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[quote=skinsfaninok;1260368]Honestly he’s been pretty good for us, he should have had a td today if it wasn’t for a horrible pass[/quote]

4 for 31
4 for 26
4 for 37

not exactly "pretty good" and his lone TD was a blown coverage. Under no circumstance should he be leading the team in targets

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Haskins is the worst starting QB in the league ... IF RR does not yank him then RR is not the answer either ... it will tell us that ole Danny boy still is making football decisions..

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I think Meks just meant that cancer and coaching are unrelated....like just because he is sick doesn’t mean you give him a pass. If he is healthy enough to be there than he is healthy enough to call a timeout. I hope that is what he meant. If it is than I totally agree. Anyway The way it came across sounded more cold hearted than I think he meant it....

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I do want to see us try and get Gibson more in a rhythm with more carries, it seems like every time he starts to get a groove, he gets no more carries the rest of the way.

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Every INT he threw today he had a clean pocket

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Turner did a good job today, he used a ton of motion, Terry was open on 2 throws and 1 for a TD.. The OL played their best game, the RBs fight for every yard.. Inman ran good routes today as well, his 2nd TD was a Dime by Haskins...

2 real good throws today

7-8 real bad ones

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1260398]Turner did a good job today, he used a ton of motion, Terry was open on 2 throws and 1 for a TD.. The OL played their best game, the RBs fight for every yard.. Inman ran good routes today as well, his 2nd TD was a Dime by Haskins...

2 real good throws today

7-8 real bad ones[/quote]

So his standard ratio of good to dogshit? Got it.

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I want to see more Isiah Wright and AGG, I like what I saw. They are providing Haskins with more weapons to help him out, I want to also see Cam Sims being used as a WR.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1260399]So his standard ratio of good to dogshit? Got it.[/quote]

Yeah it was bad man, he's just not very good.. Mechanics are awful and it starts with his feet

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1260400]I want to see more Isiah Wright and AGG, I like what I saw. They are providing Haskins with more weapons to help him out, I want to also see Cam Sims being used as a WR.[/quote]

Wright looked good, as did the OL for the most part.. Encouraging

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1260328]They’ll drop at least 30 on us we’ll be lucky to score anything over 14


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It will be 48-9 and only because they take their foot off the gas. They crushed the team that just hung 34 points on us.


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Three games into the season, and they are in 1st place...Glass half full for me. LOTS to improve on, but this division is garbage...and they could easily win it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1260305]You should see growth. Staring down receivers, missing high, limited touch, etc.

For someone with such a strong arm, he doesn’t get the ball down field well.[/quote]

Haskins' mechanics or lack will be the death of him if he doesn't clean it up. The staring down of receivers can be taken care of or lessened, but the shoddy mechanics could be something which is tougher to clear up or minimize.

I'm definitely pulling for Haskins, but I'm sort of wary at the moment.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1260298]Rivera teaching the team how to be quitters back to back weeks. If he isn't going to try, why the fuck should I care about watching and supporting the team?

Another year of suck.[/quote]


I believe the NFC East is gonna suck, so let's play to win. Rivera basically "quitting" the last two weeks doesn't sit well with me. If they're attempting to concede the season, then say so and save many of us the time.

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[quote=mooby;1260335]I should know better than to come in here with the knee-jerk reaction yet here I am.

Haskins is terrible, if it isn't obvious. All the progress he made at the end of last year has been wiped out. He just looks uncomfortable, like he's trying to learn how to play qb for the first time. Trying to do too much. The staring down guys thing - idk how it became an issue this week but if he keeps that up his leash will disappear.

At the same time we have to give him at least half the year if not the entire year to at least try and show some progress. If Allen was the answer, we wouldn't even have to ask this question. Rivera knows what he has in Allen.

Rivera - I just feel like he's treating these first 4 games like preseason since we didn't have one. It's why he keeps swapping out young guys and not calling timeouts at the end of the game. He already knows the weak spots on this team and I feel like he's just looking for progress. If he's still giving up when we're down by 11 in the second half of the season then I'll be seriously concerned. But for now I feel he's using these games to get a feel for the team. Or maybe the cancer treatments are affecting his judgement? Not sure but he absolutely has a long leash, certainly longer than Haskins. You guys giving up on him 3 games in are taking the easy route.[/quote]

Agreed. I think Haskins can improve but I'm beginning to think he just won't. Beginning to remind me to much of Ramsey.

