt or turns out to be a bust then this draft was for nothing. If we get the haul that is being talked about then we have an opportunity to draft multiple starters. If one happens to get hurt you still have the others playing and contributing. Here is another possibility. What if the lions decide they want a particular QB and want to trade up one spot to make sure they get the QB they want then the skins could still get Young and get extra picks. It wouldn't be anything like they are describing from the dolphins but it would be extra picks. Just a thought

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[quote=MTK;1243793]Just watch, Tua talk is going to heat up as we move closer to the spring. It sounds like he should make a full recovery from the injury. Even with the injury there are people out there that like him just as much as Burrow if not more.



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yup...alotta of folks like the fact Burrow performed so well this season and over shadowed Tua. If you polled the GMs, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tua is the majority favorite at QB.

I think we could get an RG3 like deal...the 2 highest 1st round this year, plus the dolphins 2nd and another 1st next year and maybe a 4th. To move back to move back 3 spots and pick that up? There are offers you simply cant refuse.

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It seems the consensus here is that Tua's injury won't have an effect on his draft position, we shall see. It also seems people have forgot about Josh Rosen, when discussing Miami trading up to snag Tua. Quite a few here wanted the Redskins to get him.

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The combine will tell a lot about Tua's injury. If he doesn't participate that is not a good sign for him. I still don't see Miami trading up all that for 3 spots..

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[quote=Randall Nestor;1243794]I also like the idea of a trade back if we can get a haul from the dolphins. The thing with taking multiple players as compared to one player you have a better chance of hitting on the players. If we take one player and he gets hurt or turns out to be a bust then this draft was for nothing. If we get the haul that is being talked about then we have an opportunity to draft multiple starters. If one happens to get hurt you still have the others playing and contributing. Here is another possibility. [B]What if the lions decide they want a particular QB and want to trade up one spot to make sure they get the QB they want then the skins could still get Young and get extra picks. It wouldn't be anything like they are describing from the dolphins but it would be extra picks.[/B] Just a thought[/quote]

No chance. We discussed this earlier. Again, if we did that, Detroit would take Young for sure, and we would look foolish. If the Lions wanted a QB - and there has been nothing reported that would indicate that they do - they would have zero reason to trade up one spot, since it is pretty clear that the Redskins aren't looking to pick a QB. The only possible reason the Lions would trade up one spot would be to hoodwink the Redskins and take Young. I don't think RR is that foolhardy.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1243798]It seems the consensus here is that Tua's injury won't have an effect on his draft position, we shall see. It also seems people have forgot about Josh Rosen, when discussing Miami trading up to snag Tua. Quite a few here wanted the Redskins to get him.[/quote]

There is a reason people forgot about Josh Rosen. Through 2 years, he's shown zero improvement and essentially lost his job twice to both Kyler Murray and Ryan Fitzmagic. In a lost season, Miami had every reason to stick with Rosen to see what they had before going into this year's draft. They decided they had seen enough. Rosen is a backup and not part of the equation.

As for those of us who wanted Rosen, it was less about Rosen himself and more about not wanting the Skins to trade UP to get Haskins (or even take him at 15).

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1243804]The combine will tell a lot about Tua's injury. If he doesn't participate that is not a good sign for him. I still don't see Miami trading up all that for 3 spots..[/QUOTE]


Plenty of top QB prospects don’t do much at the combine anyway, he’ll have his pro day to prove he can throw in shorts in what amounts to a scripted practice



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[quote=MTK;1243808]Plenty of top QB prospects don’t do much at the combine anyway, he’ll have his pro day to prove he can throw in shorts in what amounts to a scripted practice



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Those always crack me up

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Chase Young..

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"For those in favor of drafting Young... Pre Bosa, Niners 21st on 3rd down; allowed 108.5 passer rating in 4 man rushes. since Bosa: 2nd on 3rd down; 83.0 passer rating in 4 man rush. ...Redskins mirrored the 49ers' decline, can they follow their rise?"
[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/39534[/url]

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I say take CY. But what if Detroit offer this years 1st and 2nd and their next two 1st round picks and they tell you they are taking CY do you make the trade?

