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[quote=Chico23231;1260423]This is something I’ve been thinking about too:

Scott Turner, continue to install your offense and focus on the development of ALL young offense players, not just Haskins.

We have an entire stable of young guys on the offense and we need to see who can be coached and grow within the system. Scott Turner, don’t hold back others growth in spite of Haskins. Installed the offense so everyone can grow together.[/quote]

This is the other aspect of it - if Dwayne keeps throwing picks the rest of the offense can't develop. You can't develop if you're not on the field.

So there does have to be some balance - Dwayne can't keep having games like today or you have to go to Kyle Allen or Alex Smith just so you can find out what you have in your young WRs and backs.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1260423]This is something I’ve been thinking about too:



Scott Turner, continue to install your offense and focus on the development of ALL young offense players, not just Haskins.



We have an entire stable of young guys on the offense and we need to see who can be coached and grow within the system. Scott Turner, don’t hold back others growth in spite of Haskins. Installed the offense so everyone can grow together.[/QUOTE]



So bench him if his piss poor play continues? Because how do you develop the rest of the offense without a quarterback? I agree with you 100 percent but it is tough to develop parts of a whole....
What Schneed said ^ put in Allen and see if he can at least manage a game to see what other parts we have....

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I may be in the minority here but I think there's a lot to like about Dwayne. Just have to keep in mind that he's very inexperienced. He needs to play through these struggles.

@AlGaldi
Josh Allen over his first 10 starts:
7 TDs vs. 11 INTs
6.37 yards per pass attempt
52.3 completion %

Dwayne Haskins over his first 10 starts:
11 TDs vs. 6 INTs
6.56 yards per pass attempt
58.2 completion %

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[quote=MTK;1260432]I may be in the minority here but I think there's a lot to like about Dwayne. Just have to keep in mind that he's very inexperienced. He needs to play through these struggles.

@AlGaldi
Josh Allen over his first 10 starts:
7 TDs vs. 11 INTs
6.37 yards per pass attempt
52.3 completion %

Dwayne Haskins over his first 10 starts:
11 TDs vs. 6 INTs
6.56 yards per pass attempt
58.2 completion %[/quote]


Plus DH only started 14 games at OSU. That's not even a full pro season. He's very raw, hopefully he can develop.

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Allen was mature and got with the right QB trainers this off season.. He also showed great potential last yr for the Bills.. I agree that Haskins is still very raw and needs the reps but if he's straight garbage and costing the team games in a very winnable division, you have to pull the plug. Unless of course you are openly tanking

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Even a pre-injury Alex Smith would struggle to win 8 games with this team, just not enough weapons. I don't see any benefit to pulling the plug on Dwayne unless he's just a total disaster, and really yesterday was a little out of the ordinary for him. He hasn't played that poorly with turnovers since early on last year.

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[quote=MTK;1260462]Even a pre-injury Alex Smith would struggle to win 8 games with this team, just not enough weapons. I don't see any benefit to pulling the plug on Dwayne unless he's just a total disaster, and really yesterday was a little out of the ordinary for him. He hasn't played that poorly with turnovers since early on last year.[/quote]

Haskins has rarely shown flashes of anything above being a top 15, top 20 QB but I agree that he is very inexperienced and once you account for that, he's played about as good as you can expect from him. We put in him a bad spot drafting him.

We don't have anyone else, including Alex, who is ready and able to do any better. I'd consider a trade for Trubisky just to give both QB's a better opportunity given Trubisky will be relegated to back up and Haskins needs to a backup behind someone like Alex or Foles for awhile.

Trade aside, you have to give Haskins 10 games. If he regresses, then give the ball to Kyle Allen the last 6 weeks and start to make a new plan for 2021.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1260475]Haskins has rarely shown flashes of anything above being a top 15, top 20 QB but I agree that he is very inexperienced and once you account for that, he's played about as good as you can expect from him. We put in him a bad spot drafting him.

We don't have anyone else, including Alex, who is ready and able to do any better. I'd consider a trade for Trubisky just to give both QB's a better opportunity given Trubisky will be relegated to back up and Haskins needs to a backup behind someone like Alex or Foles for awhile.

Trade aside, you have to give Haskins 10 games. If he regresses, then give the ball to Kyle Allen the last 6 weeks and start to make a new plan for 2021.[/quote]

Top 15?? You are being very generous lol. Haskins is bottom 2 right now since Mitch got benched.

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RR on Haskins " You are not a rookie anymore, we have to see progression not regression"

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[QUOTE=RedskinJake;1260475]Haskins has rarely shown flashes of anything above being a top 15, top 20 QB but I agree that he is very inexperienced and once you account for that, he's played about as good as you can expect from him. We put in him a bad spot drafting him.