But we're not the worst. Falcons don't want to win, Eagles and Giants don't know how to, Dallas can't decide. This season is becoming a 16 game preseason for next year now, for us and a few more out there.

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Collins is pure trash. You can bench him too.

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Ron isn't worried about wins. He has already shown that the last two weeks. He said he is " developing his team." Idk.. I think it shows a loser mentality. Look at yesterday. The Bears came back. The Rams were down 28-3 and should have won their game if not for a tricky tack call on 4th down. I thought Ron was better than this.

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The worst thing about this game is we had the lead entering the 4th quarter.

Despite 4 (statistically 5 but the fumble at the end of the second half doesn't count IMO) turnovers we should have had a chance in this game.

That makes not calling TO even worst. Having a shot while losing the turnovers battle 4-0 is rare.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1260412]Ron isn't worried about wins. He has already shown that the last two weeks. He said he is " developing his team." Idk.. I think it shows a loser mentality. Look at yesterday. The Bears came back. The Rams were down 28-3 and should have won their game if not for a tricky tack call on 4th down. I thought Ron was better than this.[/quote]

I'm 100% behind Ron except for the misguided throwing in the towel mentality he has shown in the past two games. I don't think it's good for anybody. If he were to do that at home with fans in the stands I believe he would be loudly booed.

If this continues I think it could become a competition issue for the league. If Ron were to run up the white flag late in the season when playing a team that was in a tight race for a playoff spot, the other team(s) in that race would probably scream bloody murder. But a win or loss counts as much now as it does late in the season. The somnolent league office might just wake up soon and do something about it.

This is an issue for the team owner to address with Ron, IMO. This is bad policy and it should be stopped immediately.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1260405]Three games into the season, and they are in 1st place...Glass half full for me. LOTS to improve on, but this division is garbage...and they could easily win it.[/QUOTE]



Idk Dallas may have the same record but lost two close games to two very good teams. They are a ten win team no doubt. We are going to be lucky to win 5. I don’t think we have a chance in hell to win it....

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I just don’t understand the impulse to just stop playing for a miracle win. Even though the stats for a last-minute win are 100-1, playing to the last second is great practice for when the game CAN be won in the last seconds.


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People seem to forget that Rivera was almost run out of town in Carolina for being ultra conservative.

He didn't become "Riverboat Ron" out of choice, he did it to keep his job.

I think what we are seeing now is the real Rivera.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1260417]Idk Dallas may have the same record but lost two close games to two very good teams. They are a ten win team no doubt. We are going to be lucky to win 5. I don’t think we have a chance in hell to win it....[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I thought we might be a .500 team, but now I agree that we’ll be lucky to win 4-6 games. Mostly against anemic teams in the NFC East. A team is heavily dependent on good or great QB play. Haskin’s is playing in a highly inconsistent mode, but near the bottom of the NFL QB’s. If he improves we may have a chance to win a couple games. But team’s know his Achille’s Heal - he occasionally reverts to starring down his WR or throwing high. They’ll have a high DB and looking for his stare downs. Unless he improves quickly, he’s going to get a couple INT per game..


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Couple things about the game not named Haskins

1. I thought Oline was better as a unit, didn’t miss Schreff. Geron gave up strip sack and Roullier, Martin got blown up 1 or twice, but saw improvement.

2. Isiah Wright flashed. Gibson flashed.

3. Payne, Sweat, Jonathan Allen and Settle were good up front.

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Sweat looked really good

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260424]Couple things about the game not named Haskins



1. I thought Oline was better as a unit, didn’t miss Schreff. Geron gave up strip sack and Roullier, Martin got blown up 1 or twice, but saw improvement.



