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Got through the first 30 mins or so.

Joe should demand mic mutes so when a candidate has 2 mins, the other mic is muted.

Embarrassing display last night as a representation of America.

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The whole thing was embarrassing; in the 80s/90s that immature level of a debate would have only been seen on Monday Night Raw.

Biden even at times step pretty low.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1260798]The whole thing was embarrassing; in the 80s/90s that immature level of a debate would have only been seen on Monday Night Raw.



Biden even at times step pretty low.[/QUOTE]



I think Biden held his composure and tried to address the people and stick to the issues for the most part. I mean when ya got i guy talking over you and barking in ur ear it is hard to ignore it for that long.

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I feel like over the last few years we've gotten literally checking out the bark on the trees instead of viewing the entire forest.

Anyone supporting Trump, are you happy with your America right now?

Go back to the earliest time you can remember, tell me this isn't the lowest possible point in our country in your lifetime. I can certainly say that's the case right now. He is directly responsible for that. You could have a cardboard cut-out that's politically independent and the country would be in a better place right now. The minutiae of both sides is important, but I just cannot fathom this worship of this person.

Did you revere the Bushes like this? Reagan?

They've all had their faults, but can you honestly say Trump is better and the country is in better shape than when they were in office?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1260812]I feel like over the last few years we've gotten literally checking out the bark on the trees instead of viewing the entire forest.



Anyone supporting Trump, are you happy with your America right now?



Go back to the earliest time you can remember, tell me this isn't the lowest possible point in our country in your lifetime. I can certainly say that's the case right now. He is directly responsible for that. You could have a cardboard cut-out that's politically independent and the country would be in a better place right now. The minutiae of both sides is important, but I just cannot fathom this worship of this person.



Did you revere the Bushes like this? Reagan?



They've all had their faults, but can you honestly say Trump is better and the country is in better shape than when they were in office?[/QUOTE]



It. Is. A. Cult. Full. Stop.

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[quote=punch it in;1260801]I think Biden held his composure and tried to address the people and stick to the issues for the most part. I mean when ya got i guy talking over you and barking in ur ear it is hard to ignore it for that long.[/quote]

Biden was having trouble stringing together coherent responses. Sometimes it seemed like he would remember a talking point he forgot to mention then try to interject it when he was already seguing into a new topic or train of thought.

Trump gifted Biden by interrupting him. I dont think Biden could talk persuasively for more than 30 seconds and was having trouble with recall. If trump had let Biden talk, I imagine there would have been awkward silences and moments.

Trump has been on the bully pulpit for 4 years now so hes very comfortable just yammering on and on.

Biden was not comfortable up there but I imagien this helps him go into the next one more relaxed.

I only saw the first 30 mins or so. I was getting nothing from the "debate".

Did Trump let Biden talk uninterrupted in the second half?

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1260816]Biden was having trouble stringing together coherent responses. Sometimes it seemed like he would remember a talking point he forgot to mention then try to interject it when he was already seguing into a new topic or train of thought.



Trump gifted Biden by interrupting him. I dont think Biden could talk persuasively for more than 30 seconds and was having trouble with recall. If trump had let Biden talk, I imagine there would have been awkward silences and moments.



Trump has been on the bully pulpit for 4 years now so hes very comfortable just yammering on and on.



Biden was not comfortable up there but I imagien this helps him go into the next one more relaxed.



I only saw the first 30 mins or so. I was getting nothing from the "debate".



Did Trump let Biden talk uninterrupted in the second half?[/QUOTE]



I disagree. I think Trump rattled him by interrupting. Do i see this as a weakness? Not really. I see it as a ploy by Trump to not deal with the issues because he has no plan or valid response. To answer your question. No. It got worse.

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"got worse" .. holy shit thank goodness I bailed.

2012 Biden was much stronger imo.

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The fact that Trump wouldn't denounce white supremacy groups should lose him the election right there. I found that appalling.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1260818]"got worse" .. holy shit thank goodness I bailed.



2012 Biden was much stronger imo.[/QUOTE]



Debates are tough enough without some racist douche having a meltdown next to you. Do you think we were all shocked in that moment and Joe wasn’t?. I think Biden was trying to remain calm amidst the barking baby in his ear which was is what led to the few missteps. Plus since the right has no real conspiracy theories to go on with Biden except some nepotism which is laughable coming from the trump crime family they went in with the “he is incoherent rhetoric “ and so every time the guy even stumbles for a second it is amplified.