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1243824]I say take CY. But what if Detroit offer this years 1st and 2nd and their next two 1st round picks and they tell you they are taking CY do you make the trade?[/quote]
They wanna trade down....

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;1243824]I say take CY. But what if Detroit offer this years 1st and 2nd and their next two 1st round picks and they tell you they are taking CY do you make the trade?[/QUOTE]



In your Detroit scenario you could take Isaiah Simmons , who is an elite LB, with the #3. LB is a position of more need for the ‘skins than Edge and Chase Young. Then in the second round you take either a very good WR or OT who most likely would be a starter. The two first’s for the next two years are interesting but not enough to make the Redskins bite. Why not?

Chase Young has an immediate and huge benefit to the defense right away. Any trade down scenario has to have enough picks THIS SEASON to make a similar benefit to the Redskins. In a realistic Miami trade, let’s say for their #5, #18 and their second rounder, plus a first rounder in 2021; the Redskins could get Isaiah Simmons (LB) or Andrew Thomas (OT) with the #5 both positions where we have a large need AND these guys are elite. Then with the #18 and second rounder you get two good or very good starters, also in positions of need, like CB or FS or LB/OL (depending on how you used the #5).

Like has been said, you might get 3 starters or maybe two with three high picks versus Chase as a superstar or if he’s over-rated than a guy who might be injury-probe or just good versus elite.

BL - the only trade down must give the Redskins high draft picks THIS season:

1. Something like Miami’s #5,#18 and a second (and next year’s first)

2. Miami’s #5, #18 and their #26

3. Some other team’s pretty much EVERYTHING: first, second, third, fourth, fifth and maybe next year’s first. Something like that. You get a cornucopia of picks, combined with our picks gets you (with Kyle Smith’s genius) 4-6 starters , with maybe one or two very good or superstars. Fills all the holes with young, cheap, motivated players.


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[quote=Warthog;1243830]In your Detroit scenario you could take Isaiah Simmons , who is an elite LB, with the #3. LB is a position of more need for the ‘skins than Edge and Chase Young. Then in the second round you take either a very good WR or OT who most likely would be a starter. The two first’s for the next two years are interesting but not enough to make the Redskins bite. Why not?

Chase Young has an immediate and huge benefit to the defense right away. Any trade down scenario has to have enough picks THIS SEASON to make a similar benefit to the Redskins. In a realistic Miami trade, let’s say for their #5, #18 and their second rounder, plus a first rounder in 2021; the Redskins could get Isaiah Simmons (LB) or Andrew Thomas (OT) with the #5 both positions where we have a large need AND these guys are elite. Then with the #18 and second rounder you get two good or very good starters, also in positions of need, like CB or FS or LB/OL (depending on how you used the #5).

Like has been said, you might get 3 starters or maybe two with three high picks versus Chase as a superstar or if he’s over-rated than a guy who might be injury-probe or just good versus elite.

BL - the only trade down must give the Redskins high draft picks THIS season:

1. Something like Miami’s #5,#18 and a second (and next year’s first)

2. Miami’s #5, #18 and their #26

3. Some other team’s pretty much EVERYTHING: first, second, third, fourth, fifth and maybe next year’s first. Something like that. You get a cornucopia of picks, combined with our picks gets you (with Kyle Smith’s genius) 4-6 starters , with maybe one or two very good or superstars. Fills all the holes with young, cheap, motivated players.


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Young cheap and motivated, the redskins need playmakers.

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Between the core group of true football players who are already motivated, and the new coaching staff, I don't think anyone that comes here isn't going to drink the Kool aid, let's wait and see what's offered but it is indeed a tough call. ..

Look at a similar situation in the 2011 draft, where von Miller went #2 overall .... That first round was ripe with studs and duds littered all over... Our own Ryan kerrigan was #16 ... J.J. Watt was chosen, Nate Solder, AJ Green etc... So the question is ... Now obviously Miller isn't young and vice versa, and no one can tell the future, but if Denver was offered the same trade options we are talking about, do they still win the SB without that years SB MVP and taking 2 or 3 of the other players listed?