2. Isiah Wright flashed. Gibson flashed.



3. Payne, Sweat, Jonathan Allen and Settle were good up front.[/QUOTE]Agreed, Schweitzer looked good too IMO.

+

Oline being overall decent, Schweitzer looking good
Dline
Coverage throughout the game was good, couple of coverage sacks
Wright
Inman
Run blocking by the receivers
McKissick
Turner's playcalling

-

Apke still is taking awful angles
Some missed tackles
Haskins made too much mistakes for this team to overcome, despite making some nice plays too

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Let's not get carried away with Sweat's performance against a rookie LT.

:stop:

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[QUOTE=MTK;1260425]Sweat looked really good[/QUOTE]


Sweat looked GREAT after Young left with a groin injury. Payne and Allen had some exciting moments. When Young is back in, the defense will improve. Big problem was the defense was on the field far too long.


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Grades are in from yesterday.

Few notable ones to mention.

OFFENSE :


3 O lineman were in the top 5 of grades.

Terry had a 76 Overall grade again in the top 5 as usual.

Wright had a good day as well.

Haskins had the worst game of his career, finishing with a 29.2 overall grade and 33 passing grade.. BRUTAL

On DEFENSE

Apke had his best game with a 71.1 grade good for 5th on the defense yesterday.

Sweat , Allen , Curl and Settle were the other 4 in the top 5.

Curl is good

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[quote=davy;1260428]Let's not get carried away with Sweat's performance against a rookie LT.

:stop:[/quote]

It's not just yesterday he's looked much improved this season overall

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I dont care what the numbers say, our D gave up 34 points to the freakin Browns. By comparison Baltimore (a real D) held them to 6, and Cincy gave up the same. Is anyone else concerned that our problem lies on both sides of the ball?

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For the season so far, Sweat has been solid and improved from last yr

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Tim Settle is a highly underrated player. When he plays, u see his impact. He was playing in the backfield whenever he was in.

Curl is having a great start

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[quote=punch it in;1260435]I dont care what the numbers say, our D gave up 34 points to the freakin Browns. By comparison Baltimore (a real D) held them to 6, and Cincy gave up the same. Is anyone else concerned that our problem lies on both sides of the ball?[/quote]

Short fields and the offense can’t stay in the field

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You can't blame the D when your QB gives them 3 possessions inside the 50

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So it’s fair to say that by giving up with 5 minutes to go .. that every single player out there is being disrespected.. if I were a player I would go to RR and demand a legit reason for this line of thinking and if coach told me it’s to protect from injuries then I would look him in the eye and say what about my career and my risk being out there and you the head coach are giving up ...
I was a huge supporter of the Hire but now I believe that Ron should take a leave and deal with his health issues and JDR should step into head coach role .. Down 11 with 5 minutes to go and let the clock run out ??? In a pro league that’s unacceptable.. you will lose the team quick this way .. I predicted a 2 -14 season and it’s looking damn good chance that’s where we are headed .. it’s even worse than I thought it would be ..now the head coach is a issue .. I pray for RR to be healthy and his health is more important than his job situation.. take care of that first ! There are a lot of people who are saying the treatment he is receiving (chemotherapy) can have bad side effects that cloud your thinking .. experts agree to this .. something is wrong ..

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[quote=davy;1260428]Let's not get carried away with Sweat's performance against a rookie LT.

:stop:[/quote]

He did what he's supposed to do against inferior competition. Nothing wrong with giving him props for it.

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[quote=punch it in;1260435]I dont care what the numbers say, our D gave up 34 points to the freakin Browns. By comparison Baltimore (a real D) held them to 6, and Cincy gave up the same. Is anyone else concerned that our problem lies on both sides of the ball?[/quote]

They had 1 scoring drive that went over 42yds.

We had 3.

I think we know where the problem lies.

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[quote=davy;1260442]They had 1 scoring drive that went over 42yds.

We had 3.

I think we know where the problem lies.[/quote]

This

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[QUOTE=davy;1260442]They had 1 scoring drive that went over 42yds.



We had 3.



I think we know where the problem lies.[/QUOTE]



Im not saying our offense isn’t the main problem by a country mile. Lol. But our secondary and the middle of of our D is not good.