We don't have anyone else, including Alex, who is ready and able to do any better. I'd consider a trade for Trubisky just to give both QB's a better opportunity given Trubisky will be relegated to back up and Haskins needs to a backup behind someone like Alex or Foles for awhile.

Trade aside, you have to give Haskins 10 games. If he regresses, then give the ball to Kyle Allen the last 6 weeks and start to make a new plan for 2021.[/QUOTE]


I disagree Alex Smith wouldn’t be better right now. No way. I know he isn’t thenQB of the future but in a game like yesterday’s he’s have given us a better chance to win.

The team has decided to give Haskins a shot to prove he’s the QB of the future and they’re being patient. But there surely has to be limits.

RR talks of being patient with Cam Newton. He threw too many picks his rookie season, but he also threw for > 4000 yards. See: [url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00/gamelog/2011/[/url]

His game - as a true rookie in a new offense - was better on every level. To be clear, I am not as much doing the comparison of two players as much as I am making the point that RR perhaps didn’t have his patience tested like DH is testing his patience because his rookie QB then showed real promise; more so than ours has to date.


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Trubisky?? LOL GTFO

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[quote=MTK;1260482]Trubisky?? LOL GTFO[/quote]

He's terrible too lol

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Haskins have a good press conference after the game. Broke down what happened on the ints.
[url]https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqGvaEzalzKB[/url]

He mentioned he is trying to do too much on long down situations and needs to sometimes look to the check down vs trying to get all the yardage.

1st int - 2nd and 25
2nd - 3rd and 7
3rd - 3rd and 15

I’m starting to wonder if he’s being told to look primary route then check down. Basically putting training wheels on him in regards to not letting him go through his progressions. He did seem to lock on to 1 route and then force it into coverage.

10 games he has started. He should get this season and if things get real real bad perhaps Allen finishes the last 2 games but he should get to play this season out. New offense, new players, pedestrian run game.

I think RR needs to be asked more about the run game imo.

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Haskins situation is tough. I believe on 1 hand, both for all the other players and the fans, the best players at any position that give you the best chance to win need to play. Anything less is disrespectful to said people. On the other hand, it's just a bit different with a young QB. Especially an inexperienced one. I say give Haskins 8-10 starts to see where he lands. If this is the normal performance, then put in Allen. The rest of the offense needs good work for 60 minutes, not getting that with Haskins. Every pass play makes me nervous. This is the NFL, that feeling shouldn't be a thing.

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I give him all of the games this season. Then you know where you stand with him and can adjust the franchise's QB plan accordingly for the long term.

THERE IS NO QB ON THIS ROSTER THAT IS SUDDENLY GOING TO MAKE US A PLAYOFF TEAM.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1260498]Haskins situation is tough. I believe on 1 hand, both for all the other players and the fans, the best players at any position that give you the best chance to win need to play. Anything less is disrespectful to said people. On the other hand, it's just a bit different with a young QB. Especially an inexperienced one. I say give Haskins 8-10 starts to see where he lands. If this is the normal performance, then put in Allen. The rest of the offense needs good work for 60 minutes, not getting that with Haskins. Every pass play makes me nervous. This is the NFL, that feeling shouldn't be a thing.[/quote]

Hell i think every pass play makes HIM nervous too

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Have to remember that RR didn't draft Haskins. So the rope isn't going to be too long. Fair or not that is the hand that DH has been dealt.

This is really Snyder's fault. You drafted a guy who was a project and Gruden didn't want him. Then you fire him, bring in RR who obviously didn't draft him.

Haskins isn't good but he has been put in a terrible position. It looks like he really shouldn't even be playing. Those rumors were correct that were coming out last year - that he needed two years on the bench. He is a slightly better version than Cardayle Jones.

It's only a matter of time before Ron benches him.

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[quote=mredskins;1260500]I give him all of the games this season. Then you know where you stand with him and can adjust the franchise's QB plan accordingly for the long term.

THERE IS NO QB ON THIS ROSTER THAT IS SUDDENLY GOING TO MAKE US A PLAYOFF TEAM.[/quote]

No way he gets the entire season. As Ron said it ain't fair to the other players when the QB is playing so poorly. You think it's fair to the other wr's who are playing with a guy who can't get the job done? He really should of had 4 picks but he got bailed out by Wright.

Allen can run the offense better. I have no question about that. He at least had some really good games last year.