It's kinda like the games in general, that's why they play them.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanmdc;1243836]Young cheap and motivated, the redskins need playmakers.[/QUOTE]



Also, the rookies in a big trade-down would be good and certainly better then what’s there now. A couple of these rookies will be very good and maybe one or two might even be excellent or outstanding (like 2019’s McLaurin and Holcomb). So in the scenario with a Ditka-type trade where you get 5-6 EXTRA draft picks this season, AND if Kyle Smith has another outstanding draft, then you’re filling almost all the holes with quality players AND building depth.

Having real depth is something the Redskins haven’t EVER had in the Snyder era. Having a team with young players means less injuries. Filling holes and getting depth with rookies continues to change this team from old, tired, under-performing and often hurt FA to the exact opposite type of team!

Snyder tried for 2 decades to buy a winning team with FA. Never worked. If RR took a BIG trade-down and we got lots of extra picks and added 4-6 STARTERS, then this would take the pressure off trying to fill holes with FA. By not having to fill so many holes with FA, then you can spend more per FA hired. For instance, we might be able afford a top $$ FA at TE - Henry or Hooper. Wouldn’t it be exciting to be able to buy an expensive and talented burner like Amari Cooper to work alongside McLaurin? Be able to afford Scherff AND Trent Williams?

I’d love to see Chase Young working opposite Sweat, along with Allen, Payne and Ionnidas. That combo might be the best EDGE’s the Redskins have ever seen - maybe even better then Mann and Manley!

But if we were offered a King’s Ransom, it could change the team quickly and thoroughly , THIS SEASON. If it’s good enough, the team has to consider it, no matter how much we want Chase Young.


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[quote=Warthog;1243838]Also, the rookies in a big trade-down would be good and certainly better then what’s there now. A couple of these rookies will be very good and maybe one or two might even be excellent or outstanding (like 2019’s McLaurin and [b]Dunbar[/b]). So in the scenario with a Ditka-type trade where you get[b] 5-6 EXTRA draft picks this season [/b] AND if Kyle Smith has another outstanding draft, then you’re filling almost all the holes with quality players AND building depth.

Having real depth is something the Redskins haven’t EVER had in the Snyder era. [b]Having a team with young players means less injuries.[/b] Filling holes and getting depth with rookies continues to change this team from old, tired, under-performing and often hurt FA to the exact opposite type of team!

Snyder tried for 2 decades to buy a winning team with FA. Never worked. If RR took a BIG trade-down and we got lots of extra picks and added 4-6 STARTERS, then this would take the pressure off trying to fill holes with FA. By not having to fill so many holes with FA, then you can spend more per FA hired. For instance, we might be able afford a top $$ FA at TE - Henry or Hooper. Wouldn’t it be exciting to be able to buy an expensive and talented burner like Amari Cooper to work alongside McLaurin? Be able to afford Scherff AND Trent Williams?

I’d love to see Chase Young working opposite Sweat, along with Allen, Payne and Ionnidas. That combo might be the best EDGE’s the Redskins have ever seen - maybe even better then Mann and Manley!

But if we were offered a King’s Ransom, it could change the team quickly and thoroughly , THIS SEASON. If it’s good enough, the team has to consider it, no matter how much we want Chase Young.


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I had to stop there cuz bolding shit on the phone is a pain .... Dunbar wasnt a rookie this year lol, we are very likely NOT to get 5-6 extra picks this year for our #2 ... And younger doesn't mean less injured, see: guice, reed and well ... All the other history throughout the league ..

Agree we are not going to build a winner via FA, 20 near years of that never worked...


W.ever happens happens. But the fact is no one can know until it does. See my above post and ask yourself, does Denver still win that super bowl if they take the "Kings ransom" ?

Food for thought.

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No other potential draft pick has a nickname even close to “The Predator”. Case closed.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1243842]No other potential draft pick has a nickname even close to “The Predator”. Case closed.[/quote]

It's my favorite movie of all time.. I'm of course in on this dude being a Redskin for life lol

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I think if you have to look at the Walker and Williams mega trades and realise that a GM who tried that now would be out of the door pretty soon. Neither player was a bust, but in comparison the picks given up to get them largely benefited the teams that got them far more than losing those 2 players. Realistically you'd have to be pretty daft to even propose a trade like that in the modern NFL.