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[quote=Giantone;1260788]So what exactly do you think he means when he said this, "Proud boys stand back and stand by?"

[B]You're just pissed because trump came off looking every bit the orange faced clown we all know he is.[/quote]
[/B]

Look at all my posts above this one. I have no problem criticizing Trump, but you're unreasonable. You can't have an honest conversation because of your acute TDS.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1260823][/B]



Look at all my posts above this one. I have no problem criticizing Trump, but you're unreasonable. You can't have an honest conversation because of your acute TDS.[/QUOTE]



Some would say Trump has done more than enough wrong (where to even begin) to warrant extreme criticism.
Always comes back to this. Is it a right vs left thing? A dem vs republican thing? A policy thing? Nah. I doubt G one or any other dem ever had a problem with any other republican to this extent. And for damn good reason. He is threatening our democracy in plain sight man. He is inciting racial divide. He is lying every day about his taxes, and a global pandemic. He makes fun of handicapped people. Literally that is the tip of the iceberg with this clown. I mean it isn’t maybe anymore....

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[quote=punch it in;1260825]Some would say Trump has done more than enough wrong (where to even begin) to warrant extreme criticism.[/quote]

Blaming Trump 100% for leftist groups such as Antifa burning down streets and rioting is disingenuous. It's just not reasonable. There is a difference between criticism and putting your fingers in your ears and yelling at Trump clouds.

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I expect to hear how nonsensical or trivial those things are from the usual suspects because they have already been normalized.

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If I was a debate coach, Trump would have done the 100% exact opposite of what I would have said to do. He is incapable of being quiet.

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[quote=punch it in;1260821]Debates are tough enough without some racist douche having a meltdown next to you. Do you think we were all shocked in that moment and Joe wasn’t?. I think Biden was trying to remain calm amidst the barking baby in his ear which was is what led to the few missteps. Plus since the right has no real conspiracy theories to go on with Biden except some nepotism which is laughable coming from the trump crime family they went in with the “he is incoherent rhetoric “ and so every time the guy even stumbles for a second it is amplified.[/quote]

If youve been in the Senate and VP for 2 successful campaigns .. debating should not be tough in terms of:

- pacing yourself

- book ending your comments/main points,

- laying out short road maps for the listeners on where you are going ("With COVID, I would have done 2 things differently, first I would have ..." . Biden did try to do this but never got past 1

- Speaking directly to the viewers at home, which Biden did a bit

- most importantly, when Biden had his 2 mins, he should have started off with something like 'I hope I can talk to you the American people and families at home watching and not be interrupted because I want to tell you who I am and what I hope to achieve for all Americans .. blah blah blah"

- next 2 mins (after Trump keeps interrupting you) ... start with 'Amercians back home, this is not how a Presidential debate for the United States of America should be done. We must hold ourselves to maintaining the respect, civility and honor that our country has shown at home and abroad. This farce of a debate shown by my opponent is the same farce that he has been perpetrating on the office of the POTUS and our country for the last 4 long painful years"

Dont try to start with laying out your platform in response to the question (trump will never let you get 2 sentences in), paint Trump in a box as an interupter first, then try to get to platform talk. If Trump interupts after that ... he is proving your point. I think even trump would get it after a while.

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Plaintiff atty speaking the jury in closing:

"ladies and gentlemen of the jury, thank you for your time and service with my client's case. We trust you to make the right decision and have tried to present you with all the facts and evidence we could so you could make a full and fair determination. We trust that you, as a jury and collection of intelligent and fair people, can decide what evidence is important.

The defense has tried to keep certain information from you. By my count, the defense attorney has objected 37 times in this case."

Defense atty:

"OBJECTION!" as he jumps to his feet, realizing his error the second the word left his mouth.

(to be fair, jurors are instructed to not take anything from whether an atty objects in a case ... so while his objection is a fair one, the damage is done)

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Most of all last night proved Trump is just a really, really, really shitty human being. But we already knew that. He’s not a leader or an example anyone would want their kids to look up to. So how is this vote even a question? He’s the worst of all of us.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1260826]Blaming Trump 100% for leftist groups such as Antifa burning down streets and rioting is disingenuous. It's just not reasonable. There is a difference between criticism and putting your fingers in your ears and yelling at Trump clouds.[/QUOTE]



Lol. Few bad apples involved with protests just like a few bad apples involved in the police force. Difference SD is that Trumps rhetoric is too blame. It started in Charlotte with fine people on both sides and has continued right up until last night with telling the actual terrorists like the whatever boys to stand pat. Biden on the other hand has never once condoned riots or violence of any kind. Not once.