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Allen doesn't have the arm talent but he's more accurate especially in the short-med range. No matter how u slice it, we will have a new QB next year unless somehow DH goes bananas the rest of the way

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[quote=Warthog;1260340]I have been a big supporter of Dwayne Haskins. I didn’t know if he’s the ONE, but I didn’t want to have him sit out his rookie season ( advocated by some). Following his first season, that ended in a good note - two very good final games, I thought he deserved a full test audition this season.

Haskins is very inconsistent, sometimes making laser passes to barely open receivers. Other times he is very inaccurate, missing wide open receivers.
His footwork is bad - even when there is no rush, he has “happy feet”, using his considerable arm strength to force passes downfield. His weak mechanics is much of the reason for his inaccurate throws. He seems at times to be playing tight - resulting in over-throwing the receivers often.

This game against Cleveland he got caught several times staring down receivers, resulting in INT. If Haskins QB play doesn’t improve soon, he will be eaten alive by really good defenses.

Of course, Haskins is not helped by a mediocre OL, and a weak WR group outside of McLaurin. I wonder how long Rivera is going to let Christian and Martin flounder before he attempts to try someone available in FA.

However, there were periods where he had good protection and open receivers/RB. He did well sometimes and other times he was inaccurate- missing his receiver or forcing them to make amazing catches. I think our offense could increase its stats by 20% if Dwayne could hit open guys, in stride.

With four turnovers, it is fair for fans to ask: how long do we keep playing Haskins? When have we seen enough?

I’d say by MID-SEASON would be the EARLIEST number of games before bringing in Allen or Alex Smith. You’ve got to let a young, inexperienced QB like Haskins have enough reps to test his meddle and learn the new offense. Maybe even 10 games. What do you think?

Remember, if you draft a QB in the first round you’ve got to give him enough games to prove himself. So I know there are ppl out there who want to dump Dwayne NOW. That’s too soon.

Topic: HOW MANY GAMES IS ENOUGH FOR DWAYNE HASKINS? Has the team given him enough support in terms of targets? Sure they brought in INMAN and Logan Thomas. But that’s about it. I was interested to see how HOOPER did for the Browns, since many of us had hoped the WFT would go for him in FA. The team has a ton of cap money - great for next year. IS THE OFFENSE GOOD ENOUGH TO PROPERLY TEST HASKINS?

My final thought is this: how could the Redskins draft a first round QB with such a low amount of inexperience? With significant problems with BASIC QB FUNDAMENTALS? A Pocket passer with big inaccuracy issues?? I see Snyder’s and Allen’s hands on this pick. Snyder likes players who were locals. When you draft a QB in the first round you want to winner. Someone who can do well enough in the first year to make you want to keep him. Haskins looks like PROJECT PLAYER who will need 1-2 seasons MORE to know if he’s a franchise QB. The NFL isn’t like that anymore. Sure Mahommes got to sit and learn behind Alex Smith. But most first round QB are thrown in the deep end from game 1. You get maybe two seasons max to prove yourself.

I think Haskins might be very good in 2-3 years. But this franchise doesn’t have 2-3 years. Furthermore, after 2-3 years Haskins may be a bust, like RG3, Jason Campbell, Shuler. BTW, historically most of those Redskin QB had 2-3 full seasons to prove themselves as FAILURES. That’s for all you that think the Haskin’s experiment should be over after 9 games. HOW MUCH TIME FOR HASKIN’s? Then who: Allen or Alex Smith?


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none of the QB's mentioned were as bad as haskins has been . . . if your are tanking the season (dumping players that could have helped (think AP, Davis, etc.), not calling time outs, etc.) , keep him in there . . . if not, its time to see what Allen can do . . .Allen sure looked a hell of a lot better last year in Carolina hand Haskins has here.

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Problem with Haskins is he isn’t showing growth. Bad feet, bad accuracy and no touch on his passes.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1260365]This..

Burrow is clearly a better player than Haskins. And it ain't even close.[/quote]

So is Herbert!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1260488]He's terrible too lol[/quote]

Still quite a bit better than Haskins!

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[quote=Chico23231;1260519]Problem with Haskins is he isn’t showing growth. Bad feet, bad accuracy and no touch on his passes.[/quote]

just the opposite . . . he is shrinking

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1260512]No way he gets the entire season. As Ron said it ain't fair to the other players when the QB is playing so poorly. You think it's fair to the other wr's who are playing with a guy who can't get the job done? He really should of had 4 picks but he got bailed out by Wright.



Allen can run the offense better. I have no question about that. He at least had some really good games last year.[/QUOTE]



I agree but Ron should stfu about being fair to his players when he is throwing in the towel like a lil bitch....