Besides, after last year its pretty clear that the Dolphins management don't have any issue with giving up players for picks if they feel the balance is in their favour. I just can't see them reversing course 100% like that knowing that they will almost certainly get the QB they want at #5 anyway. Detroit might go for Tua, and have spent weeks bluffing that Stafford is their man, but I just don't see it. And the Giants are not moving on from Danny Dimes after 1 season.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1243847]I think if you have to look at the Walker and Williams mega trades and realise that a GM who tried that now would be out of the door pretty soon. Neither player was a bust, but in comparison the picks given up to get them largely benefited the teams that got them far more than losing those 2 players. Realistically you'd have to be pretty daft to even propose a trade like that in the modern NFL.

Besides, after last year its pretty clear that the Dolphins management don't have any issue with giving up players for picks if they feel the balance is in their favour. I just can't see them reversing course 100% like that knowing that they will almost certainly get the QB they want at #5 anyway. Detroit might go for Tua, and have spent weeks bluffing that Stafford is their man, but I just don't see it. And the Giants are not moving on from Danny Dimes after 1 season.[/quote]

Those points are all fine and well but it's not just Miami that will threaten swooping in here and that's something they will have to consider as well. And you know damn well the Redskins will do their best to make it seem like there is a SHIT TON of interest in that #2 spot. And there rightfully might be. I would even keep an eye on New England trying to fleece us like they do everyone. But there are plenty of teams that most likely covet the QB that Miami wants, or at least the draft position in which he's likely to go.... so it's not just a done deal at #5

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1243847]Detroit might go for Tua, and have spent weeks bluffing that Stafford is their man, but I just don't see it.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you about Detroit's true intentions. I think that Stafford has been declining and that he is now prone to more injuries as he ages in football years. It would not surprise me one little bit if Detroit selected Tua. He could play behind Stafford for a short while and fully recover before he takes over as the starter. They may never again have an opportunity to draft a QB of Tua's caliber.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1243852]I have to disagree with you about Detroit's true intentions. I think that Stafford has been declining and that he is now prone to more injuries as he ages in football years. It would not surprise me one little bit if Detroit selected Tua. He could play behind Stafford for a short while and fully recover before he takes over as the starter. They may never again have an opportunity to draft a QB of Tua's caliber.[/quote]

Potential calibre. Depends how he comes off the injury.

If Detroit come in with an offer then you know they might be after him, in which case if the Dolphins don't come knocking I'd be tempted as long as it was a swap of 1st+. I wouldn't be interested otherwise as that clearly opens up the Giants to take Young.

Also makes me think the Dolphins probably regret winning those games now. :laughing-

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Ultimately, it all depends on how we have players ranked on our final draft board and what we are offered, and what players we would likely be able to draft in those slots.

For the sake of argument, lets say we grade all players on a scale of 1-100.

If we had Chase Young graded at 96, but we could trade down a few spots and draft a player graded at 93, and get 2 additional firsts, then its a no-brainer that we take the deal.

On the other hand, if we had Chase Young graded as a perfect 100, but there was a huge drop off in grade after that and the players we would get a few spots later have a grade of, say 82, or so, then trading down makes a lot less sense.

It seems to me that most here that are saying we should not trade the pick and draft chase, you are assuming the skins grade Young as a close to perfect 100, with a huge drop off in talent with the player we'd get if we traded down to picks 5 or 6. That may be true, but it may not be. Its WAY too early to be making bold declarations on the draft value of Young or anyone else. We won't have a better sense until closer to the draft.

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I will also add that the skins are supposedly very high on the CB Okudah. Burgundy blog also posted a link to an article saying how the NFL is combatting the pass rush by having QBs get rid of the ball quicker, which places less importance on pass rushers and more on elite CBs.

One could also argue that with Kerrigan and Sweat focused exclusively on rushing the passer, we might be better suited (overall) as a team to add an elite corner than to add Young (moving Kerrigan to the bench) and having a weak CB.

I think there are good arguments to be had on both sides, but my point is, our team, overall, might be better off with Okudah and 2 other first round picks than with adding Chase Young and moving Kerrigan to the bench.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1243856]I will also add that the skins are supposedly very high on the CB Okudah. Burgundy blog also posted a link to an article saying how the NFL is combatting the pass rush by having QBs get rid of the ball quicker, which places less importance on pass rushers and more on elite CBs.