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[quote=punch it in;1260831]Lol. Few bad apples involved with protests just like a few bad apples involved in the police force. Difference SD is that Trumps rhetoric is too blame. It started in Charlotte with fine people on both sides and has continued right up until last night with telling the actual terrorists like the whatever boys to stand pat. Biden on the other hand has never once condoned riots or violence of any kind. Not once.[/quote]

I don't know who the proud boys are, and I'm glad for that, but that is the worst name ever for a group. WTF?

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[quote=MTK;1260830]Most of all last night proved Trump is just a really, really, really shitty human being. But we already knew that. He’s not a leader or an example anyone would want their kids to look up to. So how is this vote even a question? He’s the worst of all of us.[/quote]

He is not a leader. Like if he was the QB at least half the team would hate him. And the things he messes up are so controllable. Like shutting the fuck up and denouncing racism as examples, those are both easy as pie. Takes no effort.

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[quote=punch it in;1260831]Lol. Few bad apples involved with protests just like a few bad apples involved in the police force. Difference SD is that Trumps rhetoric is too blame. It started in Charlotte with fine people on both sides and has continued right up until last night with telling the actual terrorists like the whatever boys to stand pat. Biden on the other hand has never once condoned riots or violence of any kind. Not once.[/quote]

Punch, if memory serves, the riots in Minneapolis started before Trump really even said anything about Floyd. Again, there is a difference between criticizing him as part of the problem and absolving everyone else, including the actual person starting a fire, etc., and blaming it all on Trump.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1260832]I don't know who the proud boys are, and I'm glad for that, but that is the worst name ever for a group. WTF?[/quote]

That doesnt pass the smell test. Sorry.

For that to be true, you would have to completely not follow news and politics.

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[quote=SunnySide;1260835]That doesnt pass the smell test. Sorry.

For that to be true, you would have to completely not follow news and politics.[/quote]

Smell away my man. Why would I lie about that? Maybe I've heard the name before and didn't commit it to memory.

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Last night was a shitshow.

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[quote=Chico23231;1260840]Last night was a shitshow.[/quote]

.............................that you think trump won .

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[quote=Giantone;1260842].............................that you think trump won .[/quote]

I do. Sure his demeanor was bad and what he says gets amplified, but Joe was horrible. Joe has lied terrible about his positions..

first he says ban fracking in primary...now he says he doesn’t. Just watch the clip online when he says he will ban fracking

He claims green new deal he doesn’t support...on his website right now he claims support and views it as important to policy. Harris was a sponser of the senate bill.

Claims antifa doesn’t exist last night....

refuses to say he will not pack the court.

Repeats lies about green energy claims and job creation. Folks google the Obama policy on 5 million green jobs (hint it was an overwhelming failure).

Claims Obamacare is successful....wrong period. Obamacare failed immensely...has not done what it was created for.

Claims police group support...can’t name one (they don’t)

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[quote=punch it in;1260786]I thought Biden was pretty clear about the jobs created by renewable energy. As clear as he could be with a guy having a temper tantrum next to him.[/quote]

No you are right he did do a good job explaining that renewable energy is a job creator but he missed an opportunity when addressing nonrenewables. To me a debate should be about expanding the vote. He stated under his administration no new coal or oil fired power plants will be created, which is fine but he should have continued that nonrenewables are too valuable to waste on single use production such as energy. We have other resources we can use for electrical and transportation for that matter and we need those resources for more long term production such as manufacturing. Coal can be used in photovoltaic cells, petroleum has obvious uses outside of energy.

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[quote=Chico23231;1260844]I do. Sure his demeanor was bad and what he says gets amplified, but Joe was horrible. Joe has lied terrible about his positions..

first he says ban fracking in primary...now he says he doesn’t. Just watch the clip online when he says he will ban fracking

He claims green new deal he doesn’t support...on his website right now he claims support and views it as important to policy. Harris was a sponser of the senate bill.

1)Claims antifa doesn’t exist last night....
Can you prove it does?

2)refuses to say he will not pack the court.