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[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;1260520]So is Herbert![/QUOTE]



So is every other first round qb taken in the last 2-3 years....
Douche Snyder strikes again

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[quote=punch it in;1260527]I agree but Ron should stfu about being fair to his players when he is throwing in the towel like a lil bitch....[/quote]

You know, that shit he is doing at the end of games has a quitters mentality. I don't like it at all. It's weak and sends a bad message.

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[quote=punch it in;1260528]So is every other first round qb taken in the last 2-3 years....
Douche Snyder strikes again[/quote]

lol . . . so is pretty much every other QB drafted that has started . . . EVER

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I don't think Haskins is Patrick Ramsey bad but it may get there

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[url]https://sports.yahoo.com/ron-rivera-puts-dwayne-haskins-on-notice-one-day-after-sounding-supportive-163314427.html[/url]

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Anytime the head coach comes out and says "There is a cut off point" with his QB, you know the dude just isn't getting better. Same situation in Chicago happened and they were 2-0 at the time... If a QB isn't good in todays pass friendly league that's a bad sign lol

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1260419]I can't handle the naked truth![/quote]

You want me on that wall. You [B]need[/B] me on that wall!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1260534]I don't think Haskins is Patrick Ramsey bad but it may get there[/quote]

??? Patrick Ramsey was far better than Haskins has been. Hell Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerffel was too for that matter.

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Keep him in all 16 games.

He came in late last season on an already-sunk ship.

This year is not going to be a win-now year and Rivera never approached it this way. If it were, we'd still have Peterson.

Let Haskins learn as much as he can...and that means learn from mistakes. He has all of the physical capabilities to be an NFL QB. His issue is in his head. This can be fixed.

Yesterday he stared down receivers and the defense made him pay for it. He and the coaches know what needs to be fixed.

Another thing that needs to be fixed is the offensive line. The sacks and fumbles aren't all on Dwayne.

We're in a full tear-down and rebuild mode. Don't expect it to be pretty on day 1.

I'm trusting our new coach to being the team back to success, but it can't be done overnight. He needs to see if Haskins is his guy or not. He might be, but we'll never find out by benching him now and destroying his career before it even gets started.

Don't forget, Peyton Manning looked like absolute trash in his rookie year, 56% comp rate with 28 INTs.

I'm not saying Haskins is Manning, but I also don't think he's one we should give up on yet. If he can eliminate his mental mistakes, he has the arm and physical attributes to be a great NFL QB. He and McLaurin could be very special together at the pro level, much like the connection they had in college.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1260512]No way he gets the entire season. As Ron said it ain't fair to the other players when the QB is playing so poorly. You think it's fair to the other wr's who are playing with a guy who can't get the job done? He really should of had 4 picks but he got bailed out by Wright.

Allen can run the offense better. I have no question about that. He at least had some really good games last year.[/quote]

That offense had Christian McCaffery.

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I'm late to the party as usual, but why would they not leave him in the whole season? Where are they going this year?

Rivera said in his post game conference yesterday that he had the same situation with Cam Newton and two years later he was league MVP.

I'm not say Haskins is Cam but give the kid a chance and let him take his lumps.

I think the problem lies with Turner so far. He needs to help him out with easier throws, quicker ones behind that shit O-Line.

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Haskins and Cam actually are quite similar with the exception that Can runs more.

Cam was also horrible for a few years, I remember the fans wanting them to cut him pretty early on. Even in his successful years, he wasn't the greatest passer. If you look at his passing stats, he's really only had about 3 decent seasons and 1 good one.

Haskins has a far superior arm than Cam. He just needs to learn how to use it at this level. Once he does, the throws he'll be making will be fun to watch.


And Dwayne probably won't look like a pineapple.

[img]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/req/20180910/images/headshots/NewtCa00_2020.jpg[/img]

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[quote=Monkeydad;1260561]Haskins and Cam actually are quite similar with the exception that Can runs more.

Cam was also horrible for a few years, I remember the fans wanting them to cut him pretty early on. Even in his successful years, he wasn't the greatest passer.

Haskins has a far superior arm than Cam. He just needs to learn how to use it at this level. Once he does, the throws he'll be making will be fun to watch.[/quote]

EXACTLY! Everyone needs to chill the hell out. :D

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Sorry but Cam was far better right off the bat, he threw for 4000 yards as a rookie. Dwayne has a long way to go.

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[quote=MTK;1260563]Sorry but Cam was far better right off the bat, he threw for 4000 yards as a rookie. Dwayne has a long way to go.[/quote]

And almost as many INTS as TDs.

You're right, he did have a decent rookie year, then had several years of garbage play. He had one of the biggest sophomore slumps. Later on, he even had a season where he completed 52%. That's unacceptable for an NFL QB. He's been a sub-60% passer most years, his value comes in his ability to run. Once that's gone, he's done for good.