[B]One could also argue that with Kerrigan and Sweat focused exclusively on rushing the passer, we might be better suited (overall) as a team to add an elite corner than to add Young (moving Kerrigan to the bench) and having a weak CB.
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I think there are good arguments to be had on both sides, but my point is, our team, overall, might be better off with Okudah and 2 other first round picks than with adding Chase Young and moving Kerrigan to the bench.[/quote]

That is the biggest nope from me that I can muster

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1243864]That is the biggest nope from me that I can muster[/quote]


So you think a starting lineup of
[I]Young + Sweat + shitty CBs [/I]

is better than

[I]Kerrigan + Sweat + Okudah + 2 additional first round picks[/I]

At this point, i would whole-heartedly disagree. I think our team is better off with a very good pass rush and elite secondary play than with an elite pass rush and absolutely shitty secondary play. Overall, we're starting a more competitive roster.

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This is a fairly deep QB class with as many as 4 to 5 QB first round picks. Jordan Love is impressing at this weeks senior bowl practices and has moved up into the the top 4 or 5 qb’s in this draft and a possible first round pick.
I am not sure teams will sell the farm on a franchise QB with a broken hip when there Is a good graduating class of QB’s.
I think two recent QB draft classes may change how GM’s over value QB’s
Patrick Mahomes was rated the second or third best QB in his class, was drafted 10th and is now in the Super Bowl and a top NFL QB.
Lamar Jackson was drafted 32nd in 2018 and is all world.
This might slow the roll of the Tua or bust crazy talk.
Plus we have seen the experience of drafting a heralded QB on one the best college teams. Does not always turn out great. Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson did not play at Alabama, LSU or Ohio’s State.

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I think you take Young and get a couple or corners in FA. Norman and Moreau suck and have to go. Dunbar will never stay healthy so you have to get a corner or two in FA and also in the mid rounds.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1243864]That is the biggest nope from me that I can muster[/quote]

Kerrigan needs to be regulated to "paying customer" he looks done.

I mean done is done in my book

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1243865]So you think a starting lineup of
[I]Young + Sweat + shitty CBs [/I]

is better than

[I]Kerrigan + Sweat + Okudah + 2 additional first round picks[/I]

At this point, i would whole-heartedly disagree. I think our team is better off with a very good pass rush and elite secondary play than with an elite pass rush and absolutely shitty secondary play. Overall, we're starting a more competitive roster.[/quote]

A) No guarantee we get Okudah in the draft in this scenario
and
B) I think an Elite level pass rush >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An Elite corner

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No chance Rivera passes on a premium pass rusher for a corner.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1243865]So you think a starting lineup of
[I]Young + Sweat + shitty CBs [/I]

is better than

[I]Kerrigan + Sweat + Okudah + 2 additional first round picks[/I]

At this point, i would whole-heartedly disagree. I think our team is better off with a very good pass rush and elite secondary play than with an elite pass rush and absolutely shitty secondary play. Overall, we're starting a more competitive roster.[/quote]

Problem is you assume we can't solve the 'shitty CB' problem. We can. We have $60M in cap space. So we can fill holes in free agency. My point being you can't assume 'shitty CBs' will be part of the Week 1 roster under either scenario. A potential trade doesn't exist in a vacuum.

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[quote=MTK;1243877]No chance Rivera passes on a premium pass rusher for a corner.


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Agree. The media is starting to realize that they'll have nothing to talk about if they continue to assume Chase Young is a lock to be a Redskin. But that's what it is.

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[quote=Schneed10;1243878]Problem is you assume we can't solve the 'shitty CB' problem. We can. We have $60M in cap space. So we can fill holes in free agency. My point being you can't assume 'shitty CBs' will be part of the Week 1 roster under either scenario. A potential trade doesn't exist in a vacuum.[/quote]

By the same token, we could fill pass rusher in free agency.

The idea that Young is automatically better that an Elite LB/CB/WR/OT + 2 more first round players is moronic.

So many Skins fans have zeroed in on drafting Young no matter what and this defies all logic and reason. Sure, Chase Young could be Nic Bosa. But with 3 first round picks, we could get the next Richard Sherman, Luke Kuechly, and Cam Jordan.