Let's wait and see about this pick

3)Repeats lies about green energy claims and job creation. Folks google the Obama policy on 5 million green jobs (hint it was an overwhelming failure).



LOL, he did a decent job on this , you just won't admit it.


4)Claims Obamacare is successful....wrong period. Obamacare failed immensely...has not done what it was created for.

Wrong again, it was but did need to be adjusted but it was working till trump destroyed it.

5)Claims police group support...can’t name one (they don’t)[/quote]

Some do and more important 200 Retired Generals and Admirals and over 300 People from different Security Agencies all signed a letter of support for Biden. trump has none.

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Not Joe's best night for sure. For all of the talk from him about how he knew how to handle a bully, he sure didn't show it last night.

Joe's only responses were "Oh, Come on", or putting his head down and closing his eyes. He would occasionally interject "Can you shut up".

We knew Trump was going to be Trump, and he behaved exactly as expected. Let's be clear, even with Chris Wallace being biased to Biden, he still did a terrible job. Chris Wallace sucks.

I am a Biden supporter, but last night he looked old and weak. He also blatantly lied about two things that i am personally aware of, that he did not want to shut down the USA again (100% completely and totally false, he already has talked about a plan of how / what he will shut down once he is inaugurated), and he lied big time when he said that he never objected to Trump shutting down incoming travel from China. I expect Trump to lie, but i was kind of taken aback that Biden had no issue lying. Again, they are politicians so they have to lie, but still.

One thing that concerns me, is Biden did very little to call out the violent protestors and terrorists that are burning the cities. My buddy told me afterward, that he could not do that, because if he did he would alienate a lot of his voters who are pro-anarchy / carnage, etc...

IF there is a second debate between the two, we need a more pro-Biden moderator, so that Biden gets more of a chance. I still to this day do not know why they don't just cut the microphones on someone so that they cannot interrupt, or when it is not their time to speak.

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He failed to condemn white supremacy.

He missed an open court layup.

All Joe had to do after that was stay awake.


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[quote=SolidSnake84;1260848]Not Joe's best night for sure. For all of the talk from him about how he knew how to handle a bully, he sure didn't show it last night.

Joe's only responses were "Oh, Come on", or putting his head down and closing his eyes. He would occasionally interject "Can you shut up".

We knew Trump was going to be Trump, and he behaved exactly as expected. Let's be clear, even with Chris Wallace being biased to Biden, he still did a terrible job. Chris Wallace sucks.

[B]I am a Biden supporter,[/B] but last night he looked old and weak. He also blatantly lied about two things that i am personally aware of, that he did not want to shut down the USA again (100% completely and totally false, he already has talked about a plan of how / what he will shut down once he is inaugurated), and he lied big time when he said that he never objected to Trump shutting down incoming travel from China. I expect Trump to lie, but i was kind of taken aback that Biden had no issue lying. Again, they are politicians so they have to lie, but still.

One thing that concerns me, is Biden did very little to call out the violent protestors and terrorists that are burning the cities. My buddy told me afterward, that he could not do that, because if he did he would alienate a lot of his voters who are pro-anarchy / carnage, etc...

IF there is a second debate between the two, we need a more pro-Biden moderator, so that Biden gets more of a chance. I still to this day do not know why they don't just cut the microphones on someone so that they cannot interrupt, or when it is not their time to speak.[/quote]

That was the impression I took away from your post, thanks for confirming. Glad to have another member on Team Biden.

The thing I was most impressed with? How young and not senile and concise with his words Biden was.

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[quote=MTK;1260851]He failed to condemn white supremacy.

He missed an open court layup.

All Joe had to do after that was stay awake.


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This really can't be stated enough.

Wallace served him the easiest basket he'd ever make. All he had to do was say "I denounce racism, white supremacy, and any group which uses me or my words to incite violence in any form."

But much in the same way he was shit-talking Biden for losing the radicals on the law-and-order platform, he can't say it because he would lose the white supremacist vote if he denounced them. So he does the opposite, literally tells them to stand by, which [URL="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512"]they take as a complete endorsement[/URL]. Way to fucking go bigly.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1260847]Some do and more important 200 Retired Generals and Admirals and over 300 People from different Security Agencies all signed a letter of support for Biden. trump has none.[/QUOTE]


Trump is such a lying sack of shit. This is number 72,067.
Since yesterday.