It all comes down to how Kyle Smith and Ron Rivera evaluate the talent in this draft and i guarantee you they have not zeroed in on Young as a "must draft at all costs" player at this point.

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I think Isaiah Simmons (LB) or Andrew Thomas (OT)is more of an critical position upgrade than Ohio State’s Okudah at CB. The EDGE position is one of the most important positions on the defense. The OT can protect the QB -important. The LB position often is the Captain of the defense and usually has the most tackles on the team - important. The CB can move around to guard (man-to-man) the elite WR #1. That elite WR can rip your team apart, like DeSean Jackson did us in the first Eagles game. But you can also get a very good to elite CB in FA. CB is a

The important part of any trade-down is that the first rounder has to be low enough to get you an elite player in a critical position. CB is important but just part of the DB crew. Not near as critical as Edge or MLB. These articles on Okudah are just space fillers. We either trade-down to get an important position with a first round pick 10 or under that gets the Redskins like premium OT or MLB, PLUS also getting a couple other first rounders or every pick OR this big trade will not happen.




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Make me blush is an expression i have used before in life when it came to making deals . I'm black so do you know how hard it is to make me blush and for you to be able to see it. Yeah that's the kind of deal i want otherwise take CY and have the potential to have a KILLER DLine.

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[quote=Warthog;1243896]I think Isaiah Simmons (LB) or Andrew Thomas (OT)is more of an critical position upgrade than Ohio State’s Okudah at CB. The EDGE position is one of the most important positions on the defense. The OT can protect the QB -important. The LB position often is the Captain of the defense and usually has the most tackles on the team - important. The CB can move around to guard (man-to-man) the elite WR #1. That elite WR can rip your team apart, like DeSean Jackson did us in the first Eagles game. But you can also get a very good to elite CB in FA. CB is a

The important part of any trade-down is that the first rounder has to be low enough to get you an elite player in a critical position. CB is important but just part of the DB crew. Not near as critical as Edge or MLB. These articles on Okudah are just space fillers. We either trade-down to get an important position with a first round pick 10 or under that gets the Redskins like premium OT or MLB, PLUS also getting a couple other first rounders or every pick OR this big trade will not happen.




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I mean, desean Jackson ripped us apart in the first game cuz we couldn't sack Wentz, and we also had players missing assignments due to shitty halftime adjustments and coaching. Sometimes it doesn't matter how elite the CB is...

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[QUOTE=Meks;1243901]I mean, desean Jackson ripped us apart in the first game cuz we couldn't sack Wentz, and we also had players missing assignments due to shitty halftime adjustments and coaching. Sometimes it doesn't matter how elite the CB is...[/QUOTE]



I agree 100%. Part of the problem was Norman was playing and he’s lost more than a step or two, he lacked motivation and just basically sucked this year. The defense improved as soon as he was benched. Second problem was Greg Manusky’s defensive schemes which were confusing, complicated and DID NOT WORK. Gruden was also coaching and he never could motivate the team and had the WORST halftime adjustments I’ve ever seen. He was the exact opposite of Gibbs at halftime. Finally, DeSean wanted revenge because Bruce Allen dumped him after he had a 1,000 TD season with us - Bruce never made a even a single call or an offer to DeSean’s agent!! Bruce really knew how to napalm bridges when people moved on.

Having Chase Young charge inward will put huge pressure on the passer and will make all the CBs and DBs look better! I mean it has been so depressing over the last two decades to watch our general lack of a pass rush. We’ve had maybe one edge rusher who was decent, but we’ve never had an elite pass rush from both sides, without having to blitz. This last season we did have some sacks -46 and were 11th in the NFL. Unfortunately, the sacks didn’t help since our defense was 27th in the league. I think with a new HC and DC we’ll see a huge improvement in the defense whether we take Chase or trade down and end up with Simmons at LB.

I want Chase but there is a small possibility the Redskins might be offered a monster trade. When Tua and maybe Herbert do extremely well in the combine/college day some teams may shoot for the moon at QB. However, a big trade down will only happen if we still get an elite pick at an impact position. That doesn’t include CB, no matter how good Okudah is.


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