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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1260846]No you are right he did do a good job explaining that renewable energy is a job creator but he missed an opportunity when addressing nonrenewables. To me a debate should be about expanding the vote. He stated under his administration no new coal or oil fired power plants will be created, which is fine but he should have continued that nonrenewables are too valuable to waste on single use production such as energy. We have other resources we can use for electrical and transportation for that matter and we need those resources for more long term production such as manufacturing. Coal can be used in photovoltaic cells, petroleum has obvious uses outside of energy.[/QUOTE]



Baltimore man you and I both know that he wasn’t getting all that out .... two minutes - loudmouth interjecting = 4 seconds.
You are obviously very passionate and knowledgeable about the environment which is awesome, and I agree that is all information that he should relay to his voters but there is no way in hell that was happening last night. Lol.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1260832]I don't know who the proud boys are, and I'm glad for that, but that is the worst name ever for a group. WTF?[/QUOTE]



It is terrible. Lol. Washington football team is better. Well it is less stupid.

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Debates are a waste of time as long as Trump is involved. Just give them both a half hour spot in prime time to explain their platforms. Over and done.


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I have to add in , on the spot fact checking! With trump it's a must!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1260826]Blaming Trump 100% for leftist groups such as Antifa burning down streets and rioting is disingenuous. It's just not reasonable. There is a difference between criticism and putting your fingers in your ears and yelling at Trump clouds.[/quote]

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/proud-boys-arrest-trump-stand-by-175248423.html[/url]


Proud Boys Member Arrested On Assault Charges After Trump Told Hate Group: 'Stand By'


A prominent member of the Proud Boys was arrested Wednesday in Portland, Oregon — less than a day after President Donald Trump publicly threw his support behind the hate group.

Alan James Swinney, 50, faces numerous charges, including felony assault and unlawful use of a weapon.

Video and photos show Swinney pointing a gun at protesters with his finger on the trigger during an Aug. 22 clash in Portland between far-right extremists and anti-fascist protesters. At the time, police did nothing.

But now, Swinney is being held in the Multnomah County Jail on six felony charges, including assault in the second degree and unlawful use of a weapon.

Though it wasn’t immediately clear if the arrest was connected to the Aug. 22 incident, Swinney also faces six misdemeanor charges including pointing a firearm at another person. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office did not immediately return a request for comment.



During the first presidential debate between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday night, Trump refused to condemn white supremacy and instead specifically endorsed the violent gang.

“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by,” Trump said.

Almost immediately, Proud Boys members began celebrating Trump’s apparent approval of their violent methods.

“Trump basically said to go fuck them up,” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys, said in a chat on the right-wing social media app Parler. “This makes me so happy.”

Swinney felt comfortable addressing his violent tactics in leaked chats provided to HuffPost in 2019.

“We’ll grow this group of patriots and we’ll never back down,” Swinney said in one of the chats. “If we win, it will make more patriots come to the next rally. We just need to go there and we’ll beat them. We’ll have enough to crush them at some point.”

Almost immediately, Proud Boys members began celebrating Trump’s apparent approval of their violent methods.

“Trump basically said to go fuck them up,” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys, said in a chat on the right-wing social media app Parler. “This makes me so happy.”

Swinney felt comfortable addressing his violent tactics in leaked chats provided to HuffPost in 2019.

“We’ll grow this group of patriots and we’ll never back down,” Swinney said in one of the chats. “If we win, it will make more patriots come to the next rally. We just need to go there and we’ll beat them. We’ll have enough to crush them at some point.”

When asked about his calls for violence, Swinney told HuffPost at the time that Proud Boys members are “warriors” and that “Choir boys don’t go up against people like [anti-fascists]. It takes a person with a certain type of mindset.”

Swinney’s bail has been set at more than $500,000, according to jail records.

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Nice clip of joe Biden interrupting Paul Ryan 82 times during the Vice President debate 2012.

Of course accompanied by clips of the media praising it.

Fucking typical. When the shoe is on the other foot, it’s fine. It’s “lively”

GTFO. Trump won the debate

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[quote=Chico23231;1260875]Nice clip of joe Biden interrupting Paul Ryan 82 times during the Vice President debate 2012.

Of course accompanied by clips of the media praising it.

Fucking typical. When the shoe is on the other foot, it’s fine. It’s “lively”

GTFO. Trump won the debate[/quote]

STFU, America lost the